10 Things Your Childhood Pastor Didn’t Tell You (But Should Have)

10 Things Your Childhood Pastor Didn’t Tell You (But Should Have) September 3, 2014

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1. The flavor of Christianity you grew up with isn’t the only flavor out there.

There are around 40,000 different Christian denominations all with their own particular nuances and ways of expressing the Christian message. I fear too many of us grow up thinking that our group is the one group who “gets it”, but with 40,000 different expressions of Christianity out there, chances are slim that you grew up in the one faith tradition who had it all correct. Each expression of Christianity has inherent strengths and weaknesses, all of which should be considered on the individual merits.

2. Visiting and exploring other Christian traditions is beneficial to your journey, not detrimental.

One of the most valuable things I learned in seminary had nothing to do with biblical languages or theology, but rather diversity. We were assigned to attend a worship service at a church we’d never otherwise go to, so I picked the most charismatic church I could find. I had expected to find a long list of reasons to make fun of them, but what I actually found was a group of loving and sincere people who radically changed my impression of charismatics. We must encourage exploration among Christian traditions.

3. The Bible is notoriously difficult to read and understand.

Growing up I was often taught that the Bible was the “user manual for life”, but could never figure out who would write a user manual that was so complicated and difficult to understand. Understanding and interpreting scripture is anything but easy– this is why most Christian traditions require professional clergy to have a minimum of a 3 year advanced seminary degree that covers things like ancient languages, hermeneutics, etc. Even then, competent scholars will often disagree! Had I been taught the truth that the Bible is difficult to read and interpret, I would have had more grace on both myself and others.

4. There’s no such thing as a “plain” or “straight forward” way of reading the Bible.

As if the Bible were not difficult enough to understand, we also have the problem of reading our own cultural ideas and values into the scriptures when we read them. As a result, it’s simply not possible to plainly read the Bible and walk away with a pure understanding of what it’s actually saying. This doesn’t mean we give up, but that we hold what we think it to be saying in sincere humility, knowing that we have a tendency to infer our own world on the ancient world.

5. The Bible actually does contradict itself– but that’s okay.

I think as Christians we’re often afraid to admit that the Bible does contradict itself, and that as a result, it’s not without error from a historic/factual standpoint. We’re afraid that if we admit to some of these things about the Bible the house of cards will collapse– but that’s not the case. In fact, some contradictions actually make the Bible more true instead of less, such as the different accounts of the Resurrection. The differing accounts actually show that there wasn’t an attempt by the disciples to “get their story straight” but instead is an authentic eye witness testimony on each account. We need not fear reality.

6. Jesus didn’t always agree with the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament).

Have some parts of the Old Testament that really don’t sit well with you? You’re in good company– Jesus seems to have felt the same way. In Mark 10 when Jesus is asked about the law, he prefaces his comments with “Moses only gave that to you because your hearts were hard”, which shows that the OT law wasn’t something perfect, but the opposite– a concession to sinful humanity. In other parts Jesus completely rejects some things such as the permissiveness of violence. Jesus tells his listeners: “You have heard it said an eye for an eye, but I tell you do not resist an evil person”. What his listeners would have heard was, “I know the Bible says that when we use violence it should be fair and limited, but I’m telling you that’s wrong– don’t use violence at all.”

So don’t worry if stuff like stoning people in the OT turns your stomach– Jesus felt the same way.

7. Jesus valued compassion and empathy over rule following.

Truth be told, Jesus wasn’t an “anything goes” kind of person but he also wasn’t a rigid rule follower. Instead, Jesus valued empathy and compassion over man-made rule following. Jesus was a rule-breaker with things like being a friend of gluttons (instead of following the book of Proverbs), and did good works instead of resting on the Sabbath (one of the things that got him killed). The Jesus of the New Testament seems to be someone who chooses the side of compassion when there is tension between rule following and loving others.

8. The end-times stuff was all made up less than 200 years ago.

I was almost 33 years old before I found out that other Christians didn’t believe in the modern end-times rapture garbage. Doom-and-gloom rapture/end times theology is not part of historic Christianity– it came from a man named John Nelson Darby who was just born in 1800. Now, just because something is “new” doesn’t mean it is wrong, but pastors should probably give full disclosure on this: the end times madness is new, not part of historic Christianity, and is unique to evangelical fundamentalism.

9. Jesus doesn’t care what political party you belong to.

While the American version of Jesus has been married to right-wing politics for the last 30 years, the real Jesus could probably give two-hoots which political party you belong to. In fact, my best guess would be that Jesus would invite you to abandon the politics of the American Empire altogether so that you might completely devote yourself to living as a kingdom building exile whose citizenship is elsewhere.

10. Doubt can make your faith stronger.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned in the last seven years of being in seminary it’s this: I have serious doubts. As a child I was taught that doubt was the enemy of faith, but as an adult I am finding it is actually an ally. The more I doubt some aspects of our Christian tradition, the more I find myself clinging to the Jesus in the New Testament because I become more convinced that he is my only hope– both for this life, and the next.

 


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  • Benjamin Martin

    #5 I doubt a mother or teacher or judge or jury could be fooled by that apologia for contradictions, if it had to do with something other than the resurrection.

  • #1 I don’t know why you thought your denomination had everything correct when, actually, it was mine. If you wanted to know the truth, all you had to do was ask me.

  • Not an attempt to fool. In fact, if you had three people all testifying from the same team and every little detail of their story was a mirror image of the other, it would point to corroboration since we know that eye witness testimonies never match perfectly.

  • Benjamin Martin

    So why did Matthew, when he had the original source Mark right in front of his nose, change what Jesus said and did?

  • Duane Bauman

    There are many things your write that I don’t agree with but your points today make a lot of sense . Your list could go on and on , one would add under ones particular church is more teaching as how a particular doctrine became important in the church. More history of our own cultures in relation to how our forefathers viewed the scriptures and acted upon them. Shalom

  • Ransom Backus

    3: I have no problem reading or understanding the Bible. When the Catholics ruled Christendom, they had the same attitude. Only the educated priests could handle the Bible and it was kept out of the layman’s hand. I thought we got past this one.

    4: with a little digging and some basic historical knowledge I don’t have a problem reading it plain and straightforward either. In my journey, most of the Bible proves to be basic common sense. Scholars and “experts” tend to muck things up and make it harder and more confusing than it is. Again, this goes back to the Catholic mentality, stating that we poor, uneducated laypersons are incapable of understanding the Bible and is best left in the hands of their professionals.

    5: I have heard the contradiction claim MANY times. Usually seeming contradictions can be straightened out with a little digging, and reading other parts of the Bible with some basic critical thinking and asking the right questions. Those who play the contradiction card are usually victims of laziness and don’t take the time to look around a little bit. So far every time someone tries to show me a contradiction, I can correct the misunderstanding.

    6: Jesus never disagreed with the Law (Tanakh: law and prophets) He even stated that He didn’t come to abolish it but fulfill it and insisted that every jot and tittle was accounted for. What He DID do was bring it back into focus in the correct sentiment and spirit of the law, and pointed out the abuses of it by the Pharisees.

    8: Sorry, Martin Luther thought the end times were upon him as well, and he cast the Catholic Church as the “antichrist”. The apostle Paul himself expected it to happen in his lifetime.

    10: I will let James 1:5-8 answer this one for me. 5 Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without criticizing, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith without doubting. For the doubter is like the surging sea, driven and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 An indecisive[b] man is unstable in all his ways.

    thanks for playing.

  • What do you contend he altered, and what is the significance/impact of that alteration?

  • Next you’ll be telling me my favorite ice cream flavor isn’t the only true flavor. Which it is, by the way (cookies and cream). I could get all exegetical about it, but before the foundation of the world it was God’s elect flavor, too.

  • Reason #6 needs some clarification. Please consider amending your words to specify that Mark 10 is referring to a divorce decree and not OT LAW – as in the commandments that Jesus said he came to fulfill.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    And you’re one of the “Childhood Pastors” that this blog is centered around.

  • Ransom Backus

    No sir. I am not a pastor. In fact, I don’t even attend church and haven’t for quite some time. I am one of those rare people who thinks and reads for himself. Note: thinking for onesself doesn’t necessarily mean that everything was wrong before and that the popular opinion is correct.

  • nabil89

    1- Most of the times Matthew did not change but added stories or teachings (refer to the introduction in the Word Biblical Commentary on Mark 1-8:26. by the Guelich, Robert A. – a very detailed explanation of the issue of the three gospels.)
    2- You are assuming that Matthew only had Mark. He most probably had Mark, other written sources, and a many oral sources :)

    Blessings

  • Yes, that particular one was about divorce, but points to a bigger issue: parts of the law were given as a concession from God and do not reflect his nature or character, such as the case of permitting violence. In the later case, Jesus actually disagrees with the OT law and teaches to no longer obey it.

  • Yes, you can understand a lot of the Bible all on your own, but it has some severe limitations. If you do not understand the authors, the cultures they wrote from and their recipients and the cultures they lived in (the primary meaning of a text being what was intended to be received by the original audience), and if one has no understanding of the languages they wrote these letters in, the amount that can be fully understood is radically truncated.

    Ultimately, you read it just fine in English, but it wasn’t written in English. Without knowledge of the languages, you’re reading not just the text, but also the decisions made by translators who had to translate terms and idioms that don’t cleanly translate into English. It is far from as simple as you’d like it to be.

  • Ransom Backus

    Lucky for me, I know the Holy Spirit who enabled the apostles to speak in every language present! I am quite sure the Holy Spirit speaks English too and can explain things.

  • Oh, I didn’t realize that. You don’t have to do any homework then.

  • Ransom Backus

    homework is much easier and less confusing when the Teacher is present, as opposed to guessing and picking my favorite scholar versus the scholars that disagree with them, creating even more confusion. Bottom line is people make it far more confusing than necessary. Again, we revert back to the Catholic dogma of taking the Bible out of the hands of the layperson and allowing only professionals to interpret it.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    It’s going, going, going, and it’s gone! It went right over his head! All of me to discern what the Holy Spirit apparently didn’t do for you; my comment pointed to the fact that your theology and beliefs are exactly what this article was targeted at.

  • Ransom Backus

    I am quite sure that WAS your point. And I am quite sure this article targets people like me. I was simply pointing out where I see the article erring. I disagree and thought I would offer healthy contrary discussion to insist on critical thought.

  • gimpi1

    “Growing up I was often taught that the Bible was the “user manual for life”, but could never figure out who would write a user manual that was so complicated and difficult to understand.”

    Microsoft? Perhaps what’s needed is the missing manual? The Idiot’s Guide? (Sorry, helping my husband with Windows 8.1, couldn’t resist)

  • Timothy Weston

    I grew up in a United Methodist church that had the Charismatic movement and had a degree of fundamentalism in belief. This year has been an iconoclastic year for me as I have been ditching those beliefs.

  • gimpi1

    Seriously, though, I find your number 10, ‘Doubt can make your faith stronger’ hopeful. As someone with pretty-much nothing but doubts, that means I may find my way through the forest at some point. Thanks.

  • gimpi1

    Seriously? The Holy Spirit card? How, exactly, do you know you’re hearing from the Holy Spirit and not your own subconscious? Your own desires?

    Here’s a hint, if the Holy Spirit appears to reflect what you already believe or want to believe, then it’s most likely your own mind you’re hearing from.

  • Ransom Backus

    IT drives me crazy when God disagrees with me and therefore challenges me to repent and take on true transformation. Don’t you agree?

  • gimpi1

    Heretic! Pecan Praline is the only righteous flavor.
    (For extra righteousness, add caramel sauce:-)

  • CroneEver

    Great post, Ben! Comments:

    #1 – Amen. The differences between most denominations are rarely about actual dogma, but about rules, regulations, window dressing, and style. (As C. S. Lewis once said, most people can’t explain the difference between consubstantiation and transubstantiation and it really doesn’t matter: what matters is following Jesus.) So people go to a church because it’s warm and fuzzy, or because it’s legalistic in the extreme, or because its services are casual in the extreme, or are high-liturgy to the max, or because they like the pastor or the choir or the people or the actual physical church itself. Or because they’re convinced that if they don’t go to this church, they’re going to go to hell. Or because this is the church that holds the key to the country club. Or because they had a profound spiritual experience there. But the truth is, it doesn’t matter WHAT church you go to, because what God cares about is whether, as Jesus said, you “love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.”

    #8 – the real problem with the focus on the end times is that it has given a lot of people a tremendous excuse to (1) push for war in the name of helping God get on with the apocalypse (as if God needs our help and (2) ignore all the things Jesus said we should do, like clothe the naked, feed the poor, house the stranger, because, after all, if the end times are coming, who needs to bother? I don’t think that’s going to hold up well in the Final Interview.

    #9 – Jesus, channeled through Shakespeare, would probably say, A plague on all our political houses. After all, he called out the Pharisees and the Sadducees all the time.

    #10 – Yep. If you’re afraid of doubt, you’ll have to stop thinking altogether (and granted, some people do this). But you’ll miss out on an amazing journey. Doubt is not the enemy of faith, any more than hate is the enemy of love: the real enemy is indifference.

  • gimpi1

    I would argue that you might need to touch bases with your view of God, perhaps discuss humility. You may not mean to, but you come off as arrogant and dismissive of the value of study, scholarship and dialog.

    I’m pretty sure that many people who came up with some of the worst ideas that Christianity has ever been associated with believed they were being led by God. Westboro Baptist, the KKK and the Inquisition come to mind. Belief that God is guiding you, unleavened with humility and doubt, can lead to some nasty places.

  • Ransom Backus

    James chapter 1 tells me that if I doubt, I am unstable and double minded. No thank you sir. Now here is a question. If I ask God to teach me, should I then doubt that He is capable, and therefore look for a bunch of teachers who seldom agree to teach me instead? Remember, it was the scholars Jesus took issue with and they thought Him quite arrogant as well.

  • gimpi1

    Well, I suppose I’m unstable and double-minded, then. I’m OK with that. (Oh, and by the way, it would be Ma’am, not Sir:-)

    Teachers who disagree can help you to understand that there are many viewpoints, and that those viewpoints are colored by individual experience. They can help you see beyond your own views. They can offer ideas that can open your mind to possibilities, contradictions and realties that you hadn’t thought of. Good things, all.

    Scholars have value. Perhaps it’s one of my own biases, but I’ll back the person who has actually taken the time to educate themselves, take objective tests, and learn from others every time. Perhaps that’s because I married a geologist.

    I still don’t see how you can be sure that you’re not just having a dialog with your own subconscious mind. Don’t you ever doubt yourself?

  • Ransom Backus

    You are talking to someone who has heard many viewpoints. I would say about 10 years ago I had the ultimate crisis of faith where I became terribly confused, and almost literally lost my mind. Too may voices tripped me up and I lost all sense of God or my faith. Of course I see that, looking back as a necessary evil as it weened me off of needing flawed humans to instruct me. It then drove me into silently waiting for God to speak to me as He began to cultivate an ongoing relationship with the Holy Spirit. So I could listen to all of the viewpoints all over again (and I have heard just about all of them, at least among all of the popular topics i.e. hell/no hell heaven/no heaven, rapture/no rapture, end times/no end times… gay rights, abortion, sex in general….etc..I have heard just about all of the arguments for and against each one, each arguer had scholars and teachers to back up their view.) you can only listen for so long and debate and discuss and dialogue for so long and believe me, I have spent years doing just that. Then I asked God to speak to me. How can I be sure it isn’t my own subconscious mind? If it is then we are ALL insane and no teacher or scholar is credible as they too depend either on their own subconscious mind or depend on the subconscious minds of the writers of the Bible and it’s anyone’s guess as to what God has said IF He has said anything at all or even if He exists. I’ve been down that road and lived there as an agnostic for awhile. Let me ask you this: in the words of Jesus would I ask my father for a fish only to have Him give me a snake? IS my father capable of overriding confusion and pushing aside my subconscious? Is He capable of getting through to me? If I ask Him to override my subconscious and speak to me will He not answer? I could play this doubt game and not get anywhere for the rest of my life for that matter. It isn’t that I have faith in myself, but I have faith in God’s ability to teach me, without the confusion of a thousand views and voices of teachers, and I have faith in HIS ability to get through the echoes of my own thoughts and subconscious. The question at hand is this. Is He capable of teaching me in such a way where I know that it is Him and not having to guess or depend on other scholars and teachers who are also pretty much guessing? If not, then my faith is pointless and I may as well be an atheist and that would be the end of it because then the religion or faith, as you will then becomes an arbitrary game of fancy. In the end, I have to answer for myself and myself alone and after I die, no teacher will be present, no scholar will be with me. It will be me alone before my creator, accountable only for what I know and have received. I have to be ok with the man in the mirror in all sense of honesty and integrity. I got tired of the unstable mind. It drove me literally insane.

  • gimpi1

    I’m sorry you found doubt so hard to live with. Doubt, to me, is the only reasonable state. I doubt almost everything. I have no faith in anything that I’m aware of. I accept things that have been – to my satisfaction – proven by the preponderance of the evidence, but belief without evidence, no. That doubt doesn’t make me insane, it keeps me stable. Living in reality.

    If you’re happy, fine. Try to understand, however, that from the outside, claims that “the Holy Spirit led me” aren’t worth the time they take to type. It might mean the world to you, but it can’t mean a thing to me, because I haven’t had that experience. And, honestly, if I did, I wouldn’t trust it. It’s too easy to deceive yourself. I don’t want to go there.

    One of the reasons I follow Ben is that he takes the time to explain how he got to where he is. He offers his historical knowledge, his own background, his knowledge of languages and social development to back up his ideas. He doesn’t just say, “Believe me, God says I’m right.” Frankly, that’s how you come across.

    If you believe you need that sort of certainty to stay on an even keel, fine. Good luck to you. I’ll stay out here, looking at many points of view, and doggedly hunting for the facts. That’s how I stay stable.

  • Ransom Backus

    Doubt is frowned upon even by Jesus Himself. But I won’t debate you. You follow Ben because He took the time explaining background…etc….if you get to know me there is real depth to my journey as well. In fact, I wrote a rather lengthy book about it. There is much weight and I take nothing I have said here lightly. I weigh everything before I settle on a matter, always with prayer and seeking.

  • Great points, Eve. On your response to point 10, I would suggest another enemy of faith is fear. Indifference is bad, if someone doesn’t care and isn’t engaged at all. But fear as a reaction to spiritual ennui leads to a defensive, hobbled form of faith. I know some people who’ve set up so many barriers in their faith that it is little wonder they are barely able to interact with the rest of us mere humans. Fear disguised as piety, fear disguised as fear of the Lord, is a great way to smuggle in spiritual pride while mouthing platitudes of humility before God. Most of the folks I’ve talked to who have a wider view of God’s grace began when they abandoned being afraid.

  • What do you do when you encounter someone who also believes the Holy Spirit is giving them clarity in their interpretation, but disagrees with you on some position? Do you pray until the Holy Spirit changes one or both of your minds?

  • Benjamin Martin

    If you’ve got two post grad theological degrees, ye wuz robbed.

  • Benjamin Martin

    Snow cones are biblical. Unfortunately, Hezbollah controls the source now.

    Like a snow-cooled drink at harvest time is a trustworthy messenger to the one who sends him; he refreshes the spirit of his master. Proverbs 25:13

  • John A. C. Kelley

    Critical thought mandates that you believe that the Bible is exceedingly complex and absolutely not simple to understand. There is ample evidence for this (over 40,000 different denominations of Christianity) and none against it (unless you can prove otherwise). It also would make it fairly obvious that “a little digging and some basic historical knowledge” are far from a simple reading from scripture and require tedious attention to detail and knowledge of specifically who wrote it, who received it, why it was written, when it was written, and where it was written. Contradictions are present in the Bible; it is utterly irrational to believe that the same depiction of a wrathful, vengeful God depicted in the Tanakh is the same God as Jesus the Christ. The issue is that no one knew God until Jesus came and the Tanakh was just what people believed about God. It isn’t exactly as contradictory as it is an issue of only writing what you know without a full understanding. Jesus not only disagreed with the law, but He also broke it on many occasions (see nearly every miracle Jesus performed). Rapture theology, not end times theology, is new, not believing that the end times were near. Rapture theology comes from Revelation (the apocalypse, which means revelation or unveiling, of John) and Revelation is about the time when we will have full understanding of God, not the end of the world. In James 1, doubt is referring to abandoning God, not doubting a man-made doctrine of Him.

  • Guy Norred

    Absolutely! Fear is in so much of what the church has come to mean to so many people, when it should be about casting all that fear out.

  • VisionaryJax

    Very nice Ben! I would add a few …

    1. God loves you and is not mad at you.
    2. God has always loved you and never been mad at you.
    3. God will always love you and never be mad at you.
    4. You can connect with God and experience His presence moment to moment.
    5. As you stay connected to God and receive His love, you will be transformed into His likeness and begin to love as He loves.
    6. Until that happens, don’t drive yourself crazy trying to be nice and do good.
    7. Trust God to lead you where He wants you and don’t freak out about finding HIS WILL. It’s His will for you to live and love. Relax.
    8. You don’t have to be afraid.
    9. It’s all a lark. Enjoy it.

  • CroneEver

    I agree totally about fear. Whew – so much of it: will I be cast out? Will I go to hell? Will I be rejected? The only way to grow in faith is to let go of fear, because it just makes you a slave of whoever promises you relief from whatever you’re afraid of. I’ve been there. It’s a terrible place to be.

  • DC Rambler

    There is much debate about that law thing..I know that many say that he is the fulfillment of the law but many would argue that he says keep the laws. Jesus kept the laws and at the end of the first century/ early second century as the new religion about him grew among the gentiles and the gospels were written the Jewishness was stripped away and even attacked. This is a very common historic study and has been debated for centuries. Peace

  • I asked what you thought. Since one ultimately doesn’t know what sources Matthew’s Gospel uses, other than Mark from the early dating of Mark, it’s not sufficient to simply say he rewrote parts of Mark. If you have a theory and specific examples, I’m all ears.

  • Benjamin Martin

    And I assumed you had a decent theological education, formerly same old fundamentalist. May as well start now…

    A simple example is the case of the last words of Christ. Mark presents these words in self-consciously realistic fashion, shifting from his usual Greek into the Aramaic of Jesus, transliterated into Greek letters Eloi eloi lama sabachthanei (My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?—Mark 15:34). Mark gives us no hint that Jesus is “quoting” Psalm 22:1; we are clearly to believe that we are hearing the grieving outcry of a dying man.

    But the author of Matthew, who used Mark as one of his major written sources, is self-consciously “literary” in both this and yet another way. Though using Mark as his major source for the passion story, Matthew is fully aware that Mark’s crucifixion narrative is based largely on the Twenty-second Psalm, fully aware, that is, that Mark’s Gospel is part of a literary tradition (this description would not be Matthew’s vocabulary, but his method is nonetheless literary).

    Aware of the tradition, Matthew concerned himself with another kind of “realism” or verisimilitude. When the bystanders heard Jesus crying, according to Mark, to “Eloi,” they assumed that “he is calling Elijah [Eleian]” (Mark 15:35). But Matthew knew that no Aramaic speaker present at the Cross would mistake a cry to God (Eloi) for one to Elijah—the words are too dissimilar. So Matthew self-consciously evoked yet another literary tradition in the service both of verisimilitude and of greater faithfulness to the Scriptures: not the Aramaic of Psalm 22:1 but the Hebrew, which he too transliterated into Greek—Eli Eli (Matt. 27:46)—a cry which could more realistically be confused with “Eleian.”

    Luke is even more self-conscious literary and fictive than Matthew in his crucifixion scene. Though, as I have said, he knew perfectly well what Mark had written as the dying words of Jesus, he created new ones more suitable to his understanding of what the death of Jesus meant—an act with at least two critical implications. First, that he has thus implicitly declared Mark’s account a fiction; second, that he self-consciously presents his own as a fiction. For like Matthew, Luke 23:46 deliberately placed his own work in the literary tradition by quoting Psalm 30 (31):5 in the Septuagint as the dying speech of Jesus: “Into your hands I will commit my spirit” (eis cheiras sou parathsomai to pneuma mou), changing the verb from future to present (paratihemai) to suit the circumstances and leaving the rest of the quotation exact.

    This is self-conscious creation of literary fiction, creation of part of a narrative scene for religious and moral rather than historical purposes. Luke knew perfectly well, I would venture to assert, that he was not describing what happened in the past; he was instead creating an ideal model of Christian death, authorized both by doctrine and by literary precedent.

    First-century Christians believed that the career of Jesus, even down to minor details, was predicted in their sacred writings. By a remarkably creative fiat of interpretation, the Jewish scriptures (especially in Greek translation) became a book that had never existed before, the Old Testament, a book no longer about Israel but about Israel’s hope, the Messiah, Jesus. Northrop Frye nicely sums up this self-reflexive aspect of the two Testaments as early Christians saw them:

    How do we know that the Gospel story is true? Because it confirms the prophecies of the Old Testament. But how do we know that the Old Testament prophecies are true? Because they are confirmed by the Gospel story. Evidence, so called, is bounced back and forth between the testaments like a tennis ball; and no other evidence is given us. The two testaments form a double mirror, each reflecting the other but neither the world outside.

    A voice, for example, in the (now) “Old” Testament became by interpretative fiat the voice of Jesus. When the psalmist wrote “My flesh shall rest in hope: because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine holy one to see corruption” (Psalms 15 [16]:9-10 LXX), it was in fact not “really” the psalmist speaking, but Jesus, a thousand years before his birth. As Luke has Peter say, in interpreting these verses to the crowd at Pentecost:

    Let me tell you plainly, my friends, that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this very day. It is clear therefore that he spoke as a prophet… and when he said he was not abandoned to death, and his flesh never suffered corruption, he spoke with foreknowledge of the resurrection of the Messiah (Acts 2:29-31).

    By fiat of interpretation, a psalm becomes a prophecy. David becomes Jesus.

    We see a two-stage creative process here: first, the psalm is turned into a prophetic minidrama; then the interpretation of the psalm becomes another dramatic scene: Peter explaining it to the multitude. That the fictive creative act is Luke’s, and not Peter’s, is clear from the Greek of the scene: Luke has Peter quote, fairly loosely, as if from memory, the Septuagint Greek text of Psalms (though the historical Peter spoke Aramaic and needed, Christian tradition tells us, a Greek interpreter). The point of Luke’s interpretation depends on the Greek texts of the verse, not on the Hebrew. The Hebrew text of Psalm 16:10b has something like: “nor suffer thy faithful servant to see the pit,” which stands in simple parallelism to the first line of the distich, “Thou will not abandon me to Sheol” —that is, you will not allow me to die. The Greek text could, however, be taken to mean “You will not let me remain in the grave, nor will you let me rot.”

    Peter’s speech is an effective work of dramatic fiction, the culmination of a complex two-stage creative process. Luke, as we shall see, creates the same kinds of dramatic fictions in his Gospel, the first half of the Christian history that includes his Acts of the Apostles.

    Invention of that kind is the subject of this book.

    Randel Helms (1988) Gospel Fictions. Prometheus Books.
    amazon.com/Gospel-Fictions-Randel-Helms/dp/0879754648/

  • nonononononono Deep chocolate with chocolate shell and walnut sprinkles. You’ve been misled by the Evil One (who probably prefers vanilla) ptui ptui ptui.

  • I’m seeing that your definition of a “decent theological education” is one that causes you to completely leave orthodox Christianity… remaining a Christian doesn’t make one a fundamentalist.

  • Benjamin Martin

    I didn’t figure you would actually be “all ears” about “specific examples” and “theory.”

  • Ransom, if you don’t attend or belong to a Church Family then you are obviously disobeying the Holy Spirit and Sacred Scripture. You cannot detach yourself from Mother Church and remain on the Vine for very long. Your ecclesiology appears to be very unbiblical and not Spirit led.
    A spoonful of humility might be helpful.

  • Although it is true that the majority modern viewpoint that Mark was written first and Matthew used Mark as a source, there are a very large and growing number of scholars who are returning to the traditional point of view that Matthew was written first. This is also consistent with the writings of the Early Church which claimed that Matthew was written first in Hebrew/Aramaic, then Mark, Luke, and last, John, and that Matthew was later translated into Greek. And, there is growing evidence that the Gospels were penned much earlier than once thought; nearly all of the NT writings being written before 70AD.

  • I become concerned when OT law, in it’s broader sense, is lumped together with the Ten Commandments in the minds of many people. There’s a huge difference between the laws that were added to the original 10. For the sake of people who don’t or can’t discern the difference, I always like to see things clarified instead of generalized.

  • Agreed. I hold to a pre AD 70 dating for most of the NT.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    Jesus broke many laws nearly every time He performed a miracle. Jesus came, not to abolish, but to fulfill the law and the prophets. The law and the prophets refer to Genesis-Deuteronomy (the law) and Isaiah-Malachi (the prophets). Every time that Jesus referred to scripture (the Old Testament because the New Testament wasn’t around yet), He said the law and the prophets. He said it when He explained that the greatest commandment was to love the Lord your God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself in Matthew 22:40. He also said that the Law and the Prophets were only until John and now the Kingdom of God is being preached in Luke 16:16.

    Now, back the not abolishing, but fulfilling. Jesus said this to explain Himself to the Jews that were offended at His message because He was preaching the Kingdom of God instead of the bondage of law. They thought that Jesus was discrediting their scriptures and that He was ruining their religion, but Jesus said that He is not discrediting them, but completing them. Jesus also said that all the law and prophets points to Him in Luke 24:27 and again in 24:44. Jesus is the completion of the law and the prophets (the Old Testament) and they don’t govern us anymore.

    The Old Testament was our Old Covenant with God where we lived in bondage to the unbearable yoke of the law, but Jesus paid our contract (covenant) with God in full. If you have a loan and someone fulfills your contract, do you keep paying the loan? No, it’s already been paid. It hasn’t been abolished and ripped up, it has been fulfilled. Either way we don’t live by it anymore. Now we have a new covenant that is described in the New Testament and our contract is now to do for the world as Jesus did for us.

    This isn’t to say that the Old Testament isn’t useful for teaching, rebuking, etc. as mentioned in 2 Timothy 3:16, but it means that the Old Testament is useful to see the entire narrative of Jesus and through Him, God. The Bible is a testimony to the Word of God, who is Jesus.

  • Larry TheKeyboardist Blake

    Excellent list! Here are my takes on some of yours (and a few I would add):

    #1 & 7) These are why it ticks me off when I hear street preachers’ constant ramblings. For some strange reason, certain denominations like to instill an overbearing sense of elitism into their followers, and said elitism is pretty much the sole reason why they have such a fetish for playing the “persecution” card every time someone ignores/rejects/disagrees with the crapola they try to force everyone within a block to hear. You’d think that someone old enough to graduate from high school and/or college, have a job, and raise a family would at least have the compassion to practice his “religion” in a less obtrusive and in-your-face way that’s more likely to repel passersby rather than recruit them, but apparently that’s just not the case.

    #8) This is, of course, a very destructive theological practice, as it has caused people who believe in it to be a lot more reckless in their treatment of the people and planet Jesus taught us to take care of.

    #9) While I personally tend to vote Democratic, I have a very hard imagining Jesus Christ voting for either party. I vote in part because, unlike Him, I’m not currently safe in heaven and away from our political landscape.

    My additions:
    #11) Religion and morality are not one in the same.
    Morals are essentially determined by little more than how you treat everyone around you. You don’t need to believe in any deity or follow an old book to have standards set as to how to treat everyone around you. The Golden Rule, which dates back as far as the days of Confucius, is almost universally accepted by most people regardless of their religious backgrounds. And, of course, you can also be religious while adopting behaviors that most wouldn’t consider very “moral” (as I talked about in my mini-rant about street preachers just now).

    #12) We all sin, and therefore have no business judging others’ sins.
    At least not without expecting our own sins to be judged in return. In fact, Jesus railed against doing this on multiple occasions (Matthew 6:1 and John 8:7 may come to mind here). I think Jesus knew we aren’t all going to be able to bring ourselves to be completely like Him, and that we as humans can only do so much, so really the worst thing you or I can do is to knowingly and willingly do the complete opposite of what He taught.

    Alternatively, if Jesus died for our sins, does that not mean that we’re all saved regardless? I sure hope there’s a good jam session, top-notch BBQ, and a few casinos up there. (Sorry, I just couldn’t resist typing that.)

  • Ray

    This is a wonderful list. I’m not sure if I can agree with it all, but I enjoy the honesty and also the mental challenge that it encourages. I especially can appreciate the last point about doubt, but I would add that it’s doubt coupled with a sincere determination for the Truth, in whatever aspect of reality we’re dealing with. Doubt by itself is neutral, it’s only a catalyst. If it’s to be productive it needs to be guided by action that puts trust in the Source of Truth, “Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened unto you”. You seem to have this understanding, but I felt like it wasn’t as explicit as it could be.

    One thing that I think could use a bit of clarification is point #8. What end-times stuff exactly? Surely not “all”…some NT writers seemed fairly obsessed about it. Personally I have some rather “crazy” views on the whole end-times thing — I will say simply that I agree in that I believe it’s definitely been blown up to be a source of fear –but with how your point was worded, I’m not sure that it’s an entirely true statement.

  • Melanie Collins Pennock

    Thank you for posting this. It sums up the things I have come to believe, which are the antithesis of what I was taught in fundamentalism.

  • Bro Anselm Philip King-Lowe

    I would like to politely, but partially disagree with some of what is written in #8. As early as the days when Christians “Christianized” much of Pagan culture (and I very much disagree with their methods, but nonetheless), among the many rituals they borrowed from, were related to the seasons. In the case of Advent, it was a common practice to decorate the temple in preparation of the “Adventus” of the deity. When Christians adopted Advent as the preparation for Christmas, they celebrated it as the season that would remind us of the second coming in glory, because we recalled Christ’s first coming in history. Hence, the reason why Christmas is the only high feast day that falls on the same date, regardless of what day it is on, has much to do with the second coming. Why? Because it suggests that we do not exactly know on what date or day that Jesus was born, so for the sake of connecting it with nature, we will say December 25th, because it coincides with the Winter Solstice. Just as Christ could have been born on any day of the week, so Christ could return on any day of the week, so for the time being, let’s try to live our lives in a way that acknowledges Christ among us in our neighbor and love Him there, any day of the week, all throughout the year. Because as in most cases “God was there, but, we did not realize it, until after it happened.” As for the abusive use of Revelation to suggest that any interpretation of the Bible to support marriage equality for example, is the deadly sin of “adding and subtracting” from the original book, that kind of thing is very new. The article is very well written and makes many strong points. Some of them could use a bit more substance, but the overall meaning of what is written is superb. Well done.

  • Larry TheKeyboardist Blake

    He wasn’t aligned with either, because there was no Democratic or Republican party back then. Reread entry #9.

  • Steven Waling

    Really? Someone challenges your reading of the Bible with a critical view that isn’t even particularly unusual and you bring out the orthodoxy card? The idea that the words from the cross are essentially literary fictions is at least a hundred years old. Whether true or not I fail to see how it affects orthodoxy.

  • Now this is a good one!

  • A Blessing to All

    Ben, always enjoy your posts. Would suggest removing the word “garbage” from point number 8. I am not a rapture person, but I think anyone who is, will completely shut you off after reading that. And heaven knows we need them to read posts like this!

  • Benjamin Martin

    a.k.a. Moralistic Therapeutic Deism.

  • Benjamin Martin

    /wiki/Shunning#Anabaptism, it’s an old tradition.

  • Matthew

    Thanks so much for this list Ben. Although I agree with most of it, I tend to take a more conservative view regarding the historicity and contradictions “thing”. In my view I have no problem, as a Christian, believing that God could — even through human agents — compose a perfect book. That said, I would be remiss if I didn´t admit that we “see through the glass dimly” and that as such we probably won´t get it all right this side of eternity — thus as a community of faith we need to keep on searching for the answers together.

    Also … although the Bible is indeed a complex work, the things we really need to know (like salvation through faith in Jesus Christ) in my opinion are relatively easy to discern. I would also add that there is good evidence for the historical accuracy of the Gospel accounts if one just seeks it out (a good starting place is “The Reason for God” by Tim Keller — the chapter entitled “You can´t take the Bible literally”).

    Finally, I do think there is some (I emphasize “some”) truth to what Ransom Backus shares. I come from a Roman Catholic background myself and until I found faith in Jesus in a new way, I had little or no experience with the Bible. I was thrilled when I realized that I could indeed read the Scriptures for myself and for the most part understand them. What I struggle with now is just how much I can count on the Holy Spirit to lead me into truth as I read the Scriptures and how much I need scholars, the family of faith, etc. to be my personal rabbi so to speak as I proceed on my spiritual journey with The Master.

    Thanks again for this blog Ben. I do learn a lot from it.

  • Katharine Ellis Tapley

    Yay! My childhood pastor DID tell me all of these. He was also my Dad, so that may have made a difference.

  • VisionaryJax

    thank you melanie! me too.

  • VisionaryJax

    is that a thing? i just call it “relationship with Christ.” :) it’s wonderful!

  • DC Rambler

    Thanks for your response..Your’s is a very good Christian take on Jesus and the laws. But remember, Jesus was a Jewish prophet, not a Christian. He was dedicated to the Torah and the words, laws and promises contained inside and went to the Temple. A great deal of his ministry, especially in the first gospel Mark, was announcing that the Son of Man would be returning soon and removing the evil and establishing a new kingdom according to the Torah. Many, including Jesus himself, thought that he was this Messiah and that’s why he was seen as a threat to the Roman occupiers.
    Again, it was later in the first century when this new religion had spread among the gentiles and the oral stories were written down that the very Jewish nature of Jesus was white washed out of the story and a new religion was born.
    Even in the letters of Paul, which were written 40-50 AD, you can see the separation from the Jewish roots of Jesus. James, the brother of Jesus and so respected that even the Romans knew him as James the Just, had taken over as head of the Jesus Movement in Galilee after the death of his dear brother. Paul, who never met or heard Jesus, became hostile towards James as he took ;his new religion to the gentiles. James was keeping the movement fully Jewish as it was during the life of Jesus but Paul discarded the Jewish rituals and marginalized the very movement that started the whole thing.
    If you start with Paul’s letters, then Mark and on to John and look only for references to all things Jewish, you will see a steady and steep rise in anti-semitism that grew vicious by the second century.
    The Bible has always been a mystery and we all find different meaning and truths from it’s pages. What is crystal clear for one is hidden to another. I for one have learned a great deal from reading comments on this blog. The important thing for me is to keep my mind open to new insights and always challenge my beliefs. Surely if they are sound they can stand up to scrutiny. Peace

  • Ron McPherson

    Beautifully stated!

  • VisionaryJax

    yes, yes, yes! fear is the enemy, the opposite of love — when we’re afraid, we draw back to protect ourselves — but 1 john reminds us perfect love casts out fear — when we trust God’s love, we don’t have to be afraid, because we know he has us in the palm of his hand. we can be fearless in love. :)

  • The idea that the Bible is a perfect book defies the fact that we have long, long since chosen to ignore a number of its supposed perfections as clear imperfections. The entire debate about the bible’s verity is on this subject alone: that to make sense of the bible’s truth we have to make sense of the bible first. And it clearly doesn’t make sense to go back and abide by rules that have been disproven or immoral, such as keeping of slaves. The Bible does not have to be “perfect” in that sense to be true. The point many of us are trying to make is that there is a moral world waiting us beyond such narrow interpretations.

  • rwgunn

    Questioning a truth will not make a truth false, so exposing yourself to another group’s interpretation should not scare you.

    On the other hand, your decision to believe something on faith does not automatically make the object of that faith true.

  • Matthew

    What is the proper place of the Bible in the life of the church? What is the proper place of the Bible in the life of the believer in Christ? How does one interpret the Bible? What does the Bible really mean? How much is for today? How much was for yesterday?

    These questions will probably not be answered to my satisfaction within my lifetime, but that doesn´t mean God couldn´t produce a perfect written revelation of Himself even if we humans think otherwise (and interpret otherwise). We must keep on “keepin on” in terms of trying to understand “rightly” what has been revealed to us in the Scriptures.

    Also … on the topic of slavery … chattel slavery which involves kidnapping, forced servitude, and ill treatment (the kind that existed in the American south for example) is certainly not biblical or even morally acceptable. However slavery in the ancient world was something altogether different I have learned and that´s the kind the Bible is speaking about I think.

  • Disagree because it was an old covenant that was abolished, not the Law itself. Jesus created a new covenant of Love – a right spirit in which the Law was to be honored – so that the old covenant would no longer rule in a legalistic way. The Commandments stand to this day. It was a covenant that was abolished, not the Law itself. We are very confused about this issue and have been teaching that the Law was made obsolete. It wasn’t. Only the former covenant. There’s a difference between the Law itself and the covenant between God and the people who received the Law.

  • So I should stop cutting my sideburns?

  • I’m being misunderstood here. I’m referring only to the Ten Commandments – not the 600+ laws that were added over time.

  • As a lover of Jesus who made a transition from the Lutheran Church (which by the way I still love) to a Pentecostal Church (In the past I called them the Holy Rollers) I have discovered that as one of your readers commented that most of the differences between Christian denominations are simply window dressing. Religion and religious denominations are not “where its at” – JESUS IS!

  • Linnea912

    Add to #8: and it’s not even biblical. The entire “Rapture” pseudotheology is loosely based on less than a half-dozen verses from the book of Daniel, and takes Revelation totally out of context. For the real skinny on the “Rapture” and for a great alternative reading of Revelation, read “The Rapture Exposed” by Barbara Rossing.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    I was speaking of the Mosaic law, not the Ten Commandments. The Mosaic law is done. The Commandments as in the Ten Commandments are our guide to being “Holy”, “God-like”, “Christ-like”, etc.

  • Let me preface by saying I’m all about the 10 commandments– however, from a theological standpoint, I don’t believe that they are to be our foundation for living in this era.

    As far as our guide to being holy or Christ like, I don’t think the 10 commandments are our guide. Many scholars think (and I am one of them) that Jesus intended the beatitudes (blessed are the ___) to be the new foundation for holy and righteous living in the same way the 10 commandments functioned as the foundation for ancient Israel. In addition, when Jesus was asked the most important commandment, he didn’t quote any of the ten.

    So I think they’re important, and I think they still carry over, but I think as far as building a Christian ethic (instead of a Jewish one) we need to be looking at the beatitudes as our foundation for God-like/Christ-like living.

    Peace

  • Ah, understand your point now. Thanks for the clarification.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    I can see where you’re coming from and I can agree with some of what you say, but not most of it. I am well aware that Jesus was a Jew and believed in the Tanakh (Old Testament); however, Jesus still broke many of the 613 Mosaic laws because He didn’t see them as binding, but as Israel’s old law. Exodus 31:18 says that the Ten Commandments were written by the finger of God and Deuteronomy 31:9 says that Moses wrote the Mosaic law. In Deuteronomy 4:36 and 5:22 it says God spoke to from the mountain out of darkness and fire to give His law and He added no more. God’s laws are the Ten Commandments; the 613 laws of Moses were Moses’s response to Israel’s disobedience to God’s laws.

    The Tanakh is completely compatible with the New Testament and they do not contradict, the difference is that the New Testament reveals the Tanakh. The New Testament explains the Tanakh just as Jesus said that no one had seen the father until they had seen Him. The Tanakh was written about what they thought about the small glimpses that they had gotten from a God who had not yet revealed Himself to them. The New Testament was written about the God that had been completely revealed to them.

    It is completely inaccurate to claim that Paul was anti-Semitic because anti-Semitism refers to hating the race of the Middle East, which is the Arabs. The Israelites were Arabs that lived in the Arab country of Israel. To claim that Paul was anti-Semitic is to claim that he hated his own race. You may be referring to the notion that anti-Semitism refers to anti-Judaism, but that is also an inaccurate depiction of Paul. Paul was a devout Jew who was trained by some of the best Pharisees of his time and he was so loyal to Judaism that he was murdering Christians until Jesus appeared to him and asked why he was persecuting Jesus. Paul then realized the error of his ways and began preaching Christ. Paul wrote angry letters about people enforcing the Jewish law as Christians because bondage to the law is something that Jesus redeemed us from and it is clear that Jesus held no respect for much of the law because he broke it without any hesitation or concern.

    I have no problem with separate interpretations and beliefs, but I find that this interpretation of scripture makes the most since for me.

  • Thank you for the clarification. I agree.

  • He quoted the summation of all 10!

  • So, back to my original point. I think we need to be careful to always discern the difference between law and LAW when we talk about the law in general. The big 10 are critical to everyday life on earth. And when Jesus was asked which of these was the greatest, he gave the summation of the first five and the last five. In other words – all 10 are the greatest. But to your point, they are to be carried out in a spirit of love, rather than a burden or a path of bondage. Today, the Jews consider the big 10 to be a supreme blessing from God. They celebrate them as God’s gift to leading a good life. Their worship is incredibly celebratory. We should take note of their perspective regarding the big 10. But even the Jews have put Mosaic law behind them as old and out-dated. God’s law was meant to stand until heaven and earth pass away as Jesus said in Matt. 5. Mosaic law was temporal for the purpose of dealing with the spiritual immaturity of God’s people. The beatitudes are the ‘attitudes’ by which the big 10 are to be approached. They are also incredibly important and eternal in nature. If we throw out the 10 and live by love and attitude alone, then we are missing half of the eternal equation. God is a God of Love and Law. It’s the most difficult balancing act that we humans encounter. But balance we must!

  • John A. C. Kelley

    I thought the same thing and had the same reasoning until I heard an excellent message on what they truly mean when shed in the light of Christ. I guess I meant that the Ten Commandments are the Ten Principles of Godliness; I didn’t say it clearly. The commandment that Jesus gave (love God and your neighbor) is the summary of the Ten Commandments. The first five are about loving God and the last five are about loving your neighbor.

    1. Have no gods before God: Stop allowing the law and your short comings come before God.

    2. No graven images: Don’t have an image of what God and people are supposed to be engraved into your mind.

    3. Don’t take the name of God in vain: Don’t refuse to identify yourself as what God says you are.

    4. Keep the Sabbath holy: Jesus is the Sabbath. The Sabbath means rest and we are to keep the Sabbath holy by living in the rest of Christ.

    5. Honor your Father and Mother: Honor Abraham and Sarah – the Jews’ Father and Mother. Honor the Abrahamic Covenant of being a blessing to all of the families on Earth.

    6. Do not kill: Don’t put your beliefs above other people’s lives.

    7. Do not commit adultery: In the Bible the male is the spirit and the female is the mind. Adultery is when your spirit is “sleeping” with unforgiveness in your mind instead of with your spirit’s wife of right thinking through Christ.

    8. Do not steal: Don’t try to tell people what you “did” to be blessed as if they have to do the same to be blessed because you are stealing God’s glory.

    9. Do not lie: Don’t do tell people that they have to do what you did to be blessed.

    10. Do not covet: Stop trying to be someone that you’re not.

    These all also line up with repentance and confession because repentance doesn’t mean asking for forgiveness and confession doesn’t mean bringing God your “dirty laundry”. Repentance comes from the Greek word metanoia: meta-to change and gnosis-mind. Metanoia means to change your mind or to line up your thoughts with God’s thoughts. Confession comes from the Greek word homologou: homou-together and logos-spoken word. Confession means to speak together with God or to speak over yourself what God speaks over you.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    I just said something somewhat similar in a comment above and then read your comment. That’s cool that others see Jesus’ commandment as the summary of the Ten.

  • DC Rambler

    Good stuff !! You make some great points..The thing is..Paul was in conflict with James and the original Jesus Movement. As the new religion spread the new converts kept the Jewish laws like circumcision and diet laws as Jesus did. When Paul told them that this was not needed he outraged James who summoned him for a conference. You can see this in Galatians and in Acts but it never is resolved. The wars of 65-70 AD that led to the second fall of the Temple was a devastating blow not only to the Jewish people but brought about the end of the original ministry of Jesus.
    It’s always bugged me that Paul claimed more authority than Jesus’ own brother and those that new him. In Paul’s letters he never mentions the life or ministry of Jesus. He seemed to know nothing of the parables, lessons, miracles or virgin birth. In teachable moments with his new church he could have pulled out a gem from Jesus but he didn’t. It would seem that Paul’s was a mystic experience based on visions.
    I know that my views are only my take on things and I in no way infer any grand knowledge..far from it..Peace

  • Cool indeed! I’m an old lady now, but I was taught to see the summations as a child.

  • YES!!! Jesus is my ROCK — you can’t go wrong with his instruction. Thank you so much for being a truth-speaker and illuminating the love of Jesus! <3

  • John A. C. Kelley

    I understand your position; however, I would need to see your evidence to be able to see your position as viable. I want specific ways that Paul contradicted Jesus. The argument that he contradicted Jesus’ followers is shaky at best because who is to say that Jesus’ followers had it all figured out? Jesus was constantly correcting them and they scattered when He died. For Paul to be wrong, he must contradict Christ.

  • Yonah

    You didn’t catch Carol’s point. There was no OT Law on divorce. There was Jewish practice and oral tradition of what Moses allowed, but legally, divorce was an unsettled issue. Jesus does not so much disagree with law as operate within the Jewish tradition of always revising law. Your point about Jesus disagreeing with the OT doesn’t make much sense in the context of you having already pointed out that there contradictions within the Bible. Yes there are….including within the OT. The OT does not always agree with the OT. This is a chief lesson that OT professor Walter Brueggemann teaches. Jewish law (and tradition) has never stayed still.

  • Joe

    JST, Luke 16:16–23.

    Compare Luke 16:16–18

    16 And they said unto him, We have the law, and the prophets; but as for this man we will not receive him to be our ruler; for he maketh himself to be a judge over us.

    17 Then said Jesus unto them, The law and the prophets testify of me; yea, and all the prophets who have written, even until John, have foretold of these days.

  • Joe

    Problem with the beatitudes in the Bible is that they left out some important words when they put the Bible together, they left out “who believeith in Me” among other things..

  • Don Lowery

    Great book which opens up the true message of Revelation that the whole book is about giving hope to those in a bad situation…as well as worshiping God. The Psalms are the closest thing to this in the Old Testament.

    Have just started “The Good News About Revelation” on the Kindle by Larry Helyer and Ed Cyzewski. From the excerpt I’ve read previously…am expecting to enjoy it more than Ms. Rossing’s book.

  • Don Lowery

    What’s the fun in that when you have self-proclaimed prophets who claim that God is punishing the United States by not following all ten of them and posting them everywhere to remind those of us who don’t worship these prophets what we have to look forward to? ;)

  • John A. C. Kelley

    I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying; could you clarify?

  • Joe

    I was just giving how the original Luke 16: 16-18 read.

  • Anthony

    Fear is not an enemy, in my world. Fear is a server of love at root, who became distorted during it’s mission. Well; we all become misguided sometimes.
    All is love. Love is all there is. All is from and for love, yes even fear.
    Blessings all

  • DC Rambler

    The original movement remained for some time. Much is written about them in and outside Biblical history. http://tinyurl.com/l3mjbge

  • gimpi1

    You’re right. That Evil One would be my husband, who does not care for chocolate, especially dark chocolate. The Evil One dislikes darkness, who knew?

  • Stacey (the kids’ Aunt Tasty)

    Actually a reread of the whole thing might do him some good. Poor kitty.

  • gimpi1

    Just a quick question, you don’t want to see them as secular law, right? I mean you don’t want to execute Buddhists or Hindus or people who work the Sunday shift at 7-11, right?

  • gimpi1

    I’m afraid chattel slavery is quite biblical. Slavery in the ancient world was often chattel slavery, and it was condoned in the Old Testament. The rule was that you couldn’t keep a fellow jew in chattel slavery. You could enslave prisoners of war, members of other tribes, or buy slaves from outsiders and treat them as chattel. These verses were used as a defense of slavery by the American South, back in the day.

    Another patheos blogger has written on it. Here’s a link:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2014/08/yes-biblical-slavery-was-the-same-as-american-slavery/

  • My ex is a vanilla man. Worse: I gave birth to a vanilla lover. But my son is otherwise a wonderful man.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    Actually, you gave the Joseph Smith Translation with no backing in the original Greek of the Bible.

  • John A. C. Kelley

    I appreciate the source, but it said nothing and had absolutely nothing to do with the conflict between Paul and James, nor did it mention how Paul contradicted Jesus.

  • Thank you Benjamin, a very thoughtful column. Being a new Christian of only 12 years, I have struggled with many of the points you have made. I particularly like point 3 and 4.

  • Wonderful comments Eve. Especially #8.

  • I am sorry for both of you, French Vanilla is the best.

  • Thank you Linnea912, I will have to get that book.

  • Thank you for this John.

  • Thanks again.

  • Ron McPherson

    I find it odd that someone who apparently prides themselves on so thoroughly disbelieving everything about the Christian faith would bother to read a blog concerning the Christian faith. Not only that, but to devote the time and energy in trying to convince those of us within the faith community that we have it all wrong is even stranger. The tone of your comments seem to reflect a motive not born from reason, but rather to be rooted in resentment and anger.

    I don’t believe in flying pink elephants. But if someone wanted to blog about them it wouldn’t bother me in the least. Nor would I passionately try to convince them that there was no such thing as the subject of their blog.

  • Th

    I say fear is a servant of Life, and Life is a servant of Love. So Love is fear’s Grandmother. Since our nervous systems emanated from/evolved within God, and because this place isn’t perfect, fear can highjack the whole system. It’s rarely useful except when we are in immediate mortal danger. That’s what worry and anxiety are: mentally (re)activated fear that rarely serves any fruitful purpose in contemporary society. Salvation includes good mental health, here and now. God works with us in myriad ways to meet and overcome the challenges presented by Creation: original challenge, not original sin. God always responds to this challenge with Original Blessing. God’s omnipresent Living grace already undergirds this whole adventure to begin with.

    I often say, we are born from Love, we journey with Love, and we return to Love. For the sake of this blog in particular, I add “ALL OF US” as a necessary retainer.

  • Soli Gloria

    Thanks for sharing.

  • Barry Davies

    When it’s stated ‘The differing accounts actually show that there wasn’t an attempt by the disciples to “get their story straight” but instead is an authentic eye witness testimony on each account.’ Does sit well with me. When we know that the gospels are not written eye witness accounts, and they were written sometime (20-30 yrs ?) after the life of Jesus by people who where not present.

  • Matthew

    Thanks so much gimpi1. I was not aware of this argument nor the article. I did read through it and all I can say is:

    1. I am certain there is a rebuttal somewhere out there. Isn´t there always :-)??

    2. Although the OT might speak about chattel slavery, it would seem to me that under the New Covenant there certainly would be no room for it. Even Paul talks about a slave trying to get freedom if possible.

  • Y. A. Warren

    I say that fear is anti-love because it is lacking in understanding and acceptance. Awe is complete openness to understanding and acceptance. I say fear is not the same as awe, though they can feel the same. If we reinterpreted the word “fear” to “awe” in speaking of The Sacred Spirit, we may end war.

    I was in awe of the power of Hurricane Katrina as it swept away my home, but I didn’t fear it because i had understood what was coming and prepared myself for accepting it.

    Fear fuels anger. Awe fuels enlightenment.

  • I learnt some time ago, that the opposite of faith is certainly NOT doubt: it is FEAR! And it is the fear of doubting that paralyses many Christians.

  • VisionaryJax

    thank you dicentra! i am glad you relate. :)

  • Terri

    This is awesome. I would just say that if I woke up one day and became a pedophile (no, that won’t happen), God would be mad at me. As God should. As everybody should. It is not intrinsically evil to be angry–add that to the list of things my pastor should’ve told me early in life!–and indeed God was angry a number of times in the Bible. Usually over powerful people perpetrating gross injustice and cruelty on others because they could. I recall a verse about whoever offends one of these children would do better to have a millstone hung about his neck and be dropped into the ocean.”

    There’s a place for righteous wrath. But in the Bible, it’s not for sinners who are out there just trying to be good people and live life–whether those people are Christian or not. In the Bible, God’s anger is for those who misuse their power to hurt the innocent and powerless.

  • VisionaryJax

    would god be mad at you, though, or would he be mad at whatever it was that twisted and corrupted you inside to turn you into a monster? the very fact that you say, ‘no, that won’t happen’ shows that you are grounded in the healing love of god that keeps your desires in tune with god’s desires — you won’t go out and purposely harm another person because you’re beginning to love as god loves …

    but if you were brought up in church where they taught right and wrong, but simultaneously you were abused by an adult, so your desires went haywire and became perverted — no matter that you knew right from wrong — and as an adult you couldn’t stop yourself from that heinous act … is god mad at you, or at the evil that was perpetrated on you that made you into a predator?

    because really, if he is going to reserve the right to get mad at you about it, maybe he should have protected you from the evildoer or the chemical imbalance or whatever it is that made you a monster, you know? but i don’t think it works like that, or else i would have a more compassionate outlook than god does, and how would that be possible?

    if you use your power to hurt the innocent, it’s because something happened to corrupt your own fellowship with god and sense of empathy — maybe god is mad at whatever caused that to happen to you — but mad at you for being what this world made of you? i don’t see it.

    the jesus of my journey is a friend of sinners. whatever the sin. i don’t see any righteous wrath in him– just love, forgiveness, mercy and grace. but that’s just my thought, of course. others may have different experiences.

  • Th

    I agree with all this. Fear is a servant of Life in that its one job is to keep us alive (which, consequently, is the ego’s one job. It knows it has a 100% chance of total failure at its one task- today could be the day it fails- which is why it can act the way it does, if Spirit is not in the driver’s seat.)

    lf your house was burning down, it was 3 in the morning and you otherwise had no energy, fear would alert you to a problem and adrenaline would help you escape. Fear can very quickly highjack the system absent mortal danger.

  • Th

    In all my years of listening to justifications of the Biblical endorsement of chattel slavery, I have never once heard a good one. If this isn’t reason enough to be convinced of the Bible’s fallibility, I don’t know that anything else could be.

    I’m tired of watching people force themselves to worship a collection of books. After a while it starts to get really sad. The Bible is not God.

  • Y. A. Warren

    Yes, Josh, you are right about this animal instinct. What I have found to be the anecdote to victimization by my animal instincts is information and planning. This is why people conduct fire drills and other emergency response activities; it helps them respond rather react to their animal instincts. This is also why I embrace science over religion.

  • Have fun back over on the other places that let you troll… you’re not going to here.

  • gimpi1

    Yes. that’s one profound advantage to not requiring that The Bible be inerrant. Wether you believe that God was misinterpreted, that God’s morality is evolving along with ours, or that the Bible doesn’t necessarily reflect God, you can simply accept that the Biblical endorsement of slavery is wrong, no fancy-dancing needed.

  • gimpi1

    Well, from my perspective, it’s an easy call. Slavery is wrong. Treating fellow human-beings as property is wrong. It was always wrong. No Biblical justification can change that.

    But, since I don’t need to believe that the Bible is inerrant in order to see some value in it, it’s not an issue for me.

  • Kerry Thomas

    All heresy!
    Everyone knows it’s Blue Bell Moo-linium Crunch……or maybe the new Magic Cookie Bar. :)

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat 19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female… (What? 1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John 14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Hello? Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Peace unto you! Let the WORD speak, rather than man: Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Wake up!! Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Please read carefully! Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    My response to this article! Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    What you were not told… Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • Jeff Preuss

    I usually prefer my spam the Hawaiian way – in a nice loco moco.

    Spam THIS way just tastes stale.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Being a Christian of 34-years, here is what I believe Jesus response would be to this Article… Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Benjamin L. Corey is no Truth-Speaker for the most part and is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Great!! If you love Jesus and are really all about Him, you will also LOVE HIS WORD. Here is what Jesus said, regarding this article… Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Here is full scriptural clarification below, regarding ALL the points in this article… Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • JamesPaul Revere

    The testimonies of Apostles were written while they lived, between 35-70ad, before Titus plundered and scattered all of Israel…

  • JamesPaul Revere

    Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher. This article is nothing but sheer
    poppy-cock seeking disciples of doubt, who in turn foster doubt in
    others! Any guesses on how many times Jesus quoted scripture? Do you
    know what Jesus said about scripture? Jesus believed the written words
    of scripture to be Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable. Take a
    gander below:

    John 10:35 …and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written
    Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
    Mat 26:24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him:
    Mat 26:31 Jesus said, you shall be offended of me this night: for it is written…
    Mar 7:6 Jesus said, Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written
    Mar 9:13 But I say unto you… as it is written of him.
    Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him:
    Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written,
    John 8:17 It is also written in your law…
    Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did…
    Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law…
    Mat
    19:4 Jesus answered and said, Have ye not read, that he which made
    them at the beginning made them male and female… (What?
    1-male/1-female?)
    Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying…
    Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture…
    Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses…
    Luk 6:3 And Jesus said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did…
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    WHAT DID THE APOSTLES/PROPHETS SAY ABOUT SCRIPTURE?
    Psalms 138:2 for You have magnified THY WORD above all thy name!
    Psalms 119:9 Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
    Psalms 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
    Psalms 119:17 Deal bountifully…that I may live; So will I observe thy word.
    Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven

    John 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the
    word which Jesus had said.

    2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given
    by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
    correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
    perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    1Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached unto you.

    2Peter
    1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
    any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the
    will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
    Ghost.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM AND DOUBTS WILL FLEE:
    Heb
    11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
    cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them
    that diligently seek him.

    James 1:5-8 If any of you lack
    wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and
    upbraides not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith,
    nothing wavering. For he that doubts Him is like a wave of the sea
    driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he
    shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in
    all his ways.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL:
    Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man
    Romans 3:4 Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written…
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    BENJAMIN
    L. COREY IS A LIAR AND JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH, TRUSTED IN SCRIPTURE AND
    ASKS US TO TRUST IN HIM AND HIS WORD RATHER THAN THE WORDS AND TEACHINGS
    OF MEN… After all Jesus also said:

    Luke 24:44 Jesus said,
    These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
    that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of
    Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    John
    14:24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
    him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that
    loves me not keeps not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
    but the Father’s who sent me.

    John 12:48 He that rejects me
    and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have
    spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

  • VisionaryJax

    peace be unto you, too. :) i think you’re a beloved child of god, just like ben corey.

    just to help you make your points in a way that’s more likely to be considered by others, let me suggest you read this blog post and act accordingly:

    http://theamericanjesus.net/?p=10563

    the #1 point is: don’t post a thousand bible verses you think prove your point and nothing else.

    you will be better received if you make a reasonable, respectful response. read the article — it’s good, and you can do it. i have faith in you.

  • Pro-tip: you’ll probably get a better reception if you put some thought and effort into your comments, instead of just hitting copy/paste fifteen times.

  • I am not sure where you got the idea that I don’t love Jesus Word. I simply commented that the differences between many denominations have more to do with man-made traditions than with a belief in Jesus Christ as the son of the true and living God. It might surprise you to know that I am familiar with the scriptures you referred me to, and that I believe in the inerrancy of God’s Word. I believe that everything in the Bible was God breathed. I also believe in God’s grace and that we are not to sit in judgment of others…..that is God’s job. Attacking and condemning others that you don’t know based on an innocent comment on a website does not seem very Christ like. We are called to speak the truth in love, and I feel you missed the mark.

  • 2thePoint

    “modern end-times rapture garbage” is based on the LIE that the Rapture
    teaching was invented in the middle ages. Such arrogant ignorance! See
    instead http://www.fether.net/index.php?page=refuting-slander-against-the-pre-trib-rapture/

  • That’s the weakest rebuttal I’ve ever heard. Instead of saying “here’s proof the idea of a rapture existed before 1824” it simply argues “the catholic church would have covered it up in history.” Sounds like the true ignorance is ignoring basic historical facts.

  • 2thePoint

    You apparently didn’t read the whole response but only skimmed quickly for keywords. I also cited a very early source, but you ignored that.

    Anyway, the full rebuttal to anti-Rapture is there for anyone who hasn’t already made up their mind and gone all “fundie” about it. The major point is that the Rapture is taught in the Bible, not who first talked about it since the NT was finished.

    So I could say you gave the “weakest rebuttal I’ve ever heard” to my document. Instead of taking snippets and segments from someone’s long rebuttal, next time try actually reading the whole thing.

  • 2thePoint

    What happened to my reply here?

  • gimpi1

    You want to know what I read in your bombast? ME! ME! Everybody look at ME!

    I don’t share your beliefs. Shouting them at me is not going to make me share them. Screeching Divinely Inspired, Trustworthy and Believable won’t make me share them. You’re not communicating, you’re pontificating.

    Ben engages. Ben [appears to] listen. Ben [appears to] care about other people’s experience. That’s much more likely to draw someone like myself in, make me think about his views. His willingness to put himself out, endure discomfort, actually put himself at risk to help other people makes me believe his views could have merit.
    [Bracketed qualifiers used since I don’t actually know Ben.]

    You, on the other hand, will be ignored. By everyone.

  • I am a little dismayed at some of the comments made about your article Benjamin. In particular the lengthy one from JamesPaul Revere. Now to try and make sense of all this.

  • WilmRoget

    “Benjamin L. Corey is a False Teacher.”

    Not according to the test Jesus gave. But you do bear evil fruit, and that is what reveals a false teacher.

  • WilmRoget

    It is no different from the homophobes who post to GLBTQ websites, and chime in on every positive GLBTQ story at Huffpost. Prejudiced people need to articulate their prejudice in public, preferably at the people they are prejudiced against, in order to get the ego-rush that prejudice is all about. How else can they feel superior if they don’t tell us how wrong we are?

  • WilmRoget

    mmmmm yummy – slanderspam.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o

  • One might argue that, since even the people who know us best only know what we show them, the bracketed qualifiers are unnecessary :-P

    But I’m just being contrary for no good reason, don’t mind me.

  • WilmRoget

    spammity spam, wonderful spam

  • Will you be having the spam, spam, spam, spam, sausage, eggs, and spam?

  • Ron McPherson

    By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. (John 13:35)

  • Melanie Collins Pennock

    Sorry, but you are typical of the people with whom I grew up in the church. You have taken scriptures out of context. My father was a Bible teacher for years. I know how it goes. Open Bible, find a scripture in one book, the go to another book and point out how they are the same. I respect your right to believe in your way. Please respect mine.

  • Melanie Collins Pennock

    Very nice reply. I just wish that people would not post in an inflammatory way. Also, James Paul Revere is spamming by posting the same thing over and over! Peace be with you.

  • Melanie Collins Pennock

    Jesus said that Benjamin L. Corey is a False teacher?……..I rather doubt it!

  • paizlea

    I’ve never written this before, but it seems so apropos:

    TL; DR

    If you would take the time to construct a well-reasoned refutation to Benjamin’s article, I’d read what you had to say. Instead, you’re just listing a bunch of Bible verses and assuming I want to connect the dots. Not all of us here are familiar with the Bible, or even consider ourselves Christian. It’s your job to convince me you’re right using reasonable and civil speech. Otherwise, you’re just a troll.

    And for the record, you’re not winning any points lodging personal attacks at someone most here consider a thoughtful writer as well as an excellent example of a follower of Christ. You’re acting like the sort of Christian that drove many of us away from the faith. Is that what you want?

    Take the time to convince me you’ve got something valuable to say, and I’ll be happy to consider your argument. Otherwise, please just stop copy-pasting the same thing over and over. It’s annoying.

  • VisionaryJax

    thanks melanie! i didn’t realize it was just cut and pasted over an over. i am sure he can get the hang of respectful dialog if he tries. peace to you too! :)

  • WilmRoget

    assuming it comes with the viking serenade, yes.

  • Linnea912

    I agree, Justin. I was exposed to a pretty fundamentalist theology in high school and college. Result? When I *did* come back to faith many years later (long story!) I deliberately avoided anything that smacked of traditional/fundie theology, but I was afraid that I was doing it “wrong” and that I would be condemned to hell. Also, every time I try to pray or meditate, all I can “hear” is those old voices telling me I’m condemned because I don’t believe every last word the Bible says, or because I don’t believe Jesus is the “only way to God,” etc.

    I’m still fighting the battle. Some days are better, some days are worse.

  • Linnea912

    Now there’s one I have to look up!

  • Matthew

    Re: #10

    An author of a book my wife is reading states that basically the post modern world has made a virtue out of doubt. He contends that it´s not wrong to have convictions as a believer. I suppose this can lead into a discussion about absolute truth and so on and what the Book of James really means when it talks about doubting being wrong. I guess there must be a third way between saying we really cannot know anything and “My view of the Bible is the right one”. I´m hoping over time this blog and other resources will help me find that “third way”.

  • Stony

    It is not a Christian’s place to convince you of anything. Christ only instructed his followers to share the good news of how He made it possible for mankind to have a relationship with God through His death and resurrection. If after sharing this, it was not received with acceptance, His followers were to shake the dust from their feet and move on to the next group with which to share. If you are convinced by anything anyone says to you, then you could be convinced by the next person to believe something different.
    If you are truly seeking God, I would tell you to first pray for God to guide and make clear to you the message He has in His word, the Holy Bible. Pray that He will provide understanding. Just to give you a jumping off point, I suggest beginning with the first four books of the New Testament, then the rest of the New Testament. If led to read further and as your understanding grows, you can then read the Old Testament. Remember to pray before each session, to be patient, and to wait on God to reveal to you His divine and perfect will for your life.
    When God reveals Himself to you and becomes real in your life, you will have that relationship that He desires to have with each one of us. This is what you can not get from any mortal person, and once you have it, no person will ever be able to take it from you. It will be real in your heart, and it is forever.