Charisma Mag: Donald Trump Is The New Word of God

Charisma Mag: Donald Trump Is The New Word of God July 29, 2015

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I’m not going to lie, what I just read is the dumbest thing I’ve read in my life. I’m not trying to be overly or unnecessarily critical, either. It just really, truly, is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. I had to read it three times to make sure it wasn’t the Onion.

Charisma Mag (I know, I know… I stopped reading them a while ago, but this one came in my FB feed a few times) is broadcasting a prophesy from God: He hath sent us His Holiness Donald Trump (peace and blessings be upon him) to be his mouthpiece (or trumpet, as the prophesy went).

Prophet Jeremiah Johnson says that God spoke to him recently, and God told him he is going to speak to America through Trump himself. Here’s the entire “prophesy”:

“I was in a time of prayer several weeks ago when God began to speak to me concerning the destiny of Donald Trump in America. The Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, “Trump shall become My trumpet to the American people, for he possesses qualities that are even hard to find in My people these days. Trump does not fear man nor will he allow deception and lies to go unnoticed. I am going to use him to expose darkness and perversion in America like never before, but you must understand that he is like a bull in a china closet. Many will want to throw him away because he will disturb their sense of peace and tranquility, but you must listen through the bantering to discover the truth that I will speak through him. I will use the wealth that I have given him to expose and launch investigations searching for the truth. Just as I raised up Cyrus to fulfill My purposes and plans, so have I raised up Trump to fulfill my purposes and plans prior to the 2016 election. You must listen to the trumpet very closely for he will sound the alarm and many will be blessed because of his compassion and mercy. Though many see the outward pride and arrogance, I have given him the tender heart of a father that wants to lend a helping hand to the poor and the needy, to the foreigner and the stranger.

God has given Trump a tender heart to help the poor and immigrants? People will be blessed by his compassion? Apparently God hasn’t been watching the news. Or seen his twitter feed. Or met him.

Essentially, here’s what Charisma News is saying: Donald Trump is becoming the new Word of God and we need to carefully listen to The Don (peace and blessings be upon him) to discover whatever it is God is telling us.

I’m sorry, but I’m waving a ginormous BS flag on this one. newbsThis is the kind of nonsense that causes folks to be skeptical of Charismatics, and end up making us all look silly via guilt by association.

You want to find out what God wants to say to America?

Here’s a novel idea: let’s open our Bibles and find out what Jesus already said. You know, the Word of God himself?

Please folks, don’t buy into garbage like this. Want to be Charismatic? Wonderful, I’m a little bit myself. But for the love of Lemmy, please stop looking to political leaders when you should be looking to Jesus. It’s called idolatry. And, when you make your idol someone like Donald Trump (peace and blessings be upon him) the idolatry crosses over into pure silliness.


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  • Timothy Hawk

    Wow, what to say to that. I am flabbergasted that Charisma would print such nonsense.

  • PinkyAndNoBrain

    I literally couldn’t stop laughing throughout that entire quote. I tend to be very skeptical of charismatic/prophetic faith in general (us Lutherans tend to be a bit more “sit down, shut up, and please stop waving your hands in the air like we’re at a rave,” so a lot of that is probably my upbringing), but . . . wow. Is anyone buying this?

  • StRalph

    PropheCy, silly. Prophesy is a verb.

  • StRalph

    Seriously, I’m delighted to hear that Donald Trump is going to start proclaiming the word of God. But let me know when he actually gets started.

  • Melanie Collins Pennock

    But Ted Cruz’s father already was told by God that his son was the next POTUS! I wish all of them would go away!

  • He still can be. I re-read the article. It doesn’t prophesy that Trump will become President. Just that he’s going to say some important things. I wish it did, though. I had a wonderfully snarky response from Deuteronomy 18:21-22 all ready.

  • This atheist is taking a day off from lambasting Christianity, choosing instead to sip raspberry lemonade as Charisma does a bang up job of it for me.

  • Matt Jacobs

    Gah! The Trump-worship has hit new lows.

    How is it that people seem to keep thinking that a person who insists they are always right, and refuses to apologize, must therefore be telling the truth? Trump isn’t “speaking truth”, just very attractive lies, that he appears to believe himself.

  • Jeanne Fox

    Charisma Magazine needs to learn that politicians can never be messiahs. The German people found that out the hard way: the chief of the United trade unions declared, “Adolf Hitler! We are united with you alone! We want to renew our vow in this hour: on earth we believe only in Adolf Hitler. We believe that National Socialism is the sole saving faith of our people. WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LORD GOD IN HEAVEN, WHO CREATED US, WHO LEADS US, WHO DIRECTS US. AND BLESSES US VISIBLY. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS LORD GOD SENT ADOLF HITLER TO US, so that Germany might become a foundation for all eternity.” (Emphasis mine).

  • Lo, as I was testing dry erase markers to determine which among them still had ink, behold – the fumes did causeth me to be caught up in the spirit. And I looked and I saw a throne, as it were, carried on the backs of four creatures with eyes all around.

    And a voice came from the midst of the throne and saith,

    “Cease thy reading of Charisma magazine this instant, for lo, they are morons. Some of them are well intentioned. Some of them are whitewashed tombs. But all of them are dumb as the offal of canines. From their silly blood moon observations to their suggestions that Muslims ought be executed to their Seven Steps for Casting Demons Out of Lutherans, they speaketh not for Me. Yea, many are not even full of the Spirit, but are instead full of a word that also doth begin with ‘s’ and end with ‘t.’ Seal up thy copies of Charisma and reveal them not until the Last Day, in which I will turn them back into the trees from whence they came.”

  • I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.

  • Mark Edward

    You know they published an article calling for genocide of all Arabs and Muslims (because they’re the same thing?) just a few months back, right?

  • CowtownMD

    I’m not even pentecostal/charismatic, but your comment shows how judgement of someone’s personality causes divisions in the Church. Read Acts. People danced and got freaky. If you don’t do that, fine, but if someone is joyful in the spirit and want to raise their hands raving for God, it’s not your place to judge them.

  • PinkyAndNoBrain

    I’m sorry I gave you that impression; I thought it was clear that my skepticism and discomfort with that kind of dancing worship is a personal reaction based on my personality and upbringing (and some well-meaning but hurtful people who told me that God didn’t send me prophecies or tell me to lift my hands in the air because I wasn’t trying hard enough) as opposed to a judgement, but I’m sorry that I failed at expressing that to you. That rave comment was totally a joke, though, and the only thing I would judge as wrongheaded (even then, not necessarily sinful, just misguided) is that Trump is the new word of God. That was the “this” I couldn’t believe people were buying.

    I’m not entirely convinced divisions in the Church are a bad thing, though, as long as they remain intellectual and don’t become nasty. Views on the Sacraments, good works, etc. can differ, and I think it’s healthier to allow for that kind of disagreement, even if it means different denominations, rather than trying to make people fit into a worship style they don’t feel comfortable in (like me desperately trying to hear God’s voice); as long as we’re all following Christ, who really cares, right?

    That being said, I do tend to be skeptical of prophecies, or any sort of God speaking to people through anything but the Bible for this very reason. I think it’s rather easy to convince ourselves that our own thoughts are God’s (or vice versa), and that kind of feelings-based faith is not for me.

  • PinkyAndNoBrain

    What?!

  • PinkyAndNoBrain

    Because we love the idea of being “true to ourselves” and “sticking to our guns,” even if those guns are pointing directly in our faces. It’s kinda this weird Western idolization of independence (which so easily can become arrogance masquerading as independence).

  • paganheart

    “But for the love of Lemmy…” Motorhead reference?

    Maybe cranking up “Ace Of Spades” will rid my brain of the idea of Trump as “the Lord’s trumpet.” Any God that would use Donald Trump as a prophetic voice is a God I want absolutely nothing to do with….

  • Buhari

    Charisma has printed worse… nothing new here.

  • Will Rogers

    Don’t you talk about my savior Donald in those terms! That’s blasphemy!!

  • otrotierra

    Wow. Ben, I made the mistake of visiting the post at Charisma and then read through the comments. I had no idea U.S. fundamentalists were so hungry for lies and deception.

  • Larry TheKeyboardist Blake

    That is what I call a false prophet.

  • I’m alternating between giggles and staring in shock at my laptop screen.
    Although I do feel for the people who believe this.

  • And raspberry lemonade must be enjoyed properly.

  • otrotierra

    I agree, and I believe Ben would agree as well, though a helpful target in his conclusion is really the matter of idolatry. The two are related, but I would appreciate a future examination of false prophecy. There are different kinds of false prophesies and different false prophets. There’s millionaire David Wilkerson, millionaire Pat Robertson, multimillion dollar corporations such as Focus On The Family (and their “letter from the future”). I know this topic isn’t Benjamin’s thing right now, but we could learn much from a careful analysis of false prophecy and why U.S. Evangelicals in particular enjoy consuming it so much.

  • Anne Haines

    Phil this is genius.

  • Anne Haines

    And The Donald says he is is a Presbyterian- who knew?

  • CroneEver

    Talk about desperately seeking tyrant for new empire-building, absolute certainty, and bad hair…

  • While I agree wholeheartedly with you, I found myself imagining a prophet foretelling that Saul would become the mouthpiece of God to Christians in his day. Apparently it is possible for God to do crazy things, but this one would beat all.

  • Herm

    … and here I thought God knew exactly where Barack Hussein Obama II was born, at least as well as the NSA and FBI.

    Why is it that we keep looking for another savior to speak for God when we have a perfectly good One leading every humble heart and mind asking, seeking and knocking for the Truth today?

    The Word did not stop at the end of Revelations. We pen new books by the Word every thoughtful and feeling day just waiting to be compiled into hard copy for the masses who don’t know Him to begin a relationship with Him.

    The cards are stacked in favor of our Father’s house. The deck in God’s house is infinite in potential and doesn’t begin and end with 52 plus two jokers. The real deal is that the game will not end with the Prince of Peace being trumped by a joker. The House of God will always win until just beyond the end of eternity.

  • Americanized Evangelicalism seeks rich, white male for the position of saving America. The ideal candidate will be ludicrously right wing and committed to keeping women, minorities, and unpopular religions in their place. Excellent wall-building skills a plus. Must be able to hold Republican convention under eyebrows.

  • Andy

    It’s working already.

  • Andy

    Didn’t Michele Bachmann say God told her she’d be president, too?

    God trolling the people who claim he speaks to them. I knew he had a good sense of humor.

  • Andy

    I’m flabbergasted that anyone would print such nonsense, but if someone were going to, I suppose an organization like Charisma would be one of the least surprising to have done it.

  • gimpi1

    Wow… I… I can’t think what to say about this. Donald Trump, the nastiest, most mean-spirited all around most obnoxious pseudo-politician I’ve ever seen in my 50+ years – is speaking for God? Really? Well, then all I can say is that God’s standards have slipped quite a bit…

    Anyone remember his private “investigation” into President Obama’s birth? The “private investigator” he sent to Hawaii? The one that was “uncovering amazing things?” The “amazing things” that Mr. Trump was going to reveal during the last presidential election. The “amazing things” that never surfaced, because President Obama was simply born in Hawaii, and there was nothing to find. Anyone else remember all that egg on Mr. Trump’s face? Egg that apparently didn’t stick, since he’s still drawing crowds. No accounting for taste.

    Mr. Trump is just the latest in the “Howard Hughes, Michael Jackson et all phenomena. When you’re so rich that you almost never come in contact with anyone who you don’t employ or have some power over, your sense of realty gets badly skewed. No one is willing to risk their livelihood by saying, “Germs aren’t that big a risk, wearing Kleenex boxes on your feet is silly,” or “Your nose is narrow enough, don’t have any more surgery,” Mr. Trump most likely hasn’t had any real reality-checks in decades. He sorely needs them.

  • gimpi1

    Yes. I’ve always thought that “sticking to our guns” even in the face of overwhelming evidence that we’re wrong is not something to be admired, but I appear to be a minority in this, at least in the U.S.

    I also don’t think changing your mind when you discover you were wrong about something isn’t being “wishy-washy” or flip-flopping. I think it’s what any reasonable person does. We apparently don’t want reasonable people in power. Sad, that.

  • Dan Dupree

    Well, a Trump presidency could bring on an apocalypse.

  • I worked for several CEOs and I can confirm the warped reality of the rich. No one tells them no, at least not to their face. It does indeed distort their sense of reality. They start to believe their own hype and become increasingly defensive about criticism. I suppose that would be true of anyone but most of us have to deal with people who aren’t on our payroll or who don’t want/need something from us in every interaction so we get a steady does of the reality that we aren’t “all that”.

    I have been baffled by the idolatry of the religious right for some time. Politicians are probably the worst people to put on that kind of pedestal. And worse, they have once again chosen someone who isn’t even one of them. Trump claims to attend Marble Collegiate Church while saying he’s Presbyterian. (The Collegiate Churches of NYC are Dutch Reform.) He makes bizarre statements about religion, but none of that seems to matter to his fans. And now he’s some sort of Tea Party messiah? False prophet is more like it. Or even more likely a huckster telling them what they want to hear to continue inflating his own ego as well as his wallet.

  • If we had concocted a diabolical plot to make Christianity look foolish and less appealing to young people, we couldn’t come up with anything as successful as what the Evangelicals are doing on their own.

  • otrotierra

    I’m reminded of George W. Bush pompously claiming “Christ” to be his favorite philosopher during a televised debate when running for president. When kindly asked to explain, Bush couldn’t answer and behaved like a spoiled 10-year old. A true evangelical favorite. Saying the word “Christ” on the tv sure is fun!

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Another sad commentary on the Jesus- deficit in Christendom in the US. Donald Trump has the heart of a tyrant, and if global corporate power wants him to be thenext president, he will.be. Period. Let us pray for him, shall we, and forget about him. The first century followers of Jesus did not give the State legitimacy by participating in its processes. How about us doing as they did by turning our full attention to applying and teaching the words/example of Jesus in our own lives and communities…..and let the dead bury their dead.

  • Bush also claimed to have conquered his alcoholism through Bible study but when asked what Bible passages helped him the most he couldn’t come up with even one. Who has done Bible study but can’t quote or at least paraphrase any scripture?

  • gimpi1

    I think this “Howard Hughes” factor contributed to the last economic meltdown. Think of the corporate culture of Countrywide Mortgage, Washington Mutual, Lehman Brothers… in the corporate world, there is very seldom a reward for giving reality checks. No one wants to hear “That’s unworkable,” or “That’s too risky,” or “That will cost us much more than it will save.” Those loyal employees who valued the company’s survival over their bonuses and spoke up generally got the boot.

    In general, I feel the conservative Christian movement has done a pretty poor job of selecting role models. They seem to fall for the latest “truth-teller” lobbing verbal bombs at whatever they are upset about at the moment – totally disregarding any warning-signs that the person in question is not only not honorable, but perhaps actively unstable. A little less rage and a little more careful reflection might just save them some embarrassment.

  • Guy Norred

    I was thinking the same thing. Can we send Trump to Damascus?

  • Guy Norred

    I think that particular “why” would be revelatory.

  • Guy Norred

    Well, she isn’t dead yet. I am not looking forward to it, but I won’t be shocked if she runs for office again.

  • Andy

    The late-night comedians are waiting with bated breath.

  • otrotierra

    Yes. What do John Hagee’s “blood moons” and Focus On The Family’s “Letter from 2012” have in common? They’re both heavy doses of political pornography tailored for U.S. evangelicals searching for any excuse to avoid The Greatest Commandment at any cost.

  • Timothy Weston

    I am not surprised. When someone talks about the Holy Spirit speaking to them, I become suspicious because the revelation agrees with their world view.

  • Timothy Weston

    “I know this topic isn’t Benjamin’s thing right now, but we could learn much from a careful analysis of false prophecy and why U.S. Evangelicals in particular enjoy consuming it so much.”

    I used to have a world view that was close to Charisma Magazine’s. They have been so bombarded with a siege mentality that any person can claim they have one and if it agrees with their world view, they will believe it. They feel that they are losing power and these “prophecies” offer a sense of hope that God is on their side.

  • PinkyAndNoBrain

    I mean, I get the fear of flip-flopping; when you say one thing to one group of people and then something else to another — particularly at the same time — then there’s something shady about that. But we’ve become so repelled by that that we mistrust people who change their minds for good reason.

  • otrotierra

    This is an excellent point and helps explain a lot. U.S. religious fundamentalists have isolated themselves—not just from the sciences, but from theology, history, and textual scholarship in general. Thus, they have severed themselves from both historical christianity as well as from global christendom at large.

    They’ve put all their eggs in a flag-draped basket of Ken Ham, Franklin Graham, Mitt Romney/Kobol, and Donald Trump. Problem is, their hate-filled viper pit of a basket looks nothing like Middle Eastern biblical history, looks nothing like the global majority of christians across the planet, and looks nothing like the future. We are not living in the “End Times” of John Hagee’s fan fiction, though the poisonous world views of religious fundamentalists are indeed in their last days.

  • CroneEver

    LOL!

  • Robin Warchol

    When I read stuff like this, it really makes me thankful that I am now Catholic. How in the world does anyone really know that God spoke to this person and the other unbelievable fact is that Charisma magazine had the brains to publish this. It gives a black eye to many very fine Charismatics out there, it makes a joke out of prophesy and it shows the utter lack of any true testing or discernment on the part of the magazine. I shake my head.

  • liberalinlove

    And now we can look forward to Armageddon.

  • liberalinlove

    When we are given gifts we are required to steward them. As members of a democracy, participating in the process is part of stewardship. To him that knows to do good and does it not, to him that is sin.
    The first century Christians did not have the options we do. Having done all stand firm. We do all we can that is humanely possible, and then we stand firm in knowing that God holds the whole world in HIS hands.

  • liberalinlove

    I see a parallel to the culture of the time of Christ, where the religious right didn’t recognized Jesus at all.
    You can’t serve two masters. Either you will love one and hate the other. Loving money is the idolatry practiced by our religious right.

  • liberalinlove

    But God always patiently gives us a choice to choose righteousness over selfishness. God gives us plenty of time to work or practice out our salvation with reverential respect. None of us will stand before Him and say I was confused. We’ll say, I loved myself more than I loved you and my neighbors.

  • rickrod

    Wow, all I can say is wow….

  • Clay Tablet

    Give us a king! Saul will do.

  • See, that right there! Finally, I leave Charisma News, come here and find some intelligence. There is another person who has been commenting on Charisma News, her name is Candie Q. She would dismantle everyone’s argument down there and all they can come up with is:

    NO!!! Are you a Christian? You can’t be Christian!!! You have ANTICHRIST spirit!!!

    I offer to help Candie out by quoting Scripture to them, then the trolls come after me, saying I am a liar and ANTICHRIST!!!

    Good night! But the thing of it is, they really don’t have anything else except for their bigotry and delusion.

  • Clay Tablet

    The lack of discernment among my Christian friends, whom I otherwise adore and admire, is quite shocking and bewildering when it comes to the Donald. He’s showing up on my Facebook feed as “someone to listen to” or “someone who tells it like it is” or something- I’m still trying to figure out what it is, exactly, they see in him- a contemptible, offensive, detestable human being. Not very intelligent, either.

    Definitely not godly, meek, just, pure, lovely, commendable, or loving. Lover of self and money, more like.

    I don’t get it. Perhaps he’s Corporate America’s Archie Bunker?

  • But for the love of Lemmy, please stop looking to political leaders when you should be looking to Jesus. It’s called idolatry. And, when you make your idol someone like Donald Trump (peace and blessings be upon him) the idolatry crosses over into pure silliness.

    You speak the truth there, Ben, my friend! And just think, I was there at Charisma mag explaining to them that not hating Muslims doesn’t mean that I am a Muslim, nor am I an ANTICHRIST spirit. Aye-yi-yi! So I really get the joke when you report JJ as saying “peace and blessings be upon him.” I think I’ll use that and really ruffle up some feathers down there!

  • Robin Warchol

    I think part of his appeal and I am not saying this in that I support or like him or agree with him is that he shoots from the hip and come off as a straight talker and as someone that is willing to “tell it like it is”. He says things obviously without thinking them through but he also is willing to stand by what he says afterwards. I think this sort of talk has appeal with people. He doesn’t sound like he care if he is politically incorrect. That is quite different from the rest of the pack. I always thought the media gave him too much attention all along. I think if he was ignored and the media focused on some of the others, he might go away. If you have Christian friends that are supporting him, ask them what they think about how he has handled his marriages, divorces, remarriages etc. That all really hasn’t been exactly traditional family type values. While I think the latest flap about Ivana is grasping at straws and bogus, I do think Christians that are now supporting him ought to pause and think about it. You can’t claim you believe in “family values” and want that and then turn around and support a man on his third marriage after divorcing the first two over affairs. It doesn’t work.

  • You said a mouthful there! That fits my observation perfectly!

  • I saw that. Commented on it… got booted off. Wasn’t exactly their flavor of Kool-Aid. They think I’m Muslim because I quoted Christ as saying “Love your neighbor.”

  • I think there was a misunderstanding. Pinky wasn’t saying that people who stand up, shout and waving their hands are somehow off — Pinky was making the point of background and why Pinky found the quote hilarious because of that quiet background. It is something new that Pinky would not have seen or thought of otherwise.

  • Totally agree with you my brother Herm! Love ya!

  • Me too! I would actually look forward to it if it wasn’t for the possibility that here in America, she might just win…

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Thank you for your comments, sister, and congratulations on being in love! I understand your position, as I once thought much as you do. You speak articulately for both Christendom on the left and Christendom on the right! Given your values, may I make a suggestion? You can have a significant impact in your own community – just as the early disciples most assuredly did in their immediate communities! What do you think of establishing direct democracy (this is something that only works on a small scale, as I’m sure you realize once you get past the propaganda) helping to develop local economies and sustainable food and water security, and participating in what Ched Myers calls “watershed discipleship”. In the face of injustice and oppression and environmental drawdown, you can – and I believe that as a disciple of Jesus, I MUST (!) — point a finger at Power and cry: “You have no right!!” But just as the first century Jesus people had no ability to change the hierarchies of power of the Roman empire by means of participating in the processes that those very elements control, with all due respect, I say the same thing applies to you in the context of the empire in which you live. There is a Way, though, to stand over against those unjust powers, the same Way rhe early church followed: and this is by living according to the example and teachings of Jesus. Verbally confront Power, but don’t take anyone’s life. Love your enemies. Have a humble heart, serve others, take care of your sisters and brothers, turn your back on the money game, and don’t worry! :-) Think about the values of the Jesus way are the exact opposite of the values of the dominant culture. Here, my friend, is where true power for change lies. Grace and peace.

  • I actually vaguely remember that LOL

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Hi! Scroll up. I left you an answer, but didn’t enter it as a reply. Sorry, I’m new at this, lol. Nlessings on your relationship. :)

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Arghh! Blessings.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    I sympathize. I could say the same thing from down here in the heart of Dixie – on any number of issues, lol. My beloved, wonderful brothers and sisters seem to be under a spell. You suppose it’s brain fog due to carbohydrate overload? :-)

  • Brandon Roberts

    ……………..I got nothing

  • Clay Tablet

    You have no idea. It’s not all of us, but the numbers are disturbing. Read this article today: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html

    “While a clear majority of Americans self-identify as Christians, most Americans outside the GOP, would be uncomfortable with conservative Dominionist theology. Dominionism calls for imposing a theocracy in America where Christianity is declared the official religion, and the nation is governed by “Biblical law”.”

    Idk, but this could be the result of the decades-long dominionist effort to turn this country into a theocracy. I really started to worry about 10 years ago when I heard supposedly educated and otherwise intelligent people insisting that “America is a Christian nation” and that the obviously, intentionally secular Constitution is not at all a secular document like “the liberal media tries to brainwash you to believe.” I knew then that dominionism was starting to gain ground within the mainstream.

  • Clay Tablet

    Carbohydrate overload and brain fog is as good an explanation as any. Although I experience my share of brain fog and, even when it’s thick as molasses, I know that Donald Trump is no prophet.

    And the spell- you’re right it is like a spell. What the heck? Still scratching my head.

  • Clay Tablet

    No. Well I guess some are. I just don’t know anymore, I’m truly at a loss on this one.

    And my faith journey is patchwork- raised Catholic, born again at a Charismatic non-denominational, now pleasantly at home in the very grounded Evangelical Covenant Church- only one degree removed from the Lutheran Church (started as home fellowships of Lutherans in Sweden). Lots of room for all sorts of views on secondary issues there, and I still believe that the gifts of the Spirit are present in modern day believers. But, I’m not buying this obvious hogwash from Jeremiah Johnson. If anything, my charismatic tendencies, and just a quick review of this “fruit,” lead me to discern that he is a false prophet.

    Edited: Jeremiah Johnson, not Jeremiah Wright lol. That reminds me, isn’t Jeremiah Johnson one of the people who got caught using Result Source to hike book sales? And taught other pastor/”authors” to do the same? His name sounds familiar.

  • Clay Tablet

    You’re probably right about the appeal of a “no apologies” type of person. It’s stupid and illogical, but yeah, I see how that might seem appealing.

    It’s not his multiple marriages and divorces that bother me- no one besides the parties involved really knows what went on. Although, you are probably correct that that might bother some of my Christian friends, especially if the person in question was a Democrat. What bothers me are the horrendous things he says and, I presume, believes. Bigoted things. Hateful things. Ignorant things. It still bewilders me that people think he’s patriotic for saying these awful things- maybe some of the other commenters are correct- he is appealing to people who believe and think the same way.

    What I still don’t understand is how anyone who is a godly follower of Christ, which I generally believe my Christian friends to be, could square these hateful, bigoted beliefs with the beautiful, loving, redemptive message of Christ. It troubles me to think that this bigotry and xenophobia has crept its way into the Church so deeply.

    On edit: and the obvious loving of money. But I fear too many Christians in this country care nothing, NOTHING, about any sin that is not sexual sin. :/

  • Clay Tablet

    Tea Party messiah. Lol.

  • Clay Tablet

    Well, I don’t think the conquering of alcoholism by Bush was exactly the truth. I’m pretty sure the guy was blitzed his entire presidency.

    Remember the pretzel incident? Day after Super Bowl Sunday, you have a big gash on your forehead. You passed out when you choked on a pretzel? Riiiiggghhht. Hmm mm.

  • Clay Tablet

    Wow.

  • Clay Tablet

    Wow, just wow.

  • Clay Tablet

    False prophesy and money, greed, and corruption also usually linked. Which makes the Donald Trump false prophecy interesting…

    Since I view televangelism and Churchianity as links in the larger corporate chain, it’s not too far of a stretch to say that perhaps there is some mutual benefit and shared interest here. Con men tend to stick together and con men who sell Jesus, wrapped in the American flag? Two birds, one stone.

  • otrotierra

    Hate-filled name-calling is a favorite tactic of religious fundamentalists. The name-calling paired with damning to hell anyone who dares to think different than they do. Wait till they hear about Jesus. They’ll be horrified.

  • otrotierra

    Makes sense. The late millionaire David Wilkerson and his million dollar radio “ministry” come to mind. Of course they didn’t return one penny even though he eventually announced he was wrong.

    If only Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye and John Hagee would stop storing up riches here on earth. Time to give back every penny earned by greed and deception.

  • otrotierra

    Indeed, when Jesus is removed, then all sorts of lustful adventures like Dominionist theology become possible.

  • gimpi1

    I think some people don’t think there’s ever a good reason to change their minds. The whole idea of examining the evidence, learning something you didn’t know before, re-examining your beliefs in light of your new knowledge, and realizing you were mistaken is not something they have ever done. Some people appear to decide their beliefs first, they cherry pick the available evidence to find things that shore up those beliefs, discarding any evidence that doesn’t “fit.”

    I refer to it as regarding facts as the accessories to your beliefs rather than the framework you build the beliefs on.

    LOVE your avatar, by the way…

    (… Pinky and the Brain, Pinky and the Brain, one is a genius, the other’s insane… :-)

  • This is really funny but the real issue is not a particular false prophesy (are there true contemporary prophecies?) but the personalization of the Christian faith. The inbuilt need for people to feel important or have a person to follow means that they either desire to be seers or yearn for a prophet they can follow. The pentecostal movement, the charismatic movement and others encourage a close-up and exclusive relationship with the almighty and its not surprising that every Tom, Dick and Harry is going to claim to have a hotline. Evangelicals are also over fond of the notion of a theocracy.

    To my mind our faith is quite democratic when at its best. When MLK said he had a dream he didn’t start off saying “God told me”. You don’t hear Jimmy Carter claiming he has a hotline to God. Wilberforce, Fry, Shaftesbury, Dickens never claimed to be prophets but were undoubtedly prophetic. Pat Robertson and Benny Hinn can claim to be prophets but we all know what they are. Its like when you hear someone calling themselves “honest Joe” you instinctively know there’s something dodgy going on.

    I think God trusts us to know when someone is prophetic, we don’t need it advertised on a huge billboard. When it looks like an apple and its hanging off an apple tree its probably an apple. Don’t trust green oranges with the label ‘Golden Delicious’.

  • It’s pretty amazing how much God sounds like whoever is telling you what He said.

  • liberalinlove

    Thanks for your thoughtful response. I am a former right-wing conservative thinker, who believed the only way we made a difference was in our own communities, living out the kingdom of God as best as humanly possible.

    It took a woman of faith, to call me on some of my thinking. While we do not trust in the arm of the flesh, nor do we give up practicing our faith within our communities, we can be part of God’s kingdom while wisely using all the resources available to us.

    The bible is full of admonitions to speak out for justice, to speak for those who have no voice, to care for the poor, to treat those with out legal status or illegal aliens as brothers fairly and justly. Entire nations were held accountable when that did not happen. We the people are part of this nation’s choices. We get to be part of the voice that speaks out on these issues with our vote.

    To sound a clear warning and declare God’s purpose and plan, is the responsibility of every Christian. To live it out in our own communities is also part of that plan. They are not mutually exclusive.

    I have watched the evolution of hate pick up speed within the confines of churches where I used to attend. It isn’t a pretty site. That anger spills over into the public square. Hating immigrants, the poor, the downtrodden. In my mind it has become a form of spiritual Darwinism. It is that Hate that will vote for a man that seethes with anger. And so I will rail against that which exalts itself against the God of my salvation.

    My voice is directed as much to the “church” more than the hierarchies that exist within government.

    May God bless every effort in bringing God’s will on earth as it is in heaven.
    May we learn to love liberally or give liberally which is a biblical precept and is why I sign off with liberalinlove.
    “Give liberally and be ungrudging when you do so, for on this account the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. Since there will never cease to be some in need on the earth, I therefore command you, ‘Open your hand to the poor and needy neighbor in your land'” (Deuteronomy 15:10-11).

  • liberalinlove

    Very well put! Thanks!

  • liberalinlove

    My dad, a pentecostal preacher has listened to Rush Limbaugh for years. I asked him about the man’s marriages and moral stance and it didn’t seem to have any significance.
    What about the verses that say Blessed is the man that does not walk in the counsel of the ungodly or the verses that talk about how God hates a man who stirs up strife.
    The same bible that would give him the right to want to dangle the feet of gays over the pits of hell, does not hold water when it comes to Rush Limbaugh. I can’t figure it out,
    Therefore I’ve become a fruit inspector. I look at James 3:17 as my measuring guide. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

  • liberalinlove

    Belief perseverance and confirmation bias. Two of the biggest reasons people look for truth in all the wrong places.

  • liberalinlove

    What about loving your enemies! Do they disagree with that one also!

  • liberalinlove

    That’s why I had to duck out when it comes to churches. I had to learn to think for myself first.

  • liberalinlove

    Trump has proudly proclaimed that he has never had to ask God for forgiveness, he just moves on and President Obama has humbly stated more than once that he is a sinner in need of forgiveness and has looked to the cross and the sacrifice of Jesus to wash away his sins. Yet we say Trump is the true believer and President Obama is a secret Muslim/Communist.

  • In Trumps world its God who needs to do the asking.

  • Matt Jacobs

    Unfortunately, when your religion serves politics, it’s your religious beliefs that begin to bend, very quickly.

  • PinkyAndNoBrain

    Agree with everything, but I don’t have anything intelligent to say except that Animaniacs was like my favorite show when I was . . . uh, in high school. (I wasn’t a super-cool kid, okay?)

  • gimpi1

    Hey, I discovered Pinky and the Brain on a recommendation from my step-daughter when I was in my 40s, so I suppose I wasn’t a super-cool middle-aged lady:-)

  • LOL —
    A thought just occurred to me. They say Jesus is returning soon. In a way, I’m hoping he doesn’t because the fundamentalist will crucify him all over again and that makes me sad.

  • Exactly what I thought…

  • Generally speaking, they know Christ said that, so instead of refuting the loving part, they resort to calling me a Muslim, or a sympathizer, or an antichrist — even though I quote a lot of Scripture — especially the red words of Christ.

  • Shiphrah99

    I’ve been binge-watching “The Newsroom” this week. In role-playing candidate debates, Maggie asked, “What does God’s voice sound like?” Hmmm….

  • Shiphrah99

    One has to have a mind in the first place before one can change it.

  • Shiphrah99

    I watched it with my kids. There was some great snark. Major reason why it had a wheelbarrow full of Peabodys.

  • Clay Tablet

    I’ve had right wing fundies call me “the worst kind of Christian,” or not a real Christian when I’ve politely asked them to stop bearing false witness against President Obama by claiming he’s a Muslim. Not a statement against Islam, but a statement for truth- the President is a Christian. And I know the intention behind those lies- it’s anti-Muslim bigotry. With a little Obama hatred and racism to boot.

    They REALLY do not like that. They pretty much go apoplectic.

  • buricco

    Just like when you hear “fair and balanced”, run for cover.

  • Croquet_Player

    “This is the kind of nonsense that causes folks to be skeptical of
    Charismatics, and end up making us all look silly via guilt by
    association.”

    “Silly”? No, it makes you look delusional and dangerous. And until Christians stand up and loudly disavow this sort of insanity, yes you are going to be viewed not just with “skepticism” but with alarm, and not just by your fellow Americans. This is the kind of thing my European friends send me links to asking what the hell is going on over here. Trump is viewed as an avaricious, loudmouthed madman – a glowing example of the very worst America has to offer – and his supporters as ignorant lunatics. He is, and they are. Anyone in their right mind should be running away from him at top speed.

  • Robin Warchol

    I remember when Pat Robertson came out and endorsed Rudy Guiliani. This is someone on his third marriage, with his second one ending after a public affair and is pro-abortion as well as partial birth abortion. So pro-life and “pro-family” Pat Robertson who once ran himself on those sorts of issues openly endorced Rudy because and according to Pat at that time, it was all about national security. You can’t have it both ways.

  • Rev. Tom

    “I am going to use him to expose darkness and perversion in America like never before.” So, Trump will make plutocracy and bombastic narcissism obvious to the masses? Well, it DOES seem to be working.

  • JenellYB

    The War against Christianity is being waged from within.

  • JenellYB

    How funny. That very same thought crossed my mind as I was reading the above, where he claims God spoke to him…. wonder what what he would say God sounds like?

  • JenellYB

    There is a line of discernment between someone that “shoots from the hip,” and one whose mouth just runs without thinking first.

  • Another is when you’re told the guy is ‘spirit filled’ which obviously means he can’t do wrong. And don’t trust anyone who keeps quoting ‘the Greek’.

  • buricco

    Oh geez, Peter Ruckman and his followers.

    Ruckman goes around saying God himself wrote the KJV word by word in 1611 and the translators were mere transcriptionists. -_-

  • Müntzer

    Trump does not need to ask because he is without fail.
    The truth of the prophecy stares you in the face and stil you choose to besmirch the messiah.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    I was once a worshipper of the State in accordance with the generally accepted notion of Christian duty in the USA. The turn-around (aka – repetence) happened for me when I went “paleo” a few years back as a desperate manuever to save my life. Which resulted in me living :) [not a ghost yet , lol], dropping a bunch of weight, a bunch of pills and doctors, and a bunch of fatigue and multiple health issues. Suddenly liberated from the carbohydrate brain fog, I began to see the state for what it is, and to understand that the church is its handmaiden — a long history of theat going back to Constantine, you know. I have been on a journey ever since then to “divorce the values of the world” as I explain it to my beloved sisters and my brothers in my conservative, fundamentalist little country church, or as the Jesus Radicals say -to “decolonize” my mind. You must be an extraordinary person if even as a fundamentalist you recognized the call to live by the values if the kingdom here and now– the only right wing Christian leader I can think of right off who has heard the call of radical discipleship is David Platt in Birmingham You and I share the same values, but I no longer believe that the State can be effectively used to express those values. EVERY state from Babylon to Rome to the USA has been founded on and sustained by violence and injustice. The call to community action has nothing do with mainstream state-worshipping church. It’s a call to develop local, grassroots resources to get us thru the draw-down crisis we are all entering worldwide. And I happen to concur with Ched Myers that the canonical texts as they have come down to in the present form tell the stories that can liberate us from the dominant culture and that the church provides a readymade organizing base to work from. But the bottom line for me is that whoever follows the example and teachings of Jesus will end up living like the model that can be seen of his early disciples in the non-canonical and historical texts. And that is the greatest power for good we have available.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    One of the many idolatries!

  • kaydenpat

    I would laugh but this “prophecy” is so pathetic. Donald Trump loves the spotlight. He’ll flame out soon. Christians shouldn’t be attracted to someone whose life is antithetical to Biblical principles. How is calling Mexican migrants rapists and criminals remotely Christlike?

  • YES. More sanity in the midst of insanity, Ben. I literally could not believe this article on Charisma when I read it and also thought I was reading The Onion.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Wah ha ha. Methinks thou dost imbide petrochemical fumes to a right noble purpose.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Amen

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    They find all kinds of ways to escape and evade facing that one. I had a Christian man (a fine person by the way) who is a veteran tell me recently: “yes, but King David was a man after God’s own heart, and he was a man of war.” Yes but we arent called to follow and obey King David….. I love Bro Corey’s comment – if there’s a Biblical disconnect, the tie breaker goes to Jesus.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Excellent

  • mjk

    I was in a time of prayer several weeks ago when God began to speak to me concerning the destiny of Benjamin Corey’s blog. Woe to him, for he seeketh to mute the clarion call of the sounding of my trumpet.

    Or something like that. :)

  • liberalinlove

    LOL!

  • liberalinlove

    I have re-read your post several times and am reminded of the different callings and gifts that God gives His people.

    I do not trust in government. Neither do I walk away from the responsible approach to my understanding or role in it.

    Certainly the greater feeling of accomplishment is within the grassroots local community of change and living out the kingdom of God where we are.

    Without government we would still have slavery, child labor, and the massive pollution issues of the 70’s. One only has to look at the politics of the Koch brothers to see how quickly a state can be purchased and the safety measures to insure clean public water, can be rolled back. They would privatize public water supplies. Even the church cannot organize well enough in the absence of public water supplies. They would do away with the EPA and the Federal Air Traffic control. Some things we can live without. Some not so much.

    Scripture tells us both government and the church are established by God. We may fail and fail miserably as both churches and government have humans at their helm.

    Perhaps those Scandinavian countries which have become secular and yet are progressive in taking care of their people is somewhere to look for outcome based results.

    The churches I attended couldn’t get along on color of church pews or whether a pastor should be let go because he did not shut down at 12 noon on the dot. And they refused to help a local woman, whose utilities were getting shut down because they were getting ready to landscape and could not afford to help out.

    Still looking for that church which has the teachings of Jesus and the will to carry those teachings out in community.

    If the church can be true salt and light, we can be a force for the kingdom of God.

  • Jeanne Fox

    Casting Demons out of Lutherans? So THAT’S what’s wrong with me. ;-)

  • Adam “Giauz” Birkholtz

    Mmm. Do you drink it out of a frosty mug like they serve it at Cracker Barrel restaurants? That’s the best!

  • RonnyTX

    But,but Benjamin,wasn’t Donald Trump on the cross for you,me and all of us!? Oh wait,that was Jesus Christ,not Donald Trump! :-)

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    May we all become the church you say you’re still looking for, sister, the true disciples of Jesus. And I know — what I’m saying makes about as much sense to you as it would have to me ten years ago; it surely would have gone against the grain of everything I had been taught to believe about what a good and responsible citizen does and believes. But you can sleep sound, lol; your faith in the concept of the State places you securely in the mainstream of both the Christian Left and the Christian Right. That is not a lonely place to be. I do want to thank you, for taking the time to consider what I have to say, and for your courtesy in explaining your own position. Grace and peace.

  • otrotierra

    And who will dare tell Charisma Magazine and their followers about Jesus?

  • Snooterpoot

    I don’t think he believes any of it. He’s just pandering to the extremist base of the GOP.

    And they accuse Democrats of saying anything to win…

  • Snooterpoot

    People have been saying we are living in the “end times” for more than 2,000 years. I guess they missed the part of the Bible that says no one but god knows when that will be.

  • Lynne

    Um…Trump is a creep…and Baby killing promoting, sodomy of men as marriage promoting, Obama is creepier.

  • Lynne

    Yes…and the Think Forward debacle; Leftist are Sadducees of today…Right are Pharisees of today.

  • Lynne

    Well considering misuse of rainbow meaning…no suprise

  • Lynne

    Yes…lol Mary worship, remission of sin thru ‘priest’, murderous ‘um cult of Christianity history, false prophet pope…um another denomination but maybe one where folks aren’t saved is not the answer; just be born again…repent & believe the Gospel! (John 3:16…in case you never heard).

  • liberalinlove

    I am sure you would have absolutely despised King David!

  • Lynne

    I hear you on Rush…but if he consistently (whomever “he” is in statement) warns gays about hell fire, as long as he warns all unsaved and unwilling to repent of coming wrath…that’s um truth. Singling out only a group however is not biblical, so its unclear by what you mean.

  • Lynne

    I agree again…but in so much as we are able to effect policies that will affect the church and community…christians are also I believe free to exercise voting.

  • Lynne

    I think its basically about choosing between lesser of 2 evils. The Left admit they are godless. The right thinks they are…and way too often are not.

  • liberalinlove

    If I speak the truth but do not have love I am but a clanging gong! Being a follower of Jesus means we walk in His counsel. The pharisees were great at sounding the warning and heaping up burdens without lifting a finger to help.

    Adding to that, we live in a country intended to be free for all of us to be or not be followers of Christ.

    If we think Donald Trump manages to fulfill any biblical standard for leadership, then we’ve circumvented a whole lot of scripture. Let’s start with, he who would lead must be a servant first.

    Charisma the shiny stuff groups follow in certain types of leaders, can bring us to the brink of wars or drinking kool-aide.

    Jesus first, and always the way the truth and the life.

  • liberalinlove

    What do you mean the Democrats admit they are godless?

  • Matt Jacobs

    “Some people appear to decide their beliefs first, they cherry pick the
    available evidence to find things that shore up those beliefs,
    discarding any evidence that doesn’t ‘fit.'”
    Unfortunately, some recent studies I’ve read (I’ll have to go back to find a few) say that this is how most people operate. In fact, some studies find that most people will actually strengthen and entrench their personal views when presented with opposing evidence.

  • gimpi1

    I think that the “belief first, then facts that fit” model is most likely instinctive. However, the more a person works on tasks requiring actual evidence, the more they train themselves away from it. I think that’s why, for example, you don’t see many scientists of any stripe involved with young-earth creationism. Good education in fact-based fields can go a long way to help someone form a reality-based worldview, not just because of the information learned, but because of the skills for vetting and incorporating information into the whole picture.

    Of course, cognitive dissidence means that there are always a few highly-educated people who compartmentalize so well that the disciplines they have learned in one field don’t affect their overall world view. It’s rare, but it happens.

  • Trilemma

    Dissidence or dissonance? :-)

  • gimpi1

    Oh heck… typos suck. Good catch.

  • Of all my liberal friends I only know of one other that is an atheist. most of the “left” are not “godless”. I also don’t think most conservative politicians are nearly as religious as they talk like they are. Like all politicians, they tell the voters what they think they want to hear.

  • Robin Warchol

    So I guess this is how “they will know they are Christians by our love”? The problem here isn’t the big ole bad Catholic Church but a magazine that is willing to publish this so called prophecy yet consider itself “Biblical”. I’ll stick with the big ole bad Catholic Church any day and yes I’m very familar with John 3:16.

  • liberalinlove

    Again that is called belief perseverance and confirmation bias. According to some, the only way to dislodge the entrenchment is to ask very good questions. Arguing makes it worse.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Oh, Tierra Querida, send me, send me! :) :) :)

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Hey Lynn! Thank you for “getting in touch”. I think I might say here something like All things are permissible, but not all things are profitable. You know what they say on streets – if voting could really change anything , they would make it illegal. I printed copies of Seminary Dropout’s blog on voting and took them to Sunday nite Bible study at my (theologically and politically conservative) church. May I say it was not as enthusiastically received as it might have been at a meeting of the Jacques Ellul Society. But I liked the questions he raised, something like this: Christian Left – have you ended war by voting? Christian Right – have you ended abortion by voting? It’s a pacifier to make us all feel like we’re doing something. As in : “Here stick this in your mouth and shut up.” (Speaking of mouths, let me hasten to assure you that I DO vote with my fork, ala the Origins video – I vote against Frankenfoods. I like for my vote to count for something). Here’s another consideration: David Lipscomb, in his On Civil Government – written in the wake of the Civil War – suggests that the voter is responsible for the consequences of his vote, which are not always predictable. And he chides pacifists in the South who supported secession thinking it would PREVENT the outbreak of war. From our historical perspective, thats worth a laugh, isnt it?The State – any one! – is founded on and maintained by overt violence – or the threat of violence. This is a in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus. And now that I understand that, I can no longer participate in its processes in good conscience. Grace and peace.

  • F. Elaine Anderson

    Good one

  • Brandon Roberts

    Your just jealous cause I’m FABULOUS lol

  • otrotierra

    Oh my, good luck. They’re the Evangelical equivalent of ISIS.

  • Trilemma

    If Donald Trump is elected, it will mean the rapture is at hand. For it is written:

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 – KJV – For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

  • Thomas Edison

    You will eat your words because Christians always win… Hasta la vista, baby!

  • SandyTodd

    Hilarious – does Jeremiah Johnson actually have a following?

  • eddymuenster

    You act as though God only sought out the faithful, when in fact, opening YOUR Bible will tell you he often did the opposite. Your blog/attack of a fellow believer is what is wrong with faith in this country and world. So quick to tear each other down when you should acknowledge that yea, maybe God did speak to this man and keep a skeptical eye on what the man said. Either way, God uses who HE chooses and often it is not who WE would choose.

  • Shirley Spiczak

    Is he the word of god? NO, only the words of god is the word of god! However, I believe he has been raised up by god for this time in history.

  • Donald Trump is almost everything that we are told Christians should not be. He worships himself and money and possessions and power. He is a congenital idol worshiper. The thing that seems to be working for him is that many so called “evangelical Christians” have become more partisan political junkies than reflections of Christ in their communities. Claiming that Donald Trump speaks in any way for God is about the same as saying Satan speaks for God… both speak just enough truth to deceive.

  • Forerunner Voice

    So your telling me God can speak using a donkey, use the Babylonians (Hab 1) as an instrument in His hands for His purposes in disciplining Israel but He can’t be using Donald Trump? He can use Jacob the deceiver, David the adulterer and Solomon the polygamist, but not use Donald Trump if He so desires? I pray for a revelation of the ways of God for you clearly laid out in the bible.

  • BabylonUSA

    Greetings from Mexico!….I support Mr Donald Trump,yes I believe God is using Mr Trump to help Israel….

  • You are mixing apples and oranges. Of course I believe that God can use anyone as an instrument in His hands. However the USA is not ancient Israel, even if they follow after many false gods and are an idolatrous nation. It is interesting that you could only use Old Testament examples. Incidently, the Bible says that David was a man after God’s own heart even though he sinned, which cannot be said about Donald Trump. Whether or not he is a donkey depends on whether you believe Jeb Bush or Lindsay Graham (or 15 others in the Republican field) or not.
    Applying your logic, then God is using President Obama for His purposes which probably does not fall into your ideology.
    I will make the point that Donald Trump does not meet any of the qualifications for use as a Prophet of God or in any sense as a spokesman for God. These things to me are clearly laid out in the Bible.

  • Don Andersen

    It says in 1 Cor. that the Rapture will happen at the last Trump. Maybe when Trump becomes President, it will being on the Rapture.

  • Don Andersen

    Even when it is telling the truth? Using that logic, it was not Christlike for Jesus to take a whip and chase all those people out of the Temple!

  • Don Andersen

    ROFL!!! You just described how all Europeans view American Tourists. Does that mean we should stop all travel of Americans to Europe?

  • Don Andersen

    It could mean that Trump is telling the truth and Obama is Lying!

  • Croquet_Player

    I’m sure they’d be pleased if the kind of people who use “ROFL” followed by a number of exclamation points stayed home.

  • Don Andersen

    Is laughing not allowed in your church?

  • Croquet_Player

    What makes you think I have a church? Laughing is great. Relying on a trite, hackneyed acronym because you can’t think of a better way to express yourself is tiresome.

  • Michelle Castañeda
  • Wes Peaden

    Well said, enough said.

  • Ty Anderson

    This type of reasoning is why the church is so powerless – complete carnal-mindedness. (Romans 8:1-19).

  • Trilemma

    In the past, I’ve always voted Republican. But I will not vote for Trump, Carson, Cruz or Huckabee. Right now, it looks like Hillary Clinton will be the next POTUS.

  • harryrinma

    No, IF Trump becomes president (won’t happen), the rapture will happen because the anti-Christ, or his announcer, will be in the White House.
    Not literally, but it will be bad. I have done 60MB of research, much from his own words from his won sources and polls. He is an ungodly, foul-mouthed, lying thin-skinned narcissist.
    * Says vulgar, obscene, nasty, lies, etc., just to get attention.

    * Immigration ‘policy’ – cannot force land owners to sell when they don’t want to, unless he forces them off their own land through the anti-American eminent domain leftist SCOTUS ruling he has praised and defended more than once this year.

    * Foreign Muslim ban– cannot know who are & who aren’t Muslim if they are ShariaCrat Islamists. ‘Ta’kee’ya’ = lie/deceive for the sake of the
    caliphate/cause. Men can easily dress as any non-Muslim might in
    Muslim majority countries like Pakistan. Women just wear modest dress
    without distinctive Muslim clothing.
    Says he wants Muslims to “help us”, but he acts the opposite. WHY are Muslim people and countries going to help when President Trump bans them for an undetermined time?
    * Trump cusses, vulgar speech in public as presidential candidate (& before, BTW. Continues his pattern): sh*t, bulls**t, what the hell, SCHLONGing, calls going to the bathroom “disgusting” when it’s kind a normal thing even he does.
    He’s using SCHLONGing, etc., about 2 days before Christmas. How special.
    Before 2015, he also used “F****, f***, mo****f****rs” according to report on a speech he made before Republican women meeting he later tried to say a ‘secret’ group of Republican men told him it was a STRIPPERS convention.

    * When he made the filthy SCHLONGoing/etc., comment & Hillary Clinton retorted, instead of
    making it about Clinton’s lies on Benghazi, etc., he let her off by centering it on himself & how she should apologize to poor ol’ Trump.

    * He alienates Blacks, Latinos/Hispanics, women, youth/young adults according to all/majority of polls. Highest unfavorables than many or all leading GOPers and Hclinton.

     * Trump dodged a question at a Christian gathering (Family Leadership Summit, June or July 2015) about whether he asked God for forgiveness ever. He diverted into a fluffy, dodge on how nice theological leftist heretic NV Peale’s sermons were & how he liked them & going to his leftist, apostate Marble Collegiate Church at times. Frank Luntz (the one Trump later called a “fat slob”) asked him again & THEN he answered mostly. He said he couldn’t think of a time when he ever did & “I DON’T bring God into that picture. I don’t.” he claimed he believes he gets forgiveness by works – taking “the little cracker” & juice in communion. That is a false gospel of works for forgiveness & distorts what Communion is about & does/does not do.

    * He claims communions brings forgiveness, but he also claims he goes to a Presbyterian church ‘when I can. Christmas & Easter. I’m a Sunday church-goer’, but ‘his’ church says he’s INACTIVE, etc.
    WHY does he not have time to go to church before he ran for president, but he has MUCH more free time to run for president.

    “Where your treasure is, your heart will be also.” – Jesus in NT.

    * Trump has openly lied & distorted people’s words and much more.

    * He has done his verbal venom for decades and only for the election’s sake is he now using the grossly misused and misapplied PC/unPC line to justify his filthy garbage and degraded trash talk.

    * He claims to be a Christian, but shows NO distinctive fruit of being a Christian, he never asked God for forgiveness, admits he hasn’t even apologized to anyone for many ears & he might years from now if he is ever wrong.

    * Trump has said “I’m a novice. I’ve [I have] NEVER RUN for office before” (interview 2015, FNC’s MediaBuzz). LIE – he ran for the office f the president before in 2000 in the Reform Party & WON California.
    I have it documented. I have now documented 3 times he has spewed this lie, latest in the latter part of December 2015 on Fox & Friends Saturday or Fox & Friends Sunday)

    * So many Repubs and conservatives (Republican or not) denounces correctly Obama as a thin-skinned narcissist, but many of the SAME people hypocritically are supporting and many of them (a majority in polls it seems) is fine or willfully ignorant (without knowledge) of the grosser, crasser, cruder and much more ungodly version – and they want THAT in the White house!

    * In a Fox News poll, over 90% (I think 93%) of Republicans want to nominate someone who can/will WIN against Hillary Clinton. However, by all RCP listing of polls overall, with scant few exceptions by comparison, Trump is THE WORST against Clinton & Cruz is NEXT TO THE WORST. Sometimes Trump over Cruz and sometimes Cruz over Trump.
    Wanna win?
    Dump Trump ASAP.
    * When interviewer (FNC? In 2015) said some conservatives don’t trust him (or something like that) because he became a Republican only recently, Trump deceptively & dishonestly said he became a Republican years/many years ago. He also says he was a Democrat because most NY voters are & it was a business decision (No principles except what’s good for his cash flow & worldly success, BTW.).
    Well, why did he become a Republican FIRST in 1987/88 for TWELVE years, THEN became a member of NY’s Independence Party, which is/was NY’s Reform Party chapter, for less than 2 years (!) to run for president, won the California presidential Reform Party primary, leave the Reform Party when didn’t get the nomination for Reform Party presidential candidate, THEN joined Democrats for only 8 years, then go back to the GOP in recent years, THEN go Unenrolled for about 1 month when he decided in 2011 he would not run for president, and THEN go back to the GOP?!
    He is a politically unstable chameleon.
    This does not even cover his many switches of positions and how some or more coincide with his 6 political party affiliation changes.

    I have done 60MB of research, much from his own words from his own sources and polls. He is an ungodly, foul-mouthed, lying, thin-skinned, self-worshipping, spiritual idolater/narcissist.

    ALSO:
    “Donald G. • 5 months ago
    “Donald Trump is almost everything that we are told Christians should not be. He worships himself and money and possessions and power. He is a congenital idol worshiper. The thing that seems to be working for him is that many so called “evangelical Christians” have become more partisan political junkies than reflections of Christ in their communities.”

  • Don Andersen

    How much research have you done on your favorite candidate? I’m guessing they are Perfect, right? Flawless.

    Actually based on everything you said, Daniel 4:27 says Trump is God’s choice. Is there a person that is worse than him? God picks the “basest” of men.

  • Don Andersen

    Actually based on Daniel 4:17, I’m positive Obama was chosen by God for his purposes as this time. And, if Trump wins, it will be because God chose him for a purpose.

  • Don Andersen

    While it may have looked like this 2 months ago, it isn’t looking so good for her recently. The sexual escapades of Bill are beginning to hamper her campaign. Especially the way she attacked the women he has molested & raped, proving that she is a Sexist herself.

  • Don Andersen

    This is hilarious now, looking back on when you said this 5 months ago! Instead of “flaming out,” Trump has his flame has engulfed the other candidates and has sky rocketed in the Polls!

  • HadEnough

    Benjamin L Corey, you are an UNbelieving Infidel. And so are you harryrinma!!!!

  • but you must understand that he is like a bull in a china closet. Many will want to throw him away because he will disturb their sense of peace and tranquility

    Hahaha I love it!!! It means Trump is straight, no bulsh** when he make a rope and throw all trash out of the temple ;-)

  • He claims to be a Christian, but shows NO distinctive fruit of being a Christian, he never asked God for forgiveness, admits he hasn’t even apologized to anyone for many ears & he might years from now if he is ever wrong.

    I thought the believe is a question about the heart. You don’t know if Donald is a Christian. I have being kicked out of the Church even by Biblestudy… but nobody except God knows that I am a believer!

  • harryrinma

    No, Hans. Actually James
    teaches in his entire Bible letter/bok that true faith will show itself in the
    life of the Christian. 1 John (esp. in NLT & ESV) also show this quite well.
    It isn’t perfection, but progression. Saving faith starts in the heart, but
    shows itself in the life.
    1 John (while
    book/letter)

    The Letter/Book of James.
    Eph 2:10.
    Heb
    6:9.
    JESUS: If you love Me, you WILL obey Me.”

    Etc.

    The BIBLE teaches repentance is ESSENTIAL to
    salvation.
    SINCE Trump admits he has NEVER asked God for forgiveness, and why
    when “I haven’t made any mistakes”, at the very least I CANNOT Biblically say he
    IS a Christian. I can also conclude if someone does not do 3 necessary steps to
    get somewhere – that person never got there.

    Do you take your feelings
    over the Bible?

    Jesus also said to share the saving gospel (1 Cor 15:1-3)
    with others, as does Paul.
    God also does not say to run and skip worshipping
    together or belonging to a local congregation because of human failure or
    problems with a church or some professing Christians (Heb 10:25,
    etc).

  • harryrinma

    Don, instead of being a snarky snoot, think deeper.
    1) ALL of the Bible, and the much deeper filth that Trump has in his life and just in this campaign, and you try to dismiss it with ‘Your candidate isn’t perfect’ nonsense? Please. Sharp and accurate handling of the Bible OI see? No (2 Tim 2:15 NASB).
    NONE of the other candidates come close to the trash we have had to put up with in Trump’s crude swill of a campaign.
    Your weak moral equivalence drivel isn’t worth anything.
    It is Biblically empty, intellectually absent.

    2) Also, you throw a weakly applied single Bible verse and skip all I have included? Not Biblically responsible or honest.
    You interpret the Bibole according to your trumpianity, I see:
    (a) The single verse has a context, which you ignore. There is NOTHING to say the verse “SAYS TRUMP” is ANYTHING. It was said by a specific prophet to a specific king in a spsecific situation. It was NOT given to all, but only to king Neb. trump is NOT in the verse, so it cannot be saying “TRUMP is” anything.
    2 Tim 2:15 says since you have not “accurately handl[ed]” the Bible, you have need to be “ashamed”.

    (b) The verse says the opposite of your scripture twisting:
    DAN 7:24 CEV:
    “Your Majesty, please be willing to do what I say. Turn from your sins
    and start living right; have mercy on those who are mistreated. Then all
    will go well with you for a long time.”
    * Your Majesty” – since that time period isn’t ours, since it was to a KING, and since Trumpo is NOT a president or a king, your distortion does not get passed the first few words.
    * It says to THAT *king* to repent, TURN FROM his sins.
    Since I already told you Trump has never done so, this could not possibly be applied to such a crude, unrepentant person Trump.
    * Trump has mistreated and GROSSLY mistreats many people throughout his life and up to this campaign. Since he admits he never asked god for forgiveness, and can’t think of the last time he apologized to ANYONE, he does not abide by the single verse at this point, either.
    * Pathetic. JUST because God CAN pick “the basest of men:” does not mean He does, has or will. If He has, that does not mean TRUMP is one God PICKED.
    Since you perverted a single Bible verse and ignore the Bible on repentance as essential to salvation and Trumpy never did it, etc., I would say you are in no position to claim Trump as someone god has actually PICKED.
    God can also pick someone to show his judgment and wrath on a wayward church, sinful nation, and we are still told not to support in ANY way such a person – Eph 5:7, Rom 1:32, etc.

    You need to repent of your Bible abuse and honestly see Trump for who he is and that Christians are not to support, enable, encourage, etc., such a sinful self-worshipping narcissist.

  • harryrinma

    BabylonUSA – Your mere assertion proves nothing except you have an opinion.
    Also, I guess you missed that Trump said he will not be pro-Israel but wants to stay neutral in it. Wow! Same position as many liberals/leftists & Dems.
    http://www.TrumpQuestions.com
    http://www.MakeAmericaAwesome.com

  • harryrinma
  • harryrinma

    Seriously? ‘Trim branches, roots’, etc., verse and your to take such an unclear verse speaking about a specific time in a specific situation and twist it to support your Trumpianity? Sorry. Does not work. Please read my reply here to you above. First you say Dan 7:24, here you say Dan 4:17. You distort and strain to scripture twist to find support for what you want when you should be filtering all through the bible, not using Trumpinaity to interptret the bible.
    2 Tim 2:15 NASB.
    http://www.TrumpQuestions.com
    http://www.MakeAmericaAwesome.com

  • harryrinma

    Yeah, Don. I am SURE Trump’s obscene filth talk on his Howard Stern interviews, his bragging he had sex with married women, his adultery and so much more will help Hillary overcome Bill’s problems here.

    http://www.TrumpQuestions.com
    http://www.MakeAmericaAwesome.com

  • Madeline Duffy

    You wouldn’t have voted for Peter either. He was a hothead, cut off ears, denied Christ 3 times. We rarely recognize God’s choices. Dirty fishermen and a terrorist. We killed the prophets and crucified Christ. Wake up people and seek God.

  • Guy Pinestra

    Oh my, what a comments section!! Doctor Ben, you sure stirred the hornet’s nest with this blog post!!

    IMHO, God can and does use whomever and whatever He wants to get the attention of those who claim to love Him. It blows my mind that so many claim to have the ‘truth’ when Jesus told us we are the blind leading the blind.

    Humble yourselves, and rest in the certainty that God is in control, even when all you see is confusion.

    That is all…

  • susandaytoday

    It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

  • susandaytoday

    I sure would like to know whom you do support . You have a very deep hatred for Trump and it is obvious in your lengthy criticism and using Gods Word to make your point .

  • susandaytoday

    Hillary belongs in prison ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tor00iWUhDQ

  • susandaytoday

    This video is her defending a rapist of 12 yr old girl way back 40 yrs ago. The man put the young girl into a coma and she could never have children . hillary laughs about getting him off the hook for this hideous crime .

  • Obama wasn’t either, he talks hisself in with lots of lies… oooh we will see where the ship beach.

  • The matter of fact it is more easy to discribe that he must be religious and isn’t save by grace. You know why? Because his matter is what is to do on Adama and not in Beulah Land.

    I’d ask Trump by his twitter-account or he is a Christian, but he did not answer that question, another question I did ask him before he ansered without problem.

    It doesn’t matter if he believe in God while he is in Politics, because if u look back on what George Bush has done with 9/11 that isn’t either not koosjer.

    The only good point is, that he pay his own costs and is not a member of the folks from the new world order, but on the other hand, that people pull the strings and not the voters.

    Rapture would come soon, maybe 20% of the inhabitants from USA stay behind, if Trump want to rule there over? ;-)

  • Bones

    Lol.

    Trump is the Messiah.

    Bloody hell the standards of US Evangelicals are low.

  • Bones

    You are deluded.

  • Michelle Castañeda

    That did not say Trump would be the new word of God.

  • Michelle Castañeda

    No where did that say he was the Messiah.

  • Michelle Castañeda

    No Trump is none of what you said. You could not be more wrong.

  • Michelle Castañeda

    That does not mean God would not use him. Everything this prophecy says is spot on. But only the prophecy part

  • There are no prophecies or prophets in this time! If God use him I can’t say, but maybe satan is helping him, after all satan is the ruler of this world and NOT God.

  • Bones

    He’s not the Messiah.

    He’s a very naughty boy.

  • Bones

    Studied it since 1984 at university level.

    No, its you.

  • Evelyn

    There is nothing new under the sun. The Word of God is full of patterns and types that repeat themselves. Joseph was a foreshadowing of Jesus, etc. Our next president will be our 45th. God uses whoever he will for His purposes. Please read Isaiah 45 carefully. If this is applicable, and I think it may be, our next president may facilitate the construction of the next (Tribulation) temple. I am not saying that the tribulation will start during his term in office, just that the temple will be standing and functioning, like so many other things ready for the start of Daniel’s final week.

  • Bones

    Sometimes with scotch.

    Mainly with both.

  • disqus_JHtJcFa1CE

    This interpretation of this prophecy is totally of the flesh. It had NOTHING saying Trump was the NEW WORD OF GOD…are you kidding. Man has no right to put his flesh into a prophecy of God. This sounds like a bitter Cruz loser and I believe I have nailed the root of this interpretation. This is blasphemy and very dangerous territory to put yourself into. You have a right to receive or reject any word of God and that is usually the best place for the body of Christ unless God has given them specific revelation. No one I know is looking at Trump as Jesus, but a just ruler of our country. Your ideas are nothing short of wild imaginations. God always chooses the foolish things to confound the wise and it seems you are very confounded!

  • disqus_JHtJcFa1CE

    WHAT PART OF ‘DONALD TRUMP IS A N E W CHRISTIAN. DID YOU NOT HEAR??? When you were a “new”
    Christian you must have been mystically transformed in the blink of an eye….right????

  • disqus_JHtJcFa1CE

    YOUR COMMENT IS DELUSIONAL–OF COURSE THERE ARE PROPHECIES IN THIS TIME. Where did you ever get that notion….Young men shall prophecy and old men shall dream dreams…what is that scripture all about. Joel 2:28 is clearly speaking about the last days right where we are!. Did it ever occur to you that the devil might be helping Hillary since everything that comes out her mouth is a lie???? Well it is something to think about since satan is the father of lies!

  • Jeff Preuss

    Well, considering Hans made this comment four months ago, before all the hoopla surrounding Trump being a “new” Christian, at a time when Trump had already been declaring himself a Christian for all of his campaign, your critique of Hans ignoring that is off-base…because him being “new” wasn’t yet declared.

  • I have read it somewhere else, but why do you screaming, I am not deaf. Ok he is still a baby and need loads of milk! :-)

  • The verse you show is NOT for this time but just before the Son appear, and for so far as I know you will come also with Him – Jesus Christ on the Mount of Olives.

  • Bones

    Are you still at school?

    The rapture is a delusion.

  • Hello satan!

  • apoxbeonyou

    Unbelieving in what, bullshit? Then yeah, he is.

  • Bones

    Lol.

    The rapture is the childish inventions of Darby and his gang.

  • Mr. G.

    If the rapture will rid us of fundamentalist evangelicals, I say, ‘BRING IT!”. There’s no way the world isn’t a better place without them.

  • Alex

    I too find it hard to believe in Trump. However, the Hillary BS flag is much larger and smellier than Trump’s.

  • Aryeh Benbinyamin

    Spot on disqus…….not wild imaginations but vain imaginations.

  • Anon

    Saying that Donald Trump is the “New Word of God” is not only blasphemous but an insult on the Spirit of Grace that comes from the Lord Jesus Christ. Christian ministers making such utterances clearly indicate that they have lost connection with God and have entered into the realm of apostasy.

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