What I Wish My White Friends & Family Understood About Our Election Grief

What I Wish My White Friends & Family Understood About Our Election Grief November 10, 2016
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It’s day 2, and I’m still grieving and feeling physically sick over the election– especially as I read story after story of how the Trump win has already emboldened racist bullying, threats, intimidation, and sexual assaults— in just the first day.

As I process, I’m realizing there’s a lot of things I wish my white friends and family knew and understood about our post-election grieving.

I wish they understood that this isn’t an issue of Republican or Democrat, but that this is an issue of life and death.

I wish they understood that we’re not grieving because we didn’t get our own way, but are grieving because the nation instantly became less safe for so many– particularly for our kids.

I wish they knew what it was like to send my daughter to school after the election, wanting to vomit with fear over what hateful things might be said to her.

I wish they knew what she sounds like when she cries because kids at school told her that she doesn’t belong in this country and should go back to wherever she came from.

I wish they knew how tightly she clings to me over and over, asking “Daddy, are you sure Trump can’t send me back? How do you really know for sure?”

I wish they knew the agony of knowing that for at least the next four years, the world is a far more dangerous place for her, simply because she’s not white.

I wish they knew the twisted joy I experienced over realizing that her language disabilities might be an asset to her for these next few years, because maybe, just maybe, she won’t understand some of the words that people will say to her.

I wish they knew the panic of realizing she’ll be dating soon, and that this era of her life will exist under a president who has normalized sexual assault, and where Christian leaders she should be able to trust for guidance, dismissed and explained away this behavior in order to grasp political power.

I wish they knew the burn in my stomach that feels like I swallowed battery acid when I read white supremacists and KKK leaders say the election of Trump was the “greatest night of their life,” because that means the election of Trump was one of the worst nights of hers.

I wish they knew what it felt like to read the many horrific testimonies coming out of America in the past 24 hours. I wish they knew the feeling I get as I read each story of people of color being harassed and threatened while pumping gas, while walking down the street, or just minding their own business, and realize that these people– now emboldened by Trump– will now feel far more permission to harm my child.

 I wish they knew the stress and torment of knowing that I can only protect her so much, that my white privilege doesn’t extend to her, and that there will come a day when I’m not going to be there to protect her from the racism and xenophobia that was normalized and endorsed with a Trump vote. I’m just praying that when it does happen to her again, it will be with words and not physical violence.

I know that day is a matter of when, not if, and I wish they knew what it feels like to preemptively beg God to have mercy.

 I wish they knew the devastation of realizing that the very nation I sacrificed for and gave a decade of my life to, is not the nation I thought it was.

I wish they knew the disappointment, heartbreak, and feeling like you gave so much in order to make the country better, only to experience the betrayal of living in a country that’s not safe for my own child to live in.

I wish they knew the dilemma of having your child ask you which family members support Trump, because she wants to know exactly who is betraying her– because she wants to know which family members stood up for her, and which ones did not.

I wish they knew what it felt like to play dumb in that moment so she’d never know for sure.

And most of all, I wish they knew that if my daughter were white, my list of fears would be infinitely less– because the election of Donald Trump didn’t make the world a more dangerous place for white kids.

We have post-election grief, because the election of Donald Trump made our worlds less safe in a way that you will never understand or experience.

We are in the days of Trump’s America, and my white family and friends will probably never get it.

 I probably never would have gotten it either. But as I sit here and look at the world around me through the eyes of my wonderful child, I do.

 And I’m grieved in the deepest parts of my spirit that this has come to pass, and that so many around me contributed to it.


unafraid 300Dr. Benjamin L. Corey is a public theologian and cultural anthropologist who is a two-time graduate of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary with graduate degrees in the fields of Theology and International Culture, and holds a doctorate in Intercultural Studies from Fuller Theological Seminary. He is also the author of the new book, Unafraid: Moving Beyond Fear-Based Faith, which is available wherever good books are sold. www.Unafraid-book.com.

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  • Bill Burchard

    Here’s my observation of Trump and I think it’s important:
    Trump is not a Christian. (No kidding, right?)
    Trump is not a conservative.
    Trump is not anti-abortion.
    Trump is not anti-gay.
    Trump does not embrace any ideology.
    – Most importantly, I believe… .
    Trump is malleable.

    I think it naive to assume Trump will automatically fulfill the promises
    he made to his conservative base because he believes in his own
    rhetoric, or because he feels an obligation to his supporters. Trump’s
    goals with those promises was to win the contest. (Quite frankly, no one
    may be more surprised than Trump that he won.)

    So don’t just assume the only thing we can do is fight *against* Trump.
    After all, only half of the people voted for him. The other half of us
    did not. So Trump is in an awkward position of needing to appease
    everybody if he truly wants to be successful. (And I’m willing to be he
    wants to appease everyone as best he can.)

    We need to get in front of Trump and plead our case: express our perspectives,
    our needs, our wants, our goals. We need to identify what we want most
    out of our president and make it known to him. Trump’s very likely to
    listen.

  • Sallee

    I read your posts here regularly but have never left a comment. But I wanted to say that your daughter is beautiful, and your love for her, inspiring. I’m as terrified and physically ill as you, but for a different reason: my grandchildren are disabled. Thank you for verbalizing this so well.

  • critter8875

    Shit, I’m incredibly white and I’m scared.
    Can’t really imagine your situation.

  • John

    Do you know why it’s hard for me to take this seriously? Because the risk to minorities in this country from racism is infinitesimally small when compared to the risk of gangs, of drugs, of broken households, and of a massive list of other things. Over 600 people have been killed in the street of Chicago just this year, the large majority of which are minorities killed by other minorities.

    Sorry, it’s hard for me to take people seriously when they go into hysteria at the election of someone like Trump all the while being totally calm over the hundreds of thousands of minority children who are at risk of murder, rape, or abuse of every kind every day in our inner cities.

    Racists are horrible. They need to be addressed anywhere and everywhere they pop up, but let’s not pretend that racism is real threat to minorities in this country.

  • purpleprose78

    I would change that to white boys (not white children.) Because I think the world is infinitely more dangerous today for girls and LGBTQIA of all stripes than it was on Tuesday. You have a lovely daughter and I am scared for her too.

  • otrotierra

    When did “minorities” ask you to speak for them and interpret the world for them?

    Your ignorant White Privilege sure is self-satisfying to you, isn’t it?

  • otrotierra

    Given the predatory behavior and rape culture of Trump, the Duggar Family drama, the Quiverfull movement and other Religious Fundamentalists, yes, girls are especially vulnerable. Though sadly, many white parents–men and women alike–are directly responsible for Trump’s election.

  • xpressanny

    Heartbreaking piece. I’ve just passed it along to people in UK who think Trump’s victory was marvellous. It can happen here in UK. We are in same position when it comes to folk being alienated from the political elites who don’t give a toss for the ever growing poverty, homelessness, rise in food banks, children living in poverty. Our beautiful daughter in law is really frightened about this because of the colour of her skin. We so adore her lovely nature and proud to be part of her family. My closest friend’s (my sister) parents were born in West Indies. I fear for her down in London. So much racist arisen from Brexit and blame game. Just terrible. A lot of Christians in UK stand with you all. Pray for peace.

  • Andrew

    Hi guys. I’m a 21 year old white, evangelical, heterosexual, male, who grew up, and continues to live in the state of Alabama (which probably is another strike against me here). Oh, and a few days I cast a vote for the first time in my life. That vote was for Donald J. Trump. I imagine that if you’ve made it this far you’ll probably turn red, and prepare to tell me about what a degenerate low life I am. But for those of you willing to continue reading I’m going to just try to express some of my own feelings in the same vein as Dr. Corey did above.
    I wish you could understand that I don’t hate anybody.
    I wish you could understand that I don’t hate immigrants.
    I wish you could understand that just because I don’t think people should just be able to move freely across our border at will, doesn’t mean I hate immigrants.
    I wish you could understand that I would welcome those who come legally, who want to work hard and give their children a better life than they had.
    But I don’t think you understand that. I think that you think that I’m just some angry xenophobe.
    I wish you could understand that I don’t hate refugees.
    I wish you could understand that just because we should be cautious about people coming from countries where terrorism is out of control doesn’t mean I hate refugees.
    I wish you could understand that I have thought about what it must be like for them, that I have imagined how I would feel if it were my family in the same situation. That I hope and pray the best for them, but still believe we should proceed with the upmost caution.
    But I don’t think you understand that. I think that you think that I hate refugees.
    I wish you could understand that I don’t hate Muslims.
    I wish that you could understand that because I believe the statement that “most Muslims aren’t terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims” doesn’t mean I hate Muslims.
    I wish that you could understand that since I’ve been in college some of the nicest most caring people I have known are Muslims. If they asked me now for the shirt my back I would give it to them.
    But I don’t think you understand that. I think that you think that I’m an Islamophobe.
    I wish that you could understand that I’m not a racist.
    I wish that you could understand that even though I don’t believe that “systematic racism” or “white privilege” exist, that I’m not a racist.
    I wish that you could understand that even though I think affirmative action is wrong, I’m not a racist.
    I wish that you could understand that just because I don’t side with the so called “BLM” movement that I’m not a racist.
    I wish that you could understand that from my earliest days I have known people of color. That many of my friends have been people of color, that many of my fondest memories have been shared with them.
    I wish you could understand that. But I think that you think that I’m a racist.
    I wish that you could understand that I’m not a sexist.
    I wish that you could understand that just because I don’t believe that there is a “patriarchal culture” that I am not a sexist.
    I wish you could understand that I was brought up to have the upmost respect for women.
    I don’t think you understand that. I think that you think I’m sexist.
    I wish that you could understand that I don’t hate Gays.
    I wish you could understand that because I think men should not enter a public women’s restroom, and that Christian businesses should not have to serve Gay weddings does not mean I hate Gays.
    I wish you could understand that some of the my friends and coworkers I have made these past few years are gay.
    I wish you could understand that my life has been enriched by them, and that I love them the same as any other human being.
    I wish that you understood that. I think that you think…well you know.
    I wish you could understand that I didn’t cast my vote for Trump out of bigotry.
    I wish you could understand that I didn’t vote against Hillary because she is a woman.
    I wish you could understand that I don’t judge people by their religion, race, sex, gender, or whatever other categories you have for them, but by their actions.
    I wish you could understand that the irrational fear and hatred I have seen for the past eight years comes not from the “conservatives” but from those who most loudly claim that they stand for “social justice.”
    I wish that you understand that for the past eight years, I’ve felt like society views me as a menace, as an obstacle to progress. As though the only place I really belong is somewhere in the shadows.
    I wish that you could understand that had I first heard about Jesus at this blog, I may not have become a Christian. The vibe I get here is that Jesus has a lot of bitterness and anger against people like me.
    I wish that you could understand that I’m so tired of fighting. It may have been fun at first, but it’s certainly not anymore.
    I wish you could understand that with “my guy” having recently won, the thing I desire most is a civil conversation, one where insults and slanders are not hurled and where emotions don’t reach a fever level pitch.
    I voted for Donald Trump. Are you afraid of me? Do you hate me? I don’t hate you.

  • whollyfool

    That is probably true. And yet you knowingly brought about the jeopardy that Ben and I and the many terrified coworkers and friends I tried to reassure today are now facing.
    I hope it’s worth it.

  • Sneezyone

    My upper middle class black kids have zero to fear in the way of drugs, broken households, or your ‘massive list of other things’. Unlike Mr. Trump’s many marriages, the ONLY one I’ve ever had is intact. My kids’ biggest fear/worry is the racist attacks of classmates and strangers.

  • John

    I don’t need permission from minorities to speak, sorry. The author opened themselves up to opinion as soon as they decided to make a public and open statement and you are welcome to disagree with me. That’s your right as a free person.
    I’ll ignore the personal attack.

  • Darin G

    I’m sorry BLC. We have a black foster son who has to grow up in this world. And while I and the rest of my family are white, I do actually fear for my daughters. I wish people understood the same things you do above. My daughters have white privileged, but that doesn’t protect them from the sexual harassment, the bullying, or the ignorance that has been glorified by this outcome. And it certainly will do them no good when Trump turns the red key on the first nuke. This is not about my candidate losing (I supported Bernie, so my candidate lost a year ago). This is about empathy losing. White America and my former church family of white evangelicals decided that they needed to get theirs–or get it back–at the expense of so many others. The Trump rallying cry is likely accurate, but incomplete: Make America Great Again…for ME. Great, long, old article about the attack on empathy here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/empathy-sotomayor-and-dem_b_209406.html

    Keep up the good work. This too will pass. But like bad take-out, I’m going to do everything I can to make it pass quicker and with as little damage as possible.

  • John

    Your kids are in the lucky 30%, then.

  • Herm

    I wish that you could understand the 1,989 mile Mexican border as versus the 3,987 mile Canadian border on the Continental U.S. side and the 1,538 miles on the Alaska border plus 9,280 miles of U.S. coastline all with illegal crossings. The Mexican wall was a ruse to stimulate your fear of illegal aliens and terrorists. Sixty-five percent of all illegal aliens here came into the USA legally under visas and over stayed their welcome.

    I wish you could understand the promises that Mr. Trump made to get elected that are totally adverse to the values you just shared. This is not slandering you or Mr. Trump to honestly share with you how much we hate the divisive spirit prevailing now because of the ignorance of his supporters who voted with their mislead heart and not their studied head.

    Just one example of ignorance is that the transgendered/transexual, who might wear a dress, are not gay! I wish you understood that.

  • Herm

    All women are in danger today in the USA if President Elect Trump carries through on his promise to make America great again for that will include where women were considered second class citizens not qualified to vote, no Social Security, no Medicare, primarily of child bearing and nurturing value, and so much more that goes back to where some, none who were there, consider America (the USA) at its greatest. Thank you for voicing your concern in love for the whole and not for just a select few. The alt-right is concerned only for a select few and joyously see Trump as a way to fulfill their concern. I am scared for us all as a white man with girl and boy grandchildren.

  • Andrew

    Nobody is in danger. Open your eyes, and maybe you’ll sleep better.

  • joyousnerd

    Andrew, I believe you, and I have a question. What are you doing about all the things the article talked about? How are you going to stop the violence against LGBQT people, women, Muslims, and people of color? How do you react when the KKK is celebrating Trump’s win? Are you engaging with those people? Whether you support the ugly parts of Trump’s campaign or not, they are a reality and are having an impact right now, and you are responsible for it, since you voted for him and he is a whole package. So if you are what you say you are, and are not what you say you are not, what are you going to do about it?

  • Andrew

    I did use my head. It came to the conclusion that while Trump is not ideal, he was the best option available. As for divisive…Trump has called for unity, while anti-Trump supporters are rioting and saying they will not accept the result. I also looked into your point on illegal Canadiens. According to the “Latin Times” there are 93,000 of them. While that should be dealt with, it is a small fraction of the 10-11 million who are here illegally, most of which come from the southern border

  • whollyfool

    Well, I feel better now. My friends won’t be sent back to dangerous countries and my gay friends won’t have their marriages invalidated. My Muslim friends don’t need to worry about getting kicked out.
    I don’t have to worry about anyone grabbing my pussy because I don’t rate very high on the 1 to 10 scale.

    I get it. You felt threatened and invalidated. Now you can feel like your voice was heard. But to say no one is in danger because if your choice is irresponsible.

  • whollyfool
  • Andrew

    So a few idiots do stupid things, and your jumping to the conclusion that we are on the verge of some kind of mass persecution of minorities? What about the attacks on people who support Trump (including the minorities that support him)? What about the handful of anti-Trump supporters who are now basically saying that they plan to fight physically against the result? Don’t you think that I would be overreacting if I started worrying about political persecution because of that?

  • whollyfool

    In your words: I wish you could understand.
    Good luck to you Andrew.

  • Andrew

    Trump said in his acceptance speech that he will be a president for all Americans. I believe he specifically said he wants to protect LBGT people. As for the KKK… their membership tops out at about 10,000 nationwide on a good day. They have no power. The fact that some loser like David Duke endorsed Trump, does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that Trump endorses or approves of the KKK.

  • Andrew

    Same to you

  • Red

    Andrew, with all due respect, you seem determined to deny other people’s first hand accounts. You spelled out exactly how removed you are from the experience of “other,” young, white, heterosexual, male. Is it beyond your abilities to imagine that not everyone has the same experience of the world you have? What sounds to you like rhetoric to placate voters sounds like a direct and personal threat to the human beings singled out by Trump.

  • You say “nobody is in danger” from the comfort of your privileged white bubble, and yet dismiss the real-life experiences of those who are in danger– like the real life experiences of my daughter.

    I had finished my first tour of duty before you finished potty training, so you might do well to listen and learn from people who have been alive a bit longer than you and who have experienced a different side of the world than you.

    I’m thankful that your life hasn’t included the kind of shit my daughter experiences, but don’t come in here and tell me my own life experience is invalid.

  • Be sure to Bring a bushel of cash! His favors will be going to the highest bidder in my humble opinion.

  • Andrew

    No one said that your life experience is invalid. I’m terribly sorry that your daughter is bullied in school. Kids are mean. I know, I dealt with a lot of crap in school until I grew to be about six foot two and people were scarred to pick on me anymore. But if you are going to say that that leads you to believe that “brown people” are in some kind of eminent danger, then I am here to tell you that you are wildly overreacting.
    You keep saying that you want peace and unity right? Well I’ve got some news that you may want to at least consider. Calling people Nazis and saying that they are blinded by some kind of “privileged white bubble” (which you and all the other progressive whites are somehow immune to) is going to do nothing but turn people off and make them think you’re self righteous and full of it. I’ll testify to that based on my life experience.

  • Gehenna

    This is what so many really don’t understand.

    I’m lucky, I’m a white straight male, someone sees me, they automatically assume I’m a Christian too. And I’ve been asked a few times on what am I afraid of, what harm will come to me from this Presidency.

    And I have to tell them, I’m not worried about what will happen to me. If anyone is in a privileged position, if worse comes to worse, its me. I worry about my friends, many of which are female, or LGBT. I worry about a lot of my co-workers who are Muslim. One of my friend’s daughter who had already experienced so much racism and discrimination because she was a Muslim, has been scared to go to school since the election because now she feels like its ok to discriminate against her.

    I don’t know what its like to be discriminated against or treated like a second class citizen outside of a single rather isolated incident, but I do know that people don’t deserve to be treated that way.

    And I do hope that maybe Trump isn’t as bigoted and racist as he came across, that it was just a ploy to get votes. But only time will tell. And if he is truly how he acted during the election cycle, I’ll do my best to support those that he and his group attempt to harm.

  • Gehenna

    Pence, his Vice President is a big against the LGBT. He supports conversion therapy, and other things that are outright harmful.

    So by supporting Trump, you are supporting someone who openly hates the LGBT community, even if Trump doesn’t, or says he doesn’t.

    Since his election, people have already been targeting minorities much more than normal.

  • Andrew

    I’m not denying firsthand accounts. But it’s silly to look at a handful of isolated incidents and say that Trump’s presidency spells impending horrors for all minorities. I see no evidence that Trump is bigoted (and by the way I don’t view well edited videos, and the opinions of media talking heads and writers for the Huffington Post/Salon as evidence).

  • Sorta like how GW Bush was a bit of a bumbling fool who had very few actual positions of his own. It was his VP you had to look out for.

  • joyousnerd

    That’s not what I asked you. Violence against the groups I named has increased. People are afraid. What are YOU planning to do about it?

  • Andrew

    Well if violence against the groups that you named is dramatically increasing (which I personally doubt it is), then I say they should arm themselves. I can tell you from personal experience that bullies mysteriously begin to act quite polite once they figure out that you can hurt them.

  • Gehenna

    Pretty much

  • paganheart

    I am white, and I understand your fear. I feel it too.

    Because I have female friends and relatives (nine that my husband and I know of) who have been sexually molested or raped at some point in their lives, and have been forced to relive the horror of their assaults because of Trump.

    Because I have a beautiful, half-Chinese niece who has been subject to racial bullying, made even worse by Trump’s words during the election, which classmates have used to attack her.

    Because my husband is worried about his adopted Korean brother and sister, whom he had to defend from racial bullying when he was growing up.

    Because I have a cousin whose kids have been bullied so badly because of their their race (their father is Samoan) and their religion (Baha’i) during the election that the their parents are looking to change schools.

    Because I have very kind neighbors who are Muslim refugees from Bosnia, who have been verbally harassed repeatedly by another neighbor who has white supremacist tattoos and is a hardcore Trump supporter.

    Because I have a wonderful rheumatologist who is a Sikh man from India, and he has been harassed by people who see his turban and beard and think he is Muslim.

    Because I have a choral director who is one of the most wonderful, talented and spiritual humans I have ever known, and he just happens to be a gay man.

    Because I have friends, neighbors, co-workers, and people I sing in choirs with who are Black, Latino, Asian, LGBTQ and yes, white, and all of them are in states of shock and disbelief over this election, and the result.

    I have many relatives who are Trump supporters, and many of them are in the groups largely credited with bringing Trump to power: they are white evangelicals who don’t have college degrees and live in rural areas. Many of them were hit hard by the recession, but their fortunes were suffering even before that as family farms failed, factories and mines shut down, and manufacturing jobs were shipped overseas. They see gay couples living openly in their neighborhoods, and their formerly all-white towns are changing as more Latinos, Asians and Somalians move in, and they don’t like it one bit.

    I know they see the world changing rapidly around them, and they are angry and helpless and fearful, and they don’t know what to do. So they lash out at the easiest and most available target, which is people who don’t look like them, don’t talk like them and don’t pray to their god. And they want to go back to a time that was “simpler” and “easier” because that is what humans do; we want simple answers to hard, ugly, messy, and complicated problems, and there are none. I know they are scared, I know they are in pain. I know the system has failed to help them. But I also know that attacking and harassing women, immigrants, non-whites, and non-Christians–and electing as president a man who does the same–will not solve their problems, and will only create more pain.

    But they do not listen to me, and they do not care. A few have outright told me to go to hell this year. And I don’t know what to do.

    I am literally sick over this election, so sick that I have barely been able to get out of bed for two days, due to a terrible lupus flare. (Getting drunk for the first time in almost 15 years in grief on election night certainly did not help, I will admit.) But tonight, I got out of bed and went over to my sister-in-law’s house for dinner, to give my niece a hug and tell her that I love her.

    Please give your daughter a hug for me. She is a beautiful girl, and she is lucky to have a man like you as a father, Dr. Corey.

  • Herm

    The number from Mexico has steadily declined since 2007, the first year of the Great Recession, but Mexicans remain more than half (52%) of U.S. unauthorized immigrants.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/09/20/overall-number-of-u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-holds-steady-since-2009/

    Andrew, I know you are well intentioned but that does not discount your ignorance and lack of research. I did not even mention a flow of illegal “Canadian” aliens. The Canadian border is porous and there is an uncontrolled flow of drugs and non-Canadian illegal aliens coming across that border. The flow of Mexicans has for the most part since 2007 been negative (less undocumented living in the USA) both due to our broken economy and Mexico’s strengthening economy due in a great part to NAFTA.

    Most (65%) of the “10-11 million ” (once considered 20 million) who are living here illegally entered legally via visa from many different nations throughout the world. There are less Mexicans living here illegally than 20 years ago and most of those have been tax paying in the USA for over two decades.

    Hillary Clinton had a considered program for addressing all your wishes that was not an all or nothing. President Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any other president has been responsible for previously. The border patrol, the existing wall and electronic surveillance has never been stronger on our southern border which has served to increase illegal traffic on our northern border and our coastlines. You obviously are not aware of the minimum two years to vet any immigrant to the USA who wishes to stay, especially more difficult for those from terrorist countries.

    All of your concerns were addressed by Hillary in writing but not so with Donald, except of course those concerns that can be construed with little effort as bigoted as though those Muslims, Blacks and gays as separate others not equally guaranteed the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness without your determination.

    Why did you give all power back to the deregulating political party whose policies were directly responsible for the “Great Recession”?

    No Andrew, I don’t really believe you thought this all the way through with sufficient research to justify your choice, no matter how much you want our understanding. I could continue to show you why this is my belief based on your catharsis but I will leave it here with one final comment. I hope in your youth that you learn by paying attention to just what your vote brought to the USA so that you make a more constructive choice next time for the good of all. The odds are that I won’t be alive to witness your next choice.

  • Herm

    So by your logic the strongest, most well armed bully wins to encourage others to be polite, is that so?

  • Andrew

    Um no, you misunderstood me somewhere. My point is if they are capable of defending themselves, capable of inflicting damage in the process of defending themselves, and if would be attackers are aware of this, they are far less likely to attack.

  • Herm

    Andrew, at 21 years of age you relatively have no life experience to base your testimony on. I have 72 years and know the bigotry first hand that is long after when Donald Trump insists America was great. I knew Nazis. Many in my family (Caucasian Roman Catholics) I knew left Germany due to Nazis. You don’t understand, by your life experience, that Hitler and his insiders were bullies in their election fear monger no different than Donald Trump and his insiders have in this election.

    Congratulations on your first presidential election but your choice is not going to endear you to those of us with real live experience throughout the world. You just took your first real responsibility for the governance of our nation, your choice won, so now you must accept all consequences for your decisions regardless of your lack of experience and maturity of judgment (insurance companies do not consider your judgment mature until age 25).

    I do love you, I would give my life that you might live, but I absolutely hate the choice you made for I am certain, from real experience, the nature of the fallout that will ensue.

  • Andrew

    “at 21 years of age you have relatively no life experience to base your testimony”
    I wasn’t talking about “life experience” per se. I was simply saying that screaming at people and telling them they have “white privilege” is not going to make them want to be your ally, or emphasize with you. On that I do have personal experience to base my testimony. I, as well as everybody in my family, and all of my friends, cannot stand “social justice warriors” (regardless of what color, gender, etc. they are).
    Also, my Grandfather is a year older than you. He was a blue collar worker who lived and worked all over the country, and has had friendships with people of just about all colors. He also had two uncles who served in the Marines and fought against Nazism during World War II. Yet he voted for Donald Trump. I discuss politics with him a lot, and he saw no hard evidence that Trump was a bigot.
    I love you as well Herm, and I pray that the Light of our Lord will help you to see through your fears.

  • Wendy Cameron

    I am sorry you and your family have to deal with this fear. I can’t imagine how frightened your daughter must be and worried for her safety. The hate that has been unleashed and legitimized in your country right now is terrifying at best.

    There are not even words to express the sadness I feel for the people of your nation. It shocks me that almost half of you decided that the hate spewed by Trump was an acceptable payoff because they didn’t like Clinton. I don’t care that as individuals they claim not to be racists, or mysoginist, or homophobic, or zenophobic….by voting for Trump they made all of those things acceptable so in my mind they are those things. If you are not fighting against them, then you are supporting them.

  • Herm

    Andrew, I love your effort to find the truth but you’re not projecting on just what you are saying. In reality how many people in any group of people are capable of seeming strong enough to defend themselves from any other attack? The only answer is only one can be the strongest and unassailable. On both the child playground and the adult playground, by your concept, the most capable individual of inflicting damage in offense or defense is a bully. We desire a more perfect union of the United States of America because our fore-fathers recognized that…

    “We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men [now considered all of mankind] are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness;”

    We are equally strong together and need no bully mentality like Donald J. Trump who has been quoted to have said, “when someone hits him he hits back ten times as hard”. Apparently you aren’t Christian so I won’t explain where that is address in the Bible as counter productive to the “truths” our fore-fathers realized.

    Your solution to peace, safe from attack, is truly naive. It breeds bullies.

  • Herm

    I will end here in our conversation. We will see. You have certainly done nothing here to make any of us hurt less for a future of destructive change.

  • joyousnerd

    So your solution is for gay teenagers and Mexican children to bring weapons to school or start fights with their tormentors? As for your personal doubt, you are either living under a rock or deliberately not paying attention.

  • Herm

    Thank you! Welcome back! You are loved! You have helped!

  • Andrew

    This is going nowhere. Regardless of what the aftermath of this election will be, I have a paper due in a week and a lot of research to do. So I guess it’s time I stopped procrastinating. In the past few hours I’ve enjoyed some of the most civil conversations I’ve had on this blog, so I’ll consider that a win. Take care all!! May the Lord bless and keep you all ( and may he open your eyes and show you that your fears are unfounded).

  • Helen4Yemen

    The evening when the votes were being tallied and Trump had not yet won the election was the time when I felt creeping depression getting hold of me, I was scared, worried, nervous. I had to double the amount of sleeping aids that night as I wanted to just knock myself out and extend the time by a few hours of when I would have to come face to face with the dreadful reality of a Clinton win. The next morning, I felt such immense relief to learn that Trump had won. Why would a person of color like me, a progressive, a female, be excited by a Trump win? I was not cheering for Trump, I was only so glad that Clinton did not win. That woman scared me, I worried how much war and bloodshed the warmonger Clinton would create around the world. It was not love for Trump but solid, unadulterated hatred that I felt for that Clinton woman. Good riddance. I am of the opinion that all that talk by Trump about building walls along the Mexican border, stealing Iraqi oil, banning Muslims and immigrants was just talk, he was saying anything to get elected. An article was reported by many websites the day after Trump was elected with the caption of: “Donald Trump statement on banning Muslims from US disappears from his website”. Exactly what I would have expected. In fact, Trump may turn out to be an effective, thoughtful, even a compassionate president. But until we see how he governs that we should not prejudge him. The man should not be judged by his campaign rhetoric. At least that is my opinion and I was firmly of this opinion from day one. No matter how many insane statement the Donald made, I firmly believed those were empty words just to get elected. Of course, only time will tell.

  • Helen4Yemen

    There is nothing to suggest that Trump encourages sexual assaults on anyone. Yes, that video about him bragging about his sexual habits were words spoken by an aging man said to a younger man to boast about his sexual prowess. Let’s give the man the benefit of the doubt and see how he will run the affairs of the US government. Until such time, I think it would only be assumptions that we are talking about and not based on actual history of the man. Give the man a chance and when he does do something illegal, immoral, outrageous, that would be the time to go after him – but not now.

  • Brother AbdulMajeed

    It’s shameful that you liberals use people of color as your pets. It’s shameful that you build up big scary strawmen out of your own imaginations and then pretend that they are real and scare your children with them. It’s shameful that you can’t get over your butthurt like adults and recognize that the U.S.A. is a tolerant country, perhaps the most tolerant on earth. Send your daughter to Saudi Arabia (Hillary Clinton’s sponsor) and see what kind of future she would have there
    This black Muslim man voted for Donald J. Trump and is proud of it. He is our president now and I’ve never felt better about my future.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Has anyone noticed how totally different Trump was when giving his election speech? He was calm, focused, reserved, conciliatory, dignified and spoke like
    a statesman – something he had never done in his prior speeches. I feel confident
    that Trump’s rheumatic was only campaign promises which he knew he did not
    even have the means to carry out. Let’s wait and see how he performs before we
    condemn him.

  • Helen4Yemen

    From one person of color to another, you do not have to compare any country with repressive Saudi Arabia in order to make it appear to be
    a country that doe not discriminate against its citizens. As a black man,
    you aught to realize that it is not your actions that place you in the shadows
    of suspicion but the color of your skin. The discrimination in America
    against blacks in employment, housing, education, income is a reality
    and you cannot wish it away by your desire to look the other way.
    There is no more racist country in the world, and specially towards
    its citizens of African origin than America. What I quote below was spoken by Che Guevara in 1964, 52 years ago and those words also happen to be
    true today.

    Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men — how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom? We understand that today the Assembly is not in a position to ask for explanations of these acts. It must be clearly established, however, that the government of the United States is not the champion of freedom, but rather the perpetrator of exploitation and oppression against the peoples of the world and against a large part of its own population.

    Spoken: December 11, 964, 19th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.
    __
    P.s. I could not help noticing your Malcolm X avatar and how offended Malcolm would be by your words expressed above.

    Watch amazing speech by Che Guevara – 1964
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekfej_kmHQ

  • Brother AbdulMajeed

    Malcolm X would not be offended by my opinion at all. He was not a cowering dog who looked for oppression where it didn’t exist. He spoke those words 52 years ago. Do you really think the U.S.A. is the same as back then? He would be offended by this nonsensical desire to compare the trials he faced with what is going on today.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Let me just state that Malcolm happens to be one of my all time heroes and I do know quite a lot about him. Yes, Malcolm would refer to you as the ‘house negro’. I think you need to replace your avatar with a picture of Clarence Thomas.

  • Helen4Yemen

    __ Malcolm X: “Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you’re a man, you take it.”

    __ Malcolm X: “There is nothing in our book, the Qur’an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery.”

  • Helen4Yemen

    “He spoke those words 52 years ago.”
    __
    Do you have comprehension problems? The quote that I posted where I indicated it dates back 52 years was not by
    Malcolm but by Guevara.

  • Al Cruise

    ” that Trump endorses or approves of the KKK.” However the KKK endorses Trump. I don’t recall them doing that for Romney, McCain or Bush.

  • Helen4Yemen

    And what does it mean to you? Trump is 70 years old and we have not yet seen any evidence that he is racist towards blacks. David Dukkke claims to be a great advocate of Palestinians rights. Does it then mean that Palestinians embrace the KKK? No, it does not! The reason why Dukkke is outspoken on behalf of the Palestinians is because their oppressors are Jews – his own enemies. Had the colonizers of Palestine been the British and not the Ashkenazi, then Dukkke would be on the side of the British. You have got to give me a convincing reason why you believe that Trump supports white supremacists.

  • Linda McQ

    I’d like to believe he has that capacity. Unfortunately his track record in business, his own words over the years, his need for getting even, demonstrate that he is a racist, xenophobic, sexually entitled assaulter, sexist, narcissistic, lying manipulating control freak.

    Say you are right, and some of the behavior was exaggerated.

    Regardless, he endangered people by his behavior and with his encouragement has invited america to be less than the best they could be. You have people being harassed and bullied because he made it ok. So he has already earned condemnation for that. Make America great … or Make America hate. He has succeeded in the hate part.

  • emily

    I’m truly sorry for what your daughter is experiencing and I agree that these are things that I truly wish the people who supported trump could understand. I’m angry, afraid and very bitter right now, I’ll admit that. I feel betrayed by my country, that hate has been given the nod by segments of the population. And, yes, I do blame his voters, the ones who openly tout white nationalism and the ones who claim that they don’t hate anyone. Elections have cobsequences and we are already seeing them. Who you stand with reflects who you are. My sister cries because she’s afraid of being hurt by “trump people” and I do my best to assure her that her family would never allow that and that we live in south Florida so there’s a lsrge melting the pot here. But she’s a kid and she’s also afraid of the Christians who voted for him, many of whom attend the same church as my family. There’s a bit of an issie over whether they’ll go back again after this or find another congragation because we have an interracial, interfaith household and the question they’re asking themselves is, how can they stand sode by side with people who voted for man that we have found to be repugnant and bigoted? Can my family feel comfortable with these people, knowing that many voted based on the rights they hoped would be stripped from others (this is by their own admissio , btw, at least they made it easy to spot them) and can I personally avoid feeling betrayed if my family goes back to a church that condemns freedom of religion and yearns for a Christian nation when I am not a Christian and fall into the “Other” label that the Right vilifies? These are questions and experiences that multiethnic and multifaith families will struggle with that the average White Evangelical will never truly grasp. Anyway, I hope you and your lovely daughter will be happy and safe and I dearly hope that the rest of us will come together to protect those now at risk. Hate won the battle, but Love will win the war.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Evidence that he sexually assaulted anyone?

  • Jackie R.

    I hear what you are saying. I sense your good heart. Because I have actually been there, is that makes sense. I didn’t vote for Obama either time. THEN I adopted 2 beautiful, amazing, amazing, amazing little girls from foster care. Two biracial girls. Black and White. AND I spent 5 years working with community mental health and these most marginalized and oppressed people in society. And things changed… drastically as my eyes were opened. (I’m only 1 step down the privilege ladder as a cisgender, white, Christian female). As I have learned… Now I understand that – it may not seem to you like your vote doesn’t show that you “hate.” To all of those people… that is what it means. When you contribute to and support the election of someone who has said SO many things over the last year + it can feel like nothing else. No, I don’t hate you. I do have close family and friends who voted for Trump. But on behalf of my daughters and the many, many marginalized people in my life – it feels like betrayal. It feels personal, hateful and painful. I have had clients (I’m a therapist with adolescents) in the last 2 days who have been Mexican, bi and mulitracial, gay, transgender, females, developmentally delayed… All sad, disillusioned and terrified. Sorry this got long, but I guess when I see in comment sections someone I actually perceive as sincere in heart, those (you) are the people I bother to engage with. Because even if you don’t agree you may consider the perspective I share.
    **** Edit *** I am so sad now because I read down the comment thread and witnessed the reality of your beliefs. I will continue to try to build bridges, share experiences and reach out. Hope and love have to win, even if it’s not here.

  • Jackie R.

    This is continuously updated… it’s not just a few crazies… http://whywereafraid.com/ I met with 12 therapists yesterdya spread over a large district and each one had painful stories about their clients and their client’s experiences. Transracial adoption groups I am in are filled with first hand stories of how awful the last 2 days have been. I WISH it was just a few crazies…

  • Jackie R.

    I am not sure how being a black male could be “lucky.” Not prior to the election, especially not since the election.

  • Brother AbdulMajeed

    A house negro? Yes, keep insulting people who you don’t know. This is the love in your heart. Keep insulting people with different opinions. This is the “diversity” you preach. Keep stirring the resentment that causes the riots that burns down our own neighborhoods and destroys our own businesses. This is the “peace” and “prosperity for all” you talk of.
    You are no better than your enemies You seek no reconciliation. You only want to be right.

  • Linda McQ

    So you believed all along trump was bullshitting about muslims, mexicans, stealing oil, stopping immigrants, etc., but happily and as you say insanely stirred up his followers with racist, bigoted, xenophobic and sexist derogatory comments to the point that people have been given permission to behave badly, and that was ok? He ran a totally fake platform and that was ok? He ran an empty platform? Just worrued about clinton warmongering?

    Well, Wait for it. Trump far more dangerous to america and world than clinton was. He’s already succeeded in showing evangelical christians as just like him, and tarnished the good name of Americans around the world.

  • Helen4Yemen

    The last thing Trump is a Christian. When asked what his favorite verse was in the bible, he could not name one. So what is the connection between Trump and Evangelical Christians – I am sorry, but I do not see why they are attracted to a non-Christian Trump?

  • Markee B

    “No matter how many insane statement the Donald made, I firmly believed those were empty words just to get elected. Of course, only time will tell.”
    So Helen, you’re basically saying that the man’s openly expressed insanity and lies didn’t faze your heartfelt belief that he really isn’t really an insane liar. Absolutely Amazing. Sorry, Helen. I understand disliking Hillary, I really do. Hatred though, is always wrong, whether from the “right” or the “left”. It always distorts one’s judgement. I guess I am now forced to hope your hunch is correct. From my reading of history and biographies you sound so similar to the true believers of Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and many other lesser monsters like the Philippines’ Duterte. None of them “really meant what they said” — UNTIL THEY DID!!! I truly hope you’re belief in your own disbelief will prove correct for all of our sakes. If you’re wrong, I hope you have the guts to accept the blame for whatever Trump and the so-called “Christian” Right have wrought. I used to be one of them, but then I repented of their twisted, unfounded beliefs and truly put Jesus first. Blessings to you and peace, with hope.

  • Markee B

    Helen, last post election data I read, said 81% of Evangelicals voted for Trump.They voted for a man who mocks everything basic Christian theology and morality says is right. If you read this and many other blogs on Patheos Progressive Christian you might have observed how many of “us” were formerly “evangelical”, but have turned away or been forced away by the their determined politicization, commercialization, and distortion of Christian faith. Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush are both United Methodists and both active in their faith. Trump says he’s a Presbyterian, but he’s probably the most embarrassing Presbyterian in modern history. They, (evangelicals) are attracted to Trump because he’s an authoritarian leader which is contradicted by Christ’s teachings, which they conveniently forget whenever they want to indulge in a celebration of those personal prejudices that they were supposed to forsake when they accepted Christ as Savior. A whole lot of hypocrisy going on in this election.

  • Brandon Roberts

    i’m sorry for what your daughter has to go through and i’d be lying if i said i was thrilled about a trump presidency. however i’m willing to give him a chance he may end up being a good president. also worrying isn’t going to fix things take a few deep breaths watch some good movies (or read a couple good books whatever helps get your mind off things momentarily) the most we can do is wait. i’m more worried about an all republican goverment and his vp is just a living stereotype and does have problems with the lgbt community so i can understand concern over that

  • Tsotate

    His own words on tape, claiming to have sexually assaulted woman.

  • Markee B

    Helen, if you admit he lied and blustered his way to get elected, why do you believe he’s being truthful now??? He went far, far beyond the normal political truth stretching that poisons our politics enough already and now
    he’s “making nice”. Gimmee a break.

  • Markee B

    And may he (the Lord) open your eyes to see that the fears that Trump played upon to earn your vote were equally unfounded. Blessings in return.

  • Bones

    Pretty sure you started it all with ‘you liberals…..’ , ‘butthurt’ and some equivalence with Saudi Arabia……which incidentally is Muslim…..

  • Bones

    “Trump is 70 years old and we have not yet seen any evidence that he is racist towards blacks. ”

    You must have missed this

    ‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html?_r=0

  • Bones

    Gay people should’ve armed themselves against Christians a looooooong time ago then….according to you.

  • Bones

    Lol…Muslims with guns….that’ll go down well……

  • Bones

    Nah you don’t hate anybody….you just can’t stand gays, Muslims, Latinos, liberals, the Left..

    And you fell for Trump’s rhetoric….

    And now you want a cookie.

  • Matthew

    I´m wondering what the progressive Christian response is to the conservative claim that God can use anyone to govern because look at all the broken and tarnished people in the Bible God used for his service and good.

  • RonnyTX

    I hate that your daughter, has to live like this! :-( And though I’m by no means completely white, I look like I am. So, no one is bothering me and saying I shouldn’t be here. But as far as your daughter, she should be here. How do I know? Because worldwide, we are all one family and she is my sister and you are my brother. :-) Yep, everybody, worldwide, we are all one family. And God is our Father and Jesus Christ is our elder brother! :-)

  • Bones

    You mean like George W.

    Can you give an example that isn’t in the Old Testament?

    And why is God so Americocentric?

    Can we say the same about the leaders in say, Iran or Turkey who have conservative leaders of a different cloth?

  • RonnyTX

    Paganheart:
    I know they see the world changing rapidly around them, and they are angry and helpless and fearful, and they don’t know what to do. So they lash out at the easiest and most available target, which is people who don’t look like them, don’t talk like them and don’t pray to their god. And they want to go back to a time that was “simpler” and “easier” because that is what humans do; we want simple answers to hard, ugly, messy, and complicated problems, and there are none. I know they are scared, I know they are in pain. I know the system has failed to help them. But I also know that attacking and harassing women, immigrants, non-whites, and non-Christians–and electing as president a man who does the same–will not solve their problems, and will only create more pain.

    Ronny to Paganheart
    Here where I live, in small town/rural N’E Texas, 80% of the people voted for Trump. :-( And I was not for Hillary; but I was sure, not for Trump! And I am mostly white; but also part NA Indian and black. One thing that brings a smile to my face, as I think about my fellow Southerners, is that they don’t seem to know, that at least about a third of us “white people” down here, are part black. :-) My, wouldn’t that mess with some peoples minds! LoL And I have neighbors of all colors and that doesn’t bother me. When I drive a few miles to the local town, I see them and their homes. I also see so many of them, in the local town. My question about this to some people is, so what? What I mean is, so what if our skin color is not exactly the same. For we are all the offspring of God, we are all, one big family. Now my question is, for those of us who have the name Christian, why can’t we all, treat all people as family? Why aren’t we all, loving as Jesus Christ loves and is loving?

    Paganheart:
    But they do not listen to me, and they do not care. A few have outright told me to go to hell this year. And I don’t know what to do.

    Ronny to Paganheart:
    Well, you can tell people like that, that in the bible, as it was written in Hebrew and Greek, there was/is no hell, for anyone to go to. :-) And in fact, we are all going to end up, in the same place. :-) For Jesus Christ has already seen to that, when he went to the cross and that for us all! Or as I sometimes put it in song. When we all, get to heaven, what a day of rejoicing that will be! When we all, see Jesus, we’ll sing and shout the victory! :-) And a real good place to study up on this belief, is the webpage, called tentmaker.org. :-)

  • Good analysis John. Clear thinking is not a hallmark of this site.

  • Hysteria comes in many forms. Using your daughter as you did in this recent blog shows complete and utter unfounded contempt on your part. Children are impressionable and form there own opinions from those around them. Your baseless fear and paranoia will translate to her and for no reason. As she grows and learns she may have very different views from her parents and probably will.

  • Bill Burchard

    Oh, absolutely!. And that’s an important point, isn’t it?

  • Bones

    The only hysterical ranting is from yourself who sees Trump as the messiah.

  • Bones

    Yeah, tell us about your love of guns, Bob.

  • Hilary

    It doesn’t matter. None of that matters. You voted for a man who hates me. I don’t care how nice you are.

  • Matthew

    Good points.

    Peter?

  • Warren Moore

    Yes, we get it. You are not the only one sick with fear and mourning the dire straits that our country is in right now. The fact that I have a gay child only drags me lower into the depths of despair.

  • Cognitive dissonance much!

  • Matthew

    I wish that you could understand that although you might not be the things you state in your list, there are evangelicals who are those things. That’s the concern of many on this blog Andrew.

  • paganheart

    Amazing, isn’t it, how some people thing MOAR GUNZ are the answer to everything. So my 9-year-old niece, who is being racially bullied, should take a gun to school? So my cousin’s teenage kids, who are being bullied for their religion and race, should get on the school bus packing heat? So my Korean brother-in-law, who was bullied unmercifully as a child for his race, and now has the mental capacity of a 4-year-old due to traumatic brain injury, should be allowed to carry a weapon? What about other people who are mentally and physically disabled, and completely incapable of firing a weapon? Heck, I have lupus, and every single joint in my body (including my fingers) is painfully inflamed right now. I literally could not pull the trigger on a gun to save my life. So I’m just supposed to accept, as a female and a person with disabilities, that I am going to be abused, and it is my problem and my fault, because I cannot (and will not) carry a gun? Fuck that.

    I am so, so fucking tired of puny little men (and some women) fetishizing weapons to cover up their pitiful inadequacies. Just fuck that. I’m going back to bed. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore….

  • Yes bill. It may be that we are in a hostage situation similar to the first Americans. As I see it we’re all on the rez. If that’s the case he is maybe like one of those put in charge by appointment, similar to an Indian agent, who was mandated to guide them, or rather, to force them into acculturation of white American society by changing their agricultural practices and domestic activities. As the simile holds up acculturation for us means that all we own, our natural resources and we ourselves are a resource for the emerging Global oligarchs. Trump is transitional leader. We live a life of provisional existence of unknown limit Under Trump’s leadership.

  • BillyT

    It’s generally used to bolster their argument that a 70 year old man with a verifiably selfish, shallow and self-serving track record will magically change because God will ‘lay it on his heart’ that he now needs to grow up. Or that he will surround himself with godly men (and perhaps the odd godly – but definitely good looking woman). The cognitive dissonance is striking.

  • Andrew, perhaps or perhaps not you realize that the very man you voted for has not only been praised by but endorsed by the white nationalist groups, various American Nazi fronts and the KKK. There is a reason, for he has given them rejuvenation. They are out now feeling they have a voice in the highest office of the world…the U.S. presidency. Giving vulgar post day speeches like, Michael Hill of ‘League of the South’ saying, “No mercy should be shown to the enemies of our God, our Folk, and our civilization. None would be afforded us,” to build a “White Man’s Land.”

    Parents biases bolstered by Trump and the children bolstered by their parents to boldly walk the halls of their high schools and middle schools carrying ‘White Power’ signs, chanting in lunchrooms “build the wall” to children of color, NY elementary schools cancelling mock elections due to minority intimidation. You might think these are isolated incidences, but they’re not; scores of hundreds happened the day after the elections.

    It is being tossed around now that Trump wants Steve Bannon, an alt-right to be his ‘Chief of Staff.’

    Now, why in this ever loving world, would you not question the true intent of Trump while questioning the valid fear parents of minority children might feel?

  • I went to grade school and high school like you. I was teased by the bullies of the day. I ran home in tears to my mother. But this is part of growing up. Learning that life is not easy and not some Garden of Paradise is normal. The idea that children should not have to deal with real life is a disservice to them.

  • Matthew

    Are they wrong BillyT?

  • Al Cruise

    “And what does it mean to you?” You should be asking the KKK that question. What does it mean to them and why specifically did they go out and support him. On the front page of their newspaper just days before the election. They obviously see something that will benefit them, or they wouldn’t do it,

  • Cheri Fuqua

    I join the grief and heartache. I am a white woman who loves Jesus with all my heart. I am now totally friendless . I am completely appalled and shaken to the core that they believe this is a miracle from God that he’s our president. I’m disgusted that anyone man or woman could vote for that vile man. There is no excuse. Especially to think this is Gods will . As so many thought this would be a run away election are now feeling lost and confused.. This can’t be the decent America I thought it was.
    Thank you so much for your service to our country and I deeply apologize for the uprising of hatred in the citizens that you put your life on the line for.
    My heart goes out to all the parents with all children. Mine are grown and thankfully my sons wept with me and apologized for all the heartless disgusting men and women out there.
    I am new to your blog. Came across just a few months ago. I truly felt alone as a Christian. It’s heartbreaking what’s going on in bible studies and churches across the country

  • CarolinaCries

    Right now, it’s more dangerous to be a white Trump supporter. Have you not seen the violence the Hillary supporters are putting on Trump supporters? Using your daughter as a reason to claim this election was not fair or ugly is just wrong. I have a grandchild who is being bullied right now at school because he said he was for Trump. He actually got beat up for it. So your fear is an “assumed” fear. Mine is real and my grandson’s is real. He’s been assaulted. So excuse me if I don’t feel the pity of your child worrying that she “might” get deported, that’s your job to make sure she understands she won’t. Mine right now is to try to protect my grandson from further abuse by the so called liberal peace lovers. So your statement that the world is a much safer place for white kids is just not true. Trump was never charged or convicted of sexual abuse. Sure, he boasted to a younger man about being “virile” which was wrong, but not criminal. The others have admitted they were paid by your wonderful Hillary to “claim” he assaulted them. The lies the media have told the public are vile and detestable. He will be our President for at least the next 4 years. We all have to accept it and try to teach our children that this is the democratic process and our candidate will not win everytime. WE have to make the children understand that everything is going to be ok instead of playing into their fears and making them even more fearful. This election was about the status quo in Washington and not about either candidate. One was going to continue drowning our country in debt and owe favors to every Terrorist country for supporting her and the other is no politician and owes no one anything. Blacks, whites, latinos all voted for Trump, so to claim it was a white racist society that elected him is disingenuous and just not true. Now please explain to my grandson how the democracy works for him. Now he fears ever saying who he supports or supported for fear of being beat up. How fair is that? Both sides need to work together and stop the division. As to having a gay child, Trump is not anti gay. He has stated that gay marriage is up to each state, not for him to decide. The most liberal stance any Republican has ever had on gay rights.

  • Obscurely

    With respect sir, were you living on Earth 2 during the past election, where Trump was a compassionately conservative candidate? Back here on Earth 1, Trump on an almost daily basis publicly exhibited a racism and misogyny that would strike a wholly justified terror in the heart of any father with a young daughter …

  • Jesse Reese

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

    Sorry to burst the bubble you’re living in.

  • Vanessa Elias

    I voted for Trump along with African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Jewish Americans, etc. Trump isn’t racist and neither are his supporters. This whole racist thing is made up by the media and believed by people that weren’t really paying attention to who Trump is and what great things he will do for this country. Wake up, open your eyes and heart and see this fear is based on lies!

  • Vanessa Elias

    You are a hateful person. Love does trump Hate and that is why Trump won. He is a loving man! I love Trump and he loves America. ALL AMERICA

  • Chris Crawford

    I know it’s a bit early for a voice of reason, but it’s important to let our kids know that the same things that were illegal before, are illegal now. Any Trump supporter “emboldened” by his election enough to assault someone else, can still be arrested and tried.

    The reality is, these people have always been there. After a while, things WILL return to normal. But the extreme racists are now in the light for all to see. While it’s right to be angry at all Trump voters, the vast majority have no intention of harming minorities or women. I know more than a few who would protect them at a personal cost. And even have done so.

    A star shines brightest when it expels its last, desperate gasp at life in a supernova. I like to think Trump’s election could be the supernova of the racist culture in America. At least, I think it can be if we react the right way.

  • Helen4Yemen

    “Terrorist country ”

    Don’t you think first in line to claim that title would be America?

  • You seem sincere but your comments that your children are targets because they look different rings hollow. If you are talking about other children in their school I can understand that because it is normal and will not change anytime soon. It has been going on since there were schools. If, however, you are talking about regular people they meet in stores and on the streets i do not believe you for a minute.

  • Helen4Yemen

    He won not because he was loved but because how much Hillary was hated.

  • CarolinaCries

    Texascoach I wish you could understand that the media has lied and played up the race card. Hillary has openly admitted that her mentor was a grand leader of the KKK. Senator Robert Byrd was her mentor and racist friend. The KKK supports more democrats than Republicans. It’s a farce to think that the KKK would not be behind Hillary giving her advice. Trump denounced the KKK and said he did not want their endorsement. He’s hired more minorities and women and paid them equal to what a white man in the same position pays. In fact, he hired the first woman to run a successful Presidential campaign. Please don’t let the media make up your mind, they’ve proven to be biased beyond compare this election. Research these things for yourself, you will see what I mean. But, like I said earlier, Trump is our President Elect and for the next 4 years we must try to get along and make our country stronger and better for everyone.

  • Helen4Yemen

    He is an ‘uncle Tom Clarence’ .

  • matthew odom

    with a side of humble pie

  • Herm

    “Are facts racist too? Are white parents racist because they don’t want their children to go to school where their children are ten times more likely to be robbed or abused, intimidated, beaten, or even killed or raped? A school where obscenity, drugs and violence and gangster rap are the dominant culture? Where sexual intimidation, obscene or crude language, or even sexual assault is pervasive? Schools that academically resemble more the third world than America? I know some of you don’t worry about the white children in those environments. It’s considered noble to concern yourself with the well being of minorities even at the farthest ends of the earth. But if you’re white, and you concern yourself with the well being of your own people, even of your own children, you’re deemed racist. The real racism today is not by white people, it’s against white people.”

    — David Duke, “Will the White Race Survive?” June 22, 2010

    “And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

    “I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

    “He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN of Curiel. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

    “I don’t know where he was born,” Trump said in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Saturday. (Again, for the record: He was born in Hawaii.)

    Association of German National Jews
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

  • Jeff Preuss

    “Trump isn’t racist and neither are his supporters.”
    Some are. Perhaps you’ve heard of David Duke? He gave the President-elect a public endorsement, and has been celebrating his win on Twitter all week.

    “this fear is based on lies!” Ben shared what actually has been said to his daughter, and you claim this fear is based on lies. Nice.

    No, not all Trump supporters are racist. Neither are all of Hillary’s supporters perfectly unbigoted. But, pretending that this fear comes from lies, and not from things that are objectively happening means that you are wearing blinders to the whole situation.

    And yes, I’ve paid close attention to who Trump is. I don’t believe he will do great things for our country. I hope he proves me wrong.

  • Jeff Preuss

    “My point is if they are capable of defending themselves, capable of inflicting damage in the process of defending themselves, and if would be attackers are aware of this, they are far less likely to attack.”
    So, if someone is perceived to be strong, they won’t be attacked, but if someone is perceived to be weaker, or less powerful, they might be?

    Are we not as Americans and as Christians supposed to be protecting the less powerful and the marginalized? Not just rationalizing it away as “Well, if they could defend themselves…”

    Otherwise, we’re just supporting a culture that says rape victims hold some blame because they don’t imply they’re strong enough to overpower their assailants.

    “Sorry you got beat up, guy in wheelchair, but you need to make it look like you can defend yourself.”

  • Brother AbdulMajeed

    Only liberals and Wahabis think that people getting beaten to death is funny. Your comment reveals a lot about your character.

  • Shelly Deitz Popp

    As a person who claims to be Christian and having Jesus in your heart how can you possible side with the democrats social justice polices regarding abortion? Do you not believe the unborn have rights? I pity those who believe the media narrative regarding President elect Trump. Be a true christian and do not judge lest you be judged and give the man a chance. Voting for Clinton would have been more dangerous to our children’s future. We need to clean up the mess in our country before solving the rest of the world’s problems. Trump NEVER said he would deport people who entered our country LEAGALLY. NO WHERE did he say the LGBT COMMUNITY would lose there civil rights. This is still American there are checks and balances inplace.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Trump: “A fantastic day in D.C. Met with President Obama for first time.
    Really good meeting, great chemistry. Melania liked Mrs. O a lot!”

    Anybody believe ‘great chemistry’?

    Anybody believe “Melania liked Mrs. O a lot?

    That was what I have been saying all along that we cannot take whatever Trump says as valid or as true. It is politics, the man said a lot just to get elected.Give him a chance and wait and see.

  • Herm

    Donald Trump talks about violence with obvious relish, even glee. “I’d like to punch him in the face,” Trump said of one peaceful protester. About another, he said, “I’ll beat the crap out of you,” adding, “Part of the problem … is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore.” Trump even said that he’d “love” to fight 74-year-old Joe Biden! “Some things in life you could really love doing!” Trump said, sounding giddy at the thought of pounding a septuagenarian to a pulp. But, as a comedian pointed out, Trump seems more like the guy who would sit and stroke a white cat, while someone else administered the beating…

    http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald%20Trump%20Violence%20Quotes.htm

    The result was a nine-year conflict which will surely be seen by history as a landmark in the relative decline of the United States. One hundred and thirty nine American soldiers died during the initial invasion of Iraq. By the time the US finally withdrew at the end of 2011 the death toll was 4,485. The British and other coalition countries lost a further 218. More than 100,000 Iraqis had died and the war may have cost America as much as $3 trillion.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9933587/The-myth-of-shock-and-awe-why-the-Iraqi-invasion-was-a-disaster.html

    Shock and Awe a preemptive invasion of a sovereign nation supported by the USA majority based on trumped up evidence that weapons of mass destruction threatened the world. We are considered worldwide a terrorist nation, the one most responsible for unleashing the turmoil in the Middle East today. We just put back into power the party who is most responsible for the carnage then and now in the Middle East, headed by a bully who loves war.

    We just put into complete power the party whose economic deregulatory policies were directly responsible for the Great Recession. We elected the “other” party to correct our disaster. Two years after that economic worldwide collapse, with the bleeding stemmed and the economy rising, we put back into power the obstructionist party to control the House of Representatives that is the only body of our government that controls the purse strings (economy) … on the premise that the Democrats weren’t working fast enough.

    Yes government is corrupt and failing but not because of the politicians but the ignorance in pursuit of childish instant gratification of the electorate. We are, today, the greatest nation on earth militarily and economically. We took a hit in 2009 economically due to the fiscal policies of the Republican party but so did the rest of the world. The entire rest of the world is still worse off economically than we. Under Barack Obama we have slowly rebounded even against the odds of obstructionist intentionally do nothing bodies of Congress with a ruling majority of the Republican party (their policies got us into the most trouble to begin with). The Koch brothers and the NRA lobby win to make us a corrupt oligarchy within the beltway and a corrupt democracy because of self centered instant gratification voters.

    Today, the rest of the world, except for Russia, is terrorized with the result of our election. They are well aware that we are not the greatest nation of earth relative to our healthcare and required education for our masses.

    Right now it is more dangerous to the entire fragile stability of the world than ever before. Let us hope and pray that the Trumpism of make America Great Again through all the proposed actions of Donald J. Trump were only political hype to get into office and not seriously going to followed through … the numbers don’t add up and history has proved over and over again we won’t be better off when we thought we were great in the first place.

  • Herm

    … and if it doesn’t?

  • Trump exhibited nothing of the sort. Half of the country felt the same way

  • Governor1

    Benjamin is a very stupid man susceptible to urban legend and propaganda. The only racism he perceives is that, that is in his heart.

  • whollyfool

    Herm, I am so glad you are in this world with me. Your loving perspective always makes me feel better. Thank you so much.

  • Herm

    You are not alone. Your sons love you. All of God loves you exactly as you are, a very caring, thoughtful and gracious person. We love you here. Least of all I love you and thank you wholeheartedly for sharing with us.

  • Herm

    You are really serious aren’t you? You haven’t noticed the bleeding stopped from the results of the last time Republicans were in office. You haven’t noticed that gas prices were down because we supply our own. You haven’t noticed the 30 million now insured that could not be. You haven’t noticed our international support on the rise. You haven’t noticed that we have a automobile industry. You haven’t noticed we recognize more human rights for more people in our nation than ever before, living up to the previously unrecognized promise in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. You haven’t noticed that just that and more has been accomplished in spite of the Republican control do nothing Congress who would not support any of those.

    There is so much more to realism than Trumpism politics.

    The proof will be in the pudding. Try to be real as this unfolds because if we survive we need a much different electorate than “Trump could sit on his hands for 4 years and perform better than Obama.”

    President Obama didn’t set on his hands for eight years and performed much better than President Bush … by the numbers.

  • Herm

    Trump manufactured fear based on proven lies and Hillary tried to instill hope based on real numbers. Not your or my problem now but our problem.

    Reality is we will live or die because of this election. Your spirit just put into office the party directly responsible for the Great Recession, the Iraq war of no WMDs that destabilized the Middle East at a cost of 3 trillion dollars and inserted corporations are people too. You added to the mix the leader who has lied and lied about threats of bloodthirsty others invading our borders that just is not true compared to the numbers of threats against other nations with less protections in place than ours, like vetting all legal immigrants for a minimum of two years regardless of race, creed, religion or nation of origin (such has proven very effective compared to the rest of the world).

    No, ObsoleteMan, it is your spirit that creates the fear and hysteria founded only on trumped up propaganda.

  • Herm

    David Duke did endorse Donald J. Trump for president.

  • Herm

    …less than half the electorate.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Try me again when you can converse maturely and rationally. I have no interest in being divisive.

  • Herm

    Proof!?!?

  • otrotierra

    Why is Jesus missing in your comments?

  • otrotierra

    Your rage-filled condemnation is the perfect fit for a frothing Trump rally.

  • seanchaiology

    Who is the “you people” you keep referring to?

  • Al Cruise

    Royal Oak middle school students chanting, “Build the wall.” An investigation into reports of white students in DeWitt blocking pathways for minority students. Reports nationwide of schoolyard bullying in the wake of Tuesday’s presidential election.

    Detroit Free press

  • Jeff Preuss

    Don’t forget, Al. These actual incidents are “lies.” All the stories my teacher friends are sharing about having to intervene on behalf of LGBTQ students, female students, and non-white students in their workdays this week are lies.
    Stories from my educator friends are coming in every day now, but clearly, they are just media manipulation, instead of things my friends are legitimately experiencing in their workdays with junior high and high school kids. The kids they have to comfort and talk off ledges are just making this up.

    We should just wake up.

  • seanchaiology

    It has been going on since there were schools because there have always been people like yourself that simply chalk it up to “that’s the way its always been” instead of trying to teach our children a better way to live, a better way to treat people. I will grant you that children need to learn that life is not a “Garden of Paradise” because bad things do happen and they need to learn how to deal with them when they arise, but we should also remove the unnecessary bad things that happen to them. There is too much out of our control, we should take care of what is in our control.

  • Herm

    Get your facts straight, please:

    This is a KKK media endorsement on November 1, 2016:
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/donald-trump-kkk-crusader-support/

    Your YouTube is dated February 29, 2016 … I watched.

    This video, dated November 4, 2016, you might want to watch to see that absolutely David Duke endorsed to support Donald Trump … please watch.

    If you are really concerned regarding truth then watch the full November 2, 2016 debate:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0SyfaX4bcs

    or the shorter, more to the point version:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wa5DgoH2wA

  • Al Cruise

    I hear you Jeff. The reason this is happening is because the apple never falls far from the tree.

  • Herm

    Alert, Alert, Alert we have a real live proud white supremacist in our midst.

    Welcome 0bsoleteMan we love you but not your spirit of dividing mankind into your choice color of meat. I am more fond of the legs, thighs and wings of the fowl than the dry white pieces for the real blood of life flows more through the darker pieces.

    I am a straight white little disciple of Christ who carries a cross in hopes of giving you an opportunity to choose salvation from your crucifying spirit.

    Do you really believe you are a true example of the majority of constructive “straight white Christian-type person“? Trust me and Christ you are not.

  • Kerstin Kraasch

    It made it worse for white children, too, and their parents are as worried sick and hurt and lost as you, – because a gay or trans or bi child is just as much a child as any, – and they have all the reason to be as scared as your daughter.
    Trump has managed to endanger so many of all of us, – and that people don’t understand that is just beyond belief.

  • Herm

    Josh, I don’t know your age but you certainly don’t understand the dynamics of the 1930s, 40s and 50s in the USA and the world. You want instant gratification or you’ll change the powers that hold the purse strings two years after we had shown real recovery. It took a minimum of 10 years to recover from the Great Depression.

    You have not figured in that “Obama”care was the initial draft that was not tweaked as intended because of the Republican House that only tried to repeal it, more than 60 times. The Social Security and Medicare was more of an abomination than “Obama”care and succeeded because of concerned bi-partisan tweaking with no repeal.

    You ignore real facts without even figuring in the lack of infrastructure monies held back by Congress:

    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

    No, Josh, your search for instant gratification from the 1% controlling 95% of our nation’s resources is doomed if you cannot tax the annual income (not their net worth) those independently wealthy the 95% they were at the beginning of 1950. They are paying today less a percentage of their income than the average middle income household. You just put into full control those who would keep those wealthy income taxes low, less than 15%, on the proven false premise of trickle down and it will bring back jobs to the USA.

    Jobs aren’t coming back unless we can educate our healthy workforce more than what it takes to put hubcaps on automobiles for 30 years and then retire. We remain the largest consumer, per-capita, in the world of all products manufacture anywhere, so if our economy is as dire as you make it out to be, where is the money coming from?

    You are in for a real awakening, if you pay attention, when you realize that a Capitalist, Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Feudalistic and/or Oligarchy is not constructive for the body of the governed unless sufficient investments are made to grow a healthy body made up up the whole of the body, not just 1% of the body.

    The Koch brothers and the NRA (the gun manufacturing lobby) just won the last election in all three branches financed by their investment to increase their profits over those of their instant gratification consumers. There were no equal and opposite lobbies because of the eroding Reagan spirit of break all labor union representation to profit trickle down.

    There will never be enough manufacturing jobs to pay uneducated labor ever again. We have to begin to address how we might invest in all our people when we are producing more with less actual productive and constructive jobs, beyond service industry jobs, will be available in the future. We have polluted our atmosphere so those coal jobs having a labor force with a much lower life expectancy should not return when we do have viable alternatives to maintaining our lavish, relatively speaking, life style.

    Do you know how many people could survive constructively, productively, in great health and educated on the $40,000,000.00 annual income of some of your insurance CEO’s at an average $50,000.00 annual household income. I guess $2,000,000 per year would be too much of a hardship for the brilliance it takes to run an insurance company in honoring their investor’s profit and dishonoring those who paid their premiums on the off chance they might get sick.

    Josh, I do hope, for our sake, that you have read and considered all of this that I have worked hard to offer because this is a true random shotgunned snapshot of where we, as a nation, world and species, are at today in fact. Donald J. Trump and the Republican party today don’t give a rat’s ass about the whole of the supporters, much less their opponents. Some of us do care for the whole and I sort of think you do too.

  • Herm

    I rest my case! Thank you! As far as Ann Coulter is concerned the jury is not out … guilty as charged.

  • BillyT

    I’d say they are misguided to expect it.
    Some months ago, James Dobson attested to Trump’s born again bona fides. If we are to be known by our fruit, I see no evidence of it in this man’s life.The same folks voting Trump in and then insisting God can use him would argue against extending that same benefit to Clinton.

    How God deals with this unexpected leader is unknowable. Trump would do well to recognize his expanding influence and authority since “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.” (Luke 17:2)
    It is worth noting that in Luke 16 we read Jesus’ parable of the rich man and a beggar named Lazarus. The temptation is strong to put a name to the rich man who has indulged his every whim while on earth.

    I’m not in the business of making predictions but, were I a betting man, I wouldn’t wager a nickel on this leopard changing his spots. After all, it’s how he got the brass ring and with Donald it truly is all about winning.

  • seanchaiology

    That’s a strange description since you do not know me and we have never had any exchange before. How do you come to this conclusion? Please elaborate and explicitly describe to me who “you people” are. What are their traits and characteristics? You appear to be making a generalization and I wish to know more what it is that you are describing.

  • I understand your position – but you lost anyway. President elect Trump is not a racist. The women who came forward were just a Democrat strategy to destroy him. But it did not work. Exactly how you can construe this as terror is beyond me and half the country.

  • Al Cruise

    These aren’t trolls. Google it, you can watch the video. This is learned behavior from their parents for these white children.

  • Really? 120 million votes counted so far and the difference is 430 thousand – without Michigan. I’d say that is half not Less than half.

  • Anwedie

    If you are not strong enough to stomach election results, you are definitely not strong enough to raise a child. The world is going to knock you and your kid down again and again and if you act like such a pussy and instill that in your kid don’t be surprised when your kid commits suicide because they don’t know how to cope with the reality of the world.

  • cooper collins

    Bill Clinton was a rapist and you supported HRC so bulid a bridge and get over it.

  • People like me? Yes I am a Deplorable. Hillary told me.

    I like children to play during gym period. I like games that have winners and losers. I like tests that are graded from A-F. I like boys to use the boys room and girls to use the girls room. I like teachers to teach with proper discipline and to demand respect from the students.

    Yes, I like it the way it has been – and so does half the country.

  • As the caucasian father of two non-white daughters, I’m calling BS on the emotional trauma the author is claiming occurred as the result of Trump getting elected. While I am sure there are examples of Trump fans boasting of his win and making threats, I am also aware of #NeverTrump people doing likewise. None of these events can be laid at the feet of the president-elect. Amidst these rare but heavily publicized incidents, me (and my daughters) have woken up each morning since the election with no noticeable difference from last week or last month. And I’m certain neither of my Asian daughters would blame Trump for having to eat all their vegetables.

  • Jeff Preuss

    That is wretchedly insensitive.

  • Let’s jump in the wayback machine and return to 2008 where we find this headline: “Racists endorse Obama on candidate’s website” (http://www.wnd.com/2008/03/59326/). But if I recall correctly, there were no white people rioting in the city streets or crying that their children might be harmed during Barack’s time in the White House.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Obama didn’t run on a platform of bigotry and divisiveness, and Trump did.

    I attempted a reasonable comment conceding some of Vanessa’s points to get to some sort of understanding, and you, like ObMan before you, made it into a contentious belligerent moment of willfull denial of what is happening to children right now.

    Be a better person. You owe it to your children, and to others’ children, too.

    EDIT: to fix weird conjugation error

    DOUBLE EDIT: Since wnd.com or Stormfront are not exactly…unbiased, let’s go with another angle on that “fact” you provided for some balance:
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/10/03/national-review-lies-its-way-through-the-new-bl/182127

    Salient point: “The NBPP posted their own endorsement of Obama on the my.barackobama.com user-generated blog, and the campaign deleted the endorsement when they became aware of it.” [Emphasis mine]

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/mar/20/inside-politics-17169364/

    Salient point: “We removed the user-generated blog post because we don’t condone any group that advocates violence,” Would be hard for Trump to honestly say the same when he explicitly condoned violence himself.

  • otrotierra

    Your frothing hatred is the perfect fit at a Trump rally.

  • Because this #NeverTrump parent is such a better role model?
    https://www.facebook.com/100012453066188/videos/215342342224200/?pnref=story

    People are projecting their opinions (based largely on news stories rather than personal experiences) on their kids which is much more harmful than me stating the simple fact that my children’s daily activities have not changed since November 9th.

    And I don’t see how I am having a “contentious belligerent moment of [willful] denial” — I am stating what is happening in my life while you are trying to defend the opinion of someone who wrote an op/ed piece on the internet.

    EDIT: Thanks for the mediamatters link. I agree with trying to provide nonpartisan news sources. And while that link discredits some of the quotes in my link, the point is that a racist group endorsed Obama (which he denounced) just as Trump was endorsed by a racist group (which he also denounced).

  • i’m so sorry. i grieve with you. i have a white daughter, but i will never stop fighting for the health, safety and well being of yours and others like her!!!

  • otrotierra

    As a caucasian father of two non-white daughters, you need to face this unchanging fact: people of color are not asking you to speak for them, and Dr. Corey isn’t seeking your permission to express his justified grief and legitimate concern.

    Your reply only further confirms Dr. Corey’s argument above.

  • Faith

    “Donald Trump didn’t make the world less safe for white kids.” WTF? Climate change and environmental devastation that ALL children will have to live with, threats to healthcare, to reproductive freedom, to ALL women, the list goes on… it’s not a competition. Pushing us away and playing “our suffering beats your suffering” is only going to make things worse for everyone.

  • Martha Anne Underwood

    Kerstin, Benjamin’s daughter was adopted from another country so his concern centers on those who may be deported. Plus she has been bullied at school because of her race. Just because this post focuses on people of color does not mean he doesn’t care about LGBTQIA folks and the discrimination they face or that he doesn’t care about climate change and how it affects all of us. The world is not all about us white people

  • Martha Anne Underwood

    Race has always been an issue. My fellow white people chose to look the other way and deny that racism still exists. It does and I have seen it with my own eyes.

  • Herm

    I am not devoutly religious as compared to any of Man or of God. I do not believe in any religion. I do have a sibling relationship in and with the Messiah as my only instructor. Any child of Man, regardless of the color of their skin, can open their contrite heart and mind to be filled by the Spirit of truth to be one in Jesus and Jesus in them.

    In your mind and heart what limits have I transgressed of what is permitted by Christ according to what He considers appropriate to in everything do to all others of mankind as I would have all others do to me?

  • Herm

    … then take his word contained within the last two videos I offered, please.

  • wolfeevolution

    I’m sorry you’ve experienced such hate in the world that you feel you have to toughen everyone else up so they’re prepared to go through the hell you’ve gone through.

    I pray you find help for your pain.

  • wolfeevolution

    Hey… of COURSE Melania loved Mrs. O. She didn’t borrow a whole speech from her for nothing!

  • Herm

    Who are the “you people, and you people alone” that you refer to? Why are you separating us, whoever you think we are, from other minorities of this nation and, apparently, from the white people you know and hang with?

    We as a nation, led predominately by Caucasian elected officials, unilaterally invaded a sovereign nation on the trumped up fear that they were a clear and present danger ready to use weapons of mass destruction against us that they did not possess. We murdered 100,000+ once real live people under Shock and Awe to establish once and for all, now chronicled in history to the rest of the world, that we, the United States of America, too are a terrorist nation.

    Right at this moment Dick Cheney (Caucasian) cannot step outside the protection of the USA without the fear of being brought up before a world court on war crimes. The world cops know about these terrorists.

  • seanchaiology

    So, you are ok with bullying since that is what I was addressing and you did not mention that in your response. I hope half the country isn’t in agreement with you on that. Because it is not only the teachers who deserve respect their fellow students as well. No one should be subjected to bullying, or much worse, and then have the justification be that is just the way it is and people should get over it. I didn’t say anything about your other points and I could care less what Hillary said you were, but that comment indicates you assume I supported her, that assumption would be wrong.

  • Al Cruise

    “So many of these are fake” These aren’t.

  • Martha Anne Underwood

    Shelly, you are entitled to your beliefs about abortion. You believe that a fetus is an unborn child beginning with the sperm fertilizes the egg. I get that. But not everyone believes as you do. The problem is that available birth control will reduce the need for abortion however too many religious groups believe using birth control is a sin. Your only solution is for everyone is to abstain from sex unless they want a child. Not all Christians share that view. Most Christian denominations do not have a problem with women using birth control. You have every right to teach your children your beliefs, however, when you start telling us all to believe as you do, that does not wash. America is not a Christian nation nor is it a theocracy. It is a republic for all the people. Keeping abortion legal does not mean that any women will be dragged in by the government to get an abortion or to take birth control. It simply means that women have the right to choose what they do with their own bodies which still leaves it open for you to protest against it, teach your children that it is murder, influence those in your sphere to never consider an abortion.

    As for immigration, I know Trump will not deport any documented immigrant who entered our country “legally”. That is not the issue. Latinos coming over from Mexico and other Latin countries are not doing it purely to circumvent the legal paths. They are coming because in their country they are so poor, that they cannot feed their children or they are likely to be killed if they stay in their own country and they are willing to chance it all to come to America as undocumented immigrants hoping to some day be legal.

    As for LGBTQIA folks, there are already religious exemptions in place that discriminate them in the job market, in what is covered under employer provided health insurance, in bakeries, in other public business. If that is not losing civil rights, I don’t know what is. I refer to the Holly Lobby decision that they don’t have to provide insurance for birth control for their employees because it goes against the owners religious beliefs. That means that if you work for Hobby Lobby you can keep your beliefs however their religious beliefs trump yours when it come to birth control. If you want it, go buy it yourself. It is a prescription and they are expensive. If you work at Holly Lobby you probably cannot afford them.

    Did you ever read the Republican platform? Republicans want abortion illegal and will try very hard to totally repeal Roe vs. Wade, they want to repeal the Affordable Care Act and leave a whole lot of people with no health insurance, they want to do whatever they can to strike down the Supreme Courts decision that made same sex marriage legal. The Republican party wants to curtail certain groups of people’s civil rights and to say that Trump will ignore the Republican party is laughable.

    Paul Ryan already wants to privatize Medicare and take away Social Security. Do you realize that if he gets his way, many elderly citizens will be out on the street unless they have family and friends to take them in? I am one of those unless Medicare is still around in January 2017 so that I can get my knee replacement and PT to be functional and be able to work 8 hours a day. If I don’t get my knee replaced, I can not work so then without social security and medicare I will be on the street. It doesn’t matter that I worked hard all my life and that when I was approaching retirement, my financial world came crashing down. At 57 I lost my job as a Youth Director in a church. It took forever to find another job. By then my retirement money was gone and I had to move in with a friend. I broke my hip two weeks after I turned 65 before ACA so I was uninsured. The ortho doc fixes my hip, but that was it. No physical therapy. And if my friend didn’t want to let me stay and wasn’t willing to take care of me, the hospital was going to dump me at the local Union Mission. I am not making this up. It was an alternative that I was faced with. Fortunately my friend let me stay (I do pay her room and board and on social security there is only $488 to pay my supplement to medicare, prescription insurance, car insurance and my phone. I have no money to pay the bills I owe, so I have to pay them only sporadically) and took wonderful care of me. I broke my arm and already have had a shoulder replacement and need a knee replacement before I can go back to work. I probably don’t have to worry, since Medicare won’t be halted until at least March and I will be able to get my knee fixed and the PT needed to make it functional so that I can work to supplement my social security. I will need a job, maybe two, if social security gets scrapped I must work to live. These are realities for me, not hysteria, and it is true for many in our country both old and young. Please have a little compassion on those who are less fortunate than you. We are still of value and don’t deserve to be thrown away.

  • Martha Anne Underwood

    I’ll ask you what I asked Shelly above, have you read the Republican platform? Every thing we fear is contained in that platform and Trump and the Republicans will make damn sure that platform is implemented.

  • Oldgunny54

    Talk about vomiting, this drivial about Trump and what hes going to cause in the US makes me want t o puke. If you raised your daughter tohave a spine and standup for herself you wouldn’t have a thing to worry about.

  • Martha Anne Underwood

    That is the problem with bullying. It will never go away because people like you see bullies as being in the right and those they bully as being weak and in need of toughening up. BULLYING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE….NO MATTER HOW YOU CONDONE OR DEFEND IT. We do not have the right to tear others down because we don’t like their color, race, creed, religious beliefs, etc. Bulling and constructive feedback are not the same thing. Bullying breaks a person’s spirit; constructive feedback gives them a way to improve and preserves their spirit.

  • Martha Anne Underwood

    The difference is that those in the Bible repented, Trump has not. He even said in one of his speeches that he has done nothing wrong and does not need forgiveness or to forgive anyone. Jesus said that those who do not repent and seek forgiveness, still retain their sins.

  • Sherlang

    14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly.[h] Never be wise in your own sight. 17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it[i] to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
    Romans 12:14-21

    Our job is not to give reasons why people shouldn’t be upset, or to condemn what people are feeling or going through right now. We are supposed to weep with those who weep. Dr Corey, I am so sorry for the responses you have had to read today. Praying for you and your family. Let us not repay evil with evil, but to show God’s love, which is easier said than done

  • otrotierra

    All the ugliness and hatred of a Trump rally.

  • I hear a lot of people blaming Christianity for the election of drumpf/trump-pence. It was not Christianity, it was Christians who chose not to pay attention to the teachings of Jesus Christ when they voted. They are Christians who have embraced the gospel of greed that is all the rage in America, and once one accepts the perversion that Christianity endorses greed it is easy to also accept racism, misogyny, xenophobia, sexual assault, homophobia, and authoritarianism are basic tenants of the faith

  • kaydenpat

    Some White LGBTs and poorer Whites who will lose their healthcare when Trump repeals the ACA will also suffer. Ditto White women impacted by rulings limiting reproductive rights under the Trump regime.

    Even some White Trump supporters are going to be badly damaged if Trump acts on his promises.

    This is a nightmare. Sigh.

  • Brother AbdulMajeed

    I think you have issues with anger.

  • Al Cruise

    The students in the classroom shouting build the wall are not fake.

  • Southern Proud

    I’m not sure where you live, but it sounds like you need to relocate.I have not heard anyone I know that supports Trump that would go out and mistreat anyone including any child of any race. Here in Georgia in the Savannah area and towns and counties for Miles we have all races of folks living and working here. No where prier or post election am I seeing any one act any different than weeks,months or years before. The people around me are working and doing their jobs and going on with their daily lives. just as they did with the current POTUS. We are still civil to one another, Say thank you have a good day, Hold the door open for others and pretty much just get along and mind our own business. Sure your going to have some people that are rude and have their biased opinion of others but that has always been the case and always will no matter who is in the oval office. Have you been watching the news for the past years and not seen what has been going on in the streets of America. This crap started way be the election of Trump. Only the news is pushing stories of discontent and bashing in the street and that is coming from the Liberal Democrats. How can you be a man of God pushing false stories of Republicans raping,pillaging and kicking kids around like a bunch of Vikings. And I don’t mean any kind of disrespect to those of Viking descent. I never heard Trump say he was going to mistreat or push out the people in this country that are here legally.I don;t believe he goes around condoning the mistreatment of women. The people that Vote Trump into office are those that are tired of way too much Government over reach and control into the lives of free people. Tired of the small liberal groups telling Us how we should feel or what we should believe. Tired of being over taxed and forced to pay the way for others who do not want to work. I will say Trump was not my first choice but the Guy I wanted was not a choice. I am Republican, We had 8 years of democratic rule and it really hasn’t gotten Us anywhere. More taxes and higher skyrocketing insurance that sucks. A group of people that believe they are entitled to anything and everything they want and are offended when others don’t think their way. Race relations that have fallen apart and a hatred of those in Law enforcement.And I never seen the current President stand up and try to stop any of it.We did not need four more years and we Sure didn’t need a Clinton in there. If you are a Godly man you should know the path of destruction they have lead this country down. I think you story is complete hog wash. No one here is mistreating black folk, Hispanics, Indians,or any other race or gender that are out doing their own thing. I’m from the south, I’m republican, I’m Christian, I believe in the constitution and Freedom. But if I see someone being mistreated I’ll put a stop to it. Because I truly do want America to be Great again. Thank You

  • Manic Pixie Steve Earle

    You’ve got an interesting way of looking at the world.

  • Herm

    “The damn bill was 13,000 pages and not one senator read it!”

    http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/30/it-took-64-pages-to-create-social-security-why-2000-to-reform-health-care/

    —2,000 does not equal 13,000—

    “Don’t have a clue how you used this as an attack on me as we weren’t even discussing taxes.
    Did you know that when the U.S. was founded, there wasn’t even an Income Tax?!?! Did you also know that the income tax was a Democrat item, and a punishment on the rich?”

    Pre-16th Amendment. In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, Congress imposed its first personal income tax in 1861. It was part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800; rescinded in 1872).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States#16th_Amendment

    “Debts, my friend.
    http://www.budgetsaresexy.com/
    You don’t bring back jobs by educating people; the bulk of jobs require nothing more than a high-school education! That’s why they get outsourced to other nations when people get bachelor degrees.”

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/05/news/economy/job-skills-in-demand/

    “First half:
    These jobs are gone because Democrats wanted free trade that was never actually free. See government subsidization in China as an example against Free Trade.

    Second half:
    This is not, yet, economically feasible in the short term. Sometimes, you must use gas energy to build a solar panel.”

    There is no need for coal energy for steam power or household heat today.

    “Did you know that there is more to go around without having to take from them for being successful?”

    That my friend is bullshit. You can’t pull yourself up by your own bootstraps if you don’t have boots. You can’t put all your efforts into earning your living in your job if distracted by a toothache you can’t afford the time to take from your work and don’t make enough to afford to pay the dentist. Have you ever looked for a job over qualified and over the age of 50?

    The word “take” is subjective as I believe that when a CEO’s annual income is 400 times the annual average wage of his/her worker when throughout the rest of the world CEO’s incomes do not exceed 20 times that of their workers. What possible point is currency except as an exchange to support the entire populous under the economy of their nation’s choice? What did you earn or contribute as a child that determined whether or not you were successful? Why has worth in currency become the score of success? Were not all resources necessary for our growth as children and adults graced to and invested in us before any of us were born and will exist after all of us dies?

    “And I expect a complete apology in 4 years.”

    I apologize in all humility whenever I am wrong, even if just slightly so. There is no way if Donald J. Trump stays to his platform that I will have to. Of this I am sure. If I am right I don’t expect you to apologize for a great many reasons I have experience with and know it would do no good to demand such from your kind of argument.

    “Don’t you dare malign me, Herm! Just because you were upset at my answers doesn’t give you listen to say “You don’t know what your talking about.” I can take it by your answers that you have not studied economics formally, and I can also take from it that you watch a lot of CNBC and maybe have read a Keith Olbermann book…maybe (but doubtful) a Paul Krugman book.”

    … and you would be once again wrong in your “take”. You apparently have not watched CNBC as it is fundamentally fiscally conservative. Don’t think you’re being maligned without cause even though your command that I not do so is hollow. You did not address the ever widening gap between rich and poor which was adjusted by the results of FDR’s policies to a more evenly spread in the 1950’s, the first time we were considered an affluent nation with an emerging middle class. Today we have moved back to more of a nation whose economy is regulated (or deregulated) in favor of robber barons rather than the good of the entire nation. You did not address, probably didn’t understand, why you insinuate the wealth in currency as successful? Just a thought, the Trump family and Koch brothers today would not be as financially “successful” if it weren’t for the efforts of their dead fathers. How much stronger would we be as a nation if we invested the same funds in our inner cities as the living Trumps were invested in? How is it both keep referring to everyone else as the “elites” responsible for the dire condition of our nation? Everything, absolutely everything, has been loaned to us as mankind … all resources were here before mankind and will be here following mankind.
    You would do well to read Paul Krugman more the Ann Coulter. I have read both and tested both.

    “Clearly, if you think stealing from or limiting another man’s success (all under suspicion that you think they came about it dishonestly–hence the Koch Brothers comments you made), then man, you certainly are a piece of work.
    Either way, 4 years from now you’ll be getting off of you’re high horse.”

    Let’s both hope I am wrong

  • No. I am not ok with bullying. I don’t even know why you continue. Bullying in schools should be stopped by the teachers.

    If you didn’t support Hillary then Bernie. I don’t care. They both lost.

  • I have no faith in the Republicans whatsoever. We conservatives all learned a valuable lesson this time about the true intentions of many Republicans – they are in it for themselves.

    President Trump will implement much of what he said because he will have support from both Houses just as Obama had for two years. We will see if hat he does succeeds.

  • Miss Carolina, it truly is a question of understanding and unfortunately you’ve been reading too many Breitbart misinfo articles that your judgement understanding has been clouded over by the dust of right-wing rhetoric.

    By the way, if you don’t trust the media, how do ya ever stay informed?

    Might we all believe in the truth and gauge one article from another and for sure the KKK and every organization KKK like minded endorsed Trump. For the past half century, no devout KKK member has gone for a Democrat.

    I do accept Trump as our president…he was duly elected and as far as giving him a chance, unlike the right that never gave President Obama a chance…I’ll see how he goes forth.

    As far as respect goes…he’s going to have to first earn mine for as of late, he has not…

    There is genuine fear for those he has targeted and for good reason in how he conducted his vile campaign. Let’s give them their own pace in time to heal. They are deserving of it…

    However, appreciate much your concern…thank ya kindly…

  • I would mention that children in school who are the traditional bullies do not discriminate. They just bully. Teachers are supposed to stop that. Who in the world is in favor of bullies? I have never heard anyone who said they favor bullies.

    The part about color, race, creed, etc. sounds like an indictment of our country. Our country is the greatest country on the face of the earth for a reason. We are blessed by God and we are the most generous nation on the earth.

  • seanchaiology

    Because I have a disagreement with your argument, you therefore think you know my political leanings? I don’t judge people so easily. Good day sir.

  • Obscurely

    Not sure who said this, but sadly I have to say it to you: “You’re entitled to your own opinion sir, but not to your own facts.”

  • Sarah

    Hmmm…
    “I don;t believe he goes around condoning the mistreatment of women.”
    So, grabbing ’em by the pussy isn’t condoning the mistreatment of women? It’s merely mistreating them- just not condoning it?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

  • John

    You know that Dr. Corey is white, right?

    Wolfpack, if he’s telling the truth, is in the same position as a white father of non-white daughters as the author of the article.

  • Sarah

    Wow. I can’t believe the hatred I am reading here. The vitriol. Just- wow.

  • Sarah

    FFS, Vanessa, the friggin’ KKK are trump supporters! Perhaps you should wake up? Or are the KKK not racist? Is that also a media lie?

  • Bones

    Maybe they like it…

  • Bones

    Trump changing his mind…..again….

    Trump likes main Obamacare provisions ‘very much
    2 hours ago

    US President-elect Donald Trump has said in an interview he is open to leaving intact key parts of President Barack Obama’s healthcare bill.
    Mr Trump, who has pledged repeatedly to repeal the 2010 law, signalled he was receptive to a compromise after visiting the White House on Thursday.
    He told the Wall Street Journal he favours keeping two pillars of the bill because “I like those very much”.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37953528

  • Bones

    Yeah I thought the same about blacks living in apartheid.

    Stop sooking, you weak bastards.

  • Bones

    Derp…so did Michael moore

    It’s a 50:50 race….

    You must have low expectations if that”s something that excites you.

  • Bones

    I’m looking forward to the US dollar crashing like it did under Bush.

    Those were happy times.

  • Bones

    Haha Bush isn’t a conservative.

    Someone”s making their own shit up.

    Trump now saying Obamacare is pretty good.

  • Bones

    Seems Trump changed his mind again….

    US President-elect Donald Trump has said in an interview he is open to leaving intact key parts of President Barack Obama’s healthcare bill.
    Mr Trump, who has pledged repeatedly to repeal the 2010 law, signalled he was receptive to a compromise after visiting the White House on Thursday.
    He told the Wall Street Journal he favours keeping two pillars of the bill because “I like those very much”.

    Trump”s gonna make all your dreams come true.

  • Sneezyone

    My kids and every other black child in my extended family are not lucky. They were raised with solid Christian values that know no color. Your prejudice shows when you ASSume, like Trump, that black and brown people live primarily in inner city ghettos (which are increasingly gentrified and middle-class BTW). You really need to get out more. In the last three days, one friend’s children were bullied and taunted on the bus, another had a rainbow flag on their home set afire, another (a Navy vet who served with my husband) had a woman slam a door in her face while muttering about sending Mexicans back to Mexico. The world is a more dangerous place for my kids today and it’s not because of drugs or gangs. There are racists and racist apologists running amok.

  • Bones

    What country was Peter in charge of?

  • John

    I’m assuming nothing. My statements are based on the fact that over 70% of black children are now born out of wedlock. It’s also based on the fact that homicide is the 5th most common way to die for black people in the US (it’s not even in the top 10 for white people).

    Like I said, your kids are lucky to have been born into a stable family away from the issues that plague the large majority of black kids.

    Call me racist all you like, but I’m not a rich white guy living in a gated neighborhood. I live in a place where being white makes me a minority and poverty is everywhere. I see kids every single day who have nowhere safe to go at night, who join gangs because it’s the only family they have. It’s tragic. It breaks my heart, and none of it is because of racism.

    Racism is horrible wherever it’s found. My issue is when people focus on racism as if it’s ruining the lives of black people in America when literally millions of black kids live every day of their lives without a stable family and no real hope for the future. To focus on racism without also putting a massive focus on these issues, all the while claiming to be fighting for the good of black people in America, is naive at best and malicious at worst.

  • Matthew

    Thanks so much BillyT. Good analysis.

  • Matthew

    Good point, but he did get they keys to the Church rather than the Oval Office :-).

  • Bones

    And still didn’t have a clue as to what was going on…..

  • Bones

    It’ll be worse when black women aren’t allowed abortions…..

    Oh and….

    How We Built the Ghettos

    A brief introduction to America’s long history of racist housing policy.

    “Yesterday, apropos of Paul Ryan’s remarks on “inner-city poverty” and a culture that “doesn’t value work,” I wrote about the policy that went into building our inner-cities and depriving whole communities of wealth and opportunity. Likewise, at MSNBC, Ned Resnikoff wrote an excellent piece on the wide income and wealth disparities between blacks and whites. “ In 1984,” he writes, “the white-to-black wealth ratio was 12-to–1…But over the next 14 years the wealth gap began to grow once again, until it had skyrocketed up to 19-to–1 in 2009.”
    A large part of this, he explains, has everything to do with housing discrimination:
    Disparities in homeownership are a major driver of the racial wealth gap, according to a recent study from Brandeis University. According to the authors of the report, “redlining [a form of discrimination in banking or insurance practices], discriminatory mortgage-lending practices, lack of access to credit, and lower incomes have blocked the homeownership path for African-Americans while creating and reinforcing communities segregated by race.””

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/13/how-we-built-the-ghettos.html

    I seem to recall a certain Donald Trump getting in trouble for denying accomodation to blacks….

    But yeah there’s no such thing as racism….it’s because blacks are immoral and lazy….

  • Bones

    Look, your messiah changed his mind…..again…..

    US President-elect Donald Trump has said in an interview he is open to leaving intact key parts of President Barack Obama’s healthcare bill.
    Mr Trump, who has pledged repeatedly to repeal the 2010 law, signalled he was receptive to a compromise after visiting the White House on Thursday.
    He told the Wall Street Journal he favours keeping two pillars of the bill because “I like those very much”.

    Trump”s gonna make all your dreams come true.

    Lol….he fooled you good…..

  • Bones

    If Obama had’ve run he’d have absolutely slaughtered Trump….

    That’s why Trump wouldn’t run against Obama.

  • Bones

    Afghanistan and Iraq and consequently Syria are Bush’s gifts to the world…..

    Enjoy!!!!

    No one knows what the hell Trump is going to do about Iran, Syria, ISIS, Russia…

    He has already reneged on South Korea….that took one day….

  • Bones

    Well there was that court case

    “NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

    The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a ­government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

    Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

    In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

    The case, one of the biggest federal housing discrimination suits to be brought during that time, put a spotlight on the family empire led by its 27-year-old president, Donald Trump, and his father, Fred Trump, the chairman, who had begun building houses and apartments in the 1930s. The younger Trump demonstrated the brash, combative style that would make him famous, holding forth at a news conference in a Manhattan hotel to decry the government’s arguments as “such outrageous lies.” He would also say that the company wanted to avoid renting apartments to welfare recipients of any color but never discriminated based on race.

    The Trumps retained Roy Cohn, a defense attorney who two decades earlier had been a top aide to Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) during his infamous effort to root out communists in government. Cohn portrayed the Trumps as the victims and counter-sued the government, demanding it pay them $100 million for falsely accusing them of discrimination.

    Civil rights groups in the city viewed the Trump company as just one example of a nationwide problem of housing discrimination. But targeting the Trumps provided a chance to have an impact, said Eleanor Holmes Norton, who was then chairwoman of the city’s human rights commission. “They were big names,” said Norton (D), now the District’s representative in Congress.

    Organizations such as the Urban League began to send testers to Trump properties.

    In the July 1972 test at Shorehaven Apartments in Brooklyn, the same superintendent who had rejected the black woman told the white woman who came later that she could “immediately rent either one of two available apartments,” according to testimony.

    The tests played out across Queens and Brooklyn and revealed a pattern, the housing activists said in court filings. White testers were encouraged to rent at certain Trump buildings, while the black testers were discouraged, denied or steered to apartment complexes that had more racial minorities, according to the testimony.

    After local activists realized the scope of their findings, they alerted the Justice Department’s civil rights division, which was looking for housing cases to pursue.

    Two former Trump employees, a husband and wife who rented properties, were quoted in court documents as saying they were told that the company wanted to rent only to “Jews and Executives” and “discouraged rental to blacks.” The couple told the government’s lawyers that they were advised that “a racial code was in effect, blacks being referred to as ‘No. 9.’ ”

    Other rental agents employed by the Trumps told the FBI that only 1 percent of tenants at the Trump-run Ocean Terrace Apartments were black, and that there were no black tenants at Lincoln Shore Apartments. Both were on Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn. However, minorities were steered to a different complex on Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn, Patio Gardens, which was 40 percent black, the government said.

    One black woman, for example, was turned away at a heavily white complex but told that she should “try to obtain an apartment at Patio Gardens,” where “a black judge had recently become a tenant,” according to government filings.”

  • Bones

    Bahahaha, you think you can wave your magic wand and fix countries you’ve helped f*ck…..even the Taliban are a result of US policies in Afghanistan.

    Both countries were in the shit….

    The removal of Saddam in Iraq unleashed a wave of revenge against minority Sunnis who held power under Saddam including Baathist generals after the dismantling of the Iraqi Army….many of whom joined what was Al Qaeda in Iraq and later to become ISIS.

    Afghanistan installed Hamid Karzai in elections which were known to be rigged (but was the US choice), who was well known for his corruption and deals with the taliban.

    A recent article about Afghanistan…..

    Afghanistan Is in Chaos. Is That
    What Hamid Karzai Wants?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/06/world/asia/afghanistan-hamid-karzai.html?_r=0

    You guys are gonna be there for 50 years…..

  • LadySunami

    I can only hope he actually keeps that position. I like Obamacare just fine and know many people who rely on it for coverage.

  • Bones

    Obama inherited Bush’s mess and a) fulfilled an election promise to get US troops out of Iraq according to Bush’s own timetable and the fact that the Iraqi government didn’t want them there any more and b) inherited the Afghan conflict which not even the Soviets could defeat with brute force.

    Of course in the Middle East you have a whole heap of other competing agendas eg Israel wanting the US to bomb Iran into non-existence, the Saudis and Turks trying to diminish the Shiite and Syrian influence and the Kurds fighting for self autonomy, the so-called Arab Coalition bombing the shit out of Yemen because they deposed the Saudi puppet ruler …..

    We’re seeing the Russian response which is to side with Assad and basically carpet bomb civilian areas which aren’t even controlled by ISIS……

    Good luck achieving anything in the most f*cked up region in the world….

    Now of course Trump’s reaction to say the Iran Deal is going to be interesting……

    Oh and North Korea…..

    And Russia’s ambitions in Europe…..

    This is the real world now….

  • LadySunami

    Hillary is not her husband.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    Some parents ought to be charged with child abuse for terrorizing their children like this.

  • Bones

    The guy told so many lies it’s hard to tell what he’s going to do.

    Are women who have abortions going to be arrested?

    He said all that shit to attract a specific type of voter.

    And within 5 days has started to renege on those policies…..

  • LadySunami

    Tired of the small liberal groups telling Us how we should feel or what we should believe.

    I’m sorry? What are you talking about? Liberals will argue in defense of their own beliefs of course, but they’re generally pretty good about accepting when other people believe differently… Are you thinking of things like the same-sex marriage debate perhaps? If so, nobody was demanding you believe any differently when it comes to the acceptability of non-heterosexual orientations, they only want you to treat same-sex couples with respect and dignity, offering them the same services and marital recognition you would provide anyone else.

    More taxes and higher skyrocketing insurance that sucks.

    You sure about that?

    http://foldedspace.org/GRS/taxes_averagetaxrates.jpg

    http://tpcprod.urban.org/taxtopics/images/Payroll-Tax-Rate-Historical_6.gif

    It’s true healthcare costs rose, but the increase was following the exact same trend it had been following for years.

    https://www.alvarezandmarsal.com/sites/default/files/hig_sept_newsltr_graphic_1_9-22-14.png

    It is disappointing the increase continued, but I’d say it’s worth it to not have the fear of being dropped because of some preexisting condition.

    A group of people that believe they are entitled to anything and everything they want and are offended when others don’t think their way.

    What exactly are you alluding to here? Impoverished people who feel they’re entitled to basic sustenance and health care? Transgender people who feel their entitled to pee in public bathrooms without getting harassed? Gay people who feel entitled to legally recognized marriages? Women who feel entitled to birth control as part of their healthcare coverage? These are the kind of entitlements I think of, mostly because I’m all for them, but perhaps you’re thinking of something else.

    Race relations that have fallen apart and a hatred of those in Law enforcement.

    They didn’t suddenly start falling apart, racial minorities simply felt emboldened to actually publicize the type of mistreatment they’d been receiving for ages. Obama gave them the hope that things could change for the better, so they began fighting harder to actually improve things.

    And I never seen the current President stand up and try to stop any of it.

    Rather depends on what you mean by “any of it.” If you mean the race relations, I’m not entirely sure what you expect the man to do about it. Acknowledging that racial disparities exist is simply acknowledging reality, not “stoking racial fires,” and Obama has been consistent in calling for reconciliation and unity in his public speeches. He’s not a wizard who can erase racial disparities and/or make people suddenly not angry over being continually mistreated.

    We did not need four more years and we Sure didn’t need a Clinton in there. If you are a Godly man you should know the path of destruction they have lead this country down.

    And what “path of destruction” is this? The path where continuing inequality is actually discussed and dealt with instead of being hidden away to smolder under the surface? The path where people get the health care they need, even if those needs do not reflect the mandates of some religious group or another? The path where people are free to live in accordance with their own preferences and views on sexuality instead of having other people’s views forced upon them? The path where people of every sort have the freedom to participate fully in society, even if certain business owners or government employees would rather turn them away because they object to their race, religion, sexuality or national origin? Sorry, but the path Obama was leading us down, and that Clinton would presumably have continued leading us down, is an excellent one.

    If you have religious objections to something, I get it. It’s always frustrating when other people act contrary to your own beliefs, and it’s probably even more frustrating when you’re certain your beliefs are the product of god’s will. Not everyone shares your faith though, and they no more want you demanding they follow your religious mandates then you would want Hindus to demand you follow their religious mandates.

    I think you story is complete hog wash. No one here is mistreating black folk, Hispanics, Indians,or any other race or gender that are out doing their own thing.

    But they are, SP. Just because they don’t do it in front of your face doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it. If people know you’re the sort of person who sees someone being mistreated and puts a stop to it, they’re not going to advertise their mistreatment of others in front of you, now are they? Pay attention to what people say when they think you aren’t listening. It’s quite the eye opener. I’ve heard people’s cruelty first hand thanks to my tendency to wear headphones even when not listening to music when I’m out and about. (I wear them as it’s a moderately effective technique for preventing people from catcalling or hitting on me).

  • Jay Singh

    We have seen plenty of videos of Trump supporters getting assaulted by Trump opponents. We have also seen videos of high school students shouting “build the wall” at their Latino classmates. If anyone thinks the evil is limited to one side, they are sadly mistaken. All of this intolerance, no matter the source, must be condemned.

    The blog by Doctor Corey is one of the most one sided commentaries you will see. It is a classic example of the truth, but nowhere near the whole truth. And, I am not a Trump supporter.

    One reason Hillary Clinton was so unpopular was her double standard, shared by most on the left, toward those who allege sexual assault by her husband. Whereas Hillary Clinton expressed the view that women accusing Trump, and other prominent politicians of unwelcome sexual advances, should be considered credible, Hillary Clinton, and most of the left, closed ranks and tried to destroy the lives of women who alleged Bill Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances.

    How do you explain to your daughter Hillary Clinton’s double standard?

  • Nick

    What abuse do you see?

  • Nick

    What about this post is Christlike?

  • Nick

    This is precisely the concern that thoughtful Christians have. You feel free to spew hateful nonsense around. Trump has given you and your ilk permission in a way I thought only internet anonymity would. As Christ followers we need to be better than this.

  • Nick

    The fact that he constantly contradicts himself is why he should never have been given a chance. How long does it take hanging out with a lying friend before you stop believing them and don’t want to listen to them?

  • kaydenpat

    We will see. It’s crazy that someone like him now holds so much power. His Party wants to get rid of the ACA. I don’t know if they’ll go along with him as Republicans have hated the ACA from the get go.

  • Bones

    You know even Trump was concerned about the spate of black shootings by cops…..

    Interesting that doesn’t faze you but you deflect it onto the evil SatanObamaDemon.

    ” Tired of being over taxed and forced to pay the way for others who do not want to work.”

    It’s ok dude…

    Trump’s going to give himself and the fat pigs eating out of the trough a big tax break…..If you’re lucky you might get a piece of the crumbs…

    It’s cynical the way Trump exploited the working class…

    He does not give a shit about you.

  • kaydenpat

    Your comment is ridiculous. Trump is on video encouraging rally attendees to best up protesters. And there are scores of videos documenting violence meter out against protesters at his rallies. There are zero of Secretary Clinton encouraging her supporters to assault protesters at any of her rallies.

    In fact, President Obama explicitly told rally attendees to leave a protester alone at a recent event.

    Trump is on video boasting about sexually assaulting women and ogling young women as they changed backstage at a pageant. He’s also on record making derogatory comments about women, Mexicans and Muslims.

    Your attempt to defend an unqualified bigot would be laughable but instead reflects the flippant way too many Americans view a uniquely dangerous man.

    The post is dead right. Trump’s Presidency will be harmful to millions of Americans of color as we can see by the spike in racist incidents since his election.

  • Etranger

    “it was Christians who chose not to pay attention to the teachings of Jesus Christ”

    I understand that you mean well, but let’s be honest, none of us has EVER seen such a Christian who follows Jesus. I had to leave the name of Christian behind 22 years ago because I saw the hypocrisy. It was Christianity, as it is manifested in the West, that supports the Republican party, plain and simple. Misogyny homophobia and authoritarianism ARE basic tenets of the Christian faith!

  • Bones

    How do you explain to your daughter that anyone can do anything to her if they grab her by the pussy?

    You know in my country if someone sexually assaults someone they get arrested and go to court.

    That either doesn’t happen in the US or people are making up stories. Now I don’t know if Bill Clinton assaulted anybody….and neither do you….there are claims which have never been tested in a court of law for some reason yet are all over the internet.

    If the blokes guilty then he should be in jail.

    How many times did you people try to bury the Clintons?

    You try to impeach Clinton over a blowie while the greatest murderer of US servicemen and Iraqi civilians based on lies since the Vietnam War gets his own cheersquad.

    There is a pattern with conservatives – they hated Obama and tried to prove he was a secret Muslim and not American, they hated Clinton and tried to get Clinton every way they could.

    It’s a pattern of behaviour which keeps repeating itself.

  • Medusa Jordan

    Your fears are well founded. After the Brexit vote in the UK racist and anti Muslim attacks went up. Racists and other bigots feel emboldened by these results. And the US has some of the most violent extremists in the world.

    At one point the KKK was in sharp decline (due to splinter groups, not because their beliefs had become unpopular), but like a bad penny it has popped up again ‘The number of KKK chapters nationwide grew from 72 to 190 in 2015. The SPLC released a similar report stating that there were significant increases in Klan as well as black separatist groups’.

  • Medusa Jordan

    If you are referring to Prof Corey you have obviously not read the article – he has had to reassure his daughter because children at school have told her to ‘go back where she came from’. He does not describe any of his behaviour that could be described as scaremongering, let alone terrorising.

    If you are referring to someone else perhaps you should clarify?

  • Medusa Jordan

    So brave strong children can defend themselves when outnumbered by vicious bullying children? Perhaps you think that she should be carrying a gun?

  • Racism is a word now used primarily to destroy people who oppose the progressive Left. Donald Trump is not a racist as demonstrated by the election results including the black and hispanic vote totals which exceeded those obtained by Mitt Romney and clearly demonstrated by the results in Wisconsin, Iowa, and Pennsylvania.

    Misogynist: “a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women Donald Trump is not a misogynist. The baseless attack against him by the Democrat Party using 11 women to say he did things to them was a monstrous political attack and nothing more. That you believe it without any corroborative proof is a testament to how effective it was. However, half the country saw it for what it was including women.

    What facts did I miss?

  • Medusa Jordan

    I think that Prof Corey probably didn’t IMAGINE that his child was going to get told to ‘go back where you came from’ by schoolkids days after Trump is POTUS. Parents cannot anticipate every dick move from the outside world.

  • Jay Singh

    Don’t use the term “you” or “you people” to refer to me, or my comment, as I did not try to bury Clinton, or impeach him, you make an intellectually lazy assumption (with emphasis on “ass”) that because I call the blog one sided, and dare to try to analyze Hillary Clinton’s failure to win an election that she should have won handily, that I am an evil conservative, who tried to destroy the Clintons and/or Obama. I specifically stated I did not support Trump.

    The point you ignored, is that Hillary Clinton, at the point allegations were made against Bill Clinton, did not say the women deserved to be heard, and respected. She and many of her supporters engaged in scorched earth campaigns against the Bill Clinton accusers. This is in stark contrast to her statements about respecting the women who came forward against Trump.

    I rather suspect both the Clinton accusers and the Trump accusers were telling more truth than fiction, but the contrast in how the accusations were treated by Hillary Clinton is certainly worth noting. And, or course, what I suspect about the underlying truth of the accusations is not valid in court.

    Neither you nor I know what the truth is, but we can see the difference in the response by Hillary Clinton and supporters to the allegations against Bill Clinton, versus the response by Hillary Clinton to the allegations against Trump.

    Your response to my post is simply a general rant against Trump supporters, rather than a response to the specifics of what I said.
    Assuming a person is an anti Clinton/Obama fanatic because he criticizes Hillary Clinton is part of the problem in this country. People jump to overall conclusions, by mindlessly extrapolating a statement.

  • This election was about change. Trumps victory showed conclusively that the American people were “not fooled” by Hillary Clinton. She was totally defeated. Her strategy of dividing the country along racial, ethnic and gender lines failed. She is so corrupt that there is serious talk that Obama will pardon her so she can’t be tried for her crimes. That will be an admission beyond belief. I can’t wait to see it unfold.

    As to the failed Affordable Care Act:
    1. You can keep your doctor – LIE
    2. You can keep your plan – LIE
    3. Your family will save $2500 per year – LIE

    Trump has said he will keep the pre-existing conditions part and the age for children on their parents plan. “Pillars” hardly. Compassion definitely. Now you will see how a President is supposed to govern.

  • Jay Singh

    I made absolutely no attempt to defend Trump, if you read the post, rather than decided to respond to me with your off the shelf, pre-packaged talking points. What part of my post defended Trump? Be specific.

    I very evenhandedly brought up both the physical attacks on Trump supporters, which I have seen on videos, as well as the awful “build the wall” chants at a high school. These chants came from white students and were directed at latino students.

    I specifically stated that the hateful activity, coming from any side, should be condemned. I also stated that there is hate coming from the Trump opponents, and if you think it is only coming from Trump and supporters, the videos show you are mistaken

    Stop answering specific posts with general talking points that attack things I did not say.

  • That’s what Hillary was supposed to do? What happened to her? She got slaughtered. Too bad for the progressives.

  • kaydenpat

    There is no both sides do it argument between Trump and Clinton. Your attempt to counter Corey’s well written and detailed post failed. He explained why his daughter is afraid of a Trump Presidecy, and her concerns are rightfully shared by millions of other Americans — including those who are White. The fears expressed by Corey’s daughter about a Trump Presidency are not transferable to Secretary Clinton. Period.

    And don’t tell me what to write. You don’t get to tell people how to address their valid concerns when a bigot is elected to the highest office in this country. We are not going to play along with your silly game that both sides are the same when they are plainly not.

  • Jay Singh

    I did not attempt to transfer fears of Trump to fears of Clinton. I stated the Corey blog was true but one sided.

    You responded to me with accusations of being a Trump defender when nothing I put in my post even remotely implied it. I did not oppose what Corey said, I stated it was lacking in other true elements.

    If you are going to make accusations that are not based upon what I said, you are going to get a response from me. Sounds like you can dish it out, but cannot take it.

  • I like to think most Christians try to follow the teachings of Jesus. so just because you left the faith because of the hypocrisy you were seeing or committing doesn’t give you the authority to speak for everyone (“none of us”) or to accuse all Christians of not following Jesus.

  • Etranger

    I don’t know…I think as a good observer of Christianity in the West, I should have qualifications for stating that I have never seen Christianity follow the teachings of Christ. The first second commandment of Jesus was to love others as you love yourself. Still waiting to observe that in any meaningful form!

  • Etranger

    It means a president received oral sex in the W.H. It is not something you expect of your president and shows very poor character and judgment. There – pretty easy.

  • The same way you explain to your kids how Newt Gingrich led the impeachment of Pres Clinton while Gingrich himself was having sex with a woman who was not his wife. Newt’s wife was in a hospital dying of cancer when he told her he wanted a divorce…And now it is probable Gingrich will be a part of drumpf’s/trump’s cabinet.

  • Bones

    How do you explain to your children you slaughtered innocent women and children based on a lie?

    But yeah the blowie’s the more important thing.

    As usual Christians only think about the real problems of the world – what someone did with their dick…..

  • Bones

    Yeah you’re right…

    It’s one sided….Well done Einstein….

    I think the Trump rally is somewhere else….

    Probably over the road from where the gay haters go…..

  • Bones

    It’s where you put a dick in someone’s mouth.

    “But mummy why did we blow up those women and kids and f*ck their country up when they did nothing to us?”

  • Etranger

    When if it is not age appropriate you don’t talk about it. How did you explain pussy to your kids when Trump said a man with money and power can grab them whenever he wants?

  • Etranger

    Of course not, you should never do something sexual you don’t want to do. (Even though clinton got oral sex from a woman who was not his wife, the actual sex act was not coercive or forced).

  • Bones

    It’s pretty obvious given the assertion YOU have made and believed.

    Once again, if there is any allegations of sexual assault that’s what the police are for….

    I doubt YOU know any more than i do and have just listened to shit off the internet.

    Heck someone posted here the other day that Clinton’s were part of a paedophile ring and were being arrested last week.

    My response to YOU is you believe any old shit you hear.

    Unfortunately in the days of social media, critical thinking has died in favour of propaganda.

  • Bones

    Given your lack of intelligence, it’s probably the only way you’ll get one.

  • Etranger

    Okay. Well, I never had to explain Clinton’s bj either. Question was never asked. I love conservatives making excuses for people depending on the time and place of the supposedly bad behavior. Keep it up.

  • Bones

    The states Trump took, Sanders took off Clinton….it wasn’t a surprise that Wisconsin and others went to trump.

    Obama wouldn’t have lost them and Sanders would’ve killed Trump.

    And I wouldn’t say someone who won more votes was slaughtered….Strange thing democracy…..

  • Bones

    There was only one person dividing the country and that was your messiah….

    And your vindictive hatred of Hilary Clinton has been noted by your continual lies and smears that you post.

    You really are a disgraceful hypocrite who relishes in lying about others.

    Now it’s going to be delicious coming back to this page in the future when we get to see what Trump is really like…..

    Those campaign slogans are changing already…..

  • Bones

    It will be interesting. Trump only believes in Trump…..

  • Jay Singh

    You are lacking in critical thinking. You assume that because I said that Hillary Clinton had a different standard for treating Bill Clinton accusers than for treating Donald Trump accusers that I automatically believe the Clinton accusers.

    That is a totally unsupported assumption, not even remotely implied in anything I have posted. You have jumped to an unsupported conclusion about me, because you lack nuanced thinking.

    My comment focused on how Hillary Clinton treated Bill Clinton accusers versus how she treated Donald Trump accusers. The specific accusations against both men were not simply internet rumors.

    You do no critical thinking since you dodge the issue of the contradiction between how Hillary Clinton responded to Bill Clinton accusers, versus how she responded to Trump accusers.

    No evidence anywhere in what I have posted that I believe anything I hear. Another lack of critical thinking on your part.

  • In the words of Obama to McCain when trying to work with him about Obamacare. “John, you lost.” Good words for you to ponder as Trump rips apart all the nonsense Obama has perpetuated like pulling a stuck bandaid off a wound.

  • Bones

    Lol Trump is ‘draining the swamp’ by surrounding himself with lobbyists…..

    Anti-establishment my arse….

    ‘Drain the Swamp’? Trump’s Potential Cabinet Fills Out With Washington Insiders

    “But despite Donald Trump’s campaign pledge to “drain the swamp” in Washington and his outsider campaign, many of the prospects are clear Washington insiders.

    Sources tell NBC News that Texas Rep. Mike McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, is being considered for Secretary of Homeland Security; former Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers, a past chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, is on the list for Director of the CIA; while Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling, chairman of the Financial Services Committee, is in the mix for Treasury Secretary.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/drain-swamp-trump-s-potential-cabinet-fills-out-washington-insiders-n682341

  • Bones

    You still haven’t got over that….

    If only you gave a shit about US servicemen and women and children….

  • Bones

    Given your line of stupid questioning, it’s well deserved.

  • Etranger

    You were guilty of false equivalency. How did we even get on the topic of Bill Clinton and the bj to begin with? Oh yeah, you brought it up out of no where.

    Yes, Trump did make the comments as a private citizen years ago. (He never apologized for it btw).

    Clinton’s lying was the cause of impeachment. So he was punished for it.

    I am very thankful no has ever recorded my trash talk. Although, as an adult, I any recordings they would make would never make anyone shocked that is for sure. I don’t talk like Trump.

  • Herm

    The self-centered ignorant of this world really scare me more than any, most especially in a democracy. The war in Syria began even before Bush destabilized the Middle East beginning with Shock and Awe. The war in Syria began due to a severe drought from which the government did not support their people so the Syrians rebelled. The do nothing Republican congress of the USA for the last six years, bent on doing nothing for the executive office it vowed to not support, did not support the needs of the people. The people of the USA have rebelled by tripling down and putting the Republicans in control of all three branches of our government. How smart is that?

    Neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton were complicit in getting us into any wars that were not begun and/or exasperated by the George H. Bush administration, none, fact.

    You cast stupid and unfounded dispersion on Hillary’s relationships in total denial of Donald’s responsibility for proven affairs in dalliance, his ethics of stiffing contracts, and an ongoing indictment of fraud.

    You can continue your education through Breitbart News Network and Rush Limbaugh commentary if you will, for that is who mentors Donald J. Trump almost exclusively …or… you can wake up, get a set of responsible balls, and study the world from all angles. I did, have, and have learned to discern truth from con.

  • Sneezyone

    News flash: Most kids in America are born to unmarried parents these days. That does not mean they all live in poverty or gang infested neighborhoods. My cousin, for ex, is unmarried and has a one year old. She’s also in college and BOTH of her parents are multimillionaires. Whatever the patterns you observe in your area, they do not apply to all or even most black people despite what Mr. Trump told you. But you already know that because you don’t assume, right? Like the assumption that I cannot distinguish your ignorance from racist speech? Bless your heart.

  • Bones

    You mean like George W did when he sent the boys to invade iraq….

    Oh bot he didn’t get a blowie that would’ve been really bad…

  • Etranger

    Yes, I already told you that in my comment lol.

  • Etranger

    Where did I say he was impeached for a consensual act?

  • Bones

    Hahaha you’re lacking in critical thinking dude.

    You believe any old shit on the internet.

    And maybe you have the results of the police investigation there that Clinton was supposed to leave her husband over…..

    They’re probably with the all the other slurs that have been made against them.

    It’s interesting the way you people defend Trump.

    He wouldn’t have a problem with some young thing giving him a blowie in the White House.

  • Bones

    The intelligence was pressured by the Bush administration……

    Ask Powell….

    Bush and his cabinet should be impeached and tried for war crimes.

  • Jay Singh

    Once again, you did not respond to the substance of my comment, you just decide to insult people. I never defended Trump, not a word.

    Nothing I have posted is based on internet rumors, nor related to police investigations.

    You steadfastly refuse to address the difference between how Hillary Clinton treated Bill Clinton accusers, from the moment of the accusations, versus how Hillary Clinton treated Trump accusers from the moment of the accusations.

    You can make all the irrelevant comments about internet rumors, and dodge the point I originally made all you want, When you bring in irrelevant material, it just shows you cannot contradict what I originally posted, about Hillary Clinton’s double standard toward the various accusers.

    Keep dodging the original point, just proves you have no response to it.

  • Etranger

    It would be a good comparison if the situations were similar. Clinton’s situation was not the same. Also, many on the left were actually outraged at his behavior anyhow. Trump’s comments and actions are quite different.

  • Herm

    Redbone, grow up. How did you explain to your kids Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy? How will you explain to your kids how someone under indictment for fraud was elected to the office of the presidency of the United States of America? Most important question here: how did you explain what a blowjob given to the President in the Oval Office means? … or did you?

  • Martha Anne Underwood

    At least when the ACA came into effect I could get insurance that I could afford with the help of a subsidy from the federal government. Because of that I was able to get medical care that I desperately needed but could not afford until the Affordable Care Act was past. Before that I had no insurance so when I broke my hip, I had surgery but nothing else. Couldn’t afford to pay privately for PT. I had just moved in with the deacon in my Episcopal Church and we were just getting to know each other when this happened. When the hospital began the process of sending me home, they said that with no insurance, I was not going to go to a rehab center at all that I either had to go back to stay with my friend and or be dropped off at the Union Mission. Although she was not in the best of health herself and taking care of me would take a toll on her physically, she could not let me be dumped anywhere. So I went back to live with her and our church helped bring meals and stay with me when she had other obligations. If I was truly homeless, I would have been taken to the Union Mission.

    I am sorry that insurance premiums are going up for some people, but does that give us the right as Christians to deny basic health care to our poorest and marginalized? I was a teacher and then worked in Christian Education. I have a Masters in Education and often worked two jobs to support myself. But am I more valuable because I am white and had opportunities that others did not have?

    I am now on social security and Medicare and was working with students who have autism until I broke my shoulder that wouldn’t heal, and had to have shoulder replacement. This time because I pay $122 a month for Medicare and $144 for supplemental insurance and prescriptions, I was able to get all the PT I needed as well as the surgery. Then the knee I needed replaced became so painful that I and I couldn’t go back to work because I am physically incapable of doing the work. If Paul Ryan doesn’t cut Medicare before I get my knee replaced, then I can go back to work.

    I don’t feel entitled to anything but for me the church and the government should help those less fortunate than others. If you read the parable of the sheep and the goats carefully, you will see that Jesus is speaking to the nations, not individual people. I am not a believer in hell, but I do believe that I will be judged for the sins that I did not repent of and so will the nations. I will repent and be forgiven.

    Pres. Elect Trump said in one of his speeches that he has no need to be forgiven and will not forgive anyone else. Christ said that for those who forgive others, their sins will be forgiven; those who do not forgive, their sins will be retained. If Mr. Trump claims to be Christian that he damn well better act like one in his speech and in his actions (and yes someone else already given me a list of the good things Trump has done, so please don’t go there with me.) If he hadn’t claimed to be Christian then he was perfectly within his right to say all the nasty things he did. The thing is that there are many atheists I know who treat the poor and marginalized better than many Christians I know and many of them don’t like what Trump said on the campaign trail any more than I as a Christian did.

    Now I don’t care what religion or non religion our President is. I still want the President to talk respectfully about people.

  • Herm

    Let me address your concerns, please.

    How would you feel and react if your spouse was being accused of infidelity before the world court of opinion … as versus … your political opponent (referring to you as “crooked Hiilary” who will jail you if put in office) being accused by a dozen women of sexual assault after he was caught on tape in that character of morality? Do you see the contrast when you put yourself in the shoes of each? I truly hope so. If you don’t you really do believe Hillary Rodham Clinton is a robot and should be held to an inhuman emotional standard of perfection.

    Denial is the first stage … anger to fight back (defensively at anything logical or not) is the second stage of human grief when a relationship dies.

  • Herm

    Very well done with a lot of clear effort to be empathetic. Thank you so very much! Love you!

  • Jay Singh

    Thank you for at least addressing the issue. Let me respond.

    There is a contrast that is valid, between the accusations against a spouse, and accusations against a political opponent, which are then given substantial credence by the tapes that Trump made.

    Now, if there had been only one accusation against Bill Clinton, then the scorched earth policy would have been understandable. But there were several, and at no point did Hillary Clinton show the slightest compassion for any of the accusers.

    I do not believe Hillary Clinton is a robot, although there are many people who worked with her who found her to be really nasty.

    At some point during the Clinton administration, as more women came out, I think Hillary Clinton should have shown more compassion for the accusers, and canned the scorched earth approach.

    It is also worth pointing out that there are more stages than simply the first (denial) and second (fighting back).

    In a political sense, Hillary Clinton did become vulnerable to the double standard criticism, and it did contribute to the belief that she was simply a politician who would do whatever she had to do to get elected. Sure, Trump may have been even worse, but Hillary had a lot of her own baggage, and the question of how she dissed Bill’s numerous accusers was not at all helpful to her.

    What I find irritating about these posts is you get people who think that because someone mentions a Hillary Clinton shortcoming, they are somehow pro Trump.

    I am as puzzled as anyone at how Hillary squandered this election, which should have been a cake walk. Thus, it is important to analyze what she did wrong, including what I have mentioned about Bill’s accusers.

  • I do pray that whatever institution you are in does not cut off your internet privileges so you have time to see what a competent leader like president Trump can accomplish.

  • Lancelot Blackeburne

    I could say that I’m feeling physically sick and wanting to vomit reading this drivel. By then, I read so much of this rubbish during the recent election campaign that I’ve become immunized

    I thought, and continue to think, that Hillary Clinton would be a total disaster as President. That doesn’t make me a racist who is going to make the world an unsafe place for your “non-white” daughter. Nor does it make me a KKK member or sympathizer.

    The very title of your article “What I Wish My White Friends and Family Understood…..” indicates you believe “white people” are responsible for all ills in the world. News flash: they’re not. And your statement indicates inherent racism on your part.

    But those are the kind of accusations, repeated ad nauseum by Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, that led many of those Hillary Clinton dismissed as as “deplorables” to cast their vote for Donald Trump.

    You sound just like all the other “progressives” whose first response to anyone who disagrees with them is to yell “racist, sexist, anti gay” or “fascist” or “Nazi” in hopes of shutting down any argument by demonizing your opponents. Or to simply shout down and drown out any speaker you disagree with by using high decibel levels rather than reasonable discussion.

    I’m sure those actions led to many people voting for Trump.

    As for violence, check out the current “anti-Trump protests” that are going on in cities across the U.S. Those aren’t Trump supporters creating all the violence, burning, property destruction and general mayhem. That’s your side doing that; don’t blame conservatives for it.

    Watching these violent antics will only lead more people to support Trump.

    I hope I haven’t triggered you. If I have, might I suggest you head for your safe space.

  • cvxxx

    Where was the compassion for others over the last 8 years when SJW’s terrorized anyone who disagreed? The prejudice against heterosexual men started due to the cowardice of legislators. Most are disciplined enough to see the great challenges ahead. The world has changed economically and will change much more in the future where the precariat are rising in numbers.

  • Where was the compassion for others when Bernie Sanders ran against a candidate who garnered support of labor union elites but who sat for six years on the board of Wal-Mart – a virulently anti-union company which pays many of its employees such a pittance that they have to get food stamps to survive?

  • Evelyn C Raymond

    Wow I know exactly how you feel and unfortunately I have already experienced the post Trump it’s okay to discriminate against people who don’t live in what some cab drivers perceive to be the ‘right ” neighborhood. I was visiting my relatives in NYC in NY on election day. I had already done the voting thing and while I was cautiously optimistic I really hoped my fellow citizens wouldn’t be fooled by Trump. I was wrong and a bit worried about what would happen Trumps America. I found out on Thursday night when I flew back home to Knoxville. When I got off the plane at 10 pm and went to the taxi stand to get home. To my horror I was told by 2 cab drivers that they don’t go to my apartment complex at night. I live in public housing that is actually 90% white but if you were to ask white Knoxville residents they would tell you oh no it’s all black. Lucky for me a kind white gentleman was willing to give me a ride home. But I wonder what if any consequences will come to the two cab companies that refused me. I did send a email to airport who gives exclusive rights to these companies to provide service to the airport so I guess I’ll find out soon. So I guess this is the new America for anyone who is “other”. I grieve for my America the one I was taught to love in school. The one where everyone was welcome.

  • Keith Barger

    It is better to learn that from a comprehensive sex education class. We all deserve to understand our human sexuality. The lack of knowledge of our children allow sick adults to exploit it.

  • Fulgentian

    How horrible!
    Is anyone else here experiencing this abuse? I live in the UK so I have no idea what it’s like.

  • Delta

    “When I got off the plane at 10 pm and went to the taxi stand to get
    home. To my horror I was told by 2 cab drivers that they don’t go to my
    apartment complex at night.” This didn’t happen before? It happened a lot in my city (San Francisco) and elsewhere. It’s one of the big reasons Uber did so well. You can’t blame this on Trump, sorry.

  • Herm

    I don’t know that anyone could have done any better with a record of false accusations against her for the last 30 years. I have been growing in politically savvy for all of those 30 years as a concerned adult.

    I watched, the minute she took the reigns to legally drive as a First Lady with the President’s ear healthcare for all, how she personally has:

    … been investigated and cleared of partisan criminal claims in “Whitewater”.

    … been investigated and cleared of partisan criminal claims in Vince Foster’s death.

    … been investigated and cleared of partisan criminal claims in “Travelgate”.

    … been investigated and cleared of partisan criminal claims in Benghazi.

    … been investigated and cleared of partisan criminal claims in her use of a private email server.

    In empathy and compassion for another human being do you believe yourself tough enough to have survived that onslaught of false partisan incrimination and bigoted besmirching of character to run for President of the United States of America as the first woman to do so. Do you have any idea the strength it takes to face 150 heads of foreign states, representing the imperfections you highlight of our nation, over four years and have lost no credibility from any, except the opposing political party at home?

    Do you believe, or are you truly naive as to what it takes to be a statesman for 30 years, that you or I can judge her shortcomings?

    It is those who ignorantly deny her honed skills to be tough enough and constructively effective enough to lead as the Commander and Chief and President of the world’s strongest military and economy in favor of Donald Trump’s experience, morality and ethics who I accuse of extremely short sighted judgment. I am in the second stage for my relationship of continued hope for this nation has just died.

    I am too old to flee so being responsible to all of mankind as an influential member I will remain to fight in an effort to bring the USA back from the ashes of Trumpism married to the same conservative cancer that took us down in the last Republican executive/congressional/supreme court influence.

    Before I can get my full strength of effectiveness back I anticipate bargaining, depression and acceptance yet to come.

    Today I know that analyzing where Hillary’s campaign went wrong does not entail focusing on her strengths and weaknesses but on the unrelenting conservative far right Republican bombardment for the last 30 years. Clearly an obstructionist do nothing party that did their best not to support the first Black President, right from the very beginning, will employ their 30 years of investment to discredit a potential first woman president with even more vigor.

    Oh am I angry when those who would take us back to the good old days before Franklin Delano Roosevelt take power by the support of those who voted for change from Barack Obama that, though moving in the direction for their good, didn’t come fast enough so they voted for certain change they will find in Donald Trump. The same Donald Trump who floated the lie that the first Black President was an illegal pretender to the office of President of the United States of America.

    Hillary didn’t squander this election. It was pushed over the precipice during voting by Comey’s reminder of “crooked” Hillary’s 30 year history of investigation. The vote was that close even with the prevalence of self centered ignorance reaching for any straw to rest power from the Washington elites who weren’t providing for them fast enough. Without all of the detestable political shenanigans over the last 30 years there still would have been the childishly selfish who would have shot our nation in the foot by voting for the party most responsible for their discomfort. The all too easily swayed (fickle) but intelligent adult voter most likely would have voted for Hillary without if they had not bought into the false partisan discrediting effort of the past 30 years, not in just the last 18 months.

    We are sick as a nation with more than just grief. We are a democracy governed by representation elected by the pull of constituent heartstrings without the balance of a majority of informed, discerning minds dedicated to the good of all.

    Let them eat cake!

    Love you and your concern to sort this thing out!

  • Al Cruise

    How should the 1000+ top evangelical leaders that endorsed him feel?

  • philiphansten

    Beautifully said. Only one slight addition… Trump will indeed make the world more dangerous for all kids of any color, because he is a climate change denier. It will be worse for kids of color, of course, for the reasons you mentioned. But the potential catastrophe of not acting on climate change is staggering. As a scientist, I am dismayed at the complete lack of scientific understanding by Trump and his associates… it will likely be our undoing as a human race.

  • Herm

    … got ’em fully functional and concealed in respect for your modesty in my pants, thank you!

  • Fulgentian

    What do you think might happen?

  • Herm
  • Inf

    Amen!!!

  • Inf

    “How will you explain to your kids how someone under indictment for fraud was elected to the office of the presidency of the United States of America?”

    I didn’t know Hillary was elected!

  • Herm

    Inf, you then are one of too many of the illiterate electorate who put the only candidate into the office of the presidency of the United States of America who is and has ever been indicted for a federal crime. Good luck on your informed choice!

  • Inf

    …and neither does Hillary or Obama!

  • El Dee

    Trump has been the fear monger in chief.

  • Inf

    Yeah, Hillary and Obama never changed their minds, did they??

  • P J Evans

    Anyone using “SJW” in that way has already lost the argument.

  • R Davis

    Yes, beautifully stated–however. You’re really not that much different from those you complain about–because you’re still viewing this through your very narrow lens of privilege. You still only see how this affects you and yours. That became painfully clear when you stated that Trump’s policies affect only non-white children.

    White kids will be affected by Trump. In so many concrete ways. In so many more abstract, more subtle ways.

    White adults, too. Like the ones who’ll lose their jobs and homes and see their retirement savings wiped out (AGAIN) when he tanks the economy–and then will have no safety net when his administration guts Medicare and very likely Social Security, food stamps, etc.

    Like those who’ll have no healthcare (AGAIN) when he repeals the ACA.

    Like those who’ll have to endure nine months of pregnancy and childbirth to bring unwanted children into the world.

    Like those who’ll watch the price of groceries skyrocket because with no “illegals,” there will be no one to work our massive farms. I drive through CA’s Imperial Valley a couple of times a week–and trust me, there are no white people sweating in our onion fields.

    I could go on and on, but I’m too sick and to weary to do so.

    But I’m sorry, you’re no better than those you’re accusing. You’re just as blind and insular as they are. And THAT–the fact that so many privileged white people are unable (or unwilling) to see past their own pressing issues–is the reason Trump is our President-Elect.

  • P J Evans

    So you’d rather see the world die that let a qualified woman be president.
    White male privilege speaks: you won’t be the first one hurt.

  • P J Evans

    All the people saying that he used to be a Democrat? Not on the left, but on the right.
    Check the color of your sky.

  • P J Evans

    This isn’t just bullying. This includes ADULTS too. And people have been hurt. Some have killed themselves. More will die.
    I have to assume, from the bullshit you spout, that you’ve never been outside your white conservative bubble in your life.

  • P J Evans

    We’ve seen far more videos of Trump supporters attacking others, of them threatening reporters who couldn’t move away from them, of them screaming obscenities at anyone who isn’t just like them.
    Tell us again how nice they are – and this time try to lie more convincingly.

  • Inf

    All we need now are the hooligans sent and paid for by the Democratic Party.

  • P J Evans

    Doesn’t understand the concept of “consenting adults” either. But is willing to vote for and support unashamed adulterers who talk about committing sexual assault and how much he’d like to have sex with his own daughter.

  • P J Evans

    Trump will thank you for your vote.

  • P J Evans

    He wasn’t the first – but he was the first where anyone thought it was a matter of interest for the public and the law.

  • El Dee

    Obviously, you’re a Trump chump.
    Your deceit is remarkable. No wonder you failed to disclose.
    OK, 1986-1992 HRC was director 30 years ago. That’s in Arkansas while Bill was governor. The world was different then. Reagan was President.
    No one made claims of welfare wages at Wal-Mart in 1986-92. Reagan was just getting busy killing labor unions. Reagan was a Democrat in 1962.

  • Lancelot Blackeburne

    1./ We have a different definition of “qualified woman.” I don’t consider Hillary Clinton to be qualified for the Presidency, period. The fact that she is female has nothing to do with it.

    2./ The world is not going to die because Hillary Clinton was not elected or because Donald Trump is the President elect.

    3./ “White male privilege”? Only the “progressives” and “SJW’s” use that term but since you bring it up, I am a white heterosexual male. I don’t consider any apologies necessary for my ethnic heritage, orientation or gender; no apologies offered.

    And I won’t be shamed into shutting up and giving in because you accuse me of “white male privilege.”

    4./ “You won’t be the first one hurt”? Out come the threats of violence that we have come to expect from people who use terms like “white male privilege.”

  • Al Cruise

    Wrong. They feel very good. What they want is anti abortion, anti LGBT supreme court justice appointments which they will get. They couldn’t give a rat’s ass about about the white working class in the rust belt that gave Trump the Presidency. They will all shout success, God has answered prayer after the appointments are made. What will those whites see, less jobs and more opiate addiction.

  • El Dee

    It’s the GOP who fuk’d you. Now it’s the GOP with an open racist who is going to continue the gang bang.
    C’mon you are a racist bigot plain and simple. You and the KKK are partying.

  • El Dee

    I would expect them to think that abortion banning and gay marriage annulment are knocking at the door.

  • Lancelot Blackeburne

    There it goes. The instant resort to accusations of racism and KKK membership (or sympathies) against people you disagree with.

    You just provided good evidence for my argument.

  • cvxxx

    You don’t make the rules. Facts are there. This is not a Godwin’s law case.

  • Etranger

    Not to defend Redbone, but how was he to know what state you voted in and whether your Jill Stein vote did or did not help Trump? (Of course, if 150K+ more people had voted for Stein, it would have been a different result in Oregon…)

  • cvxxx

    Ignorance is not bliss. How many schools have complete sex education. How many parents are comfortable discussing sex with their children.

  • Etranger

    Very good points. I wonder how he explains the concept of a the God Christians believe in to his kids? That is much more difficult to explain than oral sex!!

  • Jack McMillan

    Evelyn,
    Sorry to hear about the taxi – glad someone gave you a ride. McGhee-Tyson airport is a bit far from Knoxville ( more like Alcoa or Maryville, really).
    I’m from Knoxville originally (Marble City), so I’m glad to hear there are still some gentlemen left.

  • Etranger

    Fair point. It just didn’t reveal that he knows nothing about our electoral process…

  • Al Cruise

    I never believed he was a trojan horse. I have always believed because of facts based on his past history, and things he openly says that he is a white supremacist and nationalist . Just look at the close ties with Steve Bannon. He is also the best opportunist alive. White evangelicals/white working class were low hanging fruit for him.

  • Etranger

    Well, that just means that you were secure in the fact that Jill stein would only receive under 4% of the vote in Oregon. If you had not known that, we would have a different conversation.

  • Herm

    R Davis, of course you are right in your broader perspective but in a large community disaster, as an emergency preparedness first responder, I am trained to react from my condition, to my dependent’s condition, to my immediate neighborhood’s condition and then when all that is stabilized I will report to resources ready to deploy.

    Perhaps, in this heart rendering perceived disaster, the father in Benjamin is reacting from his dependent’s condition now through this, his “beautifully stated” catharsis. I am certain with his love for all, including his enemies, he will broaden the view for us to discuss an actual solution that we all deploy to participate in for the good of all.

    Please, give us all this early time to ruminate together with our focused as close second priority on our immediate family dependent upon each other before we, as a deeply concerned community, move on to the larger coordinated healing of our nation and our world, please.

    Thank for suffering to move beyond your too sick and too weary to share with us your heartfelt grief! Love you!

  • kaydenpat

    For those interested, Raw Story is keeping a list of bullying incidents which have occurred after Trump’s election. Such incidents are why his daughter is concerned about what will happen to people like her now that a man who made bigoted comments and who has the full support of White Supremacists is the President.
    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/welcome-to-trumps-america-58-reports-of-people-bullied-by-emboldened-bigots-and-the-list-is-growing/

  • Southern__Hoosier

    “I wish they knew what it felt like to read the many horrific testimonies coming out of America in the past 24 hours. I wish they knew the feeling I get as I read each story of people of color being harassed and threatened while pumping gas, while walking down the street, or just minding their own business, and realize that these people– now emboldened by Trump– will now feel far more permission to harm my child.”

    It sure sounds like she is getting a lot of her terror from home. He can say all the soothing words he wants, but it is is body language that counts. And the subtle message he is giving her that counts.

  • You do have the right to express your opinions about Christianity, your qualifications are what you have determined for you. You choose not to see Christians following the teachings if Jesus Christ performing countless selfless acts of kindness daily, showing compassion, providing for the least among us, for those in need physically and spiritually. Just as I suggested your comments regarding Christian hypocrisy might be rooted in your own hypocrisy it may very well be your inability to see Christians doing the best they can as humans to follow and practice the teachings of Jesus Christ is because you seem to be self-absorbed and project that on everyone around you. Your cynicism is cancerous and seems to be making you a very bitter and self-righteous person. So very sad for you, I hope and pray you are able to find your way out of your self imposed darkness….

  • Etranger

    Thank you for an excellent illustration of precisely what I was talking about. Typical judgmental attitude, and inability to understand what the tenets of Christianity are. Are there excellent Christians out there doing good work? Of course there are. I would never argue that there are not. I will challenge the naive notion that somehow “Christianity” is immune from criticism and that some bad apples are not “following Jesus”. Christianity is a prejudiced notion – it states right in its credo that Jesus is the only way to salvation! – so how can Christianity not be blamed for support of a candidate who wants people to think they are better than others?

    I am not bitter. I just think simplistic religious platitudes and ignorance of the religion is dangerous. I will admit to having been extremely harmed by Christianity. It is important to me to make sure people are not misled by false claims.

  • Etranger

    No. Just pointing out how the system works. I was never wrong to begin with lol.

  • burton brunson

    Hillary was giving a speech on tv the other day. Maybe it was her concession speech. She ended with a statement to little girls and young women, encouraging them to great things; the future was theirs to seize. Not true. Young women can seize the future unless their name is Melissa Klein and they want to make a living making cakes for nice people. In which case, they must obey their government’s instructions, regardless how it affects their own lives. Disobedience will bring a government attempt to ruin you. Clinton’s statement was unnecessary. She enjoys lying so much she even does it when there’s no reason for it, except the sheer enjoyment she gets from it. This is qualified to be president?
    Can someone define white privilege, and tell me where I collect my share?

  • Obscurely

    You’re denying the facts of Trump’s own regular PUBLIC hate speech …

  • Southern__Hoosier

    “the world is a far more dangerous place for her, simply because she’s not white.” I’m sure that is very reassuring to her.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    Is Raw Story also posting stories about Trump supporters being beaten? Or calls to assassinate Tump? Or fake attacks? Or Hillary supporters burning cities? You have to realize that Raw Story is little more than leftist propaganda. but the whole story doesn’t matter to you, does it?

  • Southern__Hoosier

    Here’s a story you won’t see on Raw Story because it doesn’t fit their leftist agenda.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3930058/Chicago-man-beaten-bystanders-shout-anti-Trump-taunts.html

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  • El Dee

    You made the claim that you were not a racist – that’s a lie, you are in denial, as Trump says he “respects women”. The reality is you ARE a racist if you support a racist. You don’t have to carry a card.

  • Jay Singh

    Since I did not ever tell anyone the Trump supporters were nice in the first place, as you can see if you bothered to actually read what I said, I can’t tell anyone AGAIN how nice they are.

    My post was quite clear in ripping into the white high school students who chanted “build the wall”. Did you gloss over it?

    Violence by one side does not get a pass because the other side has used more violence. And, any implication that all the evil is coming from one side is a distortion of reality; an omission of a key fact is tantamount to a lie.

    Your post is yet another example of taking prepared talking points and using them when someone posts something other than a denunciation of Trump.

  • El Dee

    You squandered it on racist misogyny.

  • I don’t remember kids being afraid to go to school about Clinton’s affair either. If you’re not trolling what is your point?

  • Your comments “I don’t know…I think as a good observer of Christianity in the West, I should have qualifications for stating that I have never seen Christianity follow the teachings of Christ. The first second commandment of Jesus was to love others as you love yourself. Still waiting to observe that in any meaningful form!” and then a complete reversal. Say what you will about me and my fellow believers, we have heard worse from better. I will not waste any more time discussing this with you but I will remember to pray for you….

  • Herm

    Southern_Hoosier, you don’t get it. This is not about us against them, whoever us might be and they might be. It is about the destructive spirit of us against them that has been unleashed by the power invested in one candidate who called every opponent vindictive and derogatory names, everyone, including all innocent refugees we don’t know.

    I am not going to defend any who fight with the sword in place of the cross. My Teacher has convinced me that the only solution to supporting one another is not the divisive attitude of competitive one upsmanship, especially in name calling, but only through the attitude of in everything I do to all others as I would have all others do to me. You are not contributing to the solution, only to further exacerbation of the problem. We are one species of mankind in the image of God; each one different and unique. United we are supportive resources to one another, divided we can only be burdens to one another.

    I love you and hope for nothing but the best for you. For that reason, and that I love all of mankind as one body, I plead that you cease this competitive attack on those with very real grief in shock due to recent political events. Do so because you would have all others cease their attack on you.

  • Herm

    What the hell is “white privilege”?

  • Jay Singh

    The reason for the Clinton loss was the relatively low turnout among traditional supporters of the Democratic party. Clinton failed to get out her base to the degree necessary. This has been widely reported in many parts of the news media. In spite of the statements Trump made about Mexicans, the Democrats got a lower percentage of the latino vote in 2016 versus 2012. Amazing.

    Several elected Democrats from the rust belt states that Hillary Clinton lost were worried that she was taking Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania for granted. It has been reported that Bill Clinton gave Hillary Clinton campaign advice that she did not follow.

    The failure to get out the base to the degree necessary had ZERO to do with travelgate, Benghazi, or Vince Foster.

    With all the mud thrown at Hillary Clinton over the years, she was a strong favorite coming out of the convention, and the polls reflected that. Trump had incredible, and well deserved, negatives, and he got the magic 270 plus electoral votes.

    No, this is not mainly the fault of Fox News, Gingrich, McConnell, Ryan, etc., this is the failure of the losing candidate. In spite of her money advantage, she lost, and while the details you give about the venom against Hillary Clinton over the last 30 years are accurate, your “blame everyone but the loser” is something I flatly reject. The incremental mud from the convention time to November 8 changed few minds, I would say. Even at election day, the electorate felt Hillary Clinton was more qualified than Trump to be President. But, the base did not get energized. Her fault.

    Romney blamed his 2012 loss on a computer glitch that supposedly wrecked his get out the vote efforts. Romney also blamed Hurricane Sandy for helping Obama look good at election time. This sort of thing seems to happen every Presidential election.

    When will we get over this “my candidate lost, blame the other party” buck passing? When a party loses a very winnable election, and they blame everyone but themselves, they are doing the opposing party a great favor.

  • Lancelot Blackeburne

    Whatever.

    Note your convoluted logic. I’m supposedly a racist because Trump says he “respects women”. Huh?

    You claim that I am a racist “if [I] support a racist.” Where have you shown that I “support a racist”? Who is the racist I supposedly support? Trump? Where have you made the allegation that Trump is a racist? All you said is that I have lied about being a racist because Trump says he “respects women”.

    You’ve just provided more good evidence for my original statement that “progressives” and SJW’s try to discredit opponents by automatically accusing them of racism.

  • Jeff Preuss

    “how did the pre primary season Trump become the racist, bigoted, xenophobic, phobia du jour that he has been painted with?”
    How? By his words and actions on the campaign trail. He painted himself with the words. His campaign rhetoric was intentionally divisive and violence-inciting.

    “He has led a very public life and I don’t recall anyone bringing any substantive evidence from the past 30 years (other than the specious allegations from women looking for another shot at some type of fame) or more the he embodied all that you fear.”
    His very public life before campaigning to be the leader of the free world wasn’t of as much consequence, so reports of him being bigoted or misogynistic didn’t quite matter the same way on a national level, since at the time he wasn’t vying to govern all these people against which he may be prejudiced. Now that he is President-elect you’d better believe it matters.

    Before, when I thought he was not a good person, I could turn off the TV, or choose not to try to work for him in any way. Now, he’s going to be my President. So, him being a bad person MATTERS.

    “all that you fear.”
    if you’d bothered to read my comment in context to the discussion, you would have noticed the fear of which I spoke was Ben’s daughter’s fear, based on very real events that occurred after the election. Very real events tied in a very real way to the election.

    “You would have actually embraced the 30 year ago Trump with his views of the day.”
    No. I’ve always viewed him as a materialistic, narcissistic bully who is only interested in the wants and needs of Donald J. Trump. And, from what I can see (not how he’s “been painted,”) nothing about him has changed.

  • Bones

    Do you need a cuddle?

  • Bones

    You’d vote for anyone who promised to make all your dreams come true and grab your pussy.

  • ITBWTW

    The ONLY rascist and bigots are the progressives, like this author. THE ONLY ONES WHO BULLIED ANYBODY WAS THE MINDLESS AND INCESSANT CHANT FROM THE LEFT THAT THOSE WITH RATIONAL MINDS, LOGICAL COSTRUCTS SEEPED IN THE NATURAL LAW WERE INFERIOR humans!. THIS BLOG CONTINUES THAT BULLYING. This guy should be banned from ever being around young mind! He’s drunk of liar’s tea. He cannot think himself out of a paper bag, but he can cry crocodile tears all week long. Get behind me, Satan! It was you that was misleading, not the voters! It is you who is hateful, very hateful. So stop you tantrum and spewing falsehoods to try and support it. NO ONE IS SYMPATHETIC TO JUDAS’S.

  • Bones

    Lol look at the apologists come out the woodwork.

    He doesn’t give a shit about poor whites.

  • Herm

    Jay, I do understand what you are saying. I probably would be in agreement if it weren’t for how many interviewed after their vote for Trump, who previously voted for Obama twice, and the votes in all battleground states (and previously blue states) who voted that did not vote for either candidate. There was enough of those votes to be the landslide predicted for Hillary Clinton. The reasons they gave for not voting for Hillary is the shadow of a doubt cast by the FBI and the Congressional investigations. The reasons they gave for not voting for Donald Trump was his character.

    Yes, we all share the blame but the responsibility for getting out and voting is not in the end up to the candidate but the voter. All elections have consequences and to not elect a “perfectly” qualified candidate for lack of enthusiasm is not the responsibility of the candidate who tried the best she knew how. We demand too much of the candidates for our vote by demanding they be perfect in serving and perfect in campaigning.

    That said I have talked and argued with progressive friends who chose at the last minute to vote for Trump because they felt she would be too distracted to do an effective job of serving when always under potential indictment. Yes, I did try to convince them that Trump was under indictment now but they were too discouraged to hear it.

    Even the forefathers of our nation knew that the real enemy that will destroy any democracy is discouragement justifying not to vote and those irresponsibly satisfied with their low information who choose to trust their vote to their heart.

    There is plenty of blame to go around and the Wednesday morning quarterbacking certainly isn’t going to solve anything.

    It remains very sad that Comey’s choosing to ignore the rules of the Justice Department will always cast doubt on the what if he hadn’t.

    I voted, and I worked to get out the vote, but I still have to wonder what I could have done better, as will Hillary Clinton.

  • Etranger

    Correct. You were creating a scenario where you could demean redbone. It back fired. Not a troll here (which is obvious from all my comments). You can stop though being a jerk:)

  • Etranger

    Not sure I see where I did a reversal. But it is obvious you are just embarrassed by Christianity’s political responsibility.

  • Herm

    … “seeped in the natural law”? … do you mean in everything do to others as you would have others do to you?

  • Bones

    Was Bush investigated by the fbi?

    But I see deaths mean nothing to you over someone’s emails.

  • otrotierra

    All the frothing hysteria, fear-mongering, and xenophobia, and hatred of a Trump rally.

  • Bones

    They were fed false intelligence by the Bush government.

    it’s well known.

    Blair did it in the UK as well.

    But you don’t give a shit.

  • Bones

    Lol….

    You’re going to be greatly disappointed.

  • Bones

    That would be you.

  • Bones

    You obviously aren’t over it hence why you’re still bringing it up.

    Trump wouldn’t mind a blowie from someone like yourself in the White house.

  • philiphansten

    Well, it is all about probabilities in science. Think of it like the rating of hurricanes from one to 5. Climate change is already at level one with storms, melting icecaps, etc. If we reduced carbon emissions to zero tomorrow, we would still go to, say, level 2 (much worse than now) due to the carbon dioxide already released. If we take vigorous action over the next 10 years, perhaps we could limit it to level 3 (pretty awful). But if we do nothing over the next 10 years as Trump is proposing, the probability is that we will be at level 4 or 5, with 5 meaning the end of life on earth as we know it. This is not hyperbole, and is based on what the true experts (climatologists) are predicting. But betting that the 3% of climatologists are correct (that we don’t need to do anything) and the 97% are wrong (that it is a serious problem) is absurd.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    And hopefully you will not defend those that continue to fill the world with hate and fear like Dr. Benjamin L. Corey and yourself. I find your comment. “destructive spirit of us against them that has been unleashed by the power invested in one candidate” the very type of hate speech Christ spoke out against.

    And what type of father would tell his daughter”that for at least the next four years, the world is a far more dangerous place for her, simply because she’s not white.”?

    ” especially as I read story after story of how the Trump win has already emboldened racist bullying, threats, intimidation, and sexual assaults— in just the first day.” And did he read all those stories to her?

  • Bones

    Can you post the results of the police investigation?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

  • Jeff Preuss

    Interesting. Ben is the farthest from a bully, but whatever.

  • Herm

    We haven’t invaded Syria. We did invade Iraq and ISIS is a direct result of that invasion. LBJ did not, and I didn’t like his effort, get us into Vietnam. The Administration in office when we first got into Vietnam was Eisenhower’s.

    Beware, your ignorance is on display. You have established no credentials here.

    We haven’t had forced conscription since the last 33 year long draft ended in 1973 under President Richard Nixon. I am an in country Vietnam Vet with a responsibility to those of my comrades at arms who didn’t survive when I did. If you have to worry about your kids being drafted then you don’t know dip about what you say.

    Perhaps you missed that President-elect Trump has said he will go in, troops on the ground, and solve the ISIS problem for the whole world as only he knows how, better than the generals.

    No wonder you consider yourself an obsolete man when all you share here is bluster with no reality in facts.

  • ITBWTW

    Precisely, Stop making false accusations lest you be accused!

  • ITBWTW

    Yeah! I was paid by Soros for this spontaneous demostration, too!

  • Bones

    I haven’t lost anything. I’m actually looking forward to the US dollar shitting itself like it did under bush.

    We’ll wait and see who the real losers are.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    How many stories shall I post showing Christians leaders supporting Trump?
    http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/voting-is-a-primary-way-for-christians-to-stop-evil/

  • Bones

    You sfws fell for his rhetoric.

    Trump will make all your dreams come true.

  • Herm

    I don’t know that he did, ask him.

    These are factual happenings right now that did not happen after any presidential election in my 72 years of life.

    You show me where, in your Bible, that what I just said was anywhere near “the very type of hate speech Christ spoke out against.” You don’t know Christ if you believe that He never spoke out against the spirit of those who cause the little ones to stumble.

  • Bones

    Yeah that’s convincing. Christian leaders supporting hate isn’t new, sherlock.

  • Herm

    I am a disciple of no Christian leader, evangelical or not, for I am a sibling student of Christ in person filled with the Spirit of truth.

  • Herm

    … name me one false accusation I have made, please!

  • Southern__Hoosier

    I take it you voted for Hillary?

  • Bones

    No, it was trump using hate. And you bought into it.

    Well done for you.

    Hey has Trump worked out what he”s going to do to women who have abortions yet?

  • Bones

    Soros is paying me to write this……in fact he”s sitting with me right now telling me what to write.

  • Marja Erwin
  • Bones

    What logical construct is seeped in natural law are you talking about?

    Sounds like some form of social darwinism.

    The only Judas here are people like yourself who would sell their souls to the politician who tickled their ears about hating their fellow humans.

  • Al Cruise

    And what type of father would tell his daughter”that for at least the next four years, the world is a far more dangerous place for her, simply because she’s not white.”? One who sees red flags like this . Klu Klux Klan plans ‘victory’ parade to celebrate election of Donald Trump, who ‘united my people’. and this…. David Duke @DrDavidDuke
    This is one of the most exciting nights of my life -> make no mistake about it, our people have played a HUGE role in electing Trump! #MAGA

  • Marja Erwin

    What happened in the past century in your world?

  • Bones

    US Election 2016: Are hate crimes spiking after Trump’s victory?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37945386

  • Marja Erwin

    ableist slur.

  • Herm

    I take it you did not?

  • Bones

    Poor sfws are still sooking since civil rights came in.

  • Marja Erwin

    When I was in school, I was bullied for being autistic and queer. (I could hide that from myself, but not from the bullied.) I started getting beaten up when I was 6. I was forced out of two schools for being bullied. I was beaten unconscious at my second high school.

    If you’re a target, or if you’re disabled, or both, a spine won’t protect you from the bullies.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    I couldn’t possibly vote for the party of sodomites, baby killers that was funded by Muslims.

    This is a message to Black Christians, but it applies to all Christians,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_KaZ53eDg

  • Bones

    I’m sure she”s already found that out.

    Kid’s aren’t stupid. Your comment about child abuse is retarded.

    If we followed that illogic than every Christian who preaches about the evils of the world is a child abuser.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    And you buy into the Klans propaganda?
    “The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are 190 active KKK groups with between 5,000 and 8,000 Klan members in the U.S.” That’s not even enough to elect someone dog catcher.

    Here’s one anti Trump rally that probably has 10 times the number the Klan can rally. So don’t give the Klan any credit for anything,
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3920670/The-Latest-Oakland-police-issue-citation-protest.html

  • Southern__Hoosier

    Probably gets some judges in there and overturn Roe vs Wade,

  • Southern__Hoosier

    So you believe in the Bible?

  • Rick Akins

    I wish liberals could see the true life and death issues are those of abortion and euthanasia. I wish liberals would admit to the high murder rates in large cities like Chicago run by democrats already with tough gun laws. I wish liberal parents will realize that their kids are scared because of what they have told them this election means, for no Republican wants to take children from their families. Your fear mongering to earn votes has scared those who trust you the most. I wish liberals will watch the video of youths viciously beating a white man in Chicago for (they assumed) voting for Trump AND SAY SOMETHING! I wish liberals will notice that while the ‘racists’ Republicans did not march and destroy our cities either time Obama won, their side has proven to be the one willing to destroy to get their way. Half the country would have felt equally bad if Clinton had won, and yet I am sure that half would have handled the loss with maturity. I wish liberals would notice that Trump had the first female Presidential campaign manager and that Republicans have repeatedly supported women (Palin, Condeleza Rice though she chose not to run, and Fiorina), blacks (Colin Powel thought he decided not to run, Alan Keys, Hermain Caine, Dr. Ben Carson) and Latinos (Rusio, Cruise) for the highest office in the land.

  • Bones

    And return the US to the 50s and 60s.

    Now what was he going to do with women who have abortions?

  • Bones

    The George soros thing is just a modern version of the evil Jewish bankers isn’t it?

  • Andrew

    Yeah, I also wish that these folks who supposedly care about the homeless, women, and people of color, would have said something when a HOMELESS BLACK WOMAN who supported Trump was attacked by the oh so tolerant anti-Trump rioters, cough protestors. The silence was deafening.

  • Andrew

    These people don’t seem to learn either. The desire to find bigotry behind every corner, and then invent it when there was none to be found, helped create Trump. These morons that are now out rioting in the streets are only going to help Trump get re-elected in 2020. Keep up the good work SJWs!!!

  • Southern__Hoosier
  • Bones

    That’s what happens when you break the unions.

  • demondoll

    Dear Dr. Corey, please know that I thank you for your thought-provoking posts, and that I wish you and your family health and happiness.

  • Southern__Hoosier
  • Jay Singh

    The ultimate results of an investigation have nothing to do with the reaction of those close to the accused when the accusations are launched. indeed, we have no results of any police investigation relative to the allegations against Trump, and Hillary Clinton insisted that these allegations should be taken seriously. That certainly was not the reaction of Hillary Clinton when the accusations were launched against her husband. Once again, no one has found anything yet on Trump, but we should respect these accusers and not carry out any campaign of destruction against them, exactly what should have happened with the Clinton accusers, but did not happen, as Hillary Clinton declared war on them. The double standard toward the accusers stands, you do not try to destroy accusers in one set of cases (against Bill Clinton), and respect them in another set of cases (against Trump).

  • Al Cruise

    And you buy into the Klans propaganda? Many Trump supporters did.

  • Guy Norred

    The President-elect did little but sow fear and division, encourage condescension, and draw out bigotry through much of his campaign. This was clear from the beginning when that is all there was. Until late in the primary, his opponents for the nomination were reasonably unified in their staunch opposition to this EVEN though he had yet to come close to the extraordinary statements that came when the nomination was secured. There can have been no ignorance of this and it is disingenuous in the extreme to disregard Trump’s actions as the direct cause of the examples Dr. Corey brings up. These actions happened because the election of Donald Trump gives legitimacy to his words- words that emboldened people in their animus. Unless one vehemently separates whatever else may have been the reason for one’s vote- doing so without any ambiguity and in a way that the perpetrators of these actions and all those who encouraged them right up to and especially Trump himself know fully that all of their actions in this regard have no place in the America that one hopes to be the result of that vote–the apparent overarching theme of his campaign can only be seen as something that those who voted for him considered an acceptable consequence of their vote.

    (edited for spelling)

  • ITBWTW

    I don’t know you. But I know the author by the things he’s written. It is chuck full of false accusations…and he knows it.

  • Etranger

    Lol. No I jumped in to point out you did not correct him at all. You sincerely believe you were teaching him something? Sad.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    Many??? LOL When David Dukes ran for senate in Mississippi he got 58,581 votes. Trump got 60,265,858 votes. So tell me about this “many.” Like I said you really need to stop buying into the Klans propaganda that they are relevant.

  • Al Cruise

    The Klan see their values in Trump, that’s why they support him, they wouldn’t support him if they felt his Presidency would be a threat to them . Their size does not matter. That means their views are shared with Trump supporters.

  • michaeleiseman

    If you truly feel that way, I’m sorry that you feel you have to but you have been persuaded in the biggest character assassination in history. In case you aren’t aware he just stated flatly I will protect LGBGQT. The only people who have anything to fear are those that would come here to hurt Americans and since it is a fact that ISIS and other bad actors come from the mideast they are going to finally fully vet them. We should appreciate that…I’m thinking the victims of the attacks world wide like Paris, Florida and Ca would have appreciated it.

    Mark these words and remember because you are choosing to be afraid. The left have created a non-existent boogeyman and I hope that when you realize this you will speak out against the manufactured outrage, the fake racial attacks and all the other Saui Alinsky orchestrations the left use to manipulate others to their ends.

    And as for sexual assault, never happened. If you actually parse the conversation it was bravado and vulgar bragging but it wasn’t sexual assault. He was talking about women who were making themselves sexually available because of his status and if you don’t think that happens a LOT to him your are deluded. (see the link below for reference)

    But the usual suspects all came out in a chorus of pearl clutching right on cue. And the queen hypocrite was Mrs Obama who has invited rappers to the White House as honored performers and guests with STACKS of lyrics that are 1000% more misogynistic and demeaning to women that anything Trump has ever even thought about.

    So if you want to blame anyone for putting sexual assault of front and center like that then Team Clinton are the culpable ones.

    Be at peace brother, your daughter and all of us will be safer with Trump in office.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151933602961/lie-detection-and-scandals

  • Herm

    I know the Word of God!

  • Herm

    …name a couple, please!

  • Bones

    I thought that’s how you anti-PC crowd like it.

    You know people who just speak their mind regardless of who they upset.

  • Bones

    Ok…off ya go then….

  • Bones

    So deport them?

    Interesting tactic deporting US citizens.

  • Bones

    Yes I know George Soros has come to represent the evil Jew….

  • Bones

    Well actually they do as the women constantly changed their stories……

    Shame on Hilary for not cutting Bill’s balls off….

  • Bones

    Well if you bothered to read the post it showed hate attacks by BOTH sides. However, it did equate the British Brexit decison with a rise in subsequent hate crimes.

    The US is hopelessly divided and it ain’t gonna get any better.

    Whoever won this election is a prime candidate for assassination such is the level of hatred in the US.

    I’m glad I live over here…in a more civil society where racists are confined to the minority parties….

  • Bones

    Funny that you didn’t actually read it….

    Shows how much of a goose you are.

  • Bones

    Donald Trump, pragmatist?

    President-elect’s stances seem to shift after win

    Obamacare, Iran deal and other promises appear to come in for adjustment as Trump dives into ‘swamp’ he vowed to drain with transition team appointments

    Donald Trump appears to be backing away from several campaign promises, raising hopes that he could be more pragmatic in the White House than expected, but risking the wrath of his vociferous army of supporters – and, as he has done for months, refusing to commit to any one option.

    In the days since his victory in the electoral college, the president-elect has suggested that he could retain some elements of Barack Obama’s healthcare reforms, and his advisers appeared to tone down a pledge to “rip up” the Iran nuclear deal. As for Hillary Clinton, whom Trump had threatened to jail for unspecified crimes of corruption, he called her “very strong and very smart”.

    The businessman, who pledged to “drain the swamp” of Washington insiders, appears to have started by diving straight into it. Before taking office in January, he has drawn up a transition team full of political old hands and led by the vice-president-elect, Mike Pence, the Indiana governor with decades’ worth of ties to Congress. Critics, however, warn of the dangers of seeking to normalise Trump, whose anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant rhetoric has sown division and fear and given succour to far-right groups, including the Ku Klux Klan.

    After defeating Clinton in the most shocking US election result in decades, sparking nationwide demonstrations, Trump visited the White House on Thursday and had a cordial meeting with Barack Obama, a man whose birth certificate he questioned for five years, and who had declared him unfit for the presidency.

    Trump subsequently promised, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, to consider retaining aspects of Obama’s signature Affordable Care Act “out of respect” to the outgoing president. During the campaign, Trump had promised to “repeal and replace” the reforms but never explained a replacement in detail, nor its funding. And in a second interview with the CBS programme 60 Minutes, Trump said he would ensure that that people with pre-existing conditions and children living with their parents for an extended period were still covered.

    “It’ll be just fine. That’s what I do. I do a good job,” he said. “You know, I mean, I know how to do this stuff. We’re going to repeal it and replace it. And we’re not going to have, like, a two-day period and we’re not going to have a two-year period where there’s nothing. It will be repealed and replaced. I mean, you’ll know. And it’ll be great healthcare for much less money.”

    Trump also struck a conciliatory note when discussing Clinton, whom he had branded “Crooked Hillary”, encouraging his supporters to chant “Lock her up!” He told CBS: “So, Hillary called, and it was a lovely call, and it was a tough call for her, I mean, I can imagine.

    “Tougher for her than it would have been for me. I mean, for me, it would have been very, very difficult. She couldn’t have been nicer. She just said: ‘Congratulations, Donald, well done.’ And I said: ‘I want to thank you very much, you were a great competitor.’ She is very strong and very smart.”

    Trump has ducked questions over his campaign pledge to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, insisting that securing the border, healthcare reform and job creation should take priority.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/12/donald-trump-campaign-promises-transition-team

  • Bones

    You mean this incident…..

    “LAPD Officer Tony Im said Friday that the woman incited the crowd with racial slurs and police at the scene “kept the peace.”

    Koali Fikator, who shot and posted the video, wrote on YouTube that the woman told the crowd to “let her be” when some offered help and that she eventually got up and made a new sign disparaging Mexicans and urging people to vote for Trump. ”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-homeless-woman-posts-video-protecting-trump-walk-of-fame-star/

    Welcome to Trump’s America…..

    Where you can racially villify people and somehow expect no consequence.

    F*ck I’m glad I don’t live in such a shithouse country.

  • Bones

    Lol at Breitbart and infowars as news sites….

  • Bones

    Obviously not….hence why many of the Left actually voted for Trump…..Wisconson voted for Sanders over Clinton and then Trump over Clinton….

  • Bones

    That’s your candidate, moron….

  • Bones

    “….like she is getting a lot of her terror from home….”

    You’re an arsewipe…no wonder you voted for Trump.

  • Bones

    Who?

  • Etranger

    Here here! Thank you for an end to your trolling! Your arrogance and condescension fly in the face of the purpose of this blog!

  • Bones

    Congratulations for displaying your total ignorance of Syria.

    There are many rebel groups in Syria including moderate secular rebels…the US is not arming ISIS ffs.

    Russia has killed more Syrians through indiscriminate bombing of cities such as Aleppo (where ISIS doesn’t have a presence) than ISIS has. Apparently Trump wants to help a corrupt dictator out with this.

    Syria is another Vietnam.

    Of course this is on the heels of Russia invading the Ukraine….

    Of course let’s ignore the other players in the region eg Hezbollah, Turkey, Kurds, Saudis Iran and Israel who wants Assad GGGOOOOOOOOONNNNEEEE

  • Etranger

    Oh sweetie, you thought you were teaching me?! Lol. I have a BA in political science and a phd in linguistics. I don’t need a lesson from a grade school teacher who can’t address the issues presented to him. You were wrong to say that redbone didn’t understand our political system. You had no evidence of that. You were arrogant and dismissive to state that therefore he was a fool. Good day.

  • Bones

    Bahahaha….what a moron….

    EW Jackson nutty quotes

    ““The idea that Barack Obama is a Christian is laughable,” he said. “Barack Obama is at best a confused man, is at worst has the sensibilities, and I don’t know how this combination works, of an Atheist and a Muslim.”

    “The Democrat Party [sic] has created an unholy alliance between certain so-called civil rights leaders and Planned Parenthood, which has killed unborn black babies by the tens of millions. Planned Parenthood has been far more lethal to black lives than the KKK ever was. And the Democrat Party [sic] and the black civil rights allies are partners in this genocide.”

    ““When the Democrat Party [sic] said we’re making same-sex marriage a part of our platform and the president came out in support of it, I think those were straws that broke the camel’s back and people say ‘you know, we’ve had it.’ Black folks have voted overwhelmingly against these things when they’ve come up on state constitutional questions and now I think many are saying, ‘you know what, I voted for this president the first time, I cannot vote for him again and I cannot support this party because it’s in rebellion against God.’””

    (Obama received 93 % of the black vote)

    “E.W. Jackson saves his most derogatory and hateful comments for the gay community. Jackson connected homosexuality and pedophilia, and made strong claims that gays are “frankly very sick people psychologically, mentally and emotionally,” they are incapable of love and their very presence is an attempt to “poison our children, divide them from their parents and the teaching of the church and basically turn them into pawns for that movement so that they can sexualize them at the earliest possible age.”

    Jackson not only condemned the Democratic Party for their acceptance of same-sex marriage, but criticized CPAC for the same thing. He also called for the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” deeming it “a disaster of historic proportions and it must be reinstated.””

    Have you got any quotes from the KKK or Hitler’s Mein Kampf?

  • Bones

    No, there were two turds…they chose the fresher one.

  • Bones

    Well that’s what you people like….

    You’d probably vote for me…cos he’s not politically correct and tells it like it is…

  • Bones

    No one indicted Bush because that would be like saying the deaths of US troops in Iraq was a waste based on a lie….which everyone knows is true.

    Congrats you get to do it all over again……

  • Bones

    Failed maths too???? Like that’s a surprise.

    It’s less than half derp.

  • cvxxx

    The millions who suffered under the PCism with their SJW commissars bring out the control of Soviet Russia. And their racism cannot be denied.

  • Bones

    Where does the Left go from here….

    Simple… it goes back to it’s working class roots…

    Those who rejected Clinton in Wisconsin and Michigan and those rust belt states are the same ones who voted for Obama – twice – so it wasn’t about race. They also rejected Clinton for a lefty socialist in the Primaries.

    It’s a perception by the working class (correctly) that they have been forgotten and left behind and cynically it has been big business which has attracted their vote.

    The Left needs to get into Bernie’s mind and come up with a plan for the realities of life in a global economy and the effects of automation on industry and the loss of blue collar jobs and the death of unionism.

    Oh and f*ck off Wall Street….Obama should have put those bastards in jail.

  • Etranger

    I was not aware that he just flatly stated he will protect lgbtq. When? Where? (Google search turns up nothing!).

    As for refugees, it takes a minimum of two years of vetting for them to enter our country. That is how it is already. Full vetting.

  • cvxxx

    Study the plight of the Precariat. The millions who were left out of any profit while very wealthy told them that a rising tide lifts all boats. That was a lie. Please study history it is not so easy.

    https://medium.com/world-economic-forum/meet-the-precariat-the-new-global-class-fuelling-the-rise-of-populism-1f0624bdf685#.wx6csezpu

  • Bones

    Bernie Sanders: Where the Democrats Go From Here

    Let’s rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and create millions of well-paying jobs. Let’s raise the minimum wage to a living wage, help students afford to go to college, provide paid family and medical leave and expand Social Security. Let’s reform an economic system that enables billionaires like Mr. Trump not to pay a nickel in federal income taxes. And most important, let’s end the ability of wealthy campaign contributors to buy elections.

    In the coming days, I will also provide a series of reforms to reinvigorate the Democratic Party. I believe strongly that the party must break loose from its corporate establishment ties and, once again, become a grass-roots party of working people, the elderly and the poor. We must open the doors of the party to welcome in the idealism and energy of young people and all Americans who are fighting for economic, social, racial and environmental justice. We must have the courage to take on the greed and power of Wall Street, the drug companies, the insurance companies and the fossil fuel industry.

    When my presidential campaign came to an end, I pledged to my supporters that the political revolution would continue. And now, more than ever, that must happen. We are the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. When we stand together and don’t let demagogues divide us up by race, gender or national origin, there is nothing we cannot accomplish. We must go forward, not backward.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/opinion/bernie-sanders-where-the-democrats-go-from-here.html?_r=0

  • Bones

    Why not?

    Unlike you I keep abreast on what is happening around the world.

  • Bones

    Lol….your messiah wants to become like Soviet, I mean Russia’s, strongman.

    It just shows up sfws like yourself are complete morons….

    Waaahhhh I can’t pick on gays and blacks any more…..waaahhh

  • cvxxx

    The world is changing For many it left them and their beliefs in the dust. The new technological advances will help so many. But if the economics are not fixed it means nothing. The big issue is that we are moving to a machine economy. We don’t need most of the people. climate change= too many people. It’s hard to see a future where all you knew is going to change to things you do not know.

  • Bones

    So when will the wall start being built to keep out the rapists and drug pushers, I mean Mexicans?

  • Bones

    Technology and automation have decimated the traditional working class……

  • ITBWTW

    1. “the nation instantly became less safe for so many– particularly for our kids”….Jeez! I was just re-reading it and the whole thing is garbage!!. I doubt this guy even has this mythical daughter…and you and I know for certain if she is having any one of those “fears” its solely because he has instilled them in her, through HIS hate, not anyone elses!! This is article is just a plain dishonest ‘strawman argument’. If this guy has any Christianity in him he should know he violated the 8th, bearing false witness.

  • ITBWTW

    Look at the hate he fills his “daughter’s” head with. Thats Bullying!

  • Harrison Taylor

    Benjamin, You seriously need a moderator. Lacking one, your posts and this one is a good example, attract some very angry, misinformed politically-motivated people (I’m trying very hard not to call them by the names that are usually attached to people who make such comments) that make many of us stop reading the comments after reading only a few. I feel like I slipped and fell through the hole in one of those old fashioned outhouses.

    You are a good writer and don’t need to put up with this. These people do not know you and what they are saying about you and your family is not true. I know that. If they don’t like what they read, they can go elsewhere. Please don’t give them a forum to spout their anger, hatred and made-up information again and again. They need their own blogs. Of course no one or next to no one would read them. That is the idea. That’s why they come here. You have many followers.

  • KrisCynical

    It doesn’t matter what he said if his idiot followers are harming people in the wake of his election.

    If he really wants to protect the citizens of this country, he needs to come out and tell his followers to STOP this madness. All of the sexists, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc., have taken Tuesday night as a green light to behave like the scum of the earth toward anyone who isn’t Just Like Them, and that’s wrong.

  • KrisCynical

    Where in the article did he detail “filling his daughter’s head with hate”? All I saw was him refusing to tell her which family members voted for Trump because he didn’t want her to see them differently.

    And as an adopted kid, your quotation marks around the word “daughter” in that context are a beacon of ignorance and a depressingly narrow mind when it comes to all the different origins and structures a family can have. I feel sorry for you, truly.

  • KrisCynical

    With the way that you’ve been acting in the comments here as well as the character of the man you’re supposedly defending, I don’t think you’re the best source for defining Christian values, sir. Even ignoring everything from the campaign, it’s well known that Trump committed adultery against both of his past wives, dating his next wife in public while still being married to his previous wife, without any divorce proceedings being in progress at the time.

    As for the country instantly being less safe for so many?

    So what about all of the reports of hate crimes and horrid acts of cruelty, both physical and verbal, that have happened to just about every minority possible since Tuesday night?

    Like female Muslim university students being threatened to take off their hijab or else be burned alive at the University of Michigan?

    Swastikas being spray painted on residential doors of Jewish people as well as in general public spaces in town?

    Students parading around Trump signs in school hallways chanting “WHITE POWER!!”?

    Latino students being reduced to tears by other students telling them their parents are going to be deported and thrown on the other side of a wall?

    *All of which is ON VIDEO.*

    With Trump constantly bloviating about “illegals” and how evil they are, why on earth would a girl that appears to be around “tween” age get the idea that she’s not welcome here? Hmm. Perhaps because she’s old enough to see these clips from Trump played on the news over and over and over again for 18 months and actually understand what he’s saying? And now she’s seeing reports of all of the previously mentioned actions of hate from Trump supporters since his election.

    Oh, right, because ALL OF IT is fake and Trump is an angel that doesn’t hate a soul in the world. Right? That’s why the KKK endorsed him, just ‘cuz? None of his followers are hate-filled bigots, either, I’m sure. It’s all an act put on my those evil, evil Democrats.

  • KrisCynical

    Just because so-called “Christian” leaders supported him does not make him Christ-like in any way, shape, or form. I dare say he’s the least godly man to ever run for office and if you don’t see that, it’s because you’re being willfully blind. Christ would be appalled.

  • Trump made no public Hate comments whatsoever. He told the Truth about the state of this country and the world for which the aforenamed Democrats, Media, Republican Elites and moneyed Elite tried to destroy him as they have always done. This time without success and they are stunned. President elect Trump buried them in the pit with the Politically Correct Speech and their grandiose ideas of Superiority. Look at the election map and notice his supporters.

  • otrotierra

    The continuous stream of lies, deception, fear-mongering, racism, xenophobia, hypocrisy, and hatred coming from White Evangelicals (81%) has only increased since election night on DISQUS Patheos and RedLetterChristians comment sections. They alone are entirely responsible for their own digital footprint, and their frothing rage, harassment, snd bullying are their enduring legacy.

    Allowing their raging hatred to remain posted here can contribute to a lesson for future generations. At the very least, it shows how rapidly this demographic dispensed with Jesus and The Greatest Commandment.

  • Yes. That video is terrible. That conduct is not surprising from someone who is twice divorced and works with Hollywood. Let’s hope he learned from its public disclosure. It is wrong. It leads to horrible problems. That is why God forbids it. It is one of our many problems and why this country is on a downward spiral and our children are confused.

    However, the women who came forward were more than that. They were part of an orchestrated campaign to defame and destroy Trump paid for by the Democrats. From Wikileaks we learned that the disruptors at Trump rallies were paid for by the Democrat National committee and so shall we learn about these women. Polictics has nothing to do with reality except who has the money and the power and who wants to keep it at all costs.

  • I am already greatly disappointed in you. Your hurtful words on this website are unconscionable.

  • Your profanity is vile and your analysis flawed by the veil over your mind. You are one who was spoken about by Paul in 2 Corinthians 3:14-15.

  • Bones

    You’re a liar and a false witness.

  • Bones

    You are the pharisees Jesus condemned in the gospels.

    You have no interest at all in your fellow human unless they’re following your rules.

  • Etranger

    Ohh okay. That is what was misleading in the original comment. Michael suggested trump just said it , which obviously is wrong. Trump only said he will protect LGBT from foreigners against LGBT. His platform is pro FADA and anti LGBT legal protections.

  • Andrew

    Yeah go ahead bonehead, defend it. Defend a homeless black woman being attacked for voicing her opinion, all the while claiming you actually give a shit about the well being of minorities you FUCKING HYPOCRITE.
    Meanwhile, keep spreading lies about phony hate crimes to demonize Trump and his supporters. Nobody who calls themselves a progressive has any right to accuse anybody else of being hateful or divisive. The Left owns a monopoly on hate. They claim that they care about minorities, and as soon as a minority leaves their plantation, they become way more vicious than any slave-catcher ever was.
    Boy I would hate to see it if Jesus came back and entered a progressive church. He’d be crucified again right there at the alter (probably for being “homophobic).
    I can barely believe that two months ago I was planning to just write in somebody on my ballot. I’m really glad I voted Trump now. The fact that it offends so many of you hateful leftists was enough by itself

  • Bones

    Lol Paul is referring to jews and I ain’t Jewish.

    Though I have been snipped.

  • glebealyth

    In other words . . . when evidence is presented that you are wrong, you swivel your eyes in the opposites direction, with your fingers in your ears and “LA LA LA ” on your lips.

    Watch the videos.
    Note the dates.
    Admit your error.

  • You have no understanding of anything biblical.

  • Bones

    Dude you can’t even understand a basic verse.

  • Bones

    The woman fell over. Apparently that’s an attack now.

    If anything was attacked it was her posters and she declined to press charges.

    Far worse things happened at trump rallies where people were really beaten.

    It’s no wonder your kind voted for a lying arsehole.

    But I see you’really just full of hatred.

    Jesus was a liberal Jew. (Yeah bad luck there)

    It’s you type who would crucify Jesus because he knows the hatred in your heart. Just like conservatives crucified him nearly 2 millennia ago.

    Nothing’s changed.

    Thankfully I live in a better country than yours.

    The US is hopelessly divided and hate filled.

  • Herm

    Ah, thank you for that. I honestly could not understand how any professed christian, much less the evangelical sect, could endorse the morality and ethics of Donald J. Trump. The sodomite vote trumps love!

    Mr. E.W. Jackson insists that the Democrats have done nothing for the Black man but keep him enlsaved. How quickly he forgot, as a proud Black man, the privilege he had, that his father could not, of attending the University of Massachusetts Boston, Harvard Law School, Harvard Divinity School, and Harvard University (all his higher education credentials). He seems to have conveniently (?) forgot The Civil Rights Act of 1964 which turned the white vote of the southern states (yes, even south Indiana) from blue to red.

    That act outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public (known as “public accommodations”). Jim Crow still reared its ugly head this election in Republican administered states.

    Let’s see, it seems like our forefathers instituted some sort of amendment right off the top to our Constitution that reads something like this: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Wait, is it not true that you sodomite despisers do so based only on your interpretation of your Bible to deny constitutional “civil” rights to those different from you with different religious beliefs, some even claiming Jesus Christ as their savior differently than you? Oh, and is not the Muslim faith equally protected under our constitution as your faith? Civil marriage is not religious marriage.

    I cannot determine by your speech pattern whether you are a masculine female or a feminine male but you are clearly not an all feminine female nor an all masculine male. On God’s created earth, including carnal Man in Their spiritual image, there is no exact sex or gender representation from any individual as compared to any other individual within any species. All are different, all are unique. For survival of the species adaptation is the key to keep from extinction. There are animal species that seem to have mostly black and white heterosexual relations necessary to propagate their species. There are “wild” animals that have homosexual relationships for intimate companionship that doesn’t threaten the propagation of their species. There are even animal species that have clear naturally occurring transsexual relationships depending on the balance of propagating partners. Sexuality and gender representation in Man, the most highly adaptable species on earth, is represented best as a spectrum where no one person occupies the same point within as another. There is no marriage in heaven because God does not have to carnally propagate to sustain Their species … God is spiritual as are all children of God subject to the authority of Christ. I am a son of God begotten by Man. Jesus is the only Son of Man begotten by God. You are the son/daughter of Man begotten by Man as is clear by your fruit.

    I am Christlike and a little Christ as a little sibling student of Christ. I am certainly not a disciple of E. W. Jackson or your religion. All law enforced by natural consequences and my Lord is summed up in everything do to others as you would have others do to you. [Matthew 7:12]

    If you consult your Bible that quotes only the words of Jesus the Messiah, the only living Word of God now and in the beginning, you will find that all of Man, who is filled with the Holy Spirit to become a child of God, will inherit eternal life because they love the Lord their God with all their heart, with all their soul, with all their strength, with all their mind and the second is like the first they love their neighbor as themselves, on this hangs ALL the law and the prophets. [Luke 10:25-37] [Matthew 22:34-40]

    In that same Spirit I abide by the tenet of independence that: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all of Man in the image of God are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. …this regardless of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

    I am not a student of the tribe of Levite. I am not a student of Paul, Peter or James. I am a child of God who has been taught that sexuality is a carnal animal necessity on this earth to propagate the species. There is no marriage in sexual union in heaven or necessary to propagate the children of God. I am a child of God sibling of Jesus my Lord with all authority over heaven and on earth today.

    I do not stone the adulterer, such as Donald J. Trump, to death. I do not judge my adult neighbor in what happens consensually between another adult and neither does my neighbor judge me for the same. I do not force anyone to abide by my relationship in God in the example of our Messiah. I carry my cross in the hopes that the loved lost like you, who would crucify your sodomite neighbor in the name of God, will find life in God as Their child.

    This is the only way you too can begin to learn directly from the Teacher, He in you and you in Him:

    First:

    “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:26

    … for if you do not open your heart and mind completely to be fully filled (baptized) by the Holy Spirit there is no room for Jesus’ to teach. That means all the traditions, studies religions/philosophies, rituals, and dogmas impressed on you by your carnal and religious family, including your self-developed common sense assumptions, must be cleanse in complete faith that Jesus is real and alive ready to provide for you, protect you and teach you. I can honestly and sanely testify that I did just that, that He lives and that He fulfills all those promises and more continually in my life.

    Second:

    And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:27

    … for you cannot be in any way considered Christlike and a little Christ if you cannot love ALL of mankind as did Jesus’ die for, including Caiaphas which you emulate today by voting for Caesar to crucify the Gays.

    Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Matthew 22:34-40

    Which is the greatest commandment in the Law of God for you? Who is your Teacher?

  • TheDorkOne

    You’ll note the wording, please?

    He said he would protect the LGBTQ community from FOREIGNERS. Notice that he said nothing about protecting them from, say, the VP who thinks that conversion therapy is the way to go.

  • Etranger

    Precisely. It was actually just part of his anti-muslim rhetoric. The more telling thing about his positions on LGBT rights is his stated support of FADA (which is more than just religious freedom to not bake a cake for a gay wedding), state position to appoint a SCOTUS justice who will reverse Obergefell, and his choice of VP (as you said)!

  • Jeff Preuss

    He didn’t look like that great of a human for the decades before that we’d seen him in the public eye. So, there wasn’t much character to ruin, IMHO.

  • Herm

    Your ignorance murders people negligently when you teach others your skewed spin.

    Did you not see the actual dates of the draft were from 1940 to 1973?

    The Gulf of Tonkin resolution in 1964 escalated the war but did not begin the war in 1955. It is true that only 401 of our casualties in Vietnam were prior to that resolution. We don’t have a number of how many were drafted. I have never supported President Johnson’s war influence, except to fight in combat in 1966 for my nation (enlisted in 1963), but have supported his civil rights influence.

    I vehemently voiced my opposition to the Republican influence that took us into Iraq from which 4,486 soldiers died for our nation. Our children sacrificed along with 151,000 to over one million Iraqi citizens in the first four years and over 500,000 since all for a clear and present danger of no weapons of mass destruction. That is the influence of the party you just supported to power led by a man who has stated he loves war.

    I no longer will support any wars since coming to the reality of carrying my own cross in place of my christian sword of Constantine. I do hope for your children’s and your sake that sacrifice to the good of the state is understood as not as honorable or effective as sacrifice for the good of all of Man.

    Mr. Trump has made no sacrifices to date except to profit for himself and his narcissistic feeling of self worth. I do hope for your children’s and your sake that he is able to change when he realizes he cannot do this all by his own divine authority.

    WE are the government, by electing our representatives, of the people, by the people and for the people. Out of patriotic duty taught by our nationalized families WE “cheerfully send them to fight and die for nothing in a pointless foreign war” only to suffer grief in place of our cheer when the child was ours.

    It is not a partisan responsibility to protect our children, for all parties have let us down. It is our responsibility period. Our government representatives taking power January 20th are no better than, probably far worse than, those who previously got us into and escalated the Vietnam war and the Iraq war. I truly hope against hope that WE can live with that.

  • Herm

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37945386

    You really are one sick puppy.

    Dr. Benjamin L. Corey, as versus you, is a student of Christ. That is a picture of his daughter who he loves with all his paternal heart and would die that she might live.

    If that is the best, and only one of a couple requested, “false accusation” that you can find to accuse him of I rest my case. You should have used the very same disclaimer that you did with me in that you don’t know him as you just proved. This man has gone around the world sacrificing to aid in love all the people he could. You certainly don’t have that credential of sacrificial love.

    For your edification:

    Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argue against—that they know their opponent doesn’t support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It’s a way of misrepresenting your opponent’s position.

  • Ron_Huber

    Dr. Corey, It is also important to ask this same question to children and parents throughout those Middle East and North Africa nations that have felt and are feeling the blows of the products of the North American and European military industrial complexes – under the guidance of Mr. Obama & Mrs. Clinton these last 8 years and their last 4 predecessors. Has the election made them feel safer in their homes and lives? I don’t know. Mr Trump may order as much warring against they and their homes as our present president. But I think there are shards of hope rising amid their ravaged lands. Let’s hope they are right, too.

  • rknsaw

    He’s not president yet, and you already condem the man. Do you believe in HOPE? With all your negativity what are you teaching your daughter? My… with this writing your faith in God is shallow. Don’t you know who ultimately triumphs in the end? FAITH HOPE AND LOVE what more? Be not afraid. If Hillary woud have won I would have accepted it from day 1 and moved on. He or she are not MY hope. He is currently signed to and everything else etc. Big Deal fingers in throat another big ego

  • Herm

    Do you realize that the wealthy presumed democrats, such as Bill Gates and Warren Buffet (neither a card carrying democrat), pay more taxes than the wealthy card carrying republicans, such as the Koch brothers and Donald J. Trump.

    Do you realize it was a democrat congress that passed Dodd-Frank to reinstate the regulations the republican congress repealed that allowed for the Great Recession.

    “The market started to tank” because they aren’t that dumb to leave their investments at risk to deregulation — the promise of Trump.

    I am responsibly conservative in influencing the regulation our graced resources (no one can earn) for the good of all and I am socially progressive in my love for all mankind. I drink from my cup running over.

  • Al Cruise

    ” Trump got 60,265,858 votes.” If numbers are the backbone of your argument, Clinton 60,981,118. Trump has minority support as President.

  • Herm

    Are you that short sighted? We wouldn’t be in Afghanistan today if we had pulled out after dismantling the Al Gaeda support system in the first ninety days. We wouldn’t be in the middle east, except in Kuwait protecting a no fly zone, if the Bush administration hadn’t precipitated unilaterally Shock and Awe. Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton only served to attempt to mop up the mess with no assistance from the Republican Congress.

    What are those shards of hope you think are rising amid their ravaged land? I really want to know and support them if they are for the health and welfare of the entire world.

  • Andrew

    “If anything was attacked it was her posters”
    Right so it’s totally ok to destroy people’s stuff as long as they don’t agree with you. Confirms everything I thought about you.
    “Far worse thing happened at Trump rallies where people were really beaten”
    Oh you mean the people that deliberately showed up trying to start trouble
    “Jesus was a liberal Jew”
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Does your dumbass actually think that “liberal” means the same thing today as it did 2,000 years ago bonehead? Nope it would be you yelling “crucify him, crucify the bigot.”
    “It’s no wonder you voted for a lying arsehole”
    Like I said, the hate filled reactions of the left are making me feel much better about my choice for Trump. Keep up your rhetoric. It’ll help get Trump re-elected in 2020

  • Herm

    Harrison, you have not been here long enough if you don’t know this is well moderated. What you see here is the freedom of speech spoken of in our constitution. It isn’t pretty, it isn’t warm and fuzzy, but it certainly allows the stupid and ignorant concerned of our mankind to be heard and admonished. I can testify that I have been heard here and admonished (appropriately and not so appropriately) to learn better how to support a more perfect union of our nation, world, Man and God.

    All seriously destructive comments and responses not open to learn from their mistakes are removed and blocked as hazardous to the health of our community. We are all ignorant for there is infinitely more yet to learn that we don’t know yet. We are all stupid when compared to the wisdom of God/Allah/Deity. We learn and grow most when challenged and stressed with disagreement than when we are sheltered in a mutual admiration society. I will defend Dr. Corey’s responsible and loving moderating efforts because I have learned and supported more here in the last few years than in any, of the hundreds, of sanctuaries I have attended, interfaced within, led out in and moderated in within the previous 69 years.

    The inclusive war that you are uncomfortable with here is actually more representative of the love of Jesus Christ who supports going to the cross in relationship with our enemy than the war of sectarian isolation allowing no more one on one relationship with disagreement than a howitzer allows as a communication tool.

    There is hardcore down and dirty emotional disagreement expressed here in many different ways from all sides and I thank Ben for making that possible that we may each grow.

  • Herm

    what?

  • Matthew

    We need to come together.

  • cvxxx

    To go forward the policies of identity politics must be defeated. The ladder of opportunity and personal success must be reintegrated into the DNA of this nation.

    We also need tolerance of different concepts of success. The ways of the past must give way to a future that will challenge the thinking of the past which is a landmine impeding the march to a better future.

  • cvxxx

    Projecting your fears onto others is not a good way to have a conversation. Russian culture is very different that the US. The office will change everyone.

    What does the school of forestry service have to do with anything under discussion.
    Destroying PC & multiculturalism is a step in the right direction.

  • Herm

    Truly your repeated plea is heard Matthew, thank you, most of us here would love that unity of heart and mind bound in love. What do you propose that might facilitate us coming together?

  • Marja Erwin

    ableist slur.

  • MadGastronomer

    You ARE a racist. Full stop. You can’t wiggle out of it. You’re a bigot, plain and simple, and you keep displaying it.

  • MadGastronomer

    You voted for a racist. You put a racist in office. That was a racist act. Performing racist acts makes you a racist. No matter how you feel in your heart, racism is about what you do.

  • MadGastronomer

    Just because you are too ignorant to see the danger we are in doesn’t mean we are not in danger. Hate crimes are already on the rise, sharply. If they get rid of the ACA, as they have promised to do, many, many people will DIE.

  • MadGastronomer

    You are ignorant and a bigot. You continue to do bigoted things after voting for a bigot. Ignoring people’s real experiences and telling them they don’t count, that their fears are stupid, IS A BIGOTED ACT. You are a bigot.

  • MadGastronomer

    You are a bigot, as well. You are saying and doing bigoted things.

    For the past eight years, the Republicans have not tried to get along and make our country better for everyone, they have been obstructionist and foul. That’s your party.

  • MadGastronomer

    As for Byrd, he repented and recanted and STOPPED being a bigoted, and actually tried to atone for his sins, unlike Trump.

  • MadGastronomer

    A man who repeatedly says that if we have nukes, why can’t we use them isn’t going to cause war and chaos all over the world?

  • MadGastronomer

    He raped his ex-wife. He’s being sued for raping a teenager. How do his words and actions NOT normalize and therefor encourage sexual assault?

  • Bones

    …..

  • MadGastronomer

    You are a bigot, as you demonstrate by the bigoted act of dismissing real people’s lived experiences.

  • MadGastronomer

    That less than a quarter of the country (only 46% of eligible voters actually voted, and Trump got less than half of their votes) are also bigots or are willing to allow a bigot to run the country does not make Trump not a bigot. But defending him does make you one.

  • MadGastronomer

    You are a bigot, and so you must deny the existence of bigotry and oppression in order to feel ok about yourself, because you know that they are wrong.

  • MadGastronomer

    Bearing false witness is a sin. You are a liar as well as a bigot.

    Your grandson was abused and attacked, and that’s horrible and should be stopped. But it is far, far more dangerous in this country to be a person of color, or queer, or disabled, or any number of other things. Your grandson’s life is not at risk. Mine is.

  • MadGastronomer

    You are a bigot, and so you must deny the existence of bigotry and oppression in order to feel good about yourself, because you know that they are wrong.

  • MadGastronomer

    Crime has gone down under Obama, O Liar. And race has never, not for one day, been a non-issue in this country. I know you must lie about that and deny it in order to feel ok about yourself, because you are a racist and a bigot, but it is a lie.

  • MadGastronomer

    Plenty of Hillary’s supporters are bigoted. We live in a bigoted society. But ALL of Trumps supporters have taken bigoted action by supporting a bigot. Enacting bigotry makes one a bigot.

  • Marja Erwin

    I get beaten up for my disabilities. I get strobed too. After one especially bad strobing last month, I was still vomiting two days later. I have to wear ear plugs, and ear protectors to go outside. I don’t think there is suitable eye protection, and current policies don’t consider those of us with sensory processing issues. I have had a number of close calls where I have been hit by flashing lights from several directions, and ended up stumbling into the street, especially at intersections because of the turn signals from all directions. Ableism screws up my life, and inflicts a lot of pain, and could easily end my life.

  • Your observation is flawed based on the definition of the word.
    Bigotry: “intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.” That definition fits the Democrat party, its leaders and it supporters.

  • You are presumptuous in the extreme. You are not in any position to judge “25%’ of the country in any way. President elect Trump will now be in the news for 4-years and one can only hope he blames everything on Obama everyday.

  • MadGastronomer

    Bigoted is as bigoted does. If you do bigoted things, you are a bigot. That’s all I need to know.

  • Your opinion carries your prejudice with it. Praise God for choosing Trump over the totally corrupted Clinton family.

  • MadGastronomer

    Nope. You’re a bigot.

  • That all is heartfelt. Still, it is only half of what needs to be said, because the election of Clinton would have been just as bad for the parents of the kids whom Clinton would have killed as president. It is a Democrat and Republican thing because both the Democrats and Republicans put up candidates who were toxic.

  • Exactly! Democratic war mongering presidents put liberals to sleep with the illusion of being comfortable people.

  • Interesting intolerance from someone who says they want to have discussions.

  • MadGastronomer

    Bigot.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Dear Dr. Benjamin L. Corey:

    I am relatively new at this blog and have enjoyed reading and commenting on some of your articles. But this one had me feeling sad for the young girl who from the photo appears to be sweet and innocent. From what I can assess, she is probably a new immigrant who does not yet know how to speak or understand English. That in itself is a major problem. But there is no other person who can assuage her fears, make her feel more confident and less worried than you. Even if you personally have worries regarding the current political environment, you should not share those with her. But judging from what you wrote here, I have to wonder if you are perhaps unwittingly contributing to her anxiety. You need to assure her that no one can remove her from the land and with that assurance she can walk around her school with less fear and more confidence. It is also possible that she feels totally out of place if her school environment it totally white. You may want to consider enrolling her in a different school district where there are more students who look like her and with whom she can kindle friendships much more easily. You may also want to consider home schooling – or else risk having the young girl left with permanent psychological damage. You seem to be a loving father and your love and support is all that she needs. On Trump, I have always felt that all that talk was only talk and I can show you whyI feel that I have been correct with the following two examples:
    ___
    1- Trump garnered huge support directly because of his hatred for Islam and Muslims and his pledge to ban Muslims from entering the country. But the very day that he was elected, the link on his website about banning Muslims disappeared.

    2- He had made a pledge to move the capital of “Israel” to Jerusalem. But an article today with this title appeared: “Trump Camp Quietly Walks Back Promises to Move Embassy to Jerusalem, Dismantle Iran Deal”.
    ___
    I am no Trump supporter but I do not believe that Trump is the monster he is made out to be. There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary would have been much more dangerous to so many countries, specially in the ME had she been elected.

  • Helen4Yemen

    How Americans voted

    —— —- Trump — Clinton
    Males ——– 53% — 41%
    Female —— 42% — 54%
    Whites —— 58% — 37%
    Blacks ——- 8% — 88%
    Hispanics — 29% — 65%
    Asian ——– 29% — 65%
    18-29 ——– 37% — 55%
    30-44 ——– 42% — 50%
    45-64 ——– 53% — 44%
    65+ ———– 53% — 45%
    Evangelicals – 81% — 16%
    Catholics —– 52% — 45%
    Jews ———- 24% — 71%
    Veterans —– 61% — 34%

  • Lancelot Blackeburne

    I have to ask. What does “sfws” stand for?

  • Jeff Preuss

    I find it very difficult to wrap my head around the decision of some of my friends – whom I know to not be bigoted – to vote for Trump. His choice of a divisive campaign, in my mind, could not have been more objectively bigoted. How can these folks whom I know to be caring and thoughtful vote for someone who so clearly isn’t?

    But all logic and reason and a lot of compassion flew right out the window this election.

    Edit: to change question mark to period.

  • Herm

    I am male, White, 65+, a veteran and a disciple of Christ who voted for Clinton. I can’t get it right in any demographic. Why did I vote like a female, Black, 18-29, non-veteran Jewish citizen? I was born in the wrong body, at the wrong time, and in the wrong religious community. I want a do over or a really convincing make over.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    So you voted for sodomy, killing babies, illegal immigrants that don’t respect our laws and 10’s of thousands of Muslims refugees that hate Christians.

  • Herm

    You didn’t read to comprehend what the only living Word of God has to say to you as I shared it earlier today, did you? You remain trapped in the traditions of your father and mother, spouse and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even your own life. You probably believe wholeheartedly in “American exceptionalism” and “Yankee ingenuity”. No room for the Spirit of truth there.

    As a Tea Party member what constitutional rights have you been denied? Do you really claim Jesus Christ as your Lord God? Oh, so many questions prompted from the fervor of your hate.

    You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Matthew 5:43-48

    You are loved.

  • Helen4Yemen

    1- Where is your evidence that Muslims hate Christians?

    2- America in its entirety was stolen from the indigenous peoples. Be grateful to your murdering and genocidal ancestors who stole this land on your behalf.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    The evidence is in the Quran, “The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.”
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

    And there is 1400 years of history.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&list=PLxKnqETu0QJMmJecJRDFAjTtRfb6nB6s4

  • Southern__Hoosier

    Deuteronomy 30:15 GNTA “Today I am giving you a choice between good and evil, between life and death.”
    And you choose evil. I know I will have a lot to answer for in my life, but voting to kill 3/4 of a million babies won’t be one of them.

  • Helen4Yemen

    You mean like these?

    __ 1 Samuel 15:3 “Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don’t have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys.”

    __ Deuteronomy 25:19 The Lord your God will help you capture the land, and he will give you peace. But when that day comes, you must wipe out Amalek so completely that no one will remember they ever lived.

    __ Deuteronomy 7:1 People of Israel, the Lord your God will help you take the land of the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. These seven nations have more people and are stronger than Israel, but when you attack them, 2 the Lord will force them out of the land. Then you must destroy them without mercy. Don’t make any peace treaties with them, 3 and don’t let your sons and daughters marry any of them.

    __ Deuteronomy 7:16 When the Lord helps you defeat your enemies, you must destroy them without pity! And don’t get trapped into worshiping their gods.

    __ Deuteronomy 7:2 the Lord will force them out of the land. Then you must destroy them without mercy. Don’t make any peace treaties with them.

  • Helen4Yemen

    You must not know thy bible since so much of it is instruction on how to commit genocide.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Those who voted for Hillary

    Blacks (88%)
    Jews (71%)
    Hispanics (65%)
    Asian (65%)
    Blacks have lived in American history and tasted the devastating cruelty of a racist government and will be more inclined to vote for a candidate who promises to be more inclusive. I am not sure why Jews vote democratic except to say that they used to be a marginalized minority at one point in American history. Hispanics and Asians might be motivated about equal opportunity in employment, housing, etc. and most importantly concerns about immigration.

    Those who voted for Trump
    81% were evangelicals and considering that Trump is actually an atheist makes no sense to me – I don’t get it. 61% were veterans and that is directly as a result of repeated promises by Trump to do right by them. It is amazing that 29% of Hispanics voted for him and the only way that can be explained is that they saw Trump as I saw him, all those negative words were only campaign rhetoric.

    Younger Americans favored Clinton and older ones Trump. That probably means that as people age, they become more conservative.

    I am still looking for data on how American Muslims voted.
    ___
    There is also data on how Americans voted based on occupation and education. The more educated went for Clinton and and the less educated for Trump, more white collars went for Clinton and blue collars for Trump.
    ___

  • Southern__Hoosier

    At least you called them indigenous people and not Native Americans, I’ll give you that much credit. And those indigenous people we stole the land from were of European descent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMG2kP8Tp0

    And my “murdering and genocidal ancestors,” the Saxon. stole England from the Celts.

  • gimpi1

    I’m not afraid of you. I am afraid of the consequences of your actions. You may not hate people, but your actions will make the lives of many people worse. Your lack of hatred doesn’t change that. I really don’t care about how you feel about any of this. You may view your feelings as perfectly reasonable, but those feelings have led you to do something that I’m pretty sure will cause great harm to a great many people. And, it appears that you don’t care about that.

    I would love to have a civil conversation. But that conversation has to be based on facts. You said many, many things that aren’t factual. Did yo know that? If you can’t grasp the facts of any given situation, how can there be anything to talk about?

    If you’re interested, here’s a smattering of fact-checking:
    So few people are coming in illegally these days that the idea of “open borders” as relates to immigration is foolish.
    The “open border” comment never applied to immigration, anyway. It was concerning trade, and moving goods. No one was suggesting simply allowing unchecked immigration from anywhere.
    Utmost caution is already being used in vetting immigrants from the middle-east, what I assume you mean by “areas where terrorism is out of control. (Terrorism is a big problem in South America, but most people don’t seem to register that, for some reason. Perhaps because it’s mostly not Muslim terrorism.) The vetting process takes from two to four years.
    Immigrants as a whole are more law-abiding than native-born. This is true all across the board, including immigrants from the middle east.
    Most terrorists aren’t Muslim. The two most active terrorist organizations of the 20th century were Christian; the KKK and the IRA. Right now, there are quite a few terrorist groups in South America, they range over the political map.
    Systemic racism is proven. Objective studies have been done in issues of employment, housing, policing and general opinion. Over and over, strong bias favoring white people appear, in virtually very study that has looked at the issue. This bias affects how society functions at almost every levei.

    I don’t hate you. However, I am frustrated that you don’t care about any of this. I know this won’t do any good. You know what you believe, and you most likely aren’t willing to look at anything that might tell you that you’re not correct about some things.

  • gimpi1

    Actually, the AMA is already estimating the death-rate from the repeal of the ACA at 100,000 people. Those people who won’t be able to be diagnosed in time to treat a condition, or who won’t be able to afford the treatment they need without insurance. Now, that may be a bit premature, since we haven’t seen the proposed replacement, but the AMA is not hopeful. Of course, that doesn’t count disabilities and suffering.

    Oh, and since there appears to be a strong desire to get rid of the EPA, you can add perhaps another 2,000 to 3,000 deaths from increased pollution. AMA again. And, increased disabilities from asthma, COPD and other breathing problems. Water contamination will get much worse, especially as fracking increases. That may bring another 1,000 deaths to the party.

    Actions have consequences. The actions that Mr. Trump has proposed will kill people. I’m sorry if this seems harsh, but that’s the reality I see.

  • otrotierra

    For brown bodies in select Middle Eastern countries, the drones would indeed still drop since the U.S. is well-skilled at importing terrorism regardless of party affiliation.

    But for brown bodies within U.S. borders, the difference between the two candidates is rather significant. I think Dr. Corey makes a solid case for this in his commentary.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    Are you sure you aren’t a Muslim? ”
    “Nevertheless, to support their claim, The American Muslim quotes sixteen of the worst passages that the Bible has to offer in the way of violence. ”
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/bible-quran-violence.aspx

    The Quran is an open end call to wage war against all nonbelievers, which has been going on for 1400 years and continues through today. Whereas in the Bible attacks were limited to Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites

  • otrotierra

    Herm: thank you for your strength, your wisdom, your spirit!

  • gimpi1

    Um, what Herm said is sort of what you said earlier, when you cited being bullied until you “grew to be 6’2″ and people were afraid of you.” You really don’t seem to have any solution to bullying, attacks or bigotry is for those being hurt to strike back physically.

    I’m a woman. I’m only 5′ tall. I’m almost 60. I’ll never be big and tough. Is it OK for people to hurt me, since I can’t hurt them? If not, what is your solution?

    Excuse me for an observation, but you really don’t seem to live outside your own head much. Do you think that’s accurate?

    Also, as to that systemic racism that you don’t think exists, if a person of color defends themselves against a white person bullying them, depending on where they are and what the local police are like, they can find themselves charged with a crime. Yes that still happens.

    In fact, where I live, a black man using a golf-club as a cane was arrested for – well, something – by a white officer. The officer claimed that he had been “hitting street signs” but the car-cam disproved her claim. Eventually, she was fired and she just lost her lawsuit, but the man still spent some time in jail before the case was dismissed, and was still hurt and humiliated. I’ve never heard of a white person being arrested for using something as a cane. And I walk with a cane.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    “Nevertheless, to support their claim, The American Muslim quotes sixteen of the worst passages that the Bible has to offer in the way of violence. ” Only 16? The Koran has 109..
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

    The Quran is an open end call to wage war against all nonbelievers, which has been going on for 1400 years and continues through today. Whereas in the Bible attacks were limited to Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites

  • Helen4Yemen

    Who was spared?

  • Helen4Yemen

    ” the Bible attacks were limited to Hittites,..”

    Who was spared?

  • Helen4Yemen

    Change your usder id to Southern__Loser

  • John

    OK, I’ll make sure to tell all the black people I work with and admire. They probably aren’t aware.

  • MadGastronomer

    You can be friends and even family with black people and still be racist. You can be black and still be racist. “Some of my best friends are black” is the cry of the racist.

  • John

    Why did you put quotes on that? I sure didn’t say it. There’s a reason I specifically said that I admire them. They are great people who stand among the most admirable people I’ve ever met. Their blackness is a fact of nature just like I’m white. I couldn’t care less when it comes to what I think of them. They are extremely smart, very courageous, and, most importantly, they are good people who work every day to improve the lives of those around them. Of course, they agree with me on many issues because they’re there in the trenched having to see these broken lives every day, but, hey, I guess they’re just racists, too.

    I wish my world were as simply as yours; one where everyone who happens to disagree with me is a bad person who I can ignore, but I try to live in the real world where people have different experiences and different opinions.

    You’re welcome to call me whatever you want. I don’t really care what a random person online thinks of me. I wouldn’t be here discussing on a blog where the vast majority of people disagree with me if I did. I do care what the people who I mentioned, including the black people I mentioned, think of me, and none of them think I’m racist. So I’ll go ahead and stick with them. They’ve shown themselves to be people of character, even those who disagree on the things I’ve been discussion in this thread.

  • cvxxx

    The traditional working class will have to adapt to the technology. The economists need to learn that the old ways will no longer function like they did.

  • Sarah

    “Her strategy of dividing the country along racial, ethnic and gender lines failed.” I wasn’t aware she had such a strategy. If she did and it failed, trump’s strategy of doing that certainly succeeded.

  • cvxxx

    Where do people get this cult of fear? Because the entitled Pcism,every kid wins a prize is nor being caught up by reality? Not everybody will like you and for many different reasons or none at all. That’s life.

  • MadGastronomer

    It’s got quotes because it’s the notionally typical phrasing.

    When you do racist things, you are a racist.

  • Sarah

    I have to agree with Kayden here- trump is NOT the same as Clinton. One is an imbecile, the other is a stateswoman. No comparison, and his rhetoric has left many of us unwilling to even accept him as a president. Jeeze- we thought GW was bad. I shiver. But I agree with you that we should share as a goal that all hatred and violence end. However, try telling that to someone who has been dealing with hatred and violence their entire lives purely based on their skin color (or gender, or etc), and has only begun to experience that more since last Tuesday. (Or, more realistically, since this godawful campaigning began.) They deserve to be angry.

  • I remember you now – the Racist Sniffer. Now you have added another talent – the Bigot Detector.

  • MadGastronomer

    You’re still a bigot as well as a racist.

  • AnnieOly

    Thank you Ben, for expressing so beautifully what I and so many others are feeling. We are grieving with you, and on Nov 9th I woke up feeling ashamed to be an American. God help us, and God bless you and your family.

  • Herm

    Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?”

    No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it. See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess. But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed.

    You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess. This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    Deuteronomy 30:11-20

    No, you do not know your Bible and you don’t hear the voice of the LORD your God either.

    He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

    Luke 10:27-28

    Ignorance is not knowing what you do not know. You do not know Jesus and the Father in you through the Holy Spirit.

    “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

    John 14:15-21

    This is God telling a father to kill his baby.

    Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

    Genesis 22:2

    God killed babies, in the womb, in the great flood and in Sodom. We killed babies, in the womb, with their mother in Shock and Awe supported by the lies of the party you just put in office led by an adulterer. But then King David was an adulterer who had her husband killed so God killed King David’s son as punishment. All but Shock and Awe is in the Testament you just quoted regarding God’s love for babies.

    Jesus our Messiah offers you life eternal inherited today as a child of God if you only you become His student (disciple) filled by the Spirit of truth. Today you are only a student, at best, of religions and family traditions that keep you from Them.

    I don’t choose evil for God, the Architect, as my only Teacher cannot be judged by Man as evil. You sit in judgment of me when only Jesus has all authority over heaven and on earth for my allegiance. I serve only one master.

  • Herm

    Why this fetish over a blowjob? You are aware that Donald J. Trump has had at least two sexual affairs, adultery, on two wives prior to the one he has now, right? He even has supported the Iraq war before he didn’t. He even led the birther movement for four years after the birth certificate that no other president in history had to show because all presidents are vetted by the government before they can get their name on the ballot.

    Words do matter and they do kill … they are not worthless nor by themselves serve as a quilt trip.

    You have run the course with me because you choose to do nothing but offer idiocy. Bye

  • Herm

    thank you

  • Herm

    You really don’t know your Qur’an, Hadith and Sira either.

    Read each before you use them as evidence as spouted by your hate site.

    Try this website:

    https://www.quora.com/How-objective-is-the-Religion-of-Peace-website

    You are out of your league and badly informed.

  • Herm

    Thank you for your love!!!

  • Sarah

    Cripes, Jay! She’s his wife!! How would you react to some guy who was sexually involved with your wife on the side? I doubt you’d be very magnanimous towards him. Even if he claimed that it was sexual assault (none of which in Clinton’s case- to my knowledge- has yet been proved). However, trump actually SAID he sexually assaults women, and several have come forward to support his claim. You can’t suddenly expect objectiveness from someone in regards to her personal life that you would not have yourself if you were in the same situation. And finally, Hillary was running for president, not her husband. Fascinating how people keep throwing that in her face, as if to make his transgressions entirely her fault. How low.

  • Bones

    How sad that respecting others is now something to be hated….so kids can call blacks niggers in the guise of free speech and expression…

    Have you asked the Native Americans what they think of multiculturalism?

  • Sarah

    “Young” being the operative word. Hell, it’s only a matter of time before that predilection gets him in trouble again…

  • Herm

    So, you’re one of those who believes all marriages are sanctified by God even under the civil law of a nation which recognizes equally people made up of many different beliefs of a Deity or no deity in authority, right? … or are you one of those who has no issue with PCism?

    Fear heightens the senses in time of threat to give one time to calculate the consequences of fight or flee. Fear is not a cult for everyone is free to be different in their choice.

    No one fears simply because they are not liked or are liked unless their survival depends on being valued. Most people independently know when to accept the increased security of shared circled of wagons or castle walls inspired by very real fear of very real threats.

    Do you consider yourself fretful, unique, and scholarly ready to bargain?

  • Bones

    Yawn…….

    The GOP has been playing identity politics since Bill Clinton……

    Those old manufacturing jobs are gone forever….the future for the unskilled working class is pretty grim with the death of unionism……

  • Bones

    That’s a bit like saying well the Nazis were only after the Jews…..so they weren’t really that bad.

    Nice work quoting hate sites.

    Why is that no surprise.

    If you want to know what a Muslim believes ask a Muslim – not hate sites.

  • Bones

    Lol…the fifteenth century called…it misses you.

  • Bones

    And you’re the False Witness, Bob.

  • Bones

    He wears that as a badge of honour.

  • Bones

    Yes, it’s Hilary’s fault that her husband is unfaithful….

    It’s not Trump’s fault that he screws around….

    Anyone notice a flaw in that thinking….

    Pretty sure Trump threatened to sue women as well.

    But that’s ok….

    Just ask Bill Cosby…

  • Bones

    Ummmmm anti-abortion laws kill more babies than liberal laws do….

    The data from countries around the world is conclusive….

    Those countries where abortions are legal like western Europe have far lower abortion rates than countries where it is illegal like in nearly all of Africa.

    “In Uganda, where abortion is illegal and sex education programs focus only on abstinence, the estimated abortion rate was 54 per 1,000 women in 2003, more than twice the rate in the United States, 21 per 1,000 in that year. The lowest rate, 12 per 1,000, was in Western Europe, with legal abortion and widely available contraception.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html
    That makes you a baby killer.

  • Bones

    Except for like the 99.9% of Muslims who aren’t at war with anyone….

    I take it you are at war with Muslims…..

    How about you join up so you can go shoot some or are you too much of a coward?

  • Bones

    You’re funny….

    US Christianity is totally f*cked….

    It really isn’t much different to those who want caliphates.

    They hate liberals too.

  • Sarah

    And what a waste of time and public resources that was.

  • MadGastronomer

    He certainly seems to, yes. But I make it a point to call these things out as often as I can.

  • Bones

    Lol…there’s some great videos there by JewsBanTheTruth9……

    But then you aren’t racist…..

  • Bones

    Neoliberalism: the deep story that lies beneath Donald Trump’s triumph

    The events that led to Donald Trump’s election started in England in 1975. At a meeting a few months after Margaret Thatcher became leader of the Conservative party, one of her colleagues, or so the story goes, was explaining what he saw as the core beliefs of conservatism. She snapped open her handbag, pulled out a dog-eared book, and slammed it on the table. “This is what we believe,” she said. A political revolution that would sweep the world had begun.

    The book was The Constitution of Liberty by Frederick Hayek. Its publication, in 1960, marked the transition from an honest, if extreme, philosophy to an outright racket. The philosophy was called neoliberalism. It saw competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. The market would discover a natural hierarchy of winners and losers, creating a more efficient system than could ever be devised through planning or by design. Anything that impeded this process, such as significant tax, regulation, trade union activity or state provision, was counter-productive. Unrestricted entrepreneurs would create the wealth that would trickle down to everyone.

    The ultra rich are “scouts”, “experimenting with new styles of living”, who blaze the trails that the rest of society will follow. The progress of society depends on the liberty of these “independents” to gain as much money as they want and spend it how they wish. All that is good and useful, therefore, arises from inequality. There should be no connection between merit and reward, no distinction made between earned and unearned income, and no limit to the rents they can charge.

    Inherited wealth is more socially useful than earned wealth: “the idle rich”, who don’t have to work for their money, can devote themselves to influencing “fields of thought and opinion, of tastes and beliefs.” Even when they seem to be spending money on nothing but “aimless display”, they are in fact acting as society’s vanguard.

    Hayek softened his opposition to monopolies and hardened his opposition to trade unions. He lambasted progressive taxation and attempts by the state to raise the general welfare of citizens. He insisted that there is “an overwhelming case against a free health service for all” and dismissed the conservation of natural resources.It should come as no surprise to those who follow such matters that he was awarded the Nobel prize for economics.

    Thatcherism and Reaganism were not ideologies in their own right: they were just two faces of neoliberalism. Their massive tax cuts for the rich, crushing of trade unions, reduction in public housing, deregulation, privatisation, outsourcing and competition in public services were all proposed by Hayek and his disciples. But the real triumph of this network was not its capture of the right, but its colonisation of parties that once stood for everything Hayek detested.

    Bill Clinton and Tony Blair did not possess a narrative of their own. Rather than develop a new political story, they thought it was sufficient to triangulate. In other words, they extracted a few elements of what their parties had once believed, mixed them with elements of what their opponents believed, and developed from this unlikely combination a “third way”.

    It was inevitable that the blazing, insurrectionary confidence of neoliberalism would exert a stronger gravitational pull than the dying star of social democracy. Hayek’s triumph could be witnessed everywhere from Blair’s expansion of the private finance initiative to Clinton’s repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act, which had regulated the financial sector. For all his grace and touch, Barack Obama, who didn’t possess a narrative either (except “hope”), was slowly reeled in by those who owned the means of persuasion.

    As I warned in April, the result is first disempowerment then disenfranchisement. If the dominant ideology stops governments from changing social outcomes, they can no longer respond to the needs of the electorate. Politics becomes irrelevant to people’s lives; debate is reduced to the jabber of a remote elite. The disenfranchised turn instead to a virulent anti-politics in which facts and arguments are replaced by slogans, symbols and sensation. The man who sank Hillary Clinton’s bid for the presidency was not Donald Trump. It was her husband.

    The paradoxical result is that the backlash against neoliberalism’s crushing of political choice has elevated just the kind of man that Hayek worshipped. Trump, who has no coherent politics, is not a classic neoliberal. But he is the perfect representation of Hayek’s “independent”; the beneficiary of inherited wealth, unconstrained by common morality, whose gross predilections strike a new path that others may follow. The neoliberal thinktankers are now swarming round this hollow man, this empty vessel waiting to be filled by those who know what they want. The likely result is the demolition of our remaining decencies, beginning with the agreement to limit global warming.

    Those who tell the stories run the world. Politics has failed through a lack of competing narratives. The key task now is to tell a new story of what it is to be a human in the 21st century. It must be as appealing to some who have voted for Trump and Ukip as it is to the supporters of Clinton, Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn.

    A few of us have been working on this, and can discern what may be the beginning of a story. It’s too early to say much yet, but at its core is the recognition that – as modern psychology and neuroscience make abundantly clear – human beings, by comparison with any other animals, are both remarkably social and remarkably unselfish. The atomisation and self-interested behaviour neoliberalism promotes run counter to much of what comprises human nature.

    Hayek told us who we are, and he was wrong. Our first step is to reclaim our humanity.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/what-i-wish-my-white-friends-family-understood-about-our-election-grief/#comment-3001135645

  • Jay Singh

    Hillary Clinton carried out the scorched earth campaign against the accusers years before Trump’s improper sexual advances hit the news media. The question of proof is different from the question of respecting the accuser at the time of the accusation. And, since Hillary Clinton was running for President, we have every right to compare how she treated Bill Clinton’s accusers (campaign of destruction) versus how she treated Trump’s accusers. You can bring up emotion about one’s spouse all you want. Hillary could have said, about Bill’s accusers, “I love my husband, I think they are not telling the truth, but let the investigations occur objectively”. But she did not do that, and voters had the right to ask why not.

  • Matthew

    What´s the Christian realm like in Australia?

  • Jay Singh

    There is plenty of violence and property destruction occurring in the mostly peaceful demonstrations against Trump, now that he is President Elect. People have reason to be angry, and the right to act on such anger, within the context of peaceful protest. Those who act peacefully in expressing their anger have my total support. Those who destroy property or otherwise act violently have my total opposition.

    Trump is not the same as Clinton, but violent protest against Trump is wrong, and it is occurring. And, as I have stated emphatically, the actions such as chanting “build the wall” are a disgrace, and have to be opposed. But, just because you think Clinton is better than Trump, you cannot be silent when anti Trump violence occurs. Period.

  • Matthew

    I´m no expert really, and maybe I live in a dream world, but the first step (I think) is for both sides to stop demonizing one another and to really listen to one another. I don´t think we even hear one another, we simply angrily talk past one another (I´m speaking mainly Christian to Christian here Herm).

    I also think there needs to be more focus on Jesus and less on the things that separate us — like the culture war topics we are all too aware of.

    I´m still in the midst of trying to navigate through this stuff Herm. I don´t have all the answers, but I desire to at least be on what I consider to be the right track.

    Thanks so much for asking.

  • Matthew

    Thanks so much Bones.

    I agree with 95% of the article … really, however I´m not sure I agree that we as humans are not selfish, but that belief probably has something to do with the theological paradigm I currently view reality through.

  • Bones

    More pragmatic…..We want our free health care… Evangelicals are a tiny minority….Large megachurches like Hillsong are more into into image than politics per se. The largest denominations in Australia are liberal.

    Over here someone like Franklin Graham would be seen as an irrelevant loon…hence why nutters like Ken Ham have to go to the US to get attention and fame.

  • Bones

    When unions are destroyed the working man is by himself and at the mercy of the profit machine and its share holders.

  • Matthew

    Thanks. There are evangelicals here in Germany, but interestingly enough they don´t seem to be as politically active as their U.S. brethren. This mixture of religion with politics where Christianity is concerned seems to be very much an American phenomenon.

    Also … even the Christian parties here in Germany don´t struggle over the culture war issues like in the U.S. (at least that´s my understanding). Odd really when one considers that in Bavaria there are a lot of Roman Catholics I think.

  • Matthew

    I suppose the working men and women found a political messiah in Trump. The outsider who will crush an establishment that has done nothing for the working class electorate.

    That said, according to the article, the neolibs are going to attack Trump like a swarm of bees and make him into what they want. So much for political “messiahship”.

    And the wheel keeps turning …….

  • Apollos

    HAHA! Are you kidding me?! You list Uganda and then claim that “data from countries around the world is conclusive”? LOL! Go look up Russia, please. You godless people will say anything to support the American abortion machine. Pitiful.

  • Southern__Hoosier
  • Apollos

    You are a Christian and then say these things? If you understood the why of these things, you would not be writing what you write.

  • Apollos

    Before you start talking down to others, maybe you ought to be aware that you, also, are ignorant of Islam. I have lived in the Arab World for almost two decades and I can tell you that you progressive “social justice warriors” are even more ignorant than the people you like to talk down to.

  • Southern__Hoosier

    You can post anything you like, but it doesn’t change the fact that you voted to kill 3/4 of a million babies. And you will have to answer it, not me. I have enough to answer for.

    If God is such a terrible being, why are you calling yourself a Christian?

  • Bones

    Just see who Trump is surrounding himself with….

  • Bones

    Uhuh…

    Tunisia also has the lowest abortion rate in Africa and the Middle East and is one of the few countries in Africa where abortion is legal…It is illegal in nearly every other country……

    See also Latin America….

    The figures don’t lie…it’s anti-abortion policies which create more abortions.

    Btw before Roe v Wade there were 1 million illegal abortions per year.

  • Bones

    You need to post more videos from Jew haters….lol the Trump supporter

    Anti-abortion policies create more abortions…..

    The evidence of countries around the world is conclusive….

    “The wealth of information that comes out of the study provides some striking lessons, the researchers said. In Uganda, where abortion is illegal and sex education programs focus only on abstinence, the estimated abortion rate was 54 per 1,000 women in 2003, more than twice the rate in the United States, 21 per 1,000 in that year. The lowest rate, 12 per 1,000, was in Western Europe, with legal abortion and widely available contraception.”

    You’re the real baby killer…..

  • Sarah, this election received more media coverage than any in history. Hillary’s “coalition” to electoral victory included: women, black, hispanics, millenials, and college educated voters in that order.

    Trump was left with non-college educated white males.

  • Bones

    You mean like on here….

    http://gawker.com/furious-trump-supporters-destroy-prostester-signs-at-ma-1751561987

    Like I said I’m glad I don’t live in such a hate-filled country like yourself which is basically a country of c*nts.

    And yeah the liberal Jesus is the same one who stands against oppression from dickheads like yourself. Dickheads who want to push their puritanism onto others just like the conservative pharisees.

    You’d still kill him today.

    You’re a f*cking disgrace college boy.

    I’m so glad I don’t live in your shithouse country.

    My commisserations for those quality human beings who do.

  • Bones

    Actually the largest Muslim country is Indonesia and my neighbour.

    So I know bigots like you know shit about Islam.

  • Bones

    Interesting that the Trump has brought out the gay haters….

  • Bones

    If we came together, I can tell you now there wouldn’t be many standing….

    Evangelical Christians are the last people on Earth I want to hang around with.

    The posts on here have been by pure scum….

  • Bones

    The fact that ISIS mainly kills Muslims would be lost on you.

  • Bones

    Don’t worry.

    Bob, has unashamedly lied on this site for the past couple of months.

    And then he tries to make himself out as some great Christian fighting the evil demonic liberals….

  • Bones

    Lol, why am I not surprised you are a Trump voter.

    Fmd…I’d rather have my eyes plucked out then submit to the evils of your type of Christianity.

  • Matthew

    You are right about this Bones.

  • Bones

    Have to say there’s some great witness on this site of Evangelical Christianity by Trump supporters.

    Gay haters, Jew haters, Muslim haters, justification for the genocide of Native Americans, allegations of child abuse by the blog author.

    Thanks for reminding me why your religion smells worse than a fresh turd.

  • otrotierra

    The election results have emboldened White Evangelicals, and the obvious and measurable increase of their frothing hatred on Patheos comment sections provides the digital footprint that history will remember them for.

  • Matthew

    I´m beginning to think I live in a dream world.

  • Bones

    European Evangelicals have a totally different philosophy….heck I was raised on John Stott…and Australian Evangelicals have been more committed to social justice…

    What we see in the US is a form of extremism coupled with Nationalism and conservative political ideology.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Oh, great. You’re back. To the blocking machine!!!

  • Jeff Preuss

    There was actually a very interesting program on TV the other night that had an American journalist documenting anti-ISIS efforts by Kurds. ISIS has done incalculable damage to their region, and they are pushing back.

    But why would they attack Muslims? It doesn’t fit our narrative, does it?

  • Bones

    Don’t mention that kurds are muslims that doesn’t fit the agenda of Muslim hating sites.

  • Ron McPherson

    LOLOL!!!

  • Herm

    You don’t know God, not the creator God who gave us all, of mankind, an opportunity of infant awareness with the divine gift of a spiritual image of Them to be responsible for. You haven’t addressed the fact that Jesus and our heavenly Father chose to prematurely abort God’s only begotten Son’s carnal life for us, that we may know God’s love that was not reflected in the religious authorities’ theologies, dogmas and rituals that could kill God’s baby.

    You fight with all your limited might here to stop abortions of the cute, little, helpless babies by ending Roe versus Wade with a new Supreme Court interpretation in total ignorance of the facts before Roe (before there was counseling and sanitary facilities).

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3791164/

    This is not from one of your hate groups that seems to dictate your God graced sensibilities by propaganda that serves to kill more spirits of life by their lies than they save. The same influence of Caiaphas’ lies that could cloud the hearts and minds of God fearing people to vote to kill the Son of God in the name of God.

    Did you watch Shock and Awe on your television? Do you know there are valid estimates that you watched 100,000 Iraqis killed due to an influential lie? How many were cute, little, helpless babies in their murdered mother’s womb? What does that do to your sensibilities? Glory to the United States of America for we stopped the killing of our babies by preemptively blowing up all those weapons of mass destruction … that didn’t exist.

    You fly the Gadsden flag as your avatar. Do you know that the original Tea Party was not at all about constitutional rights of individuals? It was purely about the right of business owners not to be taxed by the King of England without representation in the year 1773. It sparked a revolution of independence in 1776 in which 217,000 servicemen died with a total of 651,031 battle related deaths. What constitutional rights were denied you by the Obama administration in the first two years?

    God loves all life, even the life we tread on to hold on to our “American exceptionalism” and “Yankee ingenuity” rights that we are so taught to believe we earned … well, our forefathers earned, right? You have been taught that we, or one of our family, earns everything or we starve. We only starve when we do not share as God shares for all we have, every resource, was graced to us bountifully.

    Jesus, with all authority over heaven and on earth, never asked in the Bible, or asks in my heart and mind, that His representatives stop the discriminate killing of babies. Jesus never has asked that we pick up a sword to kill our enemy. Quite the opposite, He demands that we pick up our cross, in His example, in defense of those hearts and minds misled by propaganda dictating that the oh so brief flicker of carnal life, no different than any other animal’s life on earth, is more important than eternal life. He does demand before that, before you can learn from Him directly, that you hate all the personal self-defensive carnal family traditions of allegiance that barricade you from becoming a little sister/brother student of His in God.

    You fight today focused to preserve the temporal carnal life first based on your maternal or paternal instincts, no different than any other animal species’ instincts on earth, and you and yours who follow will surely die. If you fight with all your spiritual heart and mind in love, filled with the Spirit of truth as your heart and mind can and will allow as you grow in spiritual strength, following the instructions of the Messiah then the most lives out of Man will be saved to live eternally.

    If you want the Spirit of truth to be in you, and you in God, then stop obeying the dominating influences of the “Tea Party” and your good ole’ southern Indiana traditions of religious practices. The only way is to grab onto the eternal lifeline Jesus and our Father offers you right this moment. Ask in all humility and you will receive.

    Tens of thousands of Jesus’ followers willingly suffered His agony on their cross within the first 300 years after His ascension because they knew the Spirit of truth that ascended on Jesus at His baptism. I know.

    You really are loved even as Caiaphas was truly loved.

  • Herm

    Please, explain the why of these things.

  • Herm

    Please, explain this, also.

  • Herm

    Wait, wait, wait, wasn’t it just you who accused me of looking down on people? Come down a moment, look me in the eye and then tell me you didn’t.

  • Herm

    I am not rewriting any history.

    The responsibility to an intentional lie that influenced so much confusion at the time lays directly in the lap of Vice-President Cheney. I am on record from the beginning, even if WMDs existed, not to upset the sensitive balance of power in the region. This because history was very clear that we would reap what we have today.

    What is this “white boy” thing with you? Don’t I get out in the sun enough? Thanks, although, for the less threatening “straight white boy” illusion.

  • Herm

    Thank you for contributing!

  • Jeff Preuss

    Note: For those of you who prefer not to interact with Eva because of her consistently dishonest behavior, it appears she is back as ‘Phoenix.’

  • Sherlang

    To be fair, we aren’t all like that…..

  • SamHamilton

    I think we should look back on this blog post a year from now and see how things stand in regards to the concerns raised by Mr. Corey here. Reading a bunch of left-wing websites that predict the apocalypse under a President Trump is probably not a good sanity break. Their right-wing equivalent probably said the same thing about a potential Clinton election. None of us knows what Mr. Trump will actually do once he takes office. We can make all the predictions we want and take days off work because of mental distress or smash all the windows of the business down the street, but I think most of what he said during the campaign was just bluster.

    Unfortunately, Mr. Corey’s daughter would have faced racial taunts, insensitive statements regarding her English proficiency, skin color, etc. regardless of who was elected. The chances of her being sexually assaulted didn’t increase because of the events of Nov. 8th. She’s not going to be deported, and Mr. Corey needs to assure her of that, not stoke her fears.

  • SamHamilton

    Re: Hispanics. I actually think we’d be surprised at the number of Hispanics who favor stricter immigration enforcement.

  • SamHamilton

    This article is kind of silly. There are jerks out there who do awful things. They exist on both the left and the right and also defy political classification. People were getting bullied before Nov 8th and they will, unfortunately, keep getting bullied afterwards. We need to stand up to bullies. Tallying up every instance of post election bullying and blaming it on Trump is pointless.

  • SamHamilton

    Like those who’ll have to endure nine months of pregnancy and childbirth to bring unwanted children into the world.

    Mr. Corey believes you have nothing to fear in this regard.

  • cvxxx

    Please study history. Mankind has done that for centuries.

  • cvxxx

    Religions revel the inner monster.

  • cvxxx

    Abortion is very good for society. One cannot enslave one one hand and declare it does not on the other.

  • SamHamilton

    Aw, man. Tell me about it. I had to wait 10 minutes(!) as my commuter train stalled this morning. And my sandwich was soggy! See what happens in Trump’s America!!

    Seriously, this could have happened to you at any time over the past 100 years in America. This isn’t Trump’s fault. But I do think it would be funny for someone to start a website devoted to recording all the common, everyday problems that get blamed on Trump over the next four years.

  • cvxxx

    Unionism won’t help in an AI economy. The rise of the precariat shows that new wrinkle.

  • Herm

    Ah, but through the counsel of Steve Bannon, selected Top White house adviser, as chronicled in Breitbart News we can all too easily project on what President-elect Trump will do. The counsel of Breitbart News has stoked the fears of many in open racial bias, anti-Muslim conspiracy theories, white nationalist ideology and antisemitism. Where do you think Donald J. Trump got his impetus to pursue the birth certificate of the first Black President of the United States of America. What he said was not campaign bluster but I expect what we fear most will be temporarily cloaked in political correctness in an effort to temper the outrage.

    Sorry Sam, this is not the consequences to be expected from your standard based on political bluster of yore. We will learn whether we look back on this blog or not. The problem is the damage has been done and rewinding to become better informed is not an option. The spirit of instant gratification of the fickle illiterate has prevailed. Quote me as the fool today but save this in your archives in ready reach to review.

    Will we ever learn not to rush in where angels fear to tread? I don’t see any sign of that ever happening founded on the results of this election and the congressional election of 2010.

  • Herm

    … in many different forms and names but remains the same in spirit that mankind has historically done for centuries, and centuries, and centuries, …

  • cvxxx

    Not at all. I am and have been a opponent of PCism. To me is is 1984’s evils all over. The road to Hell,Gre’thor etc is paved by good intentions.

  • cvxxx

    2. Wrong

    1. hate is incorrect. The teaching are covert by the sword and kill those who leave the faith. Hate has nothing to do with it.

  • SamHamilton

    I’m well aware of Mr. Bannon’s influence and his foul connections with what’s called the “alt-right.” I just don’t think we should live in fear based on predictions being made by partisan websites. As I said, Mr. Corey’s daughter would have faced all that he fears regardless of who was elected.

  • SamHamilton

    Mr. Corey never said that she was told to go back where you came from “days after” the election. He just said it happened. For all we know, this happened months ago. Either way, it’s wrong. The kids who said it should be told not to do this anymore and told why they shouldn’t do it.

  • SamHamilton

    Exactly. Not that anyone has any numbers to back up their claims, but even if it could be factually shown that more acts of bullying and violence were committed by Trump supporters than anti-Trump supporters, what would that actually prove? The only thing it would prove is the point you’re making.

  • SamHamilton

    “Trump’s side does X bad thing more than my side” isn’t exactly a good defense.

  • John West

    Trump is not an atheist! He is a born-again Christian, and I know this because James Dobson told me. ;)

  • otrotierra

    The “Not All White People” trope is fairly common knowledge, and Dr. Corey has been consistent in his firm opposition to hatred, racism, sexism, xenophobia, bullying, lies, deception, hypocrisy, fear-mongering, and predatory behavior.

    But with 81% or more of White Evangelicals behind Trump, there is no other religious demographic showing such strong and overwhelming support. That’s why White Evangelicals have inherited the name and legacy of Trump.

  • Dirk Niemand

    I think what you are feeling is the bitter realization that the liberal dream you bought into is nothing more than an illusion of smoke and mirrors, and boy did you buy into it. Even going so far as to marry someone outside of your own race to prove what a good liberal you are, talk about taking one for the team.

    When you are around seven years old and you finally realize that Santa is an illusion, its hurts, but when as an adult you discover that your whole reality is an illusion, its really got to hurt. Especially when you have bi-racial kids as a result of that liberal illusion that we can all live together in harmony as equals.
    Please, children from the same mother and father living together under the same roof struggle to live together in harmony as equals without constant digs and spats with each other. Yet, you were somehow convinced that what does not occur in the natural family would somehow occur in society? Delusional liberals, welcome to the reality wake up call.

  • Sherlang

    The fact that the number is that high is extremely repulsive. The former pastor at the church I am preaching at told the congregation that Trump was God’s blessing upon America and I was just appalled.

  • Sherlang

    White evangelicals have too often been obsessed with winning arguments that actually preaching the good news. The thirst for political power is alarming

  • Dirk Niemand

    In the new Trump era, name calling, emotional bullying and derogatory remarks against us by liberals to try and get us to submit to their liberal agenda, is over. We are who we are and we are proud of it, our President winning the elections is all the proof you need that we will no longer be ruled by PC welding thugs and multi-cultural despots.

    We have liberated the government from the liberal strangle hold over it, next is our educational institutions, our justice system and our religious bodies. The Trump era of freedom has begun. Viva Trump.

  • Herm

    Quantify the “all” in your last sentence, please.

    Do you actually not understand all of the Breitbart News alt-right policies have been given full vindication by this election? Do you dismiss the immediate rise in hate crimes happening right now from both sides as though we as an electorate now have given license to do so on Tuesday?

    This is not the infrequent unacceptable politically incorrect slams of “if you don’t like it here go back to where you came from”. This is real life us against them open warfare today because the “alt-right” has been empowered. This is legal USA born citizens wearing a legal hijab being surrounded by men telling her if they were not in public they would kill her. This is legal USA born Hispanic looking people told forcefully to go back to Mexico where they belong before they are deported. This is Black men kicking Trump voters. No, we didn’t have to expect to face all that the father Benjamin Corey fears if Trump and Bannon were not elected.

    If we don’t fear, as we would fear our benevolent God, we will not begin to do something today to prepare to heal the fallout that any educated in the most rudimentary of world history can predict on Trump’s campaign promises, his number one mentor and what has only begun to happen on our streets. This may be the second stage of grief but the bargaining begins now, not in a year of wait and see.

    Your awareness of “Mr. Bannon’s influence and his foul connections with what’s called the “alt-right.”” is not the awareness of most who elected President-elect Trump except the vindicated “alt-right”. History says we, as a nation and most likely a world, are in for a very painful and bumpy ride on the path we have chosen. All political parties have those of us who would have chosen a challenging but smoother ride and we do fear for the well being of those we love. As a child of God I fear in love for those who in all sincerity voted to improve their lot out of ignorance as in, “forgive them Father for they know not what they do”.

    Natural fear is healthy when we don’t freeze in permanent stasis. God given animal fear constructively should cause us to slow down to assess the perceived threat and then react in full force to prepare that the least of who and what we love is hurt or destroyed.

    We have historically done so much as a community of unique people, beyond the vision of our forefathers, to recognize the equal value of all within our reach to reciprocally support. This progress has been dealt a severe blow by the spirit of self-gratification of me and mine trumps any valued recognition of those others different from me and mine. This is agreed to across the partisan aisle by the educated who love beyond themselves.

    This is not a partisan website fear to be ignored. This is a very real fear for all that is constructive and productive for our nation and the world regardless of political, religious and philosophical perspectives, really. This is fear based on predictions from all parties except those of the alt-right ilk.

    This is so much more than a fear that gay marriage will become federally annulled and that all fetuses will finally have full God given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness regardless of how much that will impair the mother’s rights. This is outright bigotry empowered nationwide to establish who is the deserving we and who all those other usurpers of our rights are that we will deport, based on religion, national heritage and sexual orientation to name only a few. Do I sound uncomfortable because I have never been this uncomfortable with the results of any election in my lifetime in the USA even when my vote lost?

    Sam, knowing what you know today, of world history, would you remain calmly in a wait and see posture if Lenin was just empowered as President-elect with Joseph Stalin as his Top Adviser? It is just that serious!

  • Herm

    And what is your realized conservative solution?

  • Herm

    :-)

  • Dirk Niemand

    Your pastor is right, are you even a Christian that you support that demon thing called Hillary and her satanic liberal agenda?

  • Dirk Niemand

    Why, Trump of cos.

  • Herm

    No, not surprised but then that was what we were all supposed to be addressing in real constructive immigration reform that any bi-partisan discussion on the floor of congress was rejected until President Obama was no longer in office. Why an eight year delay, for what purpose?

  • Sherlang

    Didn’t vote for Hillary. Nice try bud. But even if I did that wouldn’t be “satanic”

  • Herm

    You really impress me with your strong talk … to turn off your anti-christ drivel. In the name of Jesus Christ, with full authority over heaven and on earth, daemons begone!!!

  • Bones

    As I said a great witness that your religion is just a steaming pile of crap.

    The posts on here are witness to the that.

    This is about vengeance and the hate can be seen from the posts on this thread.

    But hey that’s a good thing. Apparentry.

    The hysteria is well noted oh and the rampant idolatry in treating a bereft fool and liar as the messiah.

  • Herm

    I stick with my last message to you! Demonic drivel helps no one!

  • Bones

    Spoken in a country which killed off its unions and left it’s workers at the mercy of corporations and big business.

  • Herm

    … back from the ashes.

  • Bones

    Isn’t it funny how you want the government to take away women’s rights while bleating about health care.

    Conservatives hate free health care.

    It takes away money from buying bombs, raises taxes and helps poor people.

  • Ron McPherson

    “”The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,”
    ‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18‬ ‭ESV‬‬

    “And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.””
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:37-40 ESV

    “He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?”
    ‭‭Micah‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭ESV‬‬

    “”Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.”
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:3-8 ESV

    “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.””
    ‭‭John‬ ‭13:34-35‬ ‭ESV‬‬

  • Herm

    amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • SamHamilton

    Herm,
    Healthy fear is a good thing. I don’t like the rise of Trump and Trumpism, but it’s not as if this is a sudden 180 for our country. The “will to power” ethos has been trending this way for a while. We’ve been concentrating way too much power in a chief executive for a long time. I think it’s a bad thing for our country. I will be watching his presidency with fearful eyes, but irrational fear will do us no good.

    I don’t think there’s anything I can say to assuage your fears though if you think the rise of Mr. Trump is is equivalent to electing Lenin and Stalin. Good day.

  • SamHamilton

    I assume it was because the opponents of the bill in question didn’t think it would actually result in stricter immigration enforcement.

  • SamHamilton

    Thank you. I didn’t know how to respond to that, but you did it better than I could.

  • Helen4Yemen

    I have a different kind of worry, that Trump supporters are realizing how they were taken for fools and supported Trump on totally unrealistic campaign promises and as reality sinks in, they may get violent. That is my worry.

  • Sarah

    “Violence by one side does not get a
    pass be
    cause the other side has used more violence.” I agree 100%.

  • Bones

    Isn’t it weird how evangelicals have made an idol from a man.

    And why? Because he lies and tells them things they like to hear.

    History repeating itself.

  • Sarah

    “The incremental mud from the convention time to November 8 changed few minds, I would say.”

    I disagree, Jay. Her numbers plummeted after the second FBI inquest into her emails.

  • Bones

    Yep out with the other haters.

  • Bones

    According to Trump now, she”s a nice lady.

  • Bones

    Wrong on both accounts.

  • Jeff Preuss

    “Especially when you have bi-racial kids as a result of that liberal illusion that we can all live together in harmony as equals.”
    A) You seem quite off-base from Ben’s life in your assumptions.
    B) We can all live in harmony as equals until someone comes along and tries to make “others” feel inferior for reasons of race, etc., as you seem to be trying to do here.
    C) Nobody is truly ‘mono-racial.’ Even those who seem for all intents and purposes to be white are mixtures of all who came before them. So, bi-racial kids are no product of “liberal illusion” – they’re just part of humanity. Won’t you please join us in the human race we’re all running?

  • SamHamilton

    I worry about that too.

  • Helen4Yemen

    “as equals”? Let me guess: you believe that you are more equal than others, right? And a reason you can give me for your feeling of superiority?

  • Jeff Preuss

    I share in this worry. Sadly, some of the side that didn’t vote for Trump escalated their frustration into violent outbursts amongst the relatively-peaceful protests, but a few groups of Trump supporters actually warned of armed insurrection in case he lost, so who knows what they’ll do if he doesn’t come through for them?

  • Sarah

    2. Many of us have been in the streets about Obama’s abysmal foreign policy. Nobody notices. But you’re right- there should have been waaaay more of us. I lost faith in the anti-GW left soon after Obama was elected. So sad.
    4. Correct. They armed Isis, and used Al Qaeda as an excuse for going into Mali and drone-bombing Yemen. The ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing. It’s always, always backfired. But still, just a (arguably worse) continuation of GW’s war of choice.

    Regarding your thanking Jesus that Trump won: you have no evidence whatsoever to think that Trump will be any better on foreign policy than the previous crew. Except perhaps his expressions of friendliness towards Putin. His volatility and hotheaded impulsiveness are reasons to worry for both domestic and foreign policy. And for those who work closest to him in service positions in the White House.

  • Helen4Yemen

    DELUSION: A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts, a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.
    ___
    The joke is on you. Trump is more liberal than conservative – I feel sorry for you that you can’t see what is unraveling in front of your own eyes. All those silly campaign promises by Trump were only meant to hoodwink those with little brain power. My condolences.

  • Nick

    Not abuse, but education. I had to tell my kids again before Halloween that there are bad people that steal kids. It wasn’t meant to be reassuring, but rather keep them safe.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Yes, I agree with your comment in its entirety.

  • Sarah

    An apropos quote from MLK Jr.:
    “If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world
    and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era
    that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man
    Jim Crow. He gave him Jim Crow. And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide,
    he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how
    bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. And he ate Jim Crow. And when his undernourished children cried out for the necessities that
    his low wages could not provide, he showed them the Jim Crow signs on
    the buses and in the stores, on the streets and in the public buildings.
    (Yes, sir) And his children, too, learned to feed upon Jim Crow, (Speak) their last outpost of psychological oblivion. ”
    -25 March 1965

    Address at the Conclusion of the Selma to Montgomery March

  • Helen4Yemen

    You are welcome

  • Ron McPherson

    Something of concern is also how haters on the fringes seem to be more emboldened in their hate based on the election results.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Do you miss apartheid?

  • Herm

    I think evangelicals have become so fixated on their battle to institute their perceived religious law into civil law that they will idolize any narcissistic authority to realize that fulfillment in conquest.

    Away with those faggots marring the good name of marriage.

    Away with the evil murdering of innocent cute, helpless babies in the womb of their breeder mother.

    And with the Roman Catholic evangelical conscience, away with those baby killing contraceptives.

    In with misogyny, white nationalism, anti-antisemitism, and the business ethics (stiff the contract and profit out of bankruptcy) balanced with the impeccable morality of Donald J. Trump.

    This may be a whole new page in history.

  • Herm

    Thank you, Sam, for your concerned perspective. Without debate in congress the executive office is crippled. President Obama’s was seriously crippled when the opposition party declared at his first inauguration that they would obstruct in unity to make him a one term president. They carried that attitude right through his second term, emboldened by the Tea Party of solidarity, as a do nothing obstructionist congress.

    If that tactic is the spirit of the conservative culture manifesting its beliefs so be it for what we sow determines what we reap. Congress has been virtually fallow for the last six years.

    Yes, I have that very real fear that Trump to Bannon has exactly the same destructive potential as Lenin to Stalin.

    You too have a good day and thank you for your opinion.

  • Herm

    That would be an incorrect assumption as congress did not hide the fact that they would turn on their own policies not to allow immigration reform to occur within an Obama administration. They would not allow it to come to the floor for debate from either side because then they were forced to vote on it.

  • Nimblewill

    There is absolutely no way that this was written by a person who remotely trusts God. I’m beginning to wonder if this is not a by-product of the progressive movement.

    28 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. 29 He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak. 30 Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; 31 but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

  • cvxxx

    Climate change is because the planet is way over populated with humans. However since population is a political,economic and military weapon it will continue among those least able to afford it. The rich get richer and the poor have children still is operant. 1st world nations are below replacement or very near it. High tech societies do not need masses of people. More and more career and steady jobs are being done by machine. Climate changes anyway. However,getting the effective birth control and abortions are feared because all traditional reasons are disappearing. People will cling to outmoded beliefs for generations until push really comes to shove.
    The panic over climate change is in the big picture unreasonable. If the population of failed states and the 3rd world would decrease then the issue would go away. We have know this since the 1970’s.

  • cvxxx

    Really? Most tribes had little concept of land ownership. They were stone age people that cam into contact with a technically and educationally superior culture. They would have been replaced one way or another.

  • philiphansten

    You make good points about population, but a climate disaster would not be limited to the 3rd world. Being concerned about the starvation or displacement of one or two billion people is not “unreasonable.”

  • Herm

    You do not know God to trust God. Dr. Corey does and so do I. We hurt no more than Jesus for what is happening.

    He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.”

    Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

    Mark 14:33-36

    And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:27

    Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

    Luke 23:34

  • Andrew

    Jesus is so far removed from your warped leftist ideology that you’d probably kill him on the spot the second he opened his mouth. You’re a teacher? Whoever made you one ought to be put away for life. No telling how many kids have fucked over having to listen to you. Of course I’m starting to think Australia as a whole might be fucked if you’re to be taken as a model. Probably Concentration Camps in the outback to take care of the people that say things that trigger you.

    “Like I said I’m glad I don’t live in such a hate-filled country like yourself which is basically a country of c*nts.”
    For people who supposedly hate Trump, you leftards sure sound like you want him to have a second term in 2020. Keep lying about fake hate crimes and calling anyone who disagrees with you a bigot or a cunt. You morons never learn.

  • otrotierra

    You’re speaking some truth!

  • otrotierra

    The story you share here is unfortunately quite common. When Jesus is removed from one’s theological worldview, all sorts of lustful idolatry becomes possible.

  • cvxxx

    Unions are a thing of the past. We are now caught up in the problem of changing economic horses in the middle of the river.
    Uncharted future that most economists did not consider.

  • cvxxx

    It is the stupidity of the last decades of PCism and the emotional weakness of young Americans. The power of SJw’s had been hurt.

  • Bones

    Not in my country….

    Corporations and big business killed off the unions and left working people with no voice at all.

  • Bones

    You have no idea who Jesus is.

    Sadly for you he was no conservative puritan who was interested in people’s sex lives.

    That was the people who killed him.

    Like you.

    You’d kill him again because you’re a hate-filled merkin.

  • Bones

    I wasn’t aware that nineteenth century racism was still rampant.

    The native Americans were not Stone Age.

    SociaI Darwinism lives on.

  • Bones

    Martin Luther King was a leftist bully and a sjw.

    No wonder the evangelicals god hates him.

  • Bones

    Yes we can see your agenda on here….

    A motley crew of gay haters, jew haters, Muslim haters and haters of anything decent such as equality or truth. False witnesses who accuse the author of child abuse.

    Keep posting.

    Each one of your hateful posts just shows how much of a complete and utter sham your religion is.

  • Sarah

    I love that guy. :) I really do hope they come up with something. We need a new worldview. Thanks for posting that- it gives me great hope.

  • Sarah

    “I love my husband, I think they are not telling the truth, but let the investigations occur objectively”.
    Please cite me one instance in all of human history where this has ever, ever been the case.

  • Sarah

    Not silent, but empathetic. And empathy doesn’t equal agreement. White voters in this country sold their brothers, sisters, and non-binaries of color, immigrants, Muslims, and other minorities down the river. They rightly feel terribly betrayed. Violence is an inevitable human reaction to such a betrayal. Not an excuse, but definitely a reason.

  • Sarah

    So how is a white woman’s campaign divisive along racial, ethnic, and gender lines if her coalition included women, black, Hispanics, millennials, and college educated voters? Seems pretty inclusive to me. trump got the non-college white males because they’re the only demographic he could fleece. Too bad there are so many of ’em. Great argument for higher education to be free or inexpensive…

  • Sarah

    Bones, it’s truly scarier than that. Check this out:
    http://harpers.org/blog/2008/06/following-up-on-the-family-six-questions-for-jeff-sharlet/
    I read Sharlet’s article in 2003 (linked in the article above), and it scared the crap out of me. I still have the hard copy of that magazine. And there’s Weinstein’s work (saw him speak in Las Vegas in 2007 or 8): http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a28759/religion-and-the-military-052214/
    This coupled with trump’s victory should turn anyone’s blood ice-cold.

  • Sarah

    Hey- what’s wrong with sodomy???

  • Sarah

    Wow. But sadly, not surprising. 15 years ago we’d all have been outraged to read that, but with the incremental chipping away of our democratic ideals since GW (prob before that), we are no longer shocked at such things.

  • Sarah
  • Sarah

    And I hold trump voters just as accountable for what happens next as hitler supporters.

  • Sarah

    Oh for chrissakes.

  • Sarah

    I love you, Ron. :)

  • Sarah

    But really it’s because republicans vowed to not let Obama get anything done while he’s in office.

  • Sarah

    And they fall for it every time. Well, I did too when I voted for Obama the first time. Not that the other guy would have been any better, tho. We have sad choices here in the US. Wish we had stronger third-party representation.

  • Bones

    The appointment of Steve Bannon means that everything coming out of the White House will be far right wing propaganda.

  • Ron McPherson

    Thanks. Love you too!

  • Jay Singh

    You make a sweeping generalization about whites, I thought it was wrong to make generalizations about an entire group. Can you give me some generalizations about blacks, muslims, and latinos? Generalizations are wrong in my view, sweeping statements about a single group. Unacceptable to me.

    Violence is not an inevitable reaction. It is a reaction of a small but vocal number within a larger group that is able to keep to peaceful protests.

    Empathy that stresses how understandable violence is amounts to tacit, if not explicit approval.

  • Matthew

    Did you find firm numbers on millenials? It´s my understanding that a lot of them supported Bernie but not really Hillary.

  • Matthew

    I´m so confused by this new administration. Trump campaigned partly on being an outsider who was going to crush the D.C. establishment. Now he´s appointing conservative D.C. insiders it seems who seem even more right wing than Trump himself.

  • Because it is divisive and not inclusive to divide the electorate with inflammatory rhetoric:
    “Trump called all immigrants rapists and murderers”; Trump hates women. He is a sexist and by the way he gropes women on planes and in hotel rooms.

    But is was rejected because Trump’s voters included all of the above groups. Trump defeated Hillary running as Obama’s successor and rejected the Progressive agenda. The Democrat party lost its hold on the working class and is now just a bi-coastal party.

  • Medusa Jordan

    Maybe not, but it certainly seems to have been connected to Trumpers and how those who voted for him have embraced every nasty meanspirited attitude and action he has advocated.
    Unfortunately those kids have learnt from their parents that it is OK, which makes it harder to stop. I have had to challenge other parents because of what they have taught their children and it is unpleasant and difficult, and not always effective.

  • Medusa Jordan

    But Dirk, if people like you did not encourage YOUR children to see bi-racial or any brown child as different they wouldn’t do it. Children actually DO NOT see those differences until they are about 4, and then when they become aware their questions very much reflect the environment in which they live. Hint: those brought up in a ‘liberal’ environment do not have questions based on negativity and fear.

  • Bones

    Bahaha. Trump lied all through the campaign.

    I mean some of it was outrageous and designed to stir up the nutters like you.

  • Seems like it stirred you up. So does that make you a “nutter”?

  • Herm

    Thank you Sarah.

    I really wish we could actually find some comfort from our anxiety for the condition of mankind by placing blame. If hanging naked on their cross, how would the disciples of Christ in Christ and Christ in them bid those below, those winners dividing up their last coverings of mortal modesty and comfort by casting lots, adieu?

    I keep having, over and over and over again, this feeling and thought of what could and should I have said and/or done to have educated those who voted to crucify all the constructive and progressive efforts of the first black president rather than build on them by supporting the first woman president of the United States of America, especially those who voted for the last president twice but didn’t this election?

    We are all accountable when we choose to heal the whole rather than just me and mine. The mortal spoils of this election go to the spirit of just me and mine. The spiritual rewards go to God who loves us all.

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Matthew 5:43-48

    I love you Sarah as one of us who hurts today for the whole of Man. I hope you have the peace and joy to know this is but a serious “owie” moment in the temporal history of the children of Man measured against a future without end for all the children of God.

  • SamHamilton

    I’m glad you’ve spoken to parents. That probably took courage. Thank you.

    As to the impetus of the school kids, it could be they’ve absorbed the rhetoric of the campaign, but more likely they’re just being mean kids. Kids who want to be mean will find all sorts of ways to do that.

  • Jeff Preuss

    I’ve tried to type a number of responses, but honestly am at a loss for what can be said at this point. He’s appointing nationalists and known anti-gay personnel (which delights some of his contingent) yet is engaging with establishment lobbyists (which he said he wouldn’t do, so…he might be upsetting some supporters now?) and saying he won’t attempt to overturn Obergefell.

    I mean, no candidate can ever deliver on everything they suggest or promise on the campaign trail, but much of what Trump promised seemed so over-the-top that any actual implementation of said ideas might be impossible.

    At this point, I don’t have any idea what he’ll actually do, and I suspect neither do his supporters. As I said earlier, though I have my serious doubts about him, I do hope he proves me wrong.

  • SamHamilton

    Are you saying that if an “enforcement only” bill that actually brought about stricter immigration enforcement was brought up for a vote that the Members of Congress that support stricter immigration enforcement would vote against it just to spite President Obama?

  • Nimblewill

    I’m not sure I understand your scripture references. What do they have to do with fretting over election results? Four times in the Gospels Jesus chastised His disciples for not trusting Him.Oh ye of little faith. Scripture teaches us over and over that God places those in power whom He deems fit. Not one of those times did He chastise them for not grieving over election results.

    If anything hurts the heart of Jesus it’s that His church is divided over political issues.

    …………and there is a huge difference between telling someone that they are not trusting God and telling them that they do not know God. Study what Jesus said about calling someone Raca!

  • SamHamilton

    I’ve thought all along that the guy has no principles other than “what’s best for me” and that we’d have to wait and see when it comes to actual policy. Trump will be bringing in people with all sorts of perspectives (just like most Presidents) in order to appease various interests that helped him get elected. His temperament greatly concerns me, but he’s going to be constrained by other political actors, the institutions he has to work with and within, the media, etc. People running around with their hair on fire as if we’ve just elected Hitler need to chill. As I said here back in the spring, Trump’s more Berlusconi than any other recent leader.

  • Herm

    No Sam, the Republican Speaker of the House for almost six year now did not bring any immigration reform to the floor for fear Republicans would break ranks and some would vote in some form of immigration reform and President Obama would get credit. An enforcement only bill, without humanitarian considerations, would have gone down in flames due to immediate constituent backlash.

  • SamHamilton

    I think the Speakers were more concerned about backlash within their own party rather than President Obama getting credit. Speakers Boehner or Ryan was/are in a delicate place to begin with without bringing up the “comprehensive” immigration bill that a majority of their caucus would oppose (but would probably have passed with Democrats and some Republican support).

  • cvxxx

    Trump is change that is needed. It is the Democrats that hurl surface insults. Sexism? He is male and heterosexual which is a PC crime. He does not worship women. There was no hate it was a carefully marketed campaign that had nothing but air. If people researched deeper they would see a very different view. People let the media tell them what to think. I am for freedom and anti PC. George Orwell was right but not in the way he envisioned. Big brother is watching and wields financial power.
    Trump shattered the tyranny of PC.

  • cvxxx

    Why are you living in a no go neighborhood?

  • cvxxx

    Social Darwinism is here and always has been. In the AI future it will be even more apparent. The defeat of the lies of PC is a start to seeing reality.

  • Nimblewill

    I read this today, “the only democratic election portrayed in the Gospels is when we choose Barrabbas over Jesus.”

  • Nimblewill

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2016/11/15/what-every-church-needs-to-hear/?ref_widget=related&ref_blog=jesuscreed&ref_post=the-day-the-revolution-began

    The first Christians knew, as a fundamental of their faith, what we so often do not. They knew as basic correlative to their confession that Rome was not the Kingdom.
    And knowing that Rome was not the Kingdom, the first Christians knew better than we that the politics made available to them by Rome were not God’s politics.
    But rather in world captive to the politics called empire, God had taken flesh and sent his Spirit in order to make a different politics possible- the politics we call Church.
    The Church doesn’t have politics; as Stanley Hauerwas says, the Church is a politics.

  • Herm

    Yes that was a dynamic, also. Republicans, only within the last decade, have had to consider being “primaried”. This due in large part by the NRA lobby, Grover Norquist and the rigidity of the Tea Party. Mr. Trump went right around that partisan stigma by building his own base within the GOP label.

  • Ron McPherson

    I’m wondering if maybe you may be misunderstanding Ben’s post. Of all people who understands that Jesus’ kingdom is not of this world it is Ben, who has been ripped at times because of it. The sense I get from his post here is not that he placed his hopes in a political messiah to somehow rescue America. Instead, he is grieving over what America has become in that real and serious ramifications have resulted from the results of this election. I’ve read Ben’s blog now for a couple of years and he interprets pretty much everything through the lens of Jesus’ teaching. While some may disagree with his interpretation, no one can claim with any legitimacy that he doesn’t strive to live out the teachings of Christ. So I believe his post here came from the heart of a dad with very genuine concerns about the welfare of others, particularly his own child. I don’t equate his concerns to a lack of faith.

  • Herm

    I do not call anyone a fool for that implies that they know that their choice of action (or inaction) will not be the result they intended . Ignorant yes for we are all knowingly ignorant because we know there is potentially infinite more to yet learn. Ignorance by definition says we don’t know what we don’t know, such as in Luke 23:34. By the fruit you offer here I cannot believe, based on my active relationship in and with God, that you actually know God. That is not flaunting but is drawing attention to something or someone you don’t know.

    Ask your self if you know God this way:

    “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

    John 14:15-21

    Is the other Advocate (the Dove) in you fully (baptized) that you know you are in Jesus and Jesus is in you? Do you see and know the Spirit of truth one in One?

  • Herm

    Very, very true and think what the result of more than three years of Jesus teaching in touch with the Dove (which has influentially lasted nearly 2,000 years) would have helped mankind if the election had gone the other way?!?!

    My point that I feel and know to be true is our choices have very real consequences that God will not intervene to make them all pretty, warm and fuzzy again. Ask those who didn’t survive Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ask those who survived to grieve.

    God’s soul may be overwhelmed to the point of death with what is happening today but the only intervention will be on the cross by the choice of Man.

  • Nimblewill

    It is very possible that I did misunderstand. I apologize for any consternation that I may have stirred up. I read Dr. Corey’s blog regularly because he does make me think. I tend to get a little defensive. Thanks for clearing this up. I will take time to re-read this through the lens you have presented. I simply see too many Christians wringing their hands over our futures, yet we teach that come what may our futures are secure. Its time our lives lined up with our beliefs.

  • Bones

    Yeah…we saw it in nazi Germany. ..not much different to the racial rubbish you’really spouting.

  • Bones

    Who’should the one who spends his time in blogs of people he hates.

    That”s you dude.

    The ultimate liar and false witness.

    Of course trump would be your messiah.

  • Bones

    Trump campaigned on outright lies…

    Which evangelicals lapped up like a dog to its vomit.

  • cvxxx

    No you did not. The Nazi party was a big bluff. Social Darwinism is that some people with a set of skills will succeed beyond that of their fellows has nothing to do with biological evolution.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest

  • Vanessa Elias

    KKK donated $20,000 to Hillary’s – Grand Dragon Wiggs

  • Vanessa Elias

    According to Grand Dragon Wiggs, the KKK donated $20,000 to Hillary. So, I think they are not really supporting Trump and are only saying whatever Hillary and Soros telling them to.

  • Vanessa Elias

    Grand Dragon, Wiggs and the KKK donated $20,000 to Hillary, so…

  • Wendy Cameron

    It really isn’t a PC crime to be male and heterosexual….it is a crime to assault women and I didn’t need the media to tell that what Trump said he did (if he wasn’t lying about doing it) is sexual assault. Contrary to popular belief amongst the right, many people can come to conclusions about Trump’s words without the media telling us what they mean.

    There is no trying to discuss with someone who voted for and supports Trump. Trump is change, I suspect change in the wrong direction and at some point his followers will realize he fooled them.

    If you really don’t think he is sexist or racist or homophobic or xenophobic then these have nothing to do with why you likely voted for him. I expect when he behaves in any way resembling someone who is, you will be the first to leap up and condemn such behaviour. I expect that you are already protesting his appointment of a white supremacist to his team.

  • Herm

    You really don’t understand politically correct if you describe it as a tyranny. Here are few synonyms: unoffensive, nondiscriminatory, unbiased, neutral, appropriate, nonpartisan. PC is a social mechanism of make nice so we can talk without unnecessary walls of offensive bigotry. Neither you nor the media (which media???) tell me what to think. There is absolutely nothing about political correctness that defines male and heterosexual as a crime.

    If you believe Steve Bannon’s offensive, discriminatory, biased, far-alt-right, inappropriate, partisan rag Breitbart News is not media and is nothing but hot air, not so strangely resembling for the past five years Trump’s platform beginning with birtherism, you are no way near the fretful, unique, scholarly individual who is constantly prepared to bargain systematically with himself and his surroundings that you pretend to be. You are simply not playing with a full deck while simultaneously unable to get your head out of the sand.

  • Snooterpoot

    And you voted for a misogynist, racist, xenophobic, narcissist so I guess that makes you superior.

  • Sarah

    What is an SJW?

  • Sarah

    Frightening. And Orwellian.

  • Sarah

    Ah. You’re upset because Hillary’s campaign called him out on his indiscretions. That’s not “divisive”. Unless you’re referring to dividing the people who think trump’s rhetoric and actions are a-ok from people who don’t. Otherwise, it’s just observational and informative.

  • Sarah

    :) Sweet Herm, I can hold them accountable while still loving them. They voted out of fear, mostly. And Jim Crow isn’t assuaging that fear, even though they keep eating it in hopes that it will. What will assuage it is education. People need to understand the consequences of actions taken in the past as potential consequences of actions taken today.

  • cvxxx

    I understand it very well. Those synonyms are lies covering up the the real reason for controlling the populace through terror. A more subtle terror striking at individual economics. Among other methods the were perfected by the Stasi and Soviet internal security.

    Your criticism is unjustified by the facts of the enforcement of silencing those who objected or have a different pint of view. Bringing feelings out into the open cleanses. PC was designed to encourage the social media mob to enforce since the targets can’t fight back.

    Get out of the ivory tower ideas and deal with the reality. The media lies. They are interested in profit. Even when it results in inaccurate perceptions or is influenced by the elite to control the dialogue.

    Free societies mean disagreement and sometimes the bigotry is warranted. When people are punished for not conforming politically it is no different than Orwell predicted. PC is a control mechanism. This is hardly the first time doublespeak has been used.
    your personal comments are way out of line as you do not know me at all. Never met me. never had a face to face dialogue. That is what PC does. It closes off dissent.

    It is a Barney(the dinosaur) philosophy. If people spook at shadow it is their issue. Fear is such a tool.

  • Sarah

    Interesting news today about how Eliot Cohen (former Bush official) was warning republicans to not join trump’s cabinet.

  • Sarah
  • cvxxx

    Sexist is being verbally heterosexual. Racist is internet and excusing racism from so called minority member against “white oppression” that does not exist is a vacuum. The real target was those minority “members” who were achieving (middle class)and were not with the BLM’s ideals.
    The British in 1676 brought that back after Bacon’s rebellion drove the British governor out of Virginia. No I am not protesting anything. I will let it play out. I expect the precariat to have a greater impact. Wrong labels are easy to apply. of course it is also the foolishness of applying 2016 values to decades and centuries past. Forgetting there were valid reasoning then which is not valid now.
    The base economics are changing rapidly. Technology and the laws and customs are not moving in unison. We in the 1st world are moving to an AI based automated manufacturing and the tax system is not designed for that. The old system was based of individual income. That time is shrinking. Up front racism is much easier to deal with than knife in the back racism.
    Trump is right to be very wary of people who want to destroy the Western secularism and replace it with the control of Sharia. Our government is lax. European government are not places of free speech.
    The governments there and here want to silence any voice they do not like or refuses to follow along with the government position.
    It was not that long ago Europe was in the throws of religious conflict. Only a few decades about the fear of a Catholic president.
    Right now the reign of unreasoned fear is upon us. The mind can do imaginations of a worst case scenario. As an example romance scams where people who have never meet fall “in love” with a person over the internet. That person does not exist. But to the victim they are as real as breakfast.

  • Sarah
  • Bones

    A social justice warrior.

    Apparently jesus hates them and they are the biggest evil in the world because they try to stop people being mean to others.

    You know people like MLK and Desmond Tutu….

    Jesus prefers Trump ….

  • Sarah

    “Trump isn’t racist and neither are his supporters.”

    Racist supporters:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqLfkoiLxZA
    https://youtu.be/AdQIYjf-f2A

  • Bones

    Racist much????

    Next you’ll be saying how superior the white man is over the black man.

    But this trumps america.

  • Sarah

    Thanks- I’ve seen that acronym several times in this discussion and was clueless. :)

  • cvxxx

    Failed word history. Strange a group of women forced the Nazi party to back down.

  • Matthew

    This is all so sad really. Yesterday I saw some of the headlines from this media company Bannon is the head of. Rough stuff.

  • Matthew

    Me too!

  • Matthew

    I just read an article that said the U.S. has abdicated its role as leader of the west with the election of Trump.

    Who should lead now?

  • Bones

    Just look at the hate on this thread….

  • Bones

    Jeff, he will make all your dreams come true……

  • Bones

    I agree….but then I don’t live over there…..

    Trump would just be an isolated fringe loon in my country….

  • Bones

    Trump is a neolib….as are his policies…..

    The fallacy is that Trump is an outsider…..

  • Bones

    Herm….I consider you a white Jesus…..

  • Bones

    Some people need to just sod off..

    But true Sodomy of the Bible and of Judaism was greed and victimising of those who are foreign….

    Somehow Christians turned it onto bum sex….

  • Bones

    Failed world history……Shame about the other 6 million…..

    “Rosenstrasse represents the little-attended-to story of the German women who rescued their husbands from deportation and death in early 1943. Swept up from their forced labor jobs in what was meant to be the Final Roundup in the national capital, 1700-2000 Jews, mostly men married to non-Jewish women, were separated from the 6000 other victims of the Gestapo and SS and herded into Rosenstrass e 2-4, a welfare office for the Jewish community in central Berlin. Because these Jews had German relatives, many of them highly connected, Adolf Eichmann hoped that segregating them from the others would convince family members that their loved ones were being sent to labor camps rather than to more ominous destinations in occupied Poland.

    Normally, those arrested remained in custody for two days before being loaded onto trains for the East. Before that could happen in this case, however, wives and other relatives got wind of what was happening and appeared at the Rosenstrasse address, first in ones and twos, and then in ever-growing numbers. Perhaps as many as six thousand participated in the protest, although not all at the same time. Women demanded back their husbands, day after day, for a week. Unarmed, unorganized, and leaderless, they faced down the most brutal forces at the disposal of the Third Reich.

    Goebbels, Gauleiter of Berlin and anxious to have it racially cleansed, was also in charge of the nation’s public morale. On both counts he was worried about the possible repercussions of the women’s actions. Rather than inviting more open dissent by shooting the women down in the streets and fearful of jeopardizing the secrecy of the Final Solution, Goebbels with Hitler’s concurrence released the Rosenstrasse prisoners and also ordered the return of twenty-five of them already sent to Auschwitz. To both men, the decision was a mere postponement of the inevitable.

    But they were mistaken. Almost all of those released survived the war. The women won an astonishing victory over the forces of destruction..”

    https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/rosenstr.htm

  • Bones

    Just think how much welfare Evangelicals are saving and lazy bludgers born into poor families who won’t be robbing you…

  • Bones

    It makes me glad to live in the country I’m in…..

  • Bones

    People in Wisconsin weren’t voting for Trump because you want to hate on others…..

    It’s funny that the sfws think they have won…..

  • Bones

    Yeah, I needed you with me telling me not to put my mother to sleep after months of living on a machine.

    How about you go f*ck off.

  • Bones

    PC is the other acronym – political correctness….

    It really means stop trying to present facts when we lie about large and broad sections of the community to suit our bigotry….

  • Bones

    PC is the other acronym – political correctness…….

    It really means stop trying to present facts when we lie about large and broad sections of the community to suit our bigotry….

  • Bones

    So the Evangelicals have made an idol of Trump…..

    If we don’t learn from history we are doomed to repeat it….

    To many conservative Protestants, liberalism, pluralism, socialism, and secularism were destroying Germany. …….

    because of their strong convictions about the complementary roles of church and state, as well as about authority and basic Christian morality, they (sic – conservative Protestant clergy) actively supported Hitler. They believed his rhetoric that he would restore Germany to its national glory and Christian foundations. As Bishop Hans Meiser (one of Germany’s leading churchmen, later a signer of the Barmen Declaration and a prominent leader in the Confessing Church movement) declared in a proclamation to be read from all Bavarian pulpits on Easter Sunday, 1933:

    A state which brings into being again government according to God’s Laws should, in doing so, be assured not only of the applause but also of the glad and active cooperation of the Church. With gratitude and joy the Church takes note that the new state bans blasphemy, assails immorality, and establishes discipline and order, with a strong hand, while at the same time calling upon man to fear God, espousing the sanctity of marriage and Christian training for the young, bringing into honor again the deeds of our fathers and kindling in thousands of hearts, in place of disparagement, an ardent love of Volk and Fatherland.

    http://www.patheos.com/Evangelical/Why-Did-German-Matthew-Tuininga-04-16-2013?offset=2&max=1

  • Bones

    With the far right Breitbart guy in charge, you could just imagine the propaganda that’s going to come out of the white House…It’ll make Bush’s lies about Iraq look like the Socialist Front.

    I’ve always thought Canada was more progressive than the USA and probably more like Australia…..

  • No. I am elated because the people finally stood up and said Enough! Enough dirty tricks and lies. We won and have buried the Progressive Movement for many years.

    For example;
    Hillary’s campaign paid for the disruptors to start fights at Trump rallies so they could then criticize Trump as endorsing violence. Bless you Wikileaks.

    CNN leaked debate questions to Hillary’s campaign through Donna Brazil and Hillary accepted them without reporting the cheating. But cheaters never win. Thanks you Wikileaks.

    The Democrat Party actively worked against Bernie to defeat him and nominate Hillary. Then they wanted his supporters rally behind their nominee Hillary.

    But worse they found 11 women to come forward and try to destroy Trump with phony stories. This was evil and divisive to the extreme.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Yep. Of course some media are trying to normalize Bannon by saying his purported racism is not quite so clear. However, even if he allowed Breitbart to become what it did just for financial gain, does that make it any better? My wager is no.

  • JD

    “The Trump era of freedom has begun.”

    And what do you think this era will look like?

  • Dirk Niemand

    I expect that government employees will actually start earning their salaries by working and not multiplying, minorities will have to get off their ass and start working instead of getting free handouts, I expect the national debt to be reduced, business to improve with less red tape, but most of all, I expect freedom from the liberal thought police.
    If I own a bakery and I don’t want to make a wedding cake for gays, that is my choice, not theirs. If they don’t like it, go to another baker. If my church/employment/club decides not to install transgender toilets, that is our choice not theirs. If they don’t like it, go somewhere else.

    Up until now those liberal thugs forced the majority to bend to the likes and dislikes of a small twisted minority. So long as some insignificant minority got their way, everything was swell, never mind how the majority felt about. Well the majority have had enough, we are not going to bend no more.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Yet every liberal website is awash with questions founded on fear and negativity, did you not read the article above as a case in point.

    It is amazing as you just proved, that you liberals will say anything to fit in with your own narrative, reality be damned.
    I would say that those protest marches are born out of negativity and fear, not to mention anarchism and a typical third world mentality, proof enough that Trump is our only hope.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Civilization. The three markers are 1) the ability to invent something that never existed before. 2) the ability for others to take that invention and expand upon it by using it to further other inventions. 3) the ability of the majority of that culture to maintain and sustain those inventions.

    Some cultures just don’t have this ability to be civilized. Unlike you, I don’t excuse their inability by saying it is because they lack education, lack prospects, lack finances, lack whatever. I call it as I see, they have an inability for civilization and that is why multi-culturism, globalization, quota systems, etc. were doomed to fail.

    Now you can run around crying that we are all equal, hell, you may even have been brainwashed to believe that, but 5000 years of recorded history proves that some cultures have the ability to be civilized and always will, and some do not and never will, that is the reality of the situation.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Trump is doing exactly as we hoped he would, that is why we voted for him. He is strengthening the conservative camp.

  • Herm

    Well that should bring out the Pharisees, thanks! Your consideration of me as any form of a “little Jesus” in the Spirit is nice but now as thrown me into the most populated demographic for pollsters; other.

  • Dirk Niemand

    From your lips to God’s ears.

  • Herm

    … from God’s heart in my heart.

  • Herm

    Thank you Sarah! You pretty much summed up my whole amateur impetus today: to point to the one Teacher who can educate to in everything do to others as we would have others do to us. The consequences of pain and needless death diminish on earth as it is in heaven to zero when all are educated in this truth.

  • Matthew

    I thought you wanted something entirely new in D.C., not the strengthening of the old guard?

  • Dirk Niemand

    Dear Bones, you do not know what my religion is, if any, to make such a statement that my religion is a sham. Perhaps I am Ayrian Nation.

    Although I never accused the author of child abuse, it is possible to make such a case. After all, purposefully placing a child in harms way is a crime.
    America with its racial tensions, racial intolerance, racial discriminations, etc. is a country where it can be argued, that for a white man or women to purposefully and with intent bring a bi-racial child into the world in such a racially charged country, constitutes child endangerment.
    Sadly Benjamin’s post of fear for his bi-racial daughter seems to support this exact conclusion.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Seeing as how you claim Trump is a liberal, I can assume that you voted for him?

  • Dirk Niemand

    As mentioned, what has my religion to do with this if I am using logic and not religion as the bases of my arguments?
    Clearly you have a hang up with religion, as do many liberals, which is why I am going with rational logic and empirical facts and not the Bible.

  • Jeff Preuss

    In fact, a friend of mine who is an Episcopal priest is very vocal about his concerns over this, and all the recent assaults and threats and stuff, and he’s being accused of divisive partisan rhetoric. Instead of comments of “Wow, you’re right. This Bannon guy is awful, and shouldn’t be in the White House,” he’s getting “We don’t know that he is racist. Where’s the proof?” (Similarly, these are the people questioning the hate incidents…)

  • Jeff Preuss

    Did you actually vote for him? I mean, I’m getting a strong South African vibe from your comments, so color me skeptical.

  • Jeff Preuss

    “I call it as I see, they have an inability for civilization”

    Interestingly, I call it as I see it, as well, and you clearly lack the ability of civilization.

    White supremacy is a fallacy.

    Edit to correct a misspelling.

  • Matthew

    I’m thinking Jeremiah 29 as I consider all that happened with this election.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Sadly as a Hillary supporter, you have no knowledge of Jesus or the Bible.
    Proof:- have a look around you as to whom you are standing with in your support for Hillary.
    -Homosexuals which the Bible calls an abomination.
    -Pro-choice whom the Bible calls murderers.
    -Transgendered whom the Bible calls reprobates.
    -Politicians who have ignored their own for the sake of others, whom the Bible calls infidels.
    -Atheist who deny God, whom the Bible calls fools.

    I see you standing with abominations, murderers, reprobates, infidels, fools, whoremongers, fornicators, lies, cheats and every evil and vile thing under the sun, and you, whilst standing in the midst of your slime pit from hell, have the audacity to tell me that I associate with demons?

    When you find yourself caught up in a herd of stampeding animals, you have no choice but to go where they go. In your case you are standing in the midst of a herd heading straight to hell, and that is where you will end up. But perhaps the reason you feel so comfortable in that hell bound herd, is because the truth of the matter is, you are one of them. Making their stench of sin, greed and lust unoffensive to you. But it sure is offensive to God.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Good for you, wise choice.
    Ask yourself which of the two, God or satan, would be most pleased with the following:- murder, sexual perversion, destruction of religion, homosexuality, abortions, drugs, increased debt, divorce, etc. Everything Hillary’s campaign was promoting, straight from the pits of hell.
    I would call that satanic.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Is that what your crystal ball told you, that I lack an ability for civilization? Or are you just demonstrating the typical liberal mindset, make assumptions and conclusions with no facts on hand?
    And you wonder why I ridicule liberals. Pompous pricks.

    If white supremacy is a fallacy, then whats got you guys all running scared?

  • Dirk Niemand

    It was called segregation in America.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Then practice what you preach and stop defending that which God finds abominable.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Well, wherever it was, it was wrong. And you’re not getting it back in the US.

  • Dirk Niemand

    I wonder why?

  • Jeff Preuss

    No crystal ball. You aren’t being terribly cilivized. Fact on hand.

    Scared? I am hardly scared of the likes of you.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Gee, the Burgers flag in your profile pic, the use of what looked like Dutch or Afrikaans in another comment. And, your apparent love of Apartheid.

    Those certainly seem to piece together into a bigger picture of you.

  • Dirk Niemand

    That’s not why Evangelicals voted for Trump. They voted to keep Hillary out of the White House. We have seen what a liberal government means for the rights of Christians, and there was no ways that liberals were getting in again.
    Hopefully, never ever again.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Only if you come out from among them and be ye separate. So long as you insist on associating with the ungodly and supporting and defending that which God hates, you have no heart for God. If you did you would abhor the evil that they represent.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Hitler was a liberal, stood for a socialist government. Bernie is closer to that than Trump, and Hillary is certainly that.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Your world is disappearing, and I am sure that is terrifying. I pity you.

    May you find peace. God bless.

  • Dirk Niemand

    When you’re as ignorant of the Bible as you demonstrate you are, it would be best to just keep your mouth shut regarding biblical matters.

  • Matthew

    You should block this guy Jeff. Where’s the moderation been lately around here?

  • Dirk Niemand

    That’s just liberal propaganda. None of it is true.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Oh, I just did. He won’t hear anything that doesn’t align with his rhetoric, so leave him to go on his way.

    And I’ve lived around a multitude of races and religions all my life, and still believe in equality across those divisions. Anything else doesn’t line up with the message of salvation for all in Jesus.

    He came to break barriers, not build them.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Additionally, to the moderation…I have noticed an extreme uptick in hateful back-and-forth on every place I visit. Definitely some anger and inappropriate behavior on all sides, but an overwhelming swell on the alt-right front.

    I don’t even know how one would effectively moderate any of it right now in all that heated conversation.

  • Dirk Niemand

    1400 years of Muslims massacring Christians, and still doing it, are proof enough. Do you think the Middle East, the Balkans and North Africa, which all used to be Christian countries, became Muslim countries through democratic means?
    No, it was peaceful Christians who were overrun by bloodthirsty fanatical Muslims, who forced everyone to convert or die. Muslims did the same thing in India, Indonesia and are still doing it today, Isis is proof of that.

  • Sherlang

    Trump is not the lesser of two evils…he’s just as bad. The irony is that you will probably say “but God can use trump!” but not extend that same grace to Hillary

  • Helen4Yemen

    Will you accept the following as part of “Western Civilization’?

    1- Bloody conquest by white Europeans of lands belonging to people of color: North America, Australia, New Zealand – and the annihilation of the native peoples?

    2- The capture of African slaves to develop the lands the white man stole from native peoples?

    3- The use of advanced technology to perform genocide as in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    4- Laws enacted by the white man that clearly state that dark skinned human beings are lesser beings and not to mix with whites and could not use the same schools, restaurants, drinking fountains?

    5- The total destruction of nations such as Iraq for no reason at all except “Western civilization” felt like having fun and experimenting with newly developed artillery to value their effectiveness.

    7- “Western civilization” will travel thousands of miles to murder millions of people if they stood in the way of it acquiring the resources of “less-civilized” nations such as Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, Korea … and many more?

  • Dirk Niemand

    It is amazing how many liberals who claim to believe in Darwinism, refuse to accept what you have stated above.
    It is the natural law of survival, the strong will always thrive and prosper and the weak will always suffer and perish.

  • Helen4Yemen

    You mean the law of the jungle?

  • Dirk Niemand

    Nazi Germany is an example of what happens when socialism comes to power, and Stalin is an example of what happens when atheists come to power. Hence neither Bernie nor Hillary got elected. We have learnt from history, can’t say the same about you liberal folks.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Your lack of education, knowledge is showing in your writing. Can you tell me what % of the ME was Christian at its highest level and when?

  • cvxxx

    An example of a very good reason to be an armed citizenry and to respect the constitution.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Seems that Amalekites stuff was a once off deal, otherwise there would be no Palestinians to worry about.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Seriously, you are comparing Uganda with America? Please compare apples with apples. Typical leftist propaganda. Which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

  • Dirk Niemand

    What you are saying is illogical. If making abortion legal in a country results in fewer abortions per year, then by default there must be more live births in that country.

    And visa versa, if making abortions illegal in a country results in more abortions per year, as you claim, then the live birth rate in the anti-abortion countries must be lower.

    Simple logic.

    Fewer abortions = more live births.
    More abortions = fewer live births.

    Yet in the countries you have mentioned, it seems as if their anti-abortion policies are resulting in a high number of live births than in the countries that permit abortions, which demonstrate a lower birth rate. This is across the board. Countries where abortion is illegal, have higher birth rates than similar countries that practice abortion.

    How do you explain this, if making abortion illegal results in more abortions and not fewer abortions?

    The only possible explanation is that your figures regarded the number of abortions are incorrect.

    After all, its easy to fudge how many abortions take place, especially in countries where its illegal and done in secret, than what it is to fudge how many babies are being born.

    And you liberals claim to be educated.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Strange you call Trump a Jew hater when Israel is one of the countries that was majority pro Trump. Public celebrations were held in Israel when Trump was elected.

  • cvxxx

    This is where you must look in the mirror. Where did ever promote hate? Does not exist. What some cannot fathom is what fear does to the mind. The mind’s imagination brings forth all sorts of fear images. We often have fear thoughts if we are waiting for the children to come home and they are late the mind starts giving us scenes of harm. Yes,there are people who will use the lifting of censorship to use the new freedom unwisely.
    There is classism,colorism and all sorts of dysfunctional labels. That is a problem with labeling people The person doing the labeling wants to influence the thinking of others. That is to defame and libel to person they disagree with.
    The people in Wisconsin and Detroit were by the interviews I saw ,were about change. The vast majority wanted change and that their lives would become better.
    Now you while looking into the mirror ask your self why are you doing what you oppose?

  • Dirk Niemand

    What you are saying is illogical. If making abortion legal in a country results in fewer abortions per year, then by default there must be more live births in that country.

    And visa versa, if making abortions illegal in a country results in more abortions per year, as you claim, then the live birth rate in the anti-abortion countries must be lower.

    Simple logic.
    Fewer abortions = more live births.
    More abortions = fewer live births.

    Yet in the countries you have mentioned, it seems as if their anti-abortion policies are resulting in a high number of live births than in the countries that permit abortions, which demonstrate a lower birth rate.
    This is across the board. Countries where abortion is illegal, have higher birth rates than similar countries that practice abortion.

    How do you explain this, if making abortion illegal results in more abortions and not fewer abortions?

    The only possible explanation is that your figures regarded the number of abortions are incorrect.

    After all, its easy to fudge how many abortions take place, especially in countries where its illegal and done in secret, than what it is to fudge how many babies are being born.

    And you liberals claim to be educated.

  • JD

    Ah, so you want legalized discrimination against anyone you dont like.

    Good luck, bub.

  • Matthew

    I live in a dream world Jeff Preuss.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Share that dream with others. It’s the only way to make it reality.

  • Matthew

    Since the election happened, I see little chance of really bringing all sides together. So much hatred.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Get yourself an education, go read up about the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire). From the fourth century until those Muslims poured out of Arabia in the eighth century, Christianity was the state religion of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Albania, Bosnia, etc. Up to 90% of the inhabitants were Christian in most places.

    North Africa, stretching from Ethiopia and Egypt to Morocco and Algeria, was under the Western Roman Empire where Christianity was also the state religion.

    Had it not been for the pacifistic attitude of the Christians, love your enemy and all that, those Muslims would never have spread out from Arabia and would still be cornered today in Saudi Arabia.
    Sadly by the time the church grew a pair a couple of hundred years later, around the tenth century, and countered the Muslim invasion with the Crusades, it was already too late, most of southern and eastern Christendom had been overrun.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Well done, you are certainly more knowledgeable than most. I’m surprised you left out my surname. I thought that was a dead give away.

    Well there is nothing like an ex-pat who believes an uncontrolled minority group (the American definition for non-white), destroyed not only the richest country in Africa, but every other country as well where they gained control. I believe history records this as fact.

    Surprising then isn’t it, that the so called educated, the liberals, are so willing to hand America over to these minorities, who having laid waste to their own countries are turning to America like a horde of locusts.
    Destroyers that Hillary promised to bring to America in their millions and all the liberals said horaah. How crazy is that?
    Under Hillary, America would have ended up like Zimbabwe, America was already heading in this direction under Obama. Thank God he is out. What a disaster he was.

  • Jeff Preuss

    So, focus on what you can that is positive and rewarding. I choose to focus on creating and appreciating art, and my faith.

    Last night, for example, a (black) friend of mine was having a CD release party/show for a truly impressive creative output of his. The show production involved people of multiple ethnicities (some friends who worked on it were Cambodian, Chinese, and Ecuadoran, and Caucasian) and the audience reflected that as well.

    The music show had rock and funk influences, included harps and a Joni Mitchell cover, and was a whirling display of light, sound and taste (there were cupcakes), enjoyed by everyone in attendance.

    Though there was no religious slant to the event, last night a microcosm of the world co-existed peacefully and marvelled in the moment of creation of something kinda magical.

    My friend was able to instill joy in his large crowd, for but a brief moment. If all we can do is instill joy for moments at a time, then that’s what we should do. It’s the only thing that really combats hatred anyway.

  • cvxxx

    Think of the tax saving of at least 2 billion dollars per year. Think of the hypocrisy of encouraging unfunded,unwanted pregnancies then whining about welfare.

  • cvxxx

    It is dangerous to assume personal history is the same. In truth you know the surface.

  • Dirk Niemand

    I have noticed it too. What it indicates is that the time when you liberals silence us is over.
    Take your and Matthews recent comments as proof.
    Just silence everyone who doesn’t buy into the liberal narrative under the guise of moderation. Censorship by any other name.

    If you guys are as smart as you think you are, then prove that what I say is factually wrong.
    As a scientist I have no interest in whether you think it is emotionally or morally wrong. Those are emotions and opinions, not empirical facts, and as such are worthless in the scientific world.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Ok, have had enough of your nonsense, please unfollow.

  • Ron McPherson

    Uh, wait a minute. You realize Jesus wasn’t white, right?

  • Ron McPherson

    You mean these?
    “These six things the Lord hates, yes seven are an abomination to him. A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.” Proverbs 6:16-19

  • Ron McPherson

    Have you ever read the gospels lol?

  • Ron McPherson

    Just oozing Jesus

  • Ron McPherson

    “He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.””
    ‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:9-14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

  • Sarah

    Like Pauline Hanson?

  • Sarah

    Wow- never knew that. Gives a me whole new perspective on “up yours!”

  • Sarah

    [Pardon me, Bones- can you tell me what a SFW is? lol]

  • Dirk Niemand

    Your points. I’m sorry, but as a scientist I am no more emotionally horrified by what you wrote than a doctor would be of you describing a beheading. So while you hoped to elicit an emotional horrified response from me, I’m sorry, all you are going to get is rationale and logic.

    1) this is a racist statement. They were not attacked because they were non-white, they were attacked because they were weak militarily and could not defend their domain.
    I notice you left out the Greek, Roman, Viking, etc. raids and conquests. Is that because they were white on white?
    Eventually those white on white conquests expanded across the world to where it became white on non-white conquests, nothing personal, just they way things are. And one day when we enter into space, it will be white on alien.

    2) the Africans were captured by their fellow Africans and sold to the white man. Consider this, if those captured Africans had not been bought and brought to America, what would have happened to them? Perhaps killed or eaten by their black African captors? Basically every current black African American would never have been born without the slave trade, for their captured ancestor back in Africa would have never lived long enough to produce any children, which means they would never have been born.

    3) as my dear mother always used to say, all is fair in love and war. What outcome did the Japanese envisage when they attacked Pearl Harbor? I assume not two atom bombs, but that was the outcome. That is what comes from war, death and destruction, deal with it.

    4) 5) 7) – A dominant species gets to set and determine the boundaries and conditions within its territory. The weaker species within that territory either gets with the program or gets killed. That is the natural law that is equally applicable for animals as for humans.
    This is what you are describing in the above examples, the natural law, of survival of the fittest, in action. A law which no Darwinist or evolutionist will or can deny, where the most powerful race in a given territory dominants the weaker races.

    It is religion that teaches men kindness, compassion, charity and concern for the less fortunate and infirm.
    Science does not. It is either eat or be eaten.
    When things like you describe above occurred, they indicate like sedimentary layers, times in history when religious values gave way to secular values, secular values based more on greed and survival than on compassion and kindness. When such happens the weak will always suffer and die, while the strong thrive and prosper.

    Electing Hillary was a move towards the natural order taking over, one could even claim that Trumps win is a reflection of this, where the natural order of survival of the fittest expressed as nationalism, exclusiveness, and domination brought Trump to power, an unavoidable consequence of eradicating religion from the public sphere, thus allowing the natural order of self to dominant people’s thinking.

    If the world continues down this path of eradicating religion, as the liberals lobby for, I fully expect to see the return of slavery. After all, slavery is the wiser economic option for most businesses, but that’s a different discussion. Anyone with a basic grasp of economics and business will understand this. This is why slavery has always existed and still exists today everywhere in the world. As Shakespeare said, a rose by any other name is still a rose. The same applies to slavery so carefully hidden behind PC approved names.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Give your proofs.

  • Sarah

    Wow. People still believe that stuff? America is worse off than I ever imagined.

  • Ron McPherson

    LOLOL!!!

  • Dirk Niemand

    Yip, I guess you got that one. Your claim is so ridiculous that if you tried to give any proofs, you would discover just how absurd.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Test me, discover for yourself.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Except my “nonsense” can be verified as historical fact at your local library, whereas yours on the other hand is is totally subjective and only found inside your head.
    Perhaps your ‘nonsense’ works on the weak and uneducated, sorry that you ran into me who is not so easily fooled by liberal BS.

  • Ron McPherson

    Do you think Jesus was a Caucasian Middle Eastern Jew?

  • Sarah

    Oh, Dirk. :(

  • Ron McPherson

    We could and should all be more gracious. Imagine if we all adopted Jesus’ greatest commandment. Then there would be nothing to debate over. Everyone would be welcomed at the table

  • Dirk Niemand

    Well his ancestors did come from the Ural mountains, a white area, and the Jews were pretty endogamic, and DNA studies of the Phoneticians and of ancient Pharaoh’s remains, have proven they were of European extraction.
    Thus, we can safely assume that Jesus, born into a culture with white origins, surrounded by people of historical white ancestry, would be hard pressed to be anything other than white.

    Even 2000 years later, the people of that region still resemble European Mediterraneans with whom they share a common ancestry.
    So where the notion comes from that Jesus was black, it is without any scientific and historical proof or evidence.
    Which is why you could not give any.

  • Ron McPherson

    I never said he was black

  • Helen4Yemen

    blocked – go away and take your nastiness with you.

  • Realist1234

    Just to lighten the moo

  • Realist1234

    oops : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61Q2lDpykQ

    Just to lighten the mood, if this is allowed?

  • 10 points to Jeff. I can confirm he’s in South Africa.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Ta da! “Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!”

  • Jeff Preuss

    Ha! I liked the kitty.

  • Bones

    Yep. Or the 95% that didn’t vote for her.

    She’ll always be a fringe player because we have compulsory voting where the main apathetic electorate has to vote even if they dont give a rats..

    If we didn’t it would just be a couple of thousands of fanatics voting and 3 dogs and a cat.

  • Bones

    That’s right. You’ve got the conservative mindset.

  • Dirk Niemand

    Sarah, when I considered an inter-racial marriage, I realized that marrying someone of a different race and bringing bi-racial children into the world would be a cruelty to the children. As much as white people like to pretend that racism doesn’t exist, ask any minority if that is true.
    It would be as irresponsible, as marrying a women knowing that all the children of the union would be born blind. How does one justify to a child as a parent, that one purposefully brought them into the world knowing that such an action would result in their suffering?
    One cannot out of any personal selfish desires to be with a particular woman or man, purposefully disadvantage any future children born as a result of that selfish lust. Being a responsible parent starts before the children arrive.

    Enough scientific studies have been done to prove beyond doubt, that bi-racial children never feel truly accept by either ancestral race, that they always remain as children who feel that although they officially belong to two different worlds, they are not fully welcomed in either. Resulting in bi-racial children having higher rates of suicide, depression, alcoholism, truancy, drug use, etc. than average.

    Another consideration is that inter-racial marriages have higher divorce rates and abuse rates than average.
    Making such marriages a double whammy for any children involved.

    There are other studies, needing more investigation, that suggest that bi-racial children suffer more medical and health issues than average. This flies in the face of hybrid vigor, thus the need for additional data.

    The list of negatives goes on. For those who have an inter-racial marriage out of true love, good for them, love conquers all.
    For those who do it just to be part of the in-crowd, to be hip, because everyone on T.V. is doing it, beware, children will pay the price.

    But what do people who feel nothing about killing unborn children care about such things anyway?

  • Bones

    What I am saying is born out from facts and case studies of other countries.

    There were a million illegal abortions a year BEFORE Roe v W.and that was with a smaller population.

    As usual conservatives want nothing to do with reality.

    It’s all about ideology.

  • Bones

    Hypocrite much.
    The one labelling is the one you voted for.

    The voters in Wisconsin were pissed off about jobs not whether they could lie about Muslims and Mexicans.

  • Bones

    Jew haters voted for him and he’s employed them on his staff.

    Eg breitbart edior Steve Bannon.

  • Dirk Niemand

    DO not try and hide your ignorant racist comments behind the excuse that others are being nasty.

    Everyone of your racist comments was exposed for the lie that it is. All that is left is for you to face the obvious fact that you are a racist. Hence your little explosion.

  • Dirk Niemand

    The opposite of white is black, it was plainly implied.
    “You realize Jesus wasn’t white, right?”

    After all, you weren’t about to waste your time debating what color shade of white Jesus was, now were you?

  • Ron McPherson

    Wrong. My point is that “whiteness” isn’t the answer to all that is right

  • Dirk Niemand

    What methods were used to gather this data concerning illegal abortions?
    Is it based on arrests, self confessions, a show of hands at church perhaps?
    Don’t you understand, “facts” concerning illegal data is always a thumb suck, that is why one needs to use official reports of empirical data to verify the “unofficial” facts.

    So I repeat

    Simple logic.
    Fewer abortions = more live births.
    More abortions = fewer live births.

    Yet in the countries you have mentioned, it seems as if their anti-abortion policies are resulting in a high number of live births than in the countries that permit abortions, which demonstrate a lower birth rate.
    This is across the board. Countries where abortion is illegal, have higher birth rates than similar countries that practice abortion.

    How do you explain this, if making abortion illegal results in more abortions and not fewer abortions?

  • Dirk Niemand

    Blacks and Latinos also voted for him, so what is your point?

  • Ron McPherson

    “plus that wasn’t Jesus’ greatest command. He asked us to love God first and foremost, with all our hearts, minds and souls”

    I’m not quite sure what you might be disputing. I stated that we should adhere to Jesus’ greatest commandment but I didn’t elaborate on what that was (but yes, it is to first love God and to also love our neighbor as ourselves). But I don’t remember stating anything to the contrary

  • Dirk Niemand

    That implies according to you that Jesus is the answer to all that is right?

    I fail to see how either Jesus or the color of his skin ties in with your above statement.

    What’s right is an opinion. What works is a fact.

  • bill wald

    That is exactly why I am pleased that none of my kids married a black person. A Chinese, Korean, Japanese . . . person? No disadvantage for the grand kids in WA or OR and the family get-togethers would be more interesting food-wise.

  • Ron McPherson

    From Jesus’ words I take it to mean that loving God and loving others encompasses the whole of scripture and how it should be interpreted. On this hang all the law and the prophets

  • RonnyTX

    Dirk-
    I think what you are feeling is the bitter realization that the liberal dream you bought into is nothing more than an illusion of smoke and mirrors, and boy did you buy into it. Even going so far as to marry some2one outside of your own race to prove what a good liberal you are, talk about taking one for the team.

    Ronny to Dirk:
    Then you would have to think my family was the worst of the worse, since I am part white, part NA Indian, part black, Gentile and Jewish! :-) LoL

    BTW, it is interesting that in the southern United States, 1/3 of the white people here are actually part black. Which has made me say at times, I would love to have all of the KKK members DNA tested! :-)

    And BTW, all human beings belong to one group. Which one? Why, we are all the offspring of God! :-)

  • cvxxx

    I took bookkeeping in college.!!

  • Ron McPherson

    What kind of scientist are you?

  • Sarah

    Ugh. So discouraging!!

  • Herm

    Sadly as a crucifying Pharisees you have a knowledge of the Bible that points to Jesus as the Word but you do not know Him.

    My Lord God looks at who you call …

    -Homosexuals which the Bible calls an abomination.
    -Pro-choice whom the Bible calls murderers.
    -Transgendered whom the Bible calls reprobates.
    -Politicians who have ignored their own for the sake of others, whom the Bible calls infidels.
    -Atheist who deny God, whom the Bible calls fools.

    … if they in everything do to others as they would have others do to them He calls them law abiding.

    … if they ask and accept to be fully filled by the Spirit of truth, who by your fruit you do not see, He calls them disciples.

    It is you in all your intellectual pseudo superiority lording over the poor in spirit, those who mourn, the meek, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, the pure in heart, the peacemakers, and those who are persecuted because of righteousness that is offensive to God, all of us.

    I rejoice and am glad that I know personally He who was persecuted before me. I grieve for you who does not know what you do.

    These are references spelled out for you that you may begin to ask, seek and knock.

    As to”Politicians who have ignored their own for the sake of others, whom the Bible calls infidels” digest this:

    If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:26

    My suggestion would be that you start ignoring your own for the sake of others. That is what Jesus did on the cross. The next verse finalizes your opportunity to become a student (disciple) of Jesus Christ today, the only Teacher of God who is not dependent upon interpretive theology for He is the Truth and the Word of God:

    And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:27

    As to the rest of Levitical law, that is only flawed human embellishments of God’s law written in stone before Jesus was born the only Son of Man begotten by God, these don’t mention one of those characteristics of carnal Man as in the law. Where the Decalogue was once written, that the Israelites distorted, Jesus, through the filling of the Holy Spirit, writes the law in love in every heart and mind.

    So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    Matthew 7:12

    Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Matthew 22:37-40

    This is ALL we must do to inherit, as a child of God today, eternal life.

    He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

    Luke 10:27-28

    None of these have failed those tests based on their characteristics you sit in despicable judgment of while seeking to crucify them all in God’s name as Jesus was crucified in God’s name:

    -Homosexuals which the Bible calls an abomination.
    -Pro-choice whom the Bible calls murderers.
    -Transgendered whom the Bible calls reprobates.
    -Politicians who have ignored their own for the sake of others, whom the Bible calls infidels.
    -Atheist who deny God, whom the Bible calls fools.

    You don’t know Jesus and our heavenly Father like this:

    “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

    John 14:15-21

    I can testify that Jesus didn’t lie and He is in me and I am in Him. You have not accepted the Spirit of truth because by your own words you don’t see him or know him.

  • Herm

    You find it abominable not God. If you knew the Word of God you would know that for sure. You only know the interpretive study of God and not God.

  • Herm

    This is not separate:

    “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

    John 14:15-21

    You aren’t in God, yet. You are blindly following religious theology, ritual and dogma no less ignorant of relationship in and with God than were those authorities who crucified Jesus in the name of God.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Well, Dirk is in South Africa, so at least there is one fewer here.

  • Herm

    Yes, this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “Do not let the prophets and diviners among you deceive you. Do not listen to the dreams you encourage them to have. They are prophesying lies to you in my name. I have not sent them,” declares the LORD.

    Jeremiah 29:8-9

  • Jeff Preuss

    Didn’t someone well-known say that about on this hangs all the law?

  • Herm

    Where does “white-nationalism” have its roots?

  • cvxxx

    Considering many white people would not have been considered white in 1900 or even in 1950. “White Privilege” is a mistaken notion that class and wealth do not matter. They do.
    here are some reference sources:

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~emeraldidyll/Ireland/racism_in_ireland.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p274.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion
    http://www.snopes.com/irish-slaves-early-america/
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p274.html

  • Bones

    Failed world history.

    Germany was full of armed militia fighting each other in the 20s.

  • Bones

    Nah…

    It’s morons like you who have no clue about the bible and think Sodom is about bum sex.

  • cvxxx

    Hogwash!

  • cvxxx

    Until now.

  • Bones

    Whatever your religion it’s pretty shitty and based on outright lies.

    I know this from your posts.

    No doubt you want everyone else to believe them too.

  • cvxxx

    sex education

  • Herm

    Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism, said white nationalism is a term for a form of white supremacy or separatism.
    Its supporters defend “country by white racial identity.” They promote the interests of whites exclusively and denigrate all others.

  • cvxxx

    Blame the ROE for a lot of thos losses.

  • Sarah

    Anyone else feel like they’re reading a page out of The Crucible?

  • Sarah

    Oh my goodness… the world according to Dirk. Bless his heart.

  • Snooterpoot

    LOL. All of it is true.

  • Bones

    Nope…conservatives of course are trying to destroy unionism for their big business mates.

    I belong to one of the most militant and powerful unions in the country.

  • Bones

    There are black and Latino conservatives………not many though.

    The problem was not enough could be half arsed in voting.

  • Bones

    More like countries with higher abortion rates have zero interest in women’s health and family planning.

    In anti abortion Africa 1.6 minion women are hospitalised annually from illegal and unsafe abortions.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Omilawsie I hate that play.

  • Sarah

    What happened to “The meek shall inherit the earth”? You don’t like Jesus?

  • cvxxx

    How unfortunate for you. A relic of the past to be replaced by a machine.

  • Bones

    Unfortunate for those in Wisconsin where apparently Trump is going to time warp back to the 70s.

  • Bones

    I’m sure that made him feel better.

  • Bones

    Those whinging about PC are those who want to lie about and slander others.

    This ‘unreasonable fear’ is based on the rhetoric of the president elect himself…f#ck he didn’t even know if he was going to punish women’s who have abortions or not…..

    He put that out there there to get the extremist vote.

  • cvxxx

    Incompetent were they not?

  • cvxxx

    That is a human condition. We vs them whoever “them” is. Christians slaughter other Christians. Having “White” nationalism will go the same way. Soon there will be a we v them. if there is no outside force to concentrate on.

  • cvxxx

    2 needs to be revised Europeans were slaves for thousands of years. Slave came from defeated tribes when the other tribe found that they could gain wealth by selling them.
    4. that was a result of divide and conquer.
    3. exaggeration by a parsec

    4. inferior cultures and civilization are conquered by superior ones.

  • cvxxx

    Slavery is more expensive. It fails in the light of technology. Plus with genetic engineering we could make everybody white.

  • cvxxx

    There are differences what was considered “White”. To a Roman, you being non- Roman would be a Barbarian. skin color would not matter.

  • cvxxx

    The only way would be to get DNA sample what if it was not human.

  • Bones

    Apparently not considering one side took over…..

  • Bones

    Baha

    And you just ooze Jesus don’t you….

    You’re never too far from the haters and the Trump fanatics…you’re their lapdog…

  • Bones

    You mean like killing gay people…..

  • Bones

    Interesting that Moses wasn’t pro-life

    Moses murdered babies

    Abortions in the Bible….

    Numbers 31 – moses kills any woman who has had sex eg pregnant women

    15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    One would expect quite a few women at different stages of pregnancy had their throats cut or however they despatched them.

    Or Numbers 5 where the priest aborts babies with potions….

    20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
    “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

    23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[e] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

    29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”

    Seems pretty obvious that moses wasn’t pro-life.
    Apparently it was OK to burn alive tamar”s unborn

    Genesis 38
    24 Now it was about three months later that Judah was informed, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar has played the harlot, and behold, she is also with child by harlotry.” Then Judah said, “Bring her out and let her be burned!”

    I take it Jesus ordered that and was fine with that given that Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh…

  • Bones

    You mean like Trump……

    Can’t happen in Australia…..everyone HAS to vote.

    This is why in some countries fanatics don’t get in power.

  • Bones

    Aaaah someone’s sulking because apartheid was exposed for the evil it was by men of God like Mandela and Tutu….

    You’d hate Tutu wouldn’t you Dirk…..

  • Bones

    Not according to the South….

  • Bones

    No one’s censoring you dipshit….

    Your hate is laid bare for ALL to see.

    You miss apartheid don’t you….

  • Bones

    Liberals will be in again….that just shows how retarded you people are….

    How’s South Africa going again?

  • Bones

    That’s why God separated the white man, hey Dirk???

  • Bones

    This would be the Dutch Reformed version…..where Jesus is a white man…..

  • Bones

    Lol…Hitler was a prolife conservative….

    That’s why 60 000 women were in concentration camps for abortion oh and thousands of homosexuals.

    Of course it was the evangelical conservatives who crucified Christ….

    Hmmm we’re seeing a pattern here.

  • Bones

    These are the deluded people who have been enabled by trump….

  • Bones

    And here we have a supporter of Apartheid….

    Trump has unleashed the demons on humanity….

  • Bones

    The ones who killed Christ were conservative Evangelicals….like you

    Jesus was a liberal Jew….

    So the only one offending God is you.

    You’d happily kill him again, because he would tear you a new one over your treatment of others.

  • Matthew

    I was thinking more the verses before the ones you quote Herm:

    “Build houses and settle down; plant gardens and eat what they produce. Marry
    and have sons and daughters; find wives for your sons and give your
    daughters in marriage, so that they too may have sons and daughters.
    Increase in number there; do not decrease. Also, seek the peace and prosperity of the city to which I have carried you into exile.”

    Essentially — whoever is president — simply live.

  • Matthew

    Thanks Jeff Preuss.

  • RonnyTX

    Thank you Herm, for posting that! :-) It goes right along with my knowing that I can completely trust God; but then there are somethings, that I just as soon not go through. But, if it is God’s will that I do, I know God will see me though and all will be well, when things are wrapped up. :-) And indeed, things can not help but end up well and that for all people. How so? Because God is in control, of all things and God is love! :-)

  • RonnyTX

    Helen:
    I have a different kind of worry, that Trump supporters are realizing how they were taken for fools and supported Trump on totally unrealistic campaign promises and as reality sinks in, they may get violent. That is my worry.

    Ronny to Helen:
    Yeah, I could see that happening. Especially so, among the people I see as extremists. And I live in a county, that voted 80% for Trump. But here, I don’t think anyone would turn to violences; but instead, some would simply be very dissapointed, because they had looked up to Trump, as some sort of saviour. And that right there, is where we can get into all sorts of trouble, when it comes to preachers or polititians!

  • RonnyTX

    Dirk to Helen:
    Now you can run around crying that we are all equal, hell, you may even have been brainwashed to believe that, but 5000 years of recorded history proves that some cultures have the ability to be civilized and always will, and some do not and never will, that is the reality of the situation.

    Ronny to Dirk:
    Dirk, we all are equal. For Jesus Christ needed to go to the cross, for us all and there, he took the sins of every person, upon himself. So none of us, has room, right or reason, to think of ourself as better than and look down on anyone else. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But then, what we could not do for ourselves, Jesus Christ did for us all! :-)

  • RonnyTX

    Amen RonM, amen! :-) And oh my, just thinking of what peace and joy comes to us, when we simply love everyone! :-)

  • RonnyTX

    Thank you RonM, for posting that scripture! :-)

  • Bones

    Yep……

    Life goes on…..

    You guys have been through worse than this,,,,

    Do tthe best you can and get through it.

    Be proud in knowing that you are doing the right thing…

    I love you Matt and I’m pssed after a couple of beers nd a full bottle of wine….

    you guys are my church…

  • RonnyTX

    Bones to Matthew:
    Trump campaigned on outright lies…

    Which evangelicals lapped up like a dog to its vomit.

    Ronny to Bones:
    Oh Bones, I almost wished I hadn’t of read that, right before I go and have breakfast, this morning! :-( LoL

  • Bones

    Well that describes the Australian Aborigines who was around at least 50 000 BCE

  • Bones

    Interesting that you see blacks as an inferior culture.

  • Matthew

    Thanks Bones. Sleep well.

  • RonnyTX

    DirkN to Sarah:
    Enough scientific studies have been done to prove beyond doubt, that bi-racial children never feel truly accept by either ancestral race, that they always remain as children who feel that although they officially belong to two different worlds, they are not fully welcomed in either. Resulting in bi-racial children having higher rates of suicide, depression, alcoholism, truancy, drug use, etc. than average.

    Ronny to DirkN:
    We are all of one group. We are one human race. We are all the offspring/children of God. :-) And the bottom line truth is, God/Jesus Christ loves us all and that more than we can even humanly comprehend! :-)

  • Bones

    Sure you’re a scientist….

    1) Just a couple of blocks down from me is where they used to dump dead Aborigines which the police and local settlers ‘dispersed’ from their land….

    But hey it was nothing personal.. they were seen as savages and animals…..

    I’m sure apartheid was nothing personal against blacks….

    2) lol now slavery is seen as the saviour of black people….fmd this is the type of ideology Trump has enabled…

    4) Fmd nineteenth and early twentieth century Darwinism still has its ugly hold…..the weaker species gets killed eg the Jews…..Actually nearly every scientist will dispute your overt racism….

    No scientist ascribes survival of the fittest to what is basically Nazi racial theory.

    Ffs USA will be a minority white country in 10 years time.

    “When things like you describe above occurred, they indicate like sedimentary layers, times in history when religious values gave way to secular values, secular values based more on greed and survival than on compassion and kindness. ”

    Lol secular laws came about because of the destruction caused by religion.

    But then you live in your own racist fantasy land.

  • RonnyTX

    Eva to RonM:
    “plus that wasn’t Jesus’ greatest command. He asked us to love God first and foremost, with all our hearts, minds and souls”

    RonM to Eva:
    I’m not quite sure what you might be disputing. I stated that we should adhere to Jesus’ greatest commandment but I didn’t elaborate on what that was (but yes, it is to first love God and to also love our neighbor as ourselves). But I don’t remember stating anything to the contrary

    Ronny to RonM:
    This is so interesting to me! :-) For when God first proved to me, how greatly God/Jesus Christ loved me, flowing out from that, was my loving God/Jesus Christ in return and also, my love of all people. And I’m taking no credit for that, because what I then and now have, is a gift of God to and for me. :-) So, when I love all people now, I can’t hold up my nose and say, why, look how good I am! No, I can’t do that. Why not? Because what I have, this love, it was a gift of God, to me. :-) And I am just so glad that I now see and understand, that before all is said and done, God/Jesus Christ, will have gifted the whole human race with such! :-)

  • RonnyTX

    Sherlang to Otrotierra:
    To be fair, we aren’t all like that…..

    Ronny to Sherlang:
    I agree.

  • RonnyTX

    Sherlang to Otrotierra:
    The fact that the number is that high is extremely repulsive. The former pastor at the church I am preaching at told the congregation that Trump was God’s blessing upon America and I was just appalled.

    Ronny to Sherlang:
    And well you should of been. And in another group, I know a guy who has no use for Trumps ways and he is a evangelical Baptist college teacher. And he completely agreed with me, when I said I thought Trump more wanted to be dictator of the United States, rather than simply its president.

  • RonnyTX

    Amen RonM, amen! :-)

  • RonnyTX

    JohnW to Helen:
    Trump is not an atheist! He is a born-again Christian, and I know this because James Dobson told me. ;)

    Ronny to JohnW:
    Now that’s funny! :-) LoL

  • Jeff Preuss

    At the risk of invoking Godwin’s law, Mengele was a scientist, so that’s not necessarily a positive.

  • Realist1234

    I cant wait for Trump to meet our new foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, on a windy day.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Candy floss twins.

  • Tim

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black…

  • Herm

    Thank you Ronny for all your concerned and positive love that you continually share with us all.

    I cannot speak for anyone else but on the end side of a full carnal life, filled with deep lows and soaring highs, I wouldn’t trade this opportunity of life for the option of never having been. It is made much more full in feeling and thought by being able to empathize vicariously in joy and compassion with all I have known to share this journey with.

    Only as a child under the protection of my carnal parents have I mistakenly thought I was, or would be, able to take care of myself and earn my way. The older and more mature I have become the more the truth was that I was (as we all are) being gifted without merit all I had with the responsibility of choice, with consequences, of what to do with what was placed in my name.

    Today I am back to accepting the relationship of little child free to play under the guidance, protection and providing of my family in God.

    I have never been in complete control but I know, even as a relatively ignorant little child (within Man carnally and God spiritually), I am consequentially responsible to my choices that other feeling and thinking animals aren’t on this earth. This is how I have learned to be ever more responsibly loving for all of us within my influence in the example and image of my Lord God. To top this whole experience, beginning as a child of Man, off it has been clear all along the way that when I have erred there was always One pleading my case, “Father forgive Herm for he knows not what he does”.

    Yes, the God I know inside and out is in control, is all love by example first while gifting each and everyone of us Their grace to choose in Their image. The greatest gift of all, for me, is that I have never feared being struck down by lightening when I exhibited the first sign that I was obviously not perfect. I have always been free to learn and choose again to be more appropriate to my earthly goal to love myself, my neighbor as myself, my enemy who is also a sibling in our Man, and to love the Lord my God with all the love I have grown to give.

    Thanks, again, Ronny for giving me this opportunity to reflect and savor in God’s love! :-) God blesses us all!

  • Herm

    Oops, two different perspectives in love. I like yours better but the only responsibility Man has been given,in the image of God, individually and collectively is responsibility to the results of our choices tempered in the divine parental grace of forgiveness. Even when we are forgiven resulting consequences will not be erased. We were not created in the image of God to be herd animals grazing in the meadows by the choice of our master. Man was created in the image of God to be stewards of their environment subject to their freedom of choice.

    In a “civilized” environment where we share skills dependent upon each other, as versus hunter gatherers, we can’t simply build houses and settle down when we have chosen that we just don’t need the carpenters, grocers, farmers, plumbers and all the services we depend on to settle just for the evening. All those services are made up in our nation with Christians, Muslims, gays, straights, not so straights, not so Christian, not so Muslims, Blacks, Browns, Whites, Yellows and Reds. If the choice of our president-elect is implemented our crops and services will be quite unsettling to all of us who own houses and those seeking to own houses. The shared economy will have a huge bump up for a moment only to crash when it has to be paid back by low taxes.

    We have increased in number to where a smaller government will not serve the hundred million more than 20 years ago to function in harmony.

    I know you are trying your hardest to say just sit back God will take care of all things. I love the sentiment and the faith but that ignores the responsibility to the consequences of having been created in God’s image with choice. The most important choice is to listen to the teaching of God through the Spirit of truth to make informed choices … or …. listen to the teaching of our traditions of Man through the spirit of patriotism to family, nation and religion to make informed choices only from the perspective of mankind ignoring the perspective of God. As a collective we in the United States of America made our choice and we will enjoy or suffer the results. Life in the image of God can never be simply live. How simply, from your perspective, does God live when responsible loving stewards of Their creation in Their image?

    Love you Matthew!

  • Matthew

    I get it Herm and I´m not for Trump either, but I am for attempting to look for the positive in this election mess as well as in the next leader of the U.S. I think Obama´s post election message re: how to handle the transition has been a good one IMO.

    I simply found solace in those verses because to me God told them what to do when indeed they were being lead to a place they didn´t want to go — much like in the direction many Americans (and many in the global community for that matter) are now headed.

    Ultimately though, my King sits on a higher throne and regardless of who is president of the U.S. that King still reigns and will return to set up a kingdom like no other … but I know you already know this story :-)!

    Thanks for the love Herm. I appreciate it :-).

  • Jeff Preuss

    I know. Don’t let it discourage you. There will always be people who justify hateful things, and we just need to continue striving for peace and equality for all people.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Two beers and a bottle of wine? I’d have blacked out hours ago, were I in your spot…

  • Rory Hand

    So….I guess you would rather have had Hillary Clinton win, and continue her war on unborn children (usually referred to as abortion, but I prefer the more accurate title of “Murder”).

    Trump may flip flop on the abortion thing, but Mike Pence his running mate gets it. And if this means Planned Parenthood getting defunded and more limits on late term abortion being passed, then hell yeah I’m glad Trump got in.

    And your telling me we’re a more racist country now that Trump got in? Despite the fact that alot of his support has come from former Obama supporters…gimme a break.

  • cvxxx

    From what i read and some polls none of the above would have won in a landslide.

  • cvxxx

    Nostalgia is not the same as reality.

  • cvxxx

    Blacks per se are not a culture. Since there are 54 countries,over 1250 languages,3000 ethnic groups + that have dark skin which ones are you referring to?

  • cvxxx

    #2 is inaccurate the slavers in Europe were varied. It would depend on the years as the trade moved by by what was marketed.

  • Bones

    Seems he ascribes to the same type of racial theory.

  • Delta 14

    This article is shocking. I grew up in Southern California and lived for 2 years with my wife and 2 toddlers in an apartment complex in the inner city. Above us lived a Pakistani family who was abused and assaulted daily by a Mexican gang of high school kids. They egged their apartment, they chased their terrified hindu kids home and assaulted them on a regular basis – both verbally and physically. On numerous occasions I sent this pack of hoodlums running… for some reason they respected me enough to know that they might get in trouble for crossing me. But I am not going to lie… I knew I was walking on a razors edge and more than once while walking through that complex I worried about my own safety.

    The first time I chased off the gang; my wife and I brought up a loaf of hot bread and after that an amazing thing happened in our relationship. I can’t remember their names 30 years later but I’ll never forget the time we shared and the friendship and respect that developed between us. My family took in a Vietnamese refugee family in the 1970’s and for over 2 years they lived on our home. In the places that I have lived many of my friends where foreigners at university and everyone I know has always loved them, treated them with great respect, and had great relationships with them.

    Mr. Corey… The Donald Trump voters that I know wouldn’t do the things that you attribute to them. Donald Trump and his family wouldn’t do the things that you falsely accuse them of doing. Donald Trump voters are not racists, they are not mean, they are not unkind, and they are not as you have described them to be. It is your side of the aisle that is unkind, racist, and intolerant of others and I am sick of people like you using your platform to spout your hatred and insecurity.

    After what your wrote, do you really think you are equipped to raise this girl. Doesn’t she deserve a father who can reassure her and give her confidence… not some fearful weenie fretting and worrying about imagined phantoms, ghosts and goblins.

    It is sinful to project your fears onto your daughter and to make the accusations that you have made towards Donald Trump and his voters. Be a worthy father to your daughter and be a role model in your ministry for a change. People like me are not going to take your unchristian abuse any more without reflecting it back at you.

  • Delta 14

    I have two other points to add to my comments below. First, I apologize in hindsight for the tone at the end. Second, this blog post is not what you expect from a “patheos” leader. I can’t even remotely describe how un”patheos” this article is. Am I the only one reading this that finds this article shockingly hypocritical? shockingly anti-“Patheos”?

  • Ron McPherson

    Based on some of the comments I’ve seen, I wouldn’t blame Ben if he never posted another article, or at least one where he bares his soul about his concerns for the world his daughter lives in. I didn’t read anything in the article where he accused all Trump voters of being abusive. I can attest first hand that his concerns are real. And it’s a shame that some folks have accused him, a Christ follower if there ever was one, of being a poor father incapable of raising this child. I’ve followed this blogger for several years. He and his wife have sacrificed and suffered pure hell in devoting their lives to make a life for their kids.

  • Beverley Davis

    the fact this person blames White people for their grief, ignoring that 19% of the Black vote was for Trump, and Native Americans…I know them…..also voted for Trump. And with all the racist crimes aimed at Trump supporters, defacing a chapel, burning a Black church, claiming Trump supporters attacked them when it was all proven a lie..I have no pity for you. If you want to scare your child so be it.

  • Beverley Davis

    stop whining.

  • Beverley Davis

    being born white makes you a racist…I’m over it….

  • Ron McPherson

    “He came to break barriers, not build them.”

    Amen a thousand times!!!!

  • Ron McPherson

    Lol!!!

  • Helen4Yemen
  • Jeff Preuss

    All proven a lie? Hardly.

  • Jeff Preuss

    I don’t know how you could view his blog as anti-Patheos, since the whole point of the Patheos community is to offer discussions from a variety of perspectives, along many faith lines, and even on the atheist channel.

  • Herm

    …explain

  • Jeff Preuss

    “Donald Trump voters are not racists, they are not mean, they are not unkind, and they are not as you have described them to be.” Nowhere does Ben make the claim that all of them are, but you seem perfectly fine to confidently paint those who didn’t vote for Trump with just as broad a brush.

    And what, exactly, did he falsely accuse Trump of?

    As far as Ben “projecting” his fears on his daughter, perhaps you missed the part of the blog when he talked about what she encountered at school that scared her. No projection, just her actual experience.

  • Ron McPherson

    Yeah I don’t get it. Ben’s daughter is frightened but it’s all his fault somehow. I must say that this particular article has brought out some of the most cruel responses that I’ve seen in a while. I stay flabbergasted.

  • Jeff Preuss

    I know some people are skeptical of the reported assaults and defacings and threats, but in the face of hundreds of incidents, I would hope that folks would try to be empathetic on the possibility that even some of it is true.

    I personally know people who have been screamed at while pumping gas, “This is OUR country now, f*****!” I personally know teachers who have had to intervene when sexual assaults have started happening out in the hall in junior high, with kids trying to grab girls by that part. I personally know someone who got called a n*****. I personally know someone whose babysitter got jumped by two white guys shouting “f****** aren’t welcome in this country!” and beaten up. All since the election.

    This stuff IS happening. It is NOT normal.

  • Snooterpoot

    LOL Me, too, Jeff. I am a total lightweight.

  • JR

    Ignored is the cooperation of the Clinton csmoaign, Hillary Clinton herself approved, and her SuperPacs, and other Democrat operatives who paid people to attack Trump supporters and riot. Illegal for campaigns to be in contact with Super PACS.
    Undercover videos and emails prove the Clinton campaign behind the Trump supporter atracks.

    Ignored is the fact that after the election people were paid to riot and burn the country down, of which Obama supported as did Clinton.
    Ignored are the horrible things Clinton has done since the Watergate Trials – 40 years of criminal activity and racism.

    Trump wants to enforce laws and he is labeled with every name possible.
    The tacticts of the Communists – Projection.

    Very disturbing that so many support Totalitarian Communism.

  • JR

    Why do you not bring up how many African Blacks Mrs. Mandela tortured and killed?
    One way was the famous Mandela Necklace

  • JR

    The last eight years has been Alt Left = Communist Globalist propaganda

  • JR

    You do not understand Orwellian. Obama’s policies are Orwellian

  • Snooterpoot

    I stay flabbergasted.

    And disheartened.

  • JR

    So all of you have been fine with terrorists in the White House.

    If all of you hate America so much then you need to leave and try a Communist or Terrorist country.

  • JR

    It gas been the Alt Left Communists that have been screaming Trump will deport everyone legal or not.

    Obama said Romney will have Blacks back in chains and on plantations. The Alt Left are the real racists and fear mongers

  • JR

    “Elections have consequences. I won”.
    Obama 2008

  • Snooterpoot

    Obama said Romney will have Blacks back in chains and on plantations.

    Prove it. Give us at least one link to an objective source to support your claim.

    And do not tell me to look it up myself. You made an assertion as fact; the burden of proof is on you.

  • JR

    The Alt Left has done just that the last 8 years

  • Snooterpoot

    They certainly do. I just hope the consequences of this one are not as bad as I anticipate.

  • JR

    Obama set the precedent for dictator

  • JR

    Obviously you all did not bother with the emails about Spirit Cooking and pedophilia among the Democrats especially Clinton’s people

  • JR

    The Alt Left Communists conveniently leave out how many died from Islam since it’s inception, that slavery still exists in the Middle East and Africa, that women and children and animals are lower than dirt

  • JR

    Islam wants to destroy everything not Islam

  • JR
  • Jeff Preuss

    Um…what? Trying to figure out what that has to do with anything I’ve said…

  • Jeff Preuss

    Spirit Cooking = performance art piece by Marina Abramovic. Not the Satanism you want to think it is. Debunked.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Terrorists in the White House? Ah, checking your comment history, I guess you mean Obama. So, not actually a terrorist.

    And, I never said I hate America. In fact, I quite love my country. What I hate is seeing its ideals dashed against the rocks. Those ideals are NOT bigotry and white nationalism.

  • Bones

    Wtf still talks about communism?

    Only alt right morons.

  • Snooterpoot

    I asked you for an objective source. The Observer is published by Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law.

    Want to try again?

  • Jeff Preuss

    I think you are too wrapped up in conspiracies. It’s apparently left you quite unsettled. May you find peace.

  • Bones

    Steve Biko anyone?

    Nice try at defending racism with ‘but the black’s did it too’.

  • Bones

    Obviously never been to an aboriginal corroboree.

    Anyone knows your comment is not only wrong but racially motivated.

    African-American culture

    African-American culture, also known as Black-American culture, in the United States refers to the cultural contributions of African Americans to the culture of the United States, either as part of or distinct from American culture. The distinct identity of African-American culture is rooted in the historical experience of the African-American people, including the Middle Passage. The culture is both distinct and enormously influential on American culture as a whole.

    African-American culture is rooted in West and Central Africa. Understanding its identity within the culture of the United States it is, in the anthropological sense, conscious of its origins as largely a blend of West and Central African cultures. Although slavery greatly restricted the ability of African-Americans to practice their original cultural traditions, many practices, values and beliefs survived, and over time have modified and/or blended with European cultures and other cultures such as that of Native Americans. African-American identity was established during the slavery period, producing a dynamic culture that has had and continues to have a profound impact on American culture as a whole, as well as that of the broader world.[3]

    Elaborate rituals and ceremonies were a significant part of African Americans’ ancestral culture. Many West African societies traditionally believed that spirits dwelled in their surrounding nature. From this disposition, they treated their environment with mindful care. They also generally believed that a spiritual life source existed after death, and that ancestors in this spiritual realm could then mediate between the supreme creator and the living. Honor and prayer was displayed to these “ancient ones,” the spirit of those past. West Africans also believed in spiritual possession.[4]

    In the beginning of the eighteenth century Christianity began to spread across North Africa; this shift in religion began displacing traditional African spiritual practices. The enslaved Africans brought this complex religious dynamic within their culture to America. This fusion of traditional African beliefs with Christianity provided a common place for those practicing religion in Africa and America.[4]

    After emancipation, unique African-American traditions continued to flourish, as distinctive traditions or radical innovations in music, art, literature, religion, cuisine, and other fields. 20th-century sociologists, such as Gunnar Myrdal, believed that African Americans had lost most cultural ties with Africa.[5] But, anthropological field research by Melville Herskovits and others demonstrated that there has been a continuum of African traditions among Africans of the Diaspora.[6] The greatest influence of African cultural practices on European culture is found below the Mason-Dixon line in the American South.[7][8]

    For many years African-American culture developed separately from European-American culture, both because of slavery and the persistence of racial discrimination in America, as well as African-American slave descendants’ desire to create and maintain their own traditions. Today, African-American culture has become a significant part of American culture and yet, at the same time, remains a distinct cultural body.[9]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_culture

  • Sarah

    Frightening…

  • Sarah

    Yes, many are. But this whole country has become bizarrely Orwellian since the election.

  • Sarah

    Hmmm… seems I didn’t. Can you please point me in that direction with some links?

  • RonnyTX

    What amazes me JeffP, is that anyone would think it normal or right, to act in ways like that! :-( And I am so glad, that long before I got to my teens, both my parents had taught me, by word and deeds, that all people had worth and that, no matter what their skin color happened to be. And that how I treated a person, was not to be based on their skin color or what they did or didn’t have, as far as material goods. What my parents taught me, was to simply respect all human beings and treat them all, as I wished to be treated. And for some who treat others badly and think of themself as better than,well, I know there are some people like that, who go by the name Christian. But in no way, can I see by their chosen actions, that they know Jesus Christ yet. They will yet know him though, at the time God chooses to show them their sin, bring them to repentance and take them on to faith, in Jesus Christ. :-)

  • I seriously regret reading the comments on this post.

  • JD

    Examples please.

  • Nick

    I grow weary of hearing critical thinking labeled as whining. Attack arguments not people.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Sometimes, I really don’t know how you do it.

  • Delta 14

    I agree with you on that! Best not to post hate filled rants about white people, especially when you put yourself out there as a pacifist Christian minister. Not the smartest thing to do!

  • Delta 14

    Jeff – I don’t believe for one second that Ben’s daughter has been threatened by a Donald Trump voter at her school or that she has ever been under any threat of deportation as described. However, I do believe that her teachers are probably telling her this… that her father is probably telling her these things. What kind of a father or teacher would say something like this to his daughter or their student? In my opinion these people are immoral child abusers. This girl deserves a father and teachers who will reassure her and tell her the truth, which is that 99.9% of white people love her. The white men I know would defend this girls right to be here and her honor and personhood with their lives. The truth is that America isn’t racist and that she has a place here and that she can be proud of being an American.

    I get it… Ben doesn’t like the fact that illegal aliens could be deported. He doesn’t think it is human or nice to refer to individuals who illegally crossed the border as illegals or aliens. There is a lot of people who can sympathize with him on this… The fact is that I understand these feelings and the moral complexities of the problem.

    However, I totally and completely rebuke the characterization that “white people” commit the acts of hatred that he describes; or that Donald Trump supporters are somehow in cahoots with the KKK. I don’t believe one word of Ben’s argument and after reading the article again it has occurred to me that 100% of his accusations are likely manufactured and wholly untrue. I don’t believe that his daughter has ever been under any threat of deportation. I don’t believe that he has experienced personally any of the nasties that he attributes to white people or Donald Trump supporters. He is simply using these false and racist characterizations to get his way. I find it extremely abusive and bullying.

    In fact, this is the real reason that Hillary Clinton lost the election. Donald Trump would make 1 comment and then the mainstream media and the Hillary Clinton Nazi’s twisted it into a hate filled racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynist message. In TV ads and in speech after speech your side made every nasty accusation they could. For 6 months we were bombarded with nothing but hate filled messages and shame filled diatribes. The same hateful stuff that Ben – the beloved pacifist christian minister said in his supposed grief filled statement. Guess what… all of that nastiness backfired.

    For 6 months your side acted with utter disrespect towards a huge population of Americans. The dialogue and messaging from your side was and continues to be extremely immature, unprofessional, and bitter. And you actually expected Americans to get behind your shame filled message? It wasn’t Donald Trump who was perceived as the Bully by those who voted for him. It was you who became the Bully with your inflammatory rhetoric.

    Ben’s daughter is absolutely safer at a Donald Trump event than in her own community… So much racism and hatred in the blue states… Boy am I glad to live in the midwest where kids can grow up without all the racism and hatred from self loathing white neocons.

  • Ron McPherson

    You must have read a different article

  • Ron McPherson

    I’m sure. Some of the comments reflect a sick lack of compassion because it does not fit within ones theological and political worldview. So either pretend it’s not real or else blame the victim.

  • Jeff Preuss

    “Only a total ass hole would do it, which is what you have on the left.”

    Wow. Hostile bias. I hope you can step back and really look at how you’re presenting yourself here, and figure out exactly who is perpetrating “unchristian abuse.” It’s not Ben.

  • Delta 14

    Really… and that is Donald Trump’s fault? Donald Trump apologized for the statements and said that they were inappropriate and that they should have never been released. Donald Trump didn’t publish the comments that you blame for causing these behaviors. That was UNETHICALLY published by NBC and then the self loathing DNC paid billions of dollars to ensure that every child in America watched it 100’s of times. Talk about scaring children and inspiring racist liberals. WOW… the DNC and the mainstream media has that one nailed down really well.

    So if these things are really happening as you say, then you can thank the DNC, Hillary Clinton, George Soros, the mainstream media, and the other hypocrites who syndicated it. Furthermore, the folks acting out in this way aren’t conservatives… they are racist liberals.

  • Bones

    Meanwhile in the real world

    Andrew Anglin revels in it all. As publisher of the widely read neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer, he urged his readers to pursue those who complain of harassment or were critical of Trump: “You can troll these people and definitely get some of them to kill themselves … ‘Mass suicide after Trump victory’ would be a headline the media would play up … but it would demoralise the left even further.”

    One of Anglin’s followers urged victims of the attacks to slash their wrists – “Make it count!” Another told a woman who said she had cried on election night to “get dressed and get in the oven”.

    Anglin, who last year told the Los Angeles Times he believed “white people deserve their own country”, continued his verbal rampage after Trump’s victory: “We beat you, we beat you badly. And now that you are on the ground, we are going to keep kicking you in the head.”

    AND after a West virginia official was fired for posting Michelle Obama looks like an ape in heels..

    Welcome to trumps America. What a backwards place.

  • Jeff Preuss

    I truly don’t think all folks who voted for Trump are racist bigots. I think that’s a relatively small part of his group of supporters. Those seem to be the ones who are delighting in the current strife occurring as some sort of reckoning. Unfortunately, that kind of person will always be around in some form, but lately they feel empowered and legitimized.

    I think there is a large contingent of Trump voters who either convinced themselves he was better than he is, or who held their noses while voting for him because Hillary really wasn’t an option for them (and I totally get that perspective). I know some folks did that specifically for the abortion issue, or for him being tough on Islam or immigration, but otherwise found him detestable.

    The impression I get is that this group has some folks who seem more defensive and respond to any criticism of Trump with “How dare you say all Trump voters are racist?” or pretending that the post-election assaults aren’t happening or are all made up for attention. I think they truly do understand the ramifications of how Trump’s candidacy normalized some bigotry and sexual assault, but cannot rectify that with their consciences. They may, on some level, regret their choice.

    This, of course, isn’t to say all who voted that way for that reason are defensive, but I’m trying to understand what process someone goes through to deny the reality of what some of our fellow Americans are suffering through. I fully believe there are many who voted as such who are recognizing the discord and reaching out with compassion and understanding.

  • Delta 14

    I felt the same way after reading your post. Amazing that you could have written something that offended so many people and yet you are totally bewildered by it? There was a time when people could have political differences and still love each other. I actually sympathize with some of the unspoken issues that were implied in your article. I am so over this election…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFGO8R7aU

  • Oh, I expected it to offend white supremacists, so it’s no shock they showed up to tell me that my lived experience was all make believe.

  • Delta 14

    Ok… so now I am a white supremecist?

  • Jeff Preuss

    I understand that feeling. I can’t count the number of times people have told me what my life is like, refusing to accept it when the actual details of it don’t line up with their expected narrative for me.

  • Delta 14

    I retracted that statement.

  • SamHamilton

    I don’t think calling them “Alt Left Communists” is helpful, but I agree that there has been plenty of unnecessary fear-mongering on the left.

  • So you are just trolling because you do not apply hypocrisy to newt gingrich, his affairs and three marriages while lecturing America about his take on Christian family values….

  • Delta 14

    Jeff… thank you for pointing out that “it is a very small portion of Trump supporters who are racist bigots”. I am actually a Libertarian and I sympathize with many of the sentiments of Bernie Sanders voters.

    I don’t deny that there are some neo-nazi and white supremacists elements out there who supported Donald Trump. But that doesn’t make Donald Trump a neo-Nazi or a white supremacist either; and in fact it doesn’t reflect on him or his family at all.

    I am actually horrified when I hear about acts of racism and bias directed at minorities from any political orientation. You may not think so based on how I responded… but it bothers me alot when I hear about it.

    However, what I find extremely confusing is how your side completely ignores the racism and hatred directed by the DNC and the institutions on the left towards people who don’t agree with them politically. Hiring thugs to riot in the streets, to intimidate people, to steal elections, to cheat in debates… I could go on and on.

    Since I don’t frequent neo-Nazi websites I’m not exposed to the hatred that you guys seem to think permeates all of Donald Trump supporters. The vast majority of Donald Trump supports are not neo-Nazi’s and don’t go to those websites.

    When I see racism from the fascist right… it’s not institutionalized in the RNC or in Libertarian political parties. I condemn it. Donald Trump and the RNC condemn it. The RNC isn’t paying organizations to commit hate crimes and foment racial unrest like the DNC and the political institutions on the left. Let’s face it… Wikileaks and Project Veritas exposed the underbelly of the democratic party and it is as rotten as it gets. They will do anything and say anything to get elected. Ashamedly, they don’t even deny the facts of their corruption.

    It is this corruption that caused millions of people who voted for Obama in 2 previous elections to bail on the Democratic party. In the final analysis, there was no promise HIllary could make that could be believed or trusted. It’s as simple as that and I’m not ashamed of how I voted either.

    The reason I responded to Ben’s comments in the way I did is because I didn’t see any compassion or understanding in his post. I thought it was deplorable and apparently I wasn’t the only one either. Remember this a patheos blog… I seriously doubt there are any white supremacists present here.

  • LadySunami

    Civilization. The three markers are 1) the ability to invent something that never existed before. 2) the ability for others to take that invention and expand upon it by using it to further other inventions. 3) the ability of the majority of that culture to maintain and sustain those inventions.

    All cultures have these three markers, ergo by your own definition they’re all civilized.

  • Delta 14

    Sorry… I posted the wrong link… I was intending to post the following video, which was in the facebook page that I originally posted.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFGO8R7aU

  • LadySunami

    They were not attacked because they were non-white, they were attacked because they were weak militarily and could not defend their domain.

    That doesn’t change the fact that during said attacks those being conquered were dehumanized on the basis of of their skin color.

    I notice you left out the Greek, Roman, Viking, etc. raids and conquests. Is that because they were white on white?

    Or were they? Funny how these days we consider those of Greco-Roman ancestry to be white when in the past they weren’t considered white at all.

    The Romans were quite the conquerors but they wisely didn’t bring skin color into it, unlike the later “paler” empires. This probably had to do with having enemies both paler and darker then themselves. After all, indicating whiteness was a sign of civilization would mean the pale Germanic “barbarians” were more civilized then olive skinned Roman citizens!

    Eventually those white on white conquests expanded across the world to where it became white on non-white conquests, nothing personal, just they way things are.

    It became personal, or at least racial the moment conquerors started seeing their skin tone as a justification for considering other races inferior.

  • Jeff Preuss

    I just found out today that the proprietors of a restaurant and Halal market I patronize have been getting threatening calls and emails this past week. Again, happening to someone I know personally. They’re wonderful, kind people, who have been in business here for decades.

    The owner didn’t want to make a big deal out of it, despite having to contact security and block some phone numbers, but loyal customers took it to the news. Why? Kind, wonderful people are being threatened for no reason.

    But, yeah. They want to tell us it’s just media spin, right?

    Edit to fix misspelling

  • Sarah

    :( Torches and pitchforks come to mind. Very bizarre in this century.

  • LadySunami

    the Africans were captured by their fellow Africans and sold to the white man.

    Some of them. Others were kidnapped.

    Consider this, if those captured Africans had not been bought and brought to America, what would have happened to them? Perhaps killed or eaten by their black African captors?

    Eaten?? Are you serious?

    Many of them would have been killed sure, but I doubt the percentage would be much greater then those who died in transit to the Americas. For every 100 slaves who reached the Americas it’s estimated another 40 died either while being “herded” to the African coast or during the Middle Passage. For those sold to Europeans, rather than kidnapped by them, their fate in Africa would likely still be slavery but they would also have been surrounded by others much like themselves and so have a greater chance for future freedom, either for themselves or their offspring, and less chance of being severely discriminated against once freed.

    Basically every current black African American would never have been born without the slave trade, for their captured ancestor back in Africa would have never lived long enough to produce any children, which means they would never have been born.

    Bullshit. A majority of those Africans enslaved by their fellow Africans would simply have remained slaves in Africa. Obviously none of the African Americans alive today would exist if the European enslavement of Africans hadn’t been a thing, but that’s because other Africans still in Africa would exist instead!

  • Sarah

    Nelson, perhaps many aren’t. I believe that. But you also seem to be painting Trump with a gossamer brush. He’s not a nice person.

  • Sarah

    Wow… that got pretty angry pretty fast. You said, “I don’t believe for one second that Ben’s daughter has been threatened
    by a Donald Trump voter at her school or that she has ever been under
    any threat of deportation as described. However, I do believe that her
    teachers are probably telling her this… that her father is probably
    telling her these things.” You “don’t believe” and “it’s not true” are different things. You have a feeling that Ben’s lying based on what? And then you go on, based on this spurious “feeling” you have, to question Ben’s parenting abilities? To “get his way”? What does that even mean? [I may be feeding a troll here…]

  • Ron McPherson

    Unless anyone is actually guilty of the actions he described in the article, then I don’t understand how anyone could be offended.

  • Ron McPherson

    It’s amazing to me when people actually do it in the name of Jesus, all the while literally climbing over so much of what he actually said in order to do it.

  • Sarah

    I believe you’re exactly right. But what I don’t get is how those trump voters who have a conscience could have possibly imagined any different outcome? I have very left-inclined friends who refused to vote for Clinton based on her foreign policy, but in every other respect had in the past been for equality and social justice. These people are not stupid people (but many are pretty young- in their 20s). I am seriously baffled as to how they imagined a trump win would mean anything different than what is happening now. I suppose they could be coming from the perspective that it would take this incredible level of discord to spur real change, but at what cost? To me it would never be worth throwing so many people under the bus in order to effect change.

    It could also be argued that if Clinton were elected, change wouldn’t happen fast enough (or even at all). I sensed that after the first Obama win- it just seemed many of the things I was concerned about when he took office got worse. He was great on domestic policy for the most part (but far too compromising in many respects- such as health care reform- insurance companies should never have been at the table in those discussions!), but his foreign policy was unacceptable. As was his back tracking on some of the reforms he promised on overreaching post 9-11 legislation. And his backtracking on supporting whistleblowers. So I voted for a third party in his second election. But we really only have two viable parties here in the US, so my vote for a third party was in effect a vote for Romney. I learned my lesson and didn’t take the chance this time.

    So maybe my friends who voted against Clinton were thinking that. But still… I abhor change thru violence.

  • Jeff Preuss

    “But still… I abhor change thru violence.”

    Yeah, that’s kinda my main problem, as well. After all the times he vocally incited violence at his rallies, and encouraged it against those who protested him, I wonder how anyone thought that wouldn’t spill over into the world outside the rallies?

    I understand it was a bit of taking a gamble in the midst of a truly horrible set of candidate options, but one candidate operated with a litany of divisive rhetoric, and did his best to “other” as many groups as possible (not spin – his words), yet he still came out as the top pick for many people.

  • Sarah

    “I seriously doubt there are any white supremacists present here.” Except for Dirk…

  • LadySunami

    As my dear mother always used to say, all is fair in love and war. What outcome did the Japanese envisage when they attacked Pearl Harbor? I assume not two atom bombs, but that was the outcome. That is what comes from war, death and destruction, deal with it.

    So your response to over 100 thousand civilian casualties is “Deal with it”? You are the epitome of callousness…

    A dominant species gets to set and determine the boundaries and conditions within its territory. The weaker species within that territory either gets with the program or gets killed. That is the natural law that is equally applicable for animals as for humans.
    This is what you are describing in the above examples, the natural law, of survival of the fittest, in action. A law which no Darwinist or evolutionist will or can deny, where the most powerful race in a given territory dominants the weaker races

    It’s because of idiots like yourself that religious folk are always claiming evolution causes immorality. I suggest you learn what evolutionary theory actually says both about selection in general and about selection as it pertains to social creatures such as ourselves. If you can’t be bothered with reading the research papers themselves, at least find resources that don’t refer to “Darwinists,” “Darwinism,” or “evolutionists.” Actual scientists do not use these terms, meaning their presence in an article, book or blog post is a good indication the writer has no idea what they’re talking about.

    It is religion that teaches men kindness, compassion, charity and concern for the less fortunate and infirm.
    Science does not. It is either eat or be eaten.

    Wrong. Science is not philosophy. It only teaches people about the world, it cannot tell them what to do with that information. The theory of gravity only explains why things fall, it doesn’t tell us we should shove other people off cliffs or down stairs. If we decide to apply our knowledge in violent and destructive ways, that’s all on us.

    As for religion teaching “kindness, compassion, charity and concern” that’s often false as well. Religion just as often teaches hatred, bigotry, cruelty and violence. Christian terrorists don’t think bombing abortion clinics is acceptable because of how secular they are, nor do Westburo Baptists protest equality for same-sex couples due to an understanding of science.

    Electing Hillary was a move towards the natural order taking over, one could even claim that Trumps win is a reflection of this, where the natural order of survival of the fittest expressed as nationalism, exclusiveness, and domination brought Trump to power, an unavoidable consequence of eradicating religion from the public sphere, thus allowing the natural order of self to dominant people’s thinking.

    Actually, electing Hillary would have been a move towards kindness, compassion, charity and concern for others, which according to your view is contrary to the natural order.

    As for Trump’s rise being the result of removing religion from the public sphere, that’s nonsense as well. Trump was elected by nationalists and evangelical Christians. If you had even bothered to look at the demographics of who supported him you would know this. His advisory staff is chock-full of evangelicals as well, and his pick for Vice President is a man known for trying to impose his religion on the populace under his governance.

    If the world continues down this path of eradicating religion, as the liberals lobby for, I fully expect to see the return of slavery.

    Then you are a fool because more secular countries are also more likely to support and defend the human rights of all their citizens, unlike theocracies which tend to dehumanize those who don’t share the state religion and feel justified in in treating such people poorly as they have a being of supposed perfect morality on their side.

    After all, slavery is the wiser economic option for most businesses, but that’s a different discussion. Anyone with a basic grasp of economics and business will understand this.

    I guess I’ll add economics to the list of things you have absolutely zero understanding of. Slavery might be an economic boost in the short term, but in the long run it’s terrible for economic growth and inevitably leads to stagnation. There is a reason the southern United States was so far behind the north in terms of economic advancement, even before they lost their right to own slaves.

    —–

    I doubt Dirk is interested, but for the rest of you I offer an interesting video about the effects of cognitive dissonance and the ways in which manipulative and exploitative groups (of both the ideological and religious variety) are able to use such psychological effects to manipulate their adherents.

    https://youtu.be/IaUhR-tRkHY

    I may be a chemist, but I find behavioral psychology to be fascinating.

  • Sarah

    That was a great video! Thanks for sharing.

  • Jeff Preuss

    Yeah, um, he’s kinda hard to miss.

  • Ron McPherson

    Nah, surely not. Can’t be. It’s probably all just imagined. Not real. Cause it’s the media’s fault for reporting all those things that Trump actually said. Plus if these people had fathers who told them everything will be ok, then all those imaginary people wouldn’t be bullying them. Just go there and tell them everything will be fine cause you’re a white guy and all white people love them. That should fix it and all will be well. Or wait. I bet they’re just lying like Ben is. See, now there is no problem. It’s all fixed now.

  • Sarah

    I wonder what they are thinking now, especially with his cabinet picks.

  • Ron McPherson

    Beautifully stated

  • Sarah

    You know, I can’t help but think that a large swath of Americans will have a sort of “Stockholm syndrome” over this.

  • Sarah

    But isn’t it important to know who you’re voting for? I found the exposure of that information very helpful. It’s not like the commercials were lying. They were using *his words*!! Too funny how everyone who voted for trump wants to whitewash his aberrant behavior. Too funny how everyone wants to try to say he’s not a bigot, not sexist, not whatever, when his OWN WORDS show these accusations to be true. Don’t paint the man a victim here. Fancy that.

    What people seem to want to ignore is the fact that the head of a nation holds great influence over how the nation’s people behave. His behavior is repugnant. I despair for our nation. I thought it couldn’t get worse than GW, but holy hell, it’s a thousand times worse.

  • Jeff Preuss

    “Media spin”!

  • Bones

    Well, it’s helped show the real spirit of ‘evangelicals’…

  • Bones

    You’re probably doing that to make Trump look bad…

    You can read it on Breitbart….

    F*ck me, what has the US come to.

  • Bones

    Some of his cabinet pricks are just that……

    Trump cabinet appointments will ‘undo decades of progress’, rights activists say

    Hawkish trio – Jeff Sessions as attorney general, Mike Pompeo as CIA chief and Michael Flynn as national security adviser – have made inflammatory statements about race relations, immigration, Islam and the use of torture

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/18/trump-cabinet-appointments-sessions-pompeo-flynn

  • Bones

    Too late……

  • Bones

    Lol…globalism is part of the neolib package….Conservatives supporting big business and corporations and rampant and unregulated capitalism…..

    This all started with Thatcher and Reagan….

    How ironic that the US turns to another neolib……

  • Sarah

    Goddess, I wonder. It’s insane. The most disheartening thing is how perfectly intelligent people are buying the victimhood of poor put-upon trump- that everyone’s against him. All the media are lying (using his own words!) about him being a repugnant asshole. That we should just give him a chance. WTF?? Just look at his appointments. How people can even stomach this process is beyond me. Honestly- it’s a farce.

  • Sarah

    Face-palm.

  • Sarah

    Perhaps a little smug satisfaction is in order?
    “At #Hamilton. Mike Pence is here and the entire theater just booed him.”
    https://twitter.com/TheStagmania/status/799781231907008512

    and
    “”When your people say they hate you…” Fully stopped the song for a minute while people lost their shit. Never seen anything like it.”
    https://twitter.com/TheStagmania/status/799802054000648192

  • Bones
  • It’s going to be a very long and painful four years dealing with this ‘post-truth’ politics that you guys put forth.

    Oddly enough, I wish that you were honest and said “Jews”/”Muslims”/”Gays”/etc instead of “Communism” when we all know what you mean. At least then you’d be upfront instead of using code words.

  • Well, it is a more dangerous nation for you as a white kid if you happen to be disabled, Muslim, Jewish, LGBT, or one of a number of different traits that somehow don’t correspond with a self-exalted perfect class of ‘homo superior’ Christians who think that they’re above everyone. But then I agree greately with the essential gist of the article. Americans who support social tolerance and oppose prejudice need to just keep fighting.

  • Sarah

    “Very disturbing that so many support Totalitarian Communism.”
    You mean, as opposed to Totalitarian Fascism?

  • Ron McPherson

    I’m sure. It’s scary when people place a premium on theology and ideology over compassion of others.

  • Delta 14

    Hi JR…

    I want you to know that I love you and that you have every right to feel the way you do. Unfortunately you are not going to get a lot of sympathy from this group… and by the way, this site is in no way representative of Patheos values. These people are completely contrary to the Patheos creed. They are mostly empty headed left wing hacks and they truly despise you… not for any good reason other than the fact that you don’t agree with their politics. Definitely if you are white then your not worthy of any respect. In fact, if you are LGBT, Muslim, Jewish, or a minority, and you are in any way conservative then that’s even worse. Patheos Smasheos.

    They have no answers to your facts… and there is only 2 responses that you will get here. Either professorial pinheads with a great big H on their foreheads, who pity you for your white privilege; or the bullies who have nothing to offer but name calling. In either case, Hypocrisy and arrogance is the religion here. Don’t come here for a meaningful conversation about Patheos or Universalist concepts or thought.

    I came to this site because I wanted to expand my thinking on Universalism. The Christian philosophy that God loves humans enough to give his life for them shows that the nature of God is extremely compassionate, loving, but most importantly very forgiving. It is these characteristics of Christian dogma that are celebrated in the Patheos philosophy. I was hoping to have meaningful debates about the nature of God’s love and the extent of his forgiveness. I came to read essays on whether “Jesus loves Hitler” and my gut tells me that he does love Hitler very much. I came to read essays on whether a Hindu, Muslim, Jew, Buddist, Aetheist has a place in the “Christian” heaven and my gut tells me that they do and that it may be just as good for them.

    I was looking for a kind and friendly Patheos community… this is not that place. Hopefully you were not that surprised to learn that this crowd believes that you are “self exalted” and “homo-superior”. Clearly you are not worthy of any forgiveness just as Donald Trump and his followers should all be banned to hell.

  • Delta 14

    Sarah…

    There isn’t a person alive who hasn’t said or done things that were regrettable or objectionable. There is no perfect person and everyone has bias of one form or another. I am 100% certain that people are not as bad as they are made out to be on both sides; also, people are not as good as they think they are.

    Just to be clear… no one is denying the fact that Donald Trump said those things. Even Donald Trump admitted it and apologized for it. Some things people say in private aren’t intended for public – especially for children ears.

    It greatly disturbs me that the DNC and Hillary Clinton syndicated it to the treetops. So much for children sensitivity or advocacy for children. That wasn’t Donald Trumps fault… these are the people Dr. Corey advocates for who broadcast the hateful message – ad infinitum. If your side was so worried that it would encourage sexual crimes against little girls then you should be criticizing the DNC and the Clinton team for spending billions of dollars to syndicate it and piping it out nonstop for 6 months.

    I agree with you that the head of the nation holds great influence over how the nations people behave. I would love to hear your feedback on the following videos…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJIB5cO0cQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYmiWiNqOw

    By the way, these clips are mild compared to the content that is available on Bill and Hillary Clinton. Somehow we are to believe by Dr. Corey that his daughter is under threat of death because of Donald Trump, when his favored candidate is the only woman in the free world who has actually reverse prosecuted a 12 year girl who was beaten unconscious and then viciously raped to the point of death.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4

    You guys are so willing to forgive the debauchery from your liberal elites that it is hard take you seriously when you are so mean and judgemental to the other side who is doing 1/10th of what your side does. That is coming from a Libertarian Independent by the way so I am looking in from the middle.

    I don’t deny that Donald Trump is a shark… I mean he’s been swimming with sharks his whole life. However, Donald Trump has never done anything even remotely close to threatening Dr. Corey’s daughter compared to what Hillary Clinton actually has done. Who accuses a 12 year old girl of wanting to be raped in court and hires a twisted psychologist to falsely blame the rape victim of wanting to be raped because of sexual fantasies that she was having. Which by the way, the girl denies and everyone involved says couldn’t have happened or was irrelevant since the girl was knocked unconscious from behind while she was playing in her yard then raped.

    Not surprisingly, the little girl who was raped states that what Hillary Clinton did in court hurt her more than the rape itself. It seems to me that a rational and reasonable person would conclude that little girls need to be protected from predator attorneys like Hillary Clinton who will do anything and say anything to win. Apparently Dr. Corey doesn’t think so.

  • Maura Hart

    you seriously did not see how how racists were emboldened during the campaign for the last 2 years? 2 things “christians” take seriously, gay sex drives them nuts and god never meant for slavery to end and that jesus must there fore be white. probably with blue eyes. and a swastika. murder, lying, pedophilia, arson, wife beating, all that is ok. just don’t be a person of color, and don’t be gay. oh and rape is ok. just approach a likely woman and grab ahold of her like she was a bowling ball. obviously anatomically that is what god designed

  • Christopher R Jacquier

    It’s unfortunate for all Americans that significant proportions of them have never fully let go of their racial prejudice to this day. There are always going to be a few, even in UK, that are specifically afflicted. In the UK, there is a difference between disliking people because they are non-white and disliking immigration. Some, of course, will equate the two for political gain.
    But anyone who dislikes a coloured person just because he is coloured is so stupid, as to warrant some psychiatric treatment. I really do have pity for those coloured people affected by such cretinous views and hateful activities. Totally irrational.
    So, Trump. Well despite what I read in the news papers and see on Youtube, there is not a lot to choose between your average American man and Mr Trump.
    Clinton, however, is a different kettle of fish. From over this side of the pond, the Clinton people seem wholly corrupt and criminal or at best, just useless for the average American, serving only their own Democrat elite and their business cronies, according to what I have heard and read, anyway.
    So with Trump, I believe you had a narrow escape from another Clinton, but win or lose, surely only illegals should be concerned.
    Besides, I’m not surprised that people are worried by there being so many gun-toting crazies in America which always seem to assume they should be in charge, extrapolating even the mildest criticism of “foreigners” according to their own prejudices.
    Coloured people are no better or worse than white – many beautiful, some of them criminal and others that wouldn’t have my vote for anything.

  • Ron McPherson

    You wrote:
    “The bullies who have nothing to offer but name calling”

    You mean like this one you also just wrote:
    “They are mostly empty headed left wing hacks…professorial pinheads with a great big H on their foreheads”

    You wrote: “Unfortunately you are not going to get a lot of sympathy from this group”

    You mean sympathy like this one you wrote to Ben after he shared his heart with us:
    “…do you really think you are equipped to raise this girl. Doesn’t she deserve a father who can reassure her and give her confidence… not some fearful weenie fretting and worrying about imagined phantoms, ghosts and goblins.”

    Or how about this one you wrote:
    “I do believe that her teachers are probably telling her this… that her father is probably telling her these things. What kind of a father or teacher would say something like this to his daughter or their student? In my opinion these people are immoral child abusers.”

    You wrote: “I was looking for a kind and friendly Patheos community… this is not that place.”

    Physician, heal thyself.

  • Texas_lib

    I am terrified of the coming days and whether I will have the guts to stand up when they come to round up the Muslims and the Jews and the gays. Will I have what it takes to stand alone because surely, at least in my neck of the woods, alone is exactly what I will be. May God give me the strength to stand for those who cannot stand for themselves or who need us all to stand with them.

    I am so terrified that my country is becoming Nazi Germany.

  • Sarah

    Nelson, wow. Really stretching, now, aren’t we? The first clip shows Obama on the phone. It’s not on Air Force One, it’s during his run for president in 2008. Even if it is a “boner”, can you tell me as a man that you’ve never, ever had an inopportune erection? And he’s hardly flaunting it. He’s much more concerned with his phone call.
    http://www.snopes.com/presidential-erection/

    The second video shows Obama reading from a book. Big deal.

    On Clinton’s case regarding the rape of the 12-YO girl:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/jul/17/did-hillary-clinton-ask-be-relieved-rapist/

    I can tell you that any person who goes to court to prosecute their rapist will regret it and feel re-traumatized by the court case. It’s an awful, awful business, and I am certain that poor girl was re-traumatized. But according to the article above, Clinton really didn’t have much choice, and did her job to the best of her ability. Probably why I’ll never be a lawyer. ;)

    But, keep ’em coming. xo

  • Texas_lib

    You seriously need to check your sources. They are lying to you. No one paid anyone to riot against Trump.

    As far as Mrs. Clinton goes, she has been investigated and harassed for the past 25 years and not by people who liked her or were inclined to cover up her deeds and no one has been able to find anything on which to try her.

    As I said when I began this, you need to check your sources.

  • Texas_lib

    If you believe that why do you read it? Why don’t you go to one of the fundie sites on Patheos? If we are left wing hacks why do you get so upset?

    You also need to go read the Gospels and the Epistles. You are the one who has missed the relgious point here.

  • Delta 14

    I’ll be healed when Pres. Obama puts an $80,000 check into an envelope and mails it to me with an apology for the fact that he cost me and my family that much in increased insurance coverage and healthcare costs since the ACA. Or the fact that my family and loved ones don’t have any medical insurance now.

  • Delta 14

    Sarah… you are making my point for me.

    I am completely fine with giving Obama the benefit of the doubt ;) My wife and daughters are way more critical of the Obama tapes than I am, by the way. It might have something to do with my philosophy that people aren’t as bad or as good as we think they are.

    Will you give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt and at least give him a chance? ;)

  • JD
  • Sarah

    That was awesome!!!

  • Sarah

    No.

    Obama’s tapes are inadequate to cast aspersions on him- sorry. Trump’s, on the other hand are pretty raw stuff. It’s not just what he said in that one video, it’s his entire life:
    http://quantum-displacement.tumblr.com/post/146015554444/anti-trump-masterpost

    His choice in cabinet members is incredibly retrograde. Almost every single policy change he’s advocating hurts someone I know. I will NEVER give him a chance.

  • apoxbeonyou

    So you’ll never be healed? Got it.

  • apoxbeonyou

    Jesus is your only hope, dude. But I doubt you know him.

  • SamHamilton

    My recommendation: start a local discussion group and talk through your fears with them. Get everyone to sign a pact that when the roundups start happening, you will all stand together to fight off the local Nazis. That way you won’t be alone. You could even publicize this pact to your neighbors and surrounding communities so they’ll know you won’t stand for calls for lebensraum, concentration camps, and genocide.

  • Bones

    You aren’t in nazi Germany.

    And you most definitely aren’t alone.

  • Cousin Ricky

    You forgot one: Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. If Trump is going to listen to us, we have to figure out what’s in it for him and communicate that.

  • Herm

    You don’t pay any attention to what Jesus says, and never said.

  • Herm

    otrotierra used the hashtag when others were implying a quote of Jesus, you did not. otrotierra spoke from the authority of otrotierra and not Jesus.

    Jesus has His own disciples today and they are not known by any other religious name than little Christs according to their fruit.

    By your fruit, I repeat, you do not know what Jesus says today, this moment. You know what the Vatican says but you do not know what Jesus says.

    You would and do vote according to what the spirit of Caiaphas says, Barabbas lives, not what the Spirit of truth says who only says what Jesus and my heavenly Father says today.

  • SamHamilton

    Agreed. Whenever people jump straight to comparing politicians they don’t agree with to Nazis it just shows how shallow their historical knowledge truly is. It’s like “anything bad = Nazi” because they don’t have knowledge of any other societies in history that experienced anything negative to compare things to. Either that, or they think that shouting “Nazi” or “Hitler!” will be the easiest way to get attention to their cause even though they know that perhaps a comparison to some other, less awful, less well-known politician is more accurate. It’s just lazy.

  • SamHamilton

    Yes, fear-mongering too. I will pray, and keep a wary eye on his policies.

  • Realist1234

    So the press is to blame for reporting what Trump has said? Nothing to do with Trump’s actual words then.

  • Realist1234

    I see Trump thinks he can dictate who should be the UK’s ambassador to the US. It seems my youtube clip was spot on!

  • Herm

    Eva, I love you, God blesses us all.

  • Herm

    “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

    John 14:15-21

    As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. You are my friends if you do what I command.

    John 15:9-14

    Who did Jesus lay down His life for?

    Do you know me less than you know Jesus?

    In Him I know you!

    Love you, friend!

  • Sarah
  • Apollos

    Here’s my explanation… (good luck)
    ما بتعرف اشي بس بتتفلسف وبتغطي جهلك باستعمال عبارات دينية. بالواقع انت شايف حالك

  • otrotierra

    He won’t be able to explain, but he certainly can offer more of his empty accusations.

    More empty accusations coming in 3, 2, 1:

  • SamHamilton

    This man’s entire argument is summed up by “both men represent their personal character as the antidote to all social and political problems.” There are probably hundreds of leaders from history who could fit the bill here. The author even admits that “Trump has not been the first demagogue to capitalize on such sentiments, and he will not be the last.” So why make the Hitler comparison? There’s no reason to immediately reach for the most dastardly of all world leaders to make the case against Trump. It’s lazy and unnecessarily inflammatory.

    When Trump is gone in 4-8 years and none of the Nazi-esque things people are worried about have materialized you’ll look like fools.

  • Sarah

    Sam, at what point do you think average, everyday folks in Germany said, “Oh shit- we are under a totalitarian dictatorship!”? It is wise to be ever vigilant.

  • Bones

    Well he could explain how Muslim countries are different eg Indonesia

  • Herm

    Talk about ignorance using religious phrases … I speak whatever you might understand … you truly do not understand God/Allah. I would love to help you but you appear not to be receptive.

    The only label that seems to fit me well is a little child of God. I wish the same for you but you speak as if progressing is a bad thing. I would say that the greatest progressive social warrior was He who carried a cross for His enemies while fighting with the sword from His mouth. My Brother.

    If His example to you, as it was to Caiaphas, is talking down to others then I am guilty, also. I know how ignorant I am as a little child with an eternity ahead to learn from Him.

    This scares you, why?

  • paul ducharme

    I can say anything and do anything and they’ll still believe me and vote for me – D.Trump.
    One shouldn’t believe everything they hear on the main stream news. Most of it is propaganda and outright lies. Omission of truth is what is the American way, where freedom of the press has become freedom to lie instead of freedom to tell the truth and we all know what happens to truth tellers don’t we.
    Trust me if they are afraid and dishonoring Trump, there is a far more unknown and malicious reason for it (and note that every single network is pro Hilary (who is every bit as racist, perverted and greedy as the rest).
    They are terrified of him!
    If you people have any idea of how wicked the Hillary was you would be every bit as disgusted, and a lot of nitty gritty truth has been coming out about her and her cronies as well.
    Search wikileaks and you’ll find out far too many uncomfortable truths about these so called leaders, Americans are foolish enough to put faith in (pearls before swine).
    God knows their ways and will spread the real truth in the coming years.
    In the meantime STOP worrying. Politicians lie for a living.

  • Herm

    paul, what do you mean “STOP worrying”? “Politicians lie for a living”, “Omission of truth is what is the American way”, “Hilary (who is every bit as racist, perverted and greedy as the rest)”, etc. would scare the hell out of me if your without proof bluster were true.

    What are your trusted sources that allow you to be so all knowing?

    You do know that the first way to sway is to discredit to impotent all other sources of information than yourself playing to the heartstrings of the ignorant. Mr. Trump did just that.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/opinion/sunday/why-i-left-white-nationalism.html

    Believe it and be scared unless you are a troll for the movement taking us all back to the great 1930’s of straight, white, wealthy, male rule.

  • SamHamilton

    Well, then we might as well go around calling every leader who manifests some aspects of Hitler’s leadership qualities “Hitler” just in case. Then we’ll always be on our guard when the next Hitler really does arrive. Or will we just be desensitized because “Hitler” is applied to every leader we don’t like? Remember back when “BusHitler” was president? Oh wait…he didn’t turn out to be Hitler. But yeah, Trump is the real Hitler! And if it’s not him, it’ll be the next president. It’s like the guy who predicts the end of the world, over and over again…well, I guess some day he’ll be right.

    We need to stop comparing everyone to Hitler:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-hitler-comparisons-213711

  • katkelly57

    “Coloured people”, an odious term….might be fine in your neck of the woods, not so here.

    “surely only illegals should be concerned”, tell that to the “legal” folks being beaten, harassed and maligned by the orange one’s followers.

    As for “illegals and legals”, should we all be carrying “papers” to prove to these knuckledraggers who’s who?
    I think not.

    We didn’t do so during the early days of immigration to the US…we surely don’t need nor want it now.

  • Snooterpoot

    Interesting how bigots use “illegals” instead of undocumented immigrants. I suppose it’s to dehumanize so they feel okay about deliberately failing to follow the example of Jesus.

  • katkelly57

    It certainly is dehumanizing…on so many levels.

    I don’t mind others from outside the US commenting on the politics here, what I don’t care for is that they assume how things actually work or don’t work here….they are not living here experiencing the day in/day out realities of what people are going through in this country.

    Sure there’s racism, bigotry, et al all over the world…however, I truly can’t stick my 2 cents in and act like I know 100% what is going on in any particular place…or pretend to know how someone feels…or the nuances involved.

    It would be like me saying I understand how people felt living under apartheid in S.A., or being an ethnic Muslim living in China….it’s impossible to know it if you haven’t lived it.

    In closing, the poster should stick to what he knows…his assumptions are def. invalid.

    They are deliberately failing to follow the example of being decent human beings as well.

  • James53

    Herm, I truly love you, and I love your posts here. I detest Trump and I feel tremendous empathy for Ben and his daughter and what they must be going through. But I believe Paul is right that Hillary is every bit as much of a horrible human being as Trump, or worse.

    I’ll never forget seeing her on TV, cackling with glee and cracking inane jokes (“we came, we saw, he died”) when Quaddaffi was being brutally raped to death by a bayonet. Unprofessional is far too mild a word. This was the most depraved, inhuman act I ever witnessed from a US politician. And infinitely worse was her callousness toward what she surely knew the jihadist thugs she unleashed on Libya would do to women, children and black Africans. Not to mention setting the conditions for the rise of ISIS.

    Same thing with her coup against the democratically electef government of Honduras, leading to the mass murders of environmentalists and human rights activists. Followed by her callousness towards the child refugees from the he’ll hole she created there.

    Same with her breaking with her party to vote for the war on Iraq, her support of the TPP.
    , paying lip service to global warming while promoting franking worldwide, her admission in her speeches to bankers that she routinely lies to the public, her profit from the misery of Haiti, her eagerness to defame and demonize the victims of her husband’s sexual assaults, her dirty tricks, lies, smears and violation of rules and laws to defeat Bernie. I could go on and on. For my proof I suggest you check out the writings of Noah Chomsky, Cornel West, Paul Street, Arthur Silber, check out the leaked e-mails, her speeches to the bankers. Peruse sites like Counterpunch, Oped News, Truthdig, Black Agenda Report.

    The Democrats ran a horrible candidate who supported the US Military Empire and all the horrors it inflicts upon the world. She supported economic policies that hurt a lot of people in this country as well.

    Unfortunately, the only alternative the system could offer was a narcissistic, dishonest con artists with racist and misogynistic tendencies. It is undeniable that a huge chunk of his supporters consist of racists, bigots and bullies. But, talking to the Trump supporters I know, I think most people voted for him out of sheer desperation and utter contempt for the corruption of Hilarity Clinton and the fake “progressivism ” she represents.

    That’s what I’d like to believe, anyway.

    Herm, love to you and Ben: you and your daughter are in my prayers. I had to deal with bullying as a child and it hurt me badly, and I’m white and privileged. I cannot imagine the fear she faces. Bless her.

  • James53

    Sorry about the typos, and the autocorrect was in a frenzy tonight.:)

  • James53

    Kathleen and Snooterpoot: I agree with everything you say. I am very worried for all people of color and will do everything in my power to oppose Trump’s brownshirts. But I agree with the original poster about Ms. Clinton. She has been complicit in terrible war crimes. Just because Trump is evil doesn’t mean she is good, and the neoliberal policies she and Obama support hurt and kill a lot of people.

  • James53

    Kat. Sorry for the misnomer. Stinkin’ autocorrect.

  • James53

    I seriously doubt the “paid to cause trouble ” idea. More concerning to me is, the e-mails do show that she sought to elevate him as a candidate because she thought he would be easier to beat.

  • James53

    Nelson, nothing in this article says that all Trump supporters did things like this. But it is undeniable that Trump employed vicious rhetoric which has undoubtedly emboldened and encouraged conduct of this kind. It shocks me that you are shocked by this article. What, pray tell, is “un-Patheor like (???) about spilling one’s guts about the abuses and constant fear this girl has been subjected to. And the over 400 incidents like these that happened throughout the country. If you are not shocked by that, I think you have serious soul searching to do.

  • James53

    Trump began the campaign by saying that Mexico was deliberately sending it’s worst criminals here, including rapists, which is patently untrue. Donald Trump’s only comment upon hearing that two of his supporters beat up a homeless man was “my people are hardly passionate.” Trump encouraged people to be violent at his rallies. He used the spectacle of theatrically expelling people from his rallies – including people who did not engage in protest.

    He constantly bragged about himself. He made outrageously false and malicious statements about one disfavored group after another. He threw one man out and encouraged the audience to take his coat in zero weather, blatantly committing theft and showing a shocking disregard for human life. He’s bragged about assaulting women.

    He appointed an open white supremacist to his cabinet and another as attorney general.

    He’s vowed to deport 3 million undocumented “criminals” when the highest estimate is 300,000.

    And you don’t find any of this evil?

    I don’t know about you, but that’s not the way I was raised.

    On the other hand, most people don’t know that the number of immigrants has been declining steadily since 2008 and that Obama has deported over 2,500,000 undocumented persons, more than all the other US presidents combined, and Hillary was just fine with the same, but hey, what’s truth when it gets in the way of a good narrative?

  • katkelly57

    Clinton is far from being an angel in any way, shape or form, those policies will end up biting us, the citizenry in the butt, never the ones who create them…that is true for both sides of the aisle I suppose.

    This guy now, might as well be the devil incarnate with all he proposes and represents.

    Some say he is the Anti-christ, I dunno about that, I do feel very strongly that he, those he appoints and his minions will create great havoc on this nation and it’s peoples…esp. those that are already marginalized.

    I have been in fear, feeling even more depressed and anxious since his win….just this evening I told myself to stop it.
    I have to let go and let God…I have no control over that man nor his administration….but I will remain vigilant…I will, as I always have, stand up for others…any injustice I come across I will speak up.

    I am aware that I may be targeted for doing so…if I stand aside, who am I? Certainly not any better than the perpetrator.

    Like the verse from Bob Marley’s Redemption Song…
    “How long shall they kill our prophets, while we stand aside and look…”

    We’ve been standing aside for far too long…if we look away we are giving full permission to tyranny.

  • James53

    I’m scared too, Kate, although privileged to a certain extent. I wish you all the best as we keep living in ever more “interesting “times.

  • James53

    Oh, and Hillary is not a communist, socialist, progressive, or “liberal” in any wax except in regard to a few “identity politics” issues of no concern to the elites she serves. I would characterize her as a right-wing, neoconservative, neo-McCarthyist Russ opponents tool of the global banks, corporations, military-industrial surveillance fascist US Empire.

  • katkelly57

    Backatcha James…history is being made all around us.
    G’nite.

  • Keith Taylor

    I hope you’re right. And you well may be. One reason is that the world has already had a Nazi regime that came close to triumph, has already had Hitler, and it knows where that ideology leads.
    But …
    There are too many resemblances already. Hitler promised he’d make Germany great again. Trump promised — ran on the slogan — that he’d make America great again. Hitler offered his people scapegoats to blame for all his country’s troubles. Trump offered his people scapegoats to blame for all his country’s troubles. Hitler constantly made the most astonishing statements without even trying to back them with logic or facts, just said them as if they were firmly established fact. And people bought them. So with Trump.
    Mightn’t be cause for panic, but it is disconcerting.
    And his election at the least gives a lot of encouragement to mean-souled racist bullying. More than bad enough.

  • Keith Taylor

    I’d like to believe that, Mr. Jacquier. And maybe you’ll be proved right. I would love it. You may well be right about the Clintons, too. I’d far rather have seen Bernie Sanders in the Oval Office.
    But Trump? Saying you see little difference between Trump and the average American man strikes me as pretty insulting to the average American man. He has a long record of crooked, or at best inept and shifty, business dealings. He shows signs of narcissistic personality disorder by the strict textbook definition of that state. Yes, lots of people did vote for him because the alternative was Clinton, and wouldn’t have voted for him in a brain-damaged fit, otherwise. Myself, I suspect that he doesn’t even care about being president, except as he can ransack the office for his own personal profit and his cronies’, and will leave it in smoking wreckage the way he’s left the businesses he mismanaged. Unless he’s impeached first.
    It may come to that. I suspect the U.S.A. is about to experience a more crooked and paranoid president than Nixon.

  • Keith Taylor

    READ IT ON BREITBART????!!!!?
    I read some stuff on Breitbart for a long as I could stomach it. Now I hear that Trump has been elected and the former top man of Breitbart is his chief advisor. Agree with you absolutely on one thing, your closing sentence.
    F**k me, what HAS the U S come to?

  • SamHamilton

    I agree that the racist bullying is bad enough. But all the things you’ve mentioned above are things other disreputable (and even some non-disreputable) leaders have said and done in the past too. I mean, saying “I want to make our country great again” isn’t exactly a slogan confined to use by awful leaders.

  • Delta 14

    James – It’s all small potato’s. You stated it perfectly by pointing out that Obama has deported millions and that Hillary would do the same. Your own narrative is really what has caused so many people who voted for Obama in the past to reject your politics. Where is the hope and change that Obama promised?

    I had great medical insurance before Obamacare and I got kicked off my plan every year since Obamacare became law. Finally last year I couldn’t afford insurance and as of Jan 1 2016 my family and I are now uninsured. I added up the added costs of increased premiums and deductibles due to Obamacare and it has cost me and my family $80,000. My daughter’s entire college fund was spent on increased insurance and medical costs. Now she and I are having to take out student loans which is a total rip off. What they are doing to my daughter’s generation is criminal… 9.65% interest on her student loans… give me a break!

    There are millions of people like me too… but you are not reading about it on CNN or MSNBC. According to you, all white people are “privileged” and deserve to be screwed. Anyone who says anything that doesn’t agree with you is racist or a white supremacist. Black lives are the only lives that matter.

    You choose to ignore the 1,000’s of hate crimes committed daily by the left. Or the institutional corruption committed by your party. Or the fact that the democratic party spent billions of dollars spreading the racism and hate across this country. To say that Trump’s rhetoric is evil – then spend over a billion dollars to syndicate it into every home in the country is hypocrisy of immense proportions. The real message to you and the democratic party is that we are all sick and tired of YOUR hypocrisy and rhetoric.

    Stop calling people racists who are not racists. Stop calling people white supremacists who are not white supremacists. Stop blaming your problems on “white privilege”.

    By the way… my mother was a Mexican citizen and her side of the family live in Mexico. I have deep ties to Mexico and I love Mexico and I have thought about getting joint citizenship, which would be really easy for me to do.

  • James53

    Where do you get the idea I am a Democrat or support their policies? I loathe Hillary Clinton and Obama. I didn’t vote for Clinton in 2016 or Obama in 2012. I don’t vote for war criminals who did nothing but expand Bush’s wars and further destruction of our civil liberties. I voted for Obama in 2008. I knew from looking at his corporate donor list that he would not keep all his promises to end the wars, repeal the Patriot act, close Gitmo, etc.I thought he would at least keep some of them though. When he put the final nail in the coffin of habeas corpus with NDAA and proclaiming the right to assassinate US citizens without due process that was the final deal breaker. Why do people assume that if you criticize one side of this absurd, rotten duopoly of two hideously right wing parties, that I must necessarily support the other one? There are more than two opin