Senator Kristin Gillibrand Stereotypes Women in the Worst Way

Your hatred obscures anything you say. Attributing vile motives to people who disagree with you persuades no one. Get a healthier ego.

“Gillibrand and others don’t have to agree with us, but they could respect the thought process behind it instead of trying to paint us as heartless monsters who want to destroy and control women.”

Destroy women? No. Most on the left do not accuse conservatives of wanting to do that. But the assertion that conservatives *do* want to control women is valid. That is, they wish to restrict a woman’s choice concerning pregnancy, with some even saying that rape and the attendant pregnancy are God’s will and the woman (or child) should be forced to bear the conception to term. The rapist has more rights to force a woman to bear his children in many states than the woman has a right to say “no.” And prominent evangelical and conservative political voices assert this, trying at every step to make abortion totally illegal.

The fact is that the Scriptural support for saying that life at conception is “fully human” is sketchy at best. The Jews did not see the baby as being “alive” until it had drawn its first breath, the “breath of life.” So there is certainly room for disagreement.

Perhaps liberals have become so strident in response to the constant accusations by conservatives of being monsters and baby-killers. Conservatives have shown zero compassion toward women who have need of abortions in the last many years, even due to miscarriages. Some Catholic hospitals will not even call an ambulance to take a woman to a hospital that deals with miscarriages, preferring to see the woman die if the baby dies. Those policies are monstrous!

And the author does not admit that abortions have actually decreased, even in states where women’s health services are readily available and contraception is easily accessible. Abortion becomes rarer when the babies conceived are wanted.

So, the author may not wish to destroy women, but she does want to control them, to force them to abide by her own understanding of the matter instead of letting women decide for themselves. And that desire to control has the unfortunate effect of destroying women.

She is not assuming every woman thinks like she does, not at all, she’s just standing up for the freedom for each woman to choose for herself. Why is choice such a hard topic for conservatives? Leave the rest of us alone to do what we want with our own bodies, as long as it’s not hurting others. For a party constantly bleating about “personal responsibility” and “freedom”, they sure do love to control what others do, and it’s hypocrisy at maximum level.

The fact you accuse “the left” of this misinterpretation tells me you’re deep inside the right-wing bubble, believing their cartoonish view of what the left actually stands for. If Jesus were on Earth today, he’d be aligned with Democrats/the left, not in any way close to the gross hypocritical game the GOP has been playing for decades: anti-poor, anti-immigrant, anti-woman, hateful (anti-love), etc. One party wants to include everybody and wants everybody to be able to marry whom they love, and one wants to build walls to keep everyone (non-white and poor) away, and a small percentage in (white and rich).

I understand you and many others are against abortion. Fine, that’s your choice. But don’t in any way force that belief onto anyone else. It’s your choice alone, leave it at that.

You’re also painting “the other side” in unfair terms. Many of us would place the value of life above other values such as convenience or preventing suffering. That doesn’t mean that we want people to be proud of their abortions; it means that we understand God values human responsibility and freedom of choice as necessary and often uncomfortable companions. We recognize a God who tells us what is right, what is best, what to avoid, yet allows us to choose, even wrongly, because it is the nature of God to be invitational, not coercive. We think it is shortsighted to be more restrictive than that. We also recognize that people often are unaware of the consequences of their choices until they begin to live with those consequences. That is how we learn. God allows that, supports people in that enlightenment. So do we, and we are willing to sit with people in that often uncomfortable space of regret, to help them rebuild the life they choose differently now that they know what they didn’t know earlier. That is the incarnational ministry of Christ.

rtgmath, Stop issuing edicts to pro-life people and just admit you see nothing wrong with the gruesome, painful, hellish practice of dismembering a developing infant while alive. Until you face up to your own dark heart no one can take your ramblings about post-birth issues seriously.

Consider this: BEFORE I FORMED YOU IN THE WOMB I KNEW YOU. ~ Jeremiah 1:5

Your rape example is bogus.

There was a time rape was punishable by death. A crime has been committed and the perp should be hunted down and held accountable. But those who advocate infanticide always ignore the man and instead sentence the baby to Capital Punishment. Good is called evil and evil is called good in the unhappy world of the liberal.

You’re conflating false Christians {the Bible calls them wolves in sheeps’ clothing} with truly born-again Christians. Either you’re doing it deliberately or you’re ignorant of the difference.

Now, let’s cut through the rhetoric and address your “tough talk”. Are you basically saying you’d have no problem assisting an abortionist as he stabs a full-term infant in the back of the neck, then crushes the skull during the commission of a “partial birth abortion”? If not, stop promoting murder as a sterile procedure you wouldn’t mind being performed on your own child {the one you allowed to live that is}.

Ah, and there it is in your last paragraph. It’s not about babies to you, it’s about being holier than thou and making sure “liberals” are put in their place. Spare me.

Your cartoon version of what liberalism/the left stands for is why we’re so divided. That caricature viewpoint pushed by your favorite right-wing media bubble is so completely wrong, but I fear no matter what I say to convince you otherwise will just go in one ear and out the other. But here goes…

Just because liberals are tolerant and welcoming of others doesn’t mean we should be tolerant of those who are proudly ignorant, denying science and reality, and lying about others to make themselves feel holier than thou. As for forcing beliefs, whenever you support others who want to take away the rights of others, especially in the supposed name of god, then yes, that’s forcing your beliefs on others, instead of leaving others be and not judging them.

And this notion that the left “celebrates” killing babies is complete and utter horse excrement, and you know it. We celebrate giving others the choice to do what they want with their own bodies, within the law. Why is that so hard to understand? For a party, and assumably a person who subscribes to the “personal responsibilities, liberties, and freedoms” dogma, you’d be better at actually practicing it.

You see, the division in this country started with Fox News and AM rage radio, always injecting politics into everything, and making up fake wars (War on Christmas, etc), all to draw a line in the sand to viewers: either you’re with us or against us. Very Christ-like, no?

Your reference to Romans 1 is perfect Projection: accuse others of the thing you’re already doing and don’t like about yourself. What makes you think His perfect design for me is to question authority, question everything I’ve been taught so that one day I’ll find my own truth, not some “truth” spoon fed to me by charlatans who just want my money?

Like I said above, if Jesus were on Earth today, he’d be a progressive hippy liberal to you, with all His love thy neighbor, welcoming immigrants, helping the poor and chastising the rich. Have fun in your “liberal-hating” fake christian world.

Nobody ever woke up in the morning and said, “It’s a nice day. I think I’ll have an abortion.” Abortions are a difficult decision at best. And only anti abortionists seem to have information on the plethora of late term abortions they constantly describe. Late abortions are a serious medical matter and should only be decided by the woman and her doctor. And in the loving relationship we hope is the marriage, her husband.
It would more sense ethically, if we educated our children in appropriate sexual behavior, where two people would agree not to start a child until they were willing to devote their lives to cooperatively raising that child. Men should bear their fair share of the burden of the care of children.
Now I have just opened myself up to nasty comments from some very unethical men.

Considering the number of pedophiles your church aids and abets, better children are never born than given to your rapist friends

You hand the kid over to the pedophiles before or after it is baptised? Information from inside the largest pedophile ring the world has ever seen is so rare, I know you run at 5% active kiddie fiddlers, just wanted to know how the other 95% help the elect

While I will not disagree that many pro-lifers ARE such because of a concern for the unborn, let’s be real and recognize that in large part it IS the male desire to control women’s reproduction and sexuality which is in play. To pretend that rampant misogyny is not present among members of a historically VERY misogynist religion (Nicaean Trinitarian Christianity) and bearing the cultural legacy of 5000 years of patriarchal imperialism is delusional.

As long as you speak in such drastic terms, I’ll have to ask you why you’re ok with voting for Republicans like Reagan who funded, armed and trained the death squads who tortured and killed 250,000 ALREADY BORN people in Guatemala, including some of my friends.

Please, you have no grounds for pretending that you have the moral high ground here.