Why We’re Still Unwilling To Admit To Systemic Racism in America

Why We’re Still Unwilling To Admit To Systemic Racism in America August 15, 2014

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If you’re not up to speed on what’s happening in Ferguson, Missouri, I hope you’ll go read up. What’s happening right now is a window into a very important chapter in our nation’s history– a chapter that will challenge us, and invite us to change if we’re willing.

After talking about the unjust killing of Michael Brown, and so many others like him, and after combing many of the messages I’ve received as a result, I’ve come to a conclusion:

We’re still not ready (at least on a large scale) to admit to the existence of systemic racism in America. Just bringing the issue up got me called a “race baiter”, “ignorant”, and all sorts of other stuff– but whatever.

The realization that we’re completely unwilling to admit to the existence of systemic racism saddens me, but something I believe to be true nonetheless. The piece that completely tipped the scale for me was this piece which illustrates the response to protestors in Ferguson compared to protesters at the Bundy Ranch. At the Bundy Ranch, armed whites confronted the government to stand along side a rancher who’s been stealing from the government. They went as far as having weapons drawn on the police– and the response? The government backed down.

Compare that to Ferguson, where protesters have been met with police who were more armed up than the folks I served next to in Operation Allied Force (and I’m not even kidding).

It’s all just so… insane.

The question becomes, why? Why is it so difficult for us to just stop, look around at our country, and humbly admit, “yes, American culture still exhibits systemic racism”?

Here’s what I think:

1. If we admit to the existence of systemic racism in America, it will prove false the American narrative so many of us grew up believing.

I grew up believing in American Exceptionalism, the idea that we’re the greatest country in the history of the world. To further the narrative, we were taught that America was a “Christian” nation founded on “Christian” principles. However, if it’s true that wide-spread systemic racism exists in America, the narrative we were taught cannot be true. The “greatest nation in the history of the world” wouldn’t oppress people because of race. A “Christian” nation wouldn’t be busy maintaining a justice system that disproportionately impacts minorities.

We can’t admit that systemic racism exists, because that will mean the narrative we were taught about America is a huge lie.

2. If we admit to the existence of systemic racism in America, it makes us guilty.

Those of us who are Christian are probably well aware of the concept of sin. However, in many versions of Christianity, sin has been reduced to a wrong action of an individual– we have completely lost sight of the concept of “corporate sin”, which is wrong action by an entire group of people. Systemic racism is a corporate sin, and all of us who prop up, support, or tolerate the system, bear part of the guilt. We can’t admit to the existence of systemic racism because admitting such a truth would mean admitting that we have done something wrong– either directly, or by neglect. Remember, the Bible defines sin not just as a wrong action but also as a failing to take a good action (James 4:17). We don’t want to admit it because we’d have to admit that we’ve been complicit in the sin by not addressing the sin.

3.  If we admit to the existence of systemic racism, it would demand costly change.

Change is never all that popular, but costly change is even less popular. If we were to admit to systemic racism we would also have to admit that something needs to change– and ridding ourselves of a system that is tilted overwhelmingly in our own favor would be too painful and too costly. Let’s just be honest: we enjoy the privilege we have, and for many of us, it feels like the system is “working” because it’s all rigged to work in our favor. Changing the system and reforming the culture so that others can be equal to us in all respects? That would be too costly and painful of a process.

I get it. There’s always going to be a giant mix of people in this country, and some are going to insist on sticking their heads in the sand. Many will opt to live comfortably with a faux sense of living “justly” instead of the far more difficult choice to live and walk in truth.

However, for those who are Jesus followers, we have an important role in all this– one that we cannot reject and still call ourselves Jesus followers. We have been called to be “ministers of reconciliation” to the world– people who reject power and privilege in order to live lives that reconcile people, reform broken systems, and make the world a little more just.

 I believe that part of the task for Jesus followers in this time, in this place, and within this culture, is to usher in a season of reconciliation for our country. It will be hard work, it will make you unpopular, and it will involve some costly choices. While I believe that there are thousands ready to live like Jesus lived and to carry on his message of empathy, inclusion, and reconciliation, we must first face the following fact:

We cannot begin addressing this problem until we’re willing to admit this problem exists.

May we, the people of Jesus, live in reality– even if it is a difficult reality that invites us to sacrificial change.

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  • Timothy Weston

    Thank you for this honest column. Race is the big elephant in the room for America: No one on any end of the political spectrum wants to acknowledge it. It will take a minimum of two generations to abolish systemic racism.

  • gimpi1

    …response to protesters in Ferguson compared to protesters at the Bundy ranch.”

    Wow. Damn fine point. Wave a sign while young and black, get tear-gassed. Wave a gun at officers while old, conservative and white, get gently talked down and allowed to leave. I had totally forgotten about Bundy and those who rallied to him.

    OK, all you folks claiming there is no systemic racism in the U.S., can you explain the difference in response in Michigan and Nevada?

  • Guy Norred

    I fear it may take even longer.

  • “Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.” ~ James Baldwin

  • otrotierra

    Thank you, Ben!

  • Didn’t the cops bring the Bundy protesters pizza?

  • Jordan

    Your comparison of Bundy and Brown is a very compelling point, but “…a rancher who’s been stealing from the government” made me laugh. That’s like stealing from a cartel of thieves, the same cartel of thieves that disproportionately fill prisons with non-violent black men and forces me to pay the salaries of the privileged trigger-happy thugs who kidnapped and beat them.

    I’d love to become a cop to change things, but I wouldn’t able to sleep at night if my job was to strap on a pistol and drive around town looking for trouble.

  • But isn’t stealing, stealing? I’m just not sure it matters who we’re stealing from.

  • No where have I ever read there were degrees of sin :)

  • Timothy Weston

    Mr. Bundy refused to pay the government land grazing fees for nearly 30 years and owed over US$400,000 in back fees. When someone is using another person’s land without compensation, that is theft no matter who the owner is.

  • JMartinMul

    If it doesn’t cause anyone to pause a bit when they see the pictures released today of Mr Brown physically shaking down a store owner a short period of time before Brown was killed, why doesn’t it? It’s a form of racism too. Most people have already concluded what happened without the actual full picture of evidence.

    What’s that a sign of?

    It’s a sign of irrationality.

  • Willow Bird Baking

    Some people also lack empathy to the point where if it’s not happening to them, they struggle to believe it exists. Especially if not only does the phenomenon not hurt them, it helps them. They don’t want to believe their privileged position is privilege. They want to believe it’s the way things should be, that they got there fair and square.

  • Palmguy

    “After talking about the unjust killing of Michael Brown…”

    Unless this statement is *only* predicated on a general belief that there’s no such thing as justifiable use of deadly force, it is incredibly premature. You weren’t there and you haven’t seen all the evidence. Neither have I.

  • SantaD

    And this article is why I said you are just as much a race baiter as some of the others.
    There’s a big difference in the Ferguson and Bundy scenes.
    I agree with you, there is systemic racism is this country, and in every other country. Your article just fuels that. Much of the systemic racism comes from the black community today. With Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others adding fuel to the flames.
    The military force response in Ferguson was in reaction to the rampant destruction and looting of property. Did you see anything like that in Bundy?

    I don’t know the full story of what happened in Ferguson. You don’t either.
    What we do know is that there was a lot of adrenalin flowing. Most likely the policeman over-reacted. That was wrong! Had Brown been a white man, it could easily have happened the same way. It just wouldn’t have made the news.
    Nor, would it have had the violent reaction.

    Ben, I grew up in Mississippi with family ties to AL,GA and TN.
    My dad taught us that all people are equal. We had friends from all walks of life. My church was one of the first to have black members and I’ve spent many days in traditionally black worship services as well. Was there discrimination? Of course! Is discrimination active today? Yes.. In every state and every country on earth. But, it goes both ways.

    Until we quit feeding the flames, the fire will continue to grow. And you, my friend are one of the people that helps feed the flames. Listen to Johnathan Gentry, Carl Boyd Jr. , Carol Swain and Ben Carson. We need more people of color like them to stand up and speak louder. They are a big part of the solution. It’s certainly not you and others that keep supporting the radicals.

  • NCMountainGirl

    What a load of tripe! The facts about the Brown shooting are in flux, but the author has already condemned an entire nation. Shame on him!

    Two generations after discrimination du jure was abolished in America
    racism remains an issue for one and only one reason: People such as the author have learned they
    can make money, gain attention and obtain power by pointing fingers and calling all those other Americans racists.

    What’s really funny about that is that the people who are wont to call everyone else racist often are the ones who who don’t seem to have any acquaintances who aren’t also smug, mostly upper middle class liberals obsessed with race. Get outside of the confines of college campuses, Democrat political headquarters and, unfortunately, more than a few religious chancelleries, and it becomes very hard to find examples of racism. in America.

  • D.K. Fynn

    Interesting comparison to the Bundy stand-off.

    Playing Devil’s advocate (and trying to be a critical thinker), I will critique that comparison:

    1. The Bundy-Brown incidents can each be seen as isolated cases. Although it seems that there have been at least one other Brown-like case of late (that man who got choked to death), we’d have to see more Bundy-like cases to have a more representative basis to draw conclusion from.

    2. Maybe the police in Ferguson, Missouri have different…how do I say it…rules of engagement than those in Nevada.

    By no means am I down-playing the significance of your article and your points being made. I’m just trying to think scientifically.

  • To me the photograph at the top of your articles speaks volumes. The problems in Ferguson prove the the truth of John Muir’s famous quote “When we try to pick out something by itself,we find it hitched to everything else in the universe.” The militarization of law enforcement should concern everyone because it leads to an us versus them mentality which sees heavily armed response as both necessary and logical. As more and more people are forced to the margins it is only a matter of time before the same tactics used in Ferguson are used to suppress all forms of dissent even if they are nonviolent and legal. You have only to look at the response to G20 protests to see that this is true. Couple that with systemic racism and you have a recipe for disaster. As Jesus followers we are called to stand against empire and I fear that will increasing place us in harms way even if we are committed to nonviolence.

  • Hard to find examples of racism in America? I’d love it if you could call my daughter and console her the next time she’s bullied by white kids and told to “go back to wherever she came from”. She’d be encouraged to know that the racism she experiences is just a figment of her imagination.

  • Allegedly. Many have pointed out the differences between the man in the video and Mr. Brown. But regardless, the chief of police himself admitted that what happened to Mr. Brown had nothing to do with the robbery.

  • West Winds

    This is such a silly question, I can’t believe they are asking it.
    Short answer: By comparison, how many Black, Hispanic or American Indians do you know that are billionaires? All of our billionaires are predominantly White and we no longer are a democracy after the coup d’etat formally initiated by Ronald Reagan and polished up by George W. Bush’s unPatriot Act, we are now a Fascist state (big industry money buys governments; state and federal.) As the saying goes: Follow the money.

  • mttiro67

    Are the “people of Jesus” willing to admit that the president you voted for, twice, is not willing to address this racism? That he is, in fact, guilty of encouraging this racism? That he does, demonstrably, divide the nation on the basis of race? Oh yes, we’re all guilty, for sure, but the “people of Jesus” who put this racist man in the White House are at the front of the line. You “people of Jesus” confess first, and then you condemn the rest of us. You take the 39 stripes first, and then maybe we’ll listen to what you say about America. But . . . YOU FIRST.

  • Interesting tactic: blame the black president.

    The more folks like you comment, the more true the OP becomes.

  • Discussing systemic racism fuels racism? Is that sort of like how writing about murder fuels murder or writing about robberies fuels robberies? It’s a foolish accusation.

    The best thing one can do to darkness is shine light into it. If that makes those living in the dark uncomfortable, I’ll accept the consequences– because shining light onto injustice is the right thing to do.

  • Guess it shouldn’t be surprising that posts like this might lead to a troll infestation. Glad you’re active in the comments.

  • Laura Bourdo

    I am always fascinated and a little cynically amused by white folk who claim that folk of color are also racist. I would like to point out that, from a socioeconomic point of view, this is simply not possible. Racism is defined as the majority racial group of a culture believing that their race is superior to others. The secondary definition adds in the concept of power and oppression. Therefore, racism is a label for racial power being wielded by the perceived superior race over the perceived inferior one(s). Thusly, it logically follows that the oppressed race cannot be racist, for they have no power and cannot actively oppress the race in control. Yes, they can be prejudiced, but they cannot be racist. This is not a question of splitting hairs, however. The bottom line is power. White, male, heterosexual, college educated, upper-class folk hold the power in this culture, by and large. (There are always minor exceptions, but the total numbers show that this is true.) As the powerbrokers, they are not inclined to share or dilute this control by including anyone else in the mix. Enter oppression — the exercise of power in an unjust manner. This racist ideology far outweighs the influence of “reverse-prejudice.” There is no denying that racist oppression still exists in this country, or reverse prejudice would not exist either.

  • SantaD

    No, discussing systemic racism doesn’t fuel it. But, this isn’t what you are doing. You are taking one side of the issue and supporting it. Just like your comment “blame the black president”
    It’s not the fact that he’s black, it’s the fact that he does nothing to help anyone. I don’t care if he is pink and orange polkadot.
    He is contributing to the destruction of this nation.

    If you really want to discuss racism, why not include the racism of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others?
    No, Ben, you are not shining a light on a problem, you are still pandering to the hysteria of today’s society.
    Unfortunately, from what I’ve read you rarely respond directly to a question, you twist it to fit your opinion.

    By the way, your question “Is that how writing about murder fuels murder?” is correct. When you glorify that murder, it sometimes does do just that. Consider this report, “Purge” fears have caused the St. X scrimmage to be moved from tonight at St. X – to tomorrow morning at 11:30 at Simon Kenton

  • SantaD

    So, what do you call it Laura?

    ra·cism
    [ ráy sìzzəm ]

    animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races

    How long is everything going to be blamed on race?
    Interesting how people like Ben Carson, Carol Swain and every other successful person of color doesn’t scream racism at every challenge.

    My white male privilege has done nothing to help me financially in my 61 years. Some of my problem have been circumstantial, some because I wasn’t a good steward of the blessings God provided, but none is because of some perceived prejudice.
    We all have an opportunity to succeed, especially in this age.
    If a young black girl in Mississippi, with no dad and a crack-addict mom can succeed on her own, until she is discovered by her school to be living on the streets, there’s no reason any healthy, able bodied person can’t.
    This young lady worked 2 & 3 jobs, was valedictorian of her class, earned more scholarships than she could use and is now successful.
    I was fortunate to meet her in high school. She is an inspiration.

  • Th

    Why We’re Still Unwilling To Admit To Systemic Racism in America?

    Because it means we would have to do something about it. It means we would have to come to terms with our own power. It means we would have to reorient our creativity in the direction of a society of Love, justice, and peace. After all, who needs those things when our culture already has its hands full producing the things that really matter?

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.toy-tma.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/PEZ-Lineup.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.toy-tma.com/vintage-toys/pez-retrospective/&h=300&w=400&tbnid=UZEnIU3clFquNM:&zoom=1&docid=vOAIb0qGhl95VM&hl=en&ei=HbrvU4nKG8_4oATap4CwBQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CDAQMygSMBI

  • Palmguy

    Racism is defined that way by who, exactly? You? Because it *isn’t* defined that way by Oxford, Merriam-Webster, et al….

    Just curious…are you asserting that only collective bodies can be racist or can individuals be racist as well? If the latter, what power do I hold as a white heterosexual college educated middle class male that gives me the special ability to be racist? Also if the latter, why can blacks [or anyone else] who legitimately hold power not be racist? Barack Obama and Eric Holder have a good deal of power….are they capable of being racist? Is it possible? What about a white woman?

    The fact is, individuals of all colors are capable of being racist, and are racist. Pretending that blacks are somehow immune from harboring evil thoughts and conducting evil actions just because whitey runs the show is absurd. Racism won’t cease to be a problem in this country (or world, really) until people take responsibility for their own actions and look at each other through God’s eyes and not through the prism of race.

  • JMartinMul

    Maybe Brown’s own behavior at the store had an effect on his own behavior later.

  • Once again, alleged behavior at the store. And we have eyewitness accounts of his behavior later: he knelt on the ground with his hands in the air.

  • Palmguy

    A “coup d’etat” was “formally” initiated by Ronald Reagan? Do go on…

    Not a fan at all of the Patriot Act, however, I’d point out that the Patriot Act had a 10 year sunset provision and was due to expire in 2011, nearly three years after George Bush left office. Wonder why it’s still in effect……

  • mttiro67

    1, If you’re trying to build up your blog, insulting the people who take the time to respond is the wrong way to go. 2, There is not *systemic* racism in America, but there is still some racism, as there is in every country on earth. Big difference.

  • Say what???

  • I am a white woman who has lived her entire life in the south. I see and hear acts of racism every single day. It is systematic here, It’s deep seated, its built on lies, as people try to justify their racism by either rewriting history, or ignoring the facts.

    The vehemence against our current president, who has actually been doing a good job, is because he is black…that’s it, no other reason. He’s hated for racist reasons. And yet he’s handled the vehemence against him with dignity and candor. He has spoken repeatedly on the topic, and is one of many, black, white, brown, multi-hued, who is speaking out and working to overturn racism in this country for good.

  • Ask Congress.

  • No, you can go to your local hospital, court, job fair, unemployment office, Walmart, church, McDonalds, and if you really want to open your ears and eyes, then you’ll see the evidence of systematic racism. It makes me angry and so sad every time I hear and see it in action,,, and frankly I”m tired of being angry and sad on a daily basis for this reason.

  • SantaD

    You really drank the kool-aid didn’t you allegro.
    Please tell us how obama has worked to overturn racism.
    Why is it that when someone disagrees with him, we are automatically accused of being racist? I don’t care what color he is, he is a terrible leader.
    I’ve heard it before, no one can actually quantify the “good job” this person of privilege has done. Obama has no clue what it’s like being a “black man”. He’s lived a life of entitlements from birth
    Doesn’t matter where you live, you can see and hear racism everywhere. I’ve seen more racism in the northern states than south for years.
    The problem is, we see what we want. I grew up in the south as well. My mother’s best friend was a black lady.
    I worked and played with people of color all my life.

  • Palmguy

    You might also want to ask a guy who lives in a big house on Pennsylvania Avenue.

  • West Winds

    If you are making any legitimate points, they are not evident. Reagan is the one who introduced “trickle-down” economics and the F(r)EE Market to America through David Stockman who later told Reagan it was terrible economics and to vacate it but Reagan stayed the course. Stockman took the Friedman brothers trickle down theory of economics and turned it into a model for Reagan’s administration to implement.

    And as for the time continuum, I said “we are now a Fascist state” which would suggest that contrary to any sunset clauses the corruption lives on. You’re just another online troll looking to make trouble.

  • sharon peters

    one person at a time.

  • sharon peters

    either/or,black and white thinker think again!

  • sharon peters

    I think there is no ‘you ppl’ there is only you and me & our hu-man-a-tee!

  • sharon peters

    the word ‘subaltern’ comes to mind as I think about our prez. here is a quote by bell hooks I want to share

    [There is] no need to hear your voice, when I can talk about you better than you can speak about yourself. No need to hear your voice. Only tell me about your pain. I want to know your story. And then I will tell it back to you in a new way. Tell it back to you in such a way that it has become mine, my own. Re-writing you, I write myself anew. I am still author, authority. I am still [the] colonizer, the speaking subject, and you are now at the center of my talk.

    — BELL HOOKS “Marginality as a Site of Resistance” (1990)

  • sharon peters

    troll alert;
    please don’ feed the trolls.

  • Yup, and the comments/emails I’ve received this week have 100% convinced me.

  • sharon peters

    thx for this;
    ‘The militarization of law enforcement should concern everyone because it leads to an us versus them mentality which sees heavily armed response as both necessary and logical. As more and more people are forced to the margins it is only a matter of time before the same tactics used in Ferguson are used to suppress all forms of descent even if they are nonviolent and legal.’
    well spoken!
    “Ich bin ein Berliner!”

  • sharon peters

    Comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable.

    ~Finley Peter Dunne

  • sharon peters

    respectfully what is your race?

  • Nope. I’m not going to play with you. I have much more interesting things to do than waste my time sharing my views with you. Just so you can be insulting. Even sleep sounds more entertaining

    Have a nice evening.

  • SantaD

    Only thing near an insult is the comment about you drinking the kool aid.
    And, I should expect as much. When an obama worshiper doesn’t have an answer, they bow out.

  • I worship no person.

    And you just engaged in insult #2, which continues to prove why attempting discourse with you is a waste of time.

    Troll elsewhere. This little billy goat gruff has become bored.

  • Bob

    Many thoughts: first is that I am a Catholic, and our church has pointed out in its justice teachings that corporate sin is real and is to brought to light as we work for justice for all.

    Second is something that I learned long ago: what Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matt 5 wasn’t just pious words or a religion, but a way of life. To live as a Christian, then, is not only to follow a set of rules, but a way of life: His Life.

  • Palmguy

    I just asked a couple of questions, that’s all. Why does that “cause trouble” or warrant ad hominem attacks?

    I’m intrigued…Trickle down economics was a formal coup, ok…What exactly does the Patriot Act have to do with that?

  • Lynn Shelton

    Thank you for this article. My wife and I are Caucasians who adopted an African-American infant 17 years ago, with what we thought then was a fairly realistic expectation that raising a black child as white parents would not be an easy task. We had no real, true idea how difficult it would really be. We have struggled and suffered with our child as we discovered and experienced, on an almost daily basis at times, just how serious a problem that racism in America still is, and how genuinely systemic it still is. Sure, not many we have striven with in our efforts to insure that he was treated fairly in society would EVER use the “n-word” as such use is now politically incorrect and socially unacceptable. But the subtle, un-spoken and even unrecognized (by them) racism was (and still is) often nevertheless still there; however, to try to even hint of such a problem or motivation for his often unfair treatment would end up with us being judged as “playing the race card”. Needless to say, the damage that has been done to our son and his personal sense of self-worth and self-respect has been horrible, and my wife and I have spent more days, nights and hours than we can count crying over what we have seen that the world (in America) has been doing to him. We even tried more than one “Christian” private schools… you know what? They were some of the worst of all in their racist treatment of him! So many who TALK of Jesus’ love have no idea how little they really practice it.

  • Thank you for this comment– this is so very true. We had no idea that racism was a part of daily life for people of color until we adopted as well. And, as you say, as soon as I bring it up I’m accused of “playing the race card”.

    Keep telling your story!

  • West Winds

    It’s a package deal. Under the unPatriot Act we lost civil rights like habeas corpus (the right to due process under the law,) and posse comitatus was activated. (Posse comitatus is our military in our streets ready to kill our citizens; to wit: Ferguson.)

    Bush shut down our borders and no one was allowed to leave. We now have corporate monopolies like the consolidation of print media; we used to have over 15 hundred small independent news papers, now we have five main print outlets. Under the unPatriot Act, we also got all of the “no fly” lists and restrictions (which even put people like Ted Kennedy on no fly; ridiculous.)

    Instead of a democracy we now have the marriage of the military and the industrial complex Eisenhower tried to warn us against; Fascism.

    But it has gone even farther than that. Congress was established to listen to and represent the will of the people. These days they do neither. Instead we get clowns like Boehner saying things like, “We on the Right don’t let facts get in our way,” and Barack Obama making statements like, “I like to kill.”

    I don’t think you are “intrigued”. I think you’re gunning for a fight. You are looking for a toe hold into whatever I’ve said so you can pipe up with some ad hominem attacks of your own. I don’t like people like you. You really have nothing constructive to add to the dialectic and are only out to limelight and be destructive. I have no use for this type of person (most commonly found on the Right.) The Right has taught its followers to eschew education and fact finding or any other kind or rational thinking (because it interferes with “faith based” thinking.) I prefer people who are deliberated critical thinkers and who are only interested in problem solving; not anarchists intent on creating mayhem for fun.

  • JMartinMul

    More inconvenient facts to the “received” opinion. The simplest theory that explains all the data points ends up being the most compelling, for a reason.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

  • Palmguy

    Actually I was intrigued. I’ve heard people make arguments against trickle down economics before, which is fine; I’ve heard it referred to as a lot of different things before but never a “coup d’etat”. Didn’t understand what connection to the Patriot Act you were asserting either. Hence the questions.

    To your last paragraph, look, I really was asking questions in good faith, and I haven’t made any ad hominem attacks. Don’t pretend to know anything about me, because you don’t.

    Have a good day.

  • West Winds

    Fine. If you’re on the up-and-up, glad to know it. Can always use another person who likes to put his brain in gear for the good of the whole.
    PS: I only draw my conclusions from what you or anyone has said or done. If you don’t like the results, you might want to reconsider the messaging.

  • bill wald

    Isn’t it time for all do-gooders to admit that in the US, “racism” means “anti-African American? And then explain why white people apparently like Asian people more than white people like white people? And doesn’t “minority” mean “group median income below white median income?”

  • bill wald

    Black males are 4 times over represented as the suspect as named by crime victims.

  • bill wald

    from google

    rac·ism

    ˈrāˌsizəm/

    noun

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

    “a program to combat racism”

    synonyms:racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism,bigotry, casteism

    “Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia”

    By the way, 50 years ago, ‘Discriminating” meant to select the best, as in “discriminating men wear Brooks Brothers suits.”

  • bill wald

    How should the government stop someone from not liking someone else? Am I not “free” to dislike another person with or without a logical reason?

    Me, I’m an equal opportunity disliker of humans. Most dogs are nicer and friendlier than people. Cats, on the other hand, are mostly snots.

  • Julie

    Mr. Corey, thank you for your thought provoking articles leading us toward the “Jesus WAY”. You are so right about our race problem and the difficulties in changing it. I feel as if THE Civil War returned because a majority elected a mulato president. Why is an entire race blamed for the actions of a few?

    All the mass murders since the Oklahoma City bombing were committed by young white men and the vast majority of other murders are committed by whites, according to statistical records. People of any color have a history of reasons to fear, to which the more recent shootings (10) of unarmed black men by white men, who enforce the law, attests.

    Yet because I am white, other whites look at me without fear. My race is not vilified. I can go anywhere without looking over my shoulder or wondering how I will be treated. I can wear a hoodie, confront someone with my hands in my pockets and open carry an AK without eliciting fear or suspicion and I am never asked for ID. Police do not stop and frisk me because I “look like I might be up to something”. WHY?

    Mankind is instinctively tribal and too few of us want or seek opportunities to know persons “different” from us – any whatever way. We skew history of the world, America and the Bible in such a way that supports our tribe and battles for dominion continue through the ages. It is a huge, but essential challenge for mankind. Respect going in all directions is achieved when we get to know and learn from one anothers’ experiences, walk in each others’ shoes.

    If participating in the ’60s civil rights struggles taught me anything it was to “listen” with respect, to make room at the “table” and work together to address problems. White flight only leaves festering sores to later erupt and spill over until there is no place to run. My hope is in God who has the ultimate dominion and all the good people who follow the WAY of Jesus to demonstrate it through words and actions.

  • Heather McCuen Dearmon

    thank you, Benjamin! I have lived in Pennsylvania and South Carolina, and racism is most definitely alive and thriving. I have heard disgusting justifications of why it’s okay to be racist (without using the word racism, of course) from the mouths of believers in both the north and the south –and my husband is from Alabama and I have heard words spoken by good Christian folk that have appalled me and broken my heart. THIS video called “Brown Eyes and Blue Eyes Racism Experiment” is an eye opening experience done many years ago by Jane Elliot. She has continued to this “experiment” throughout her life, and the results are always mind blowing, especially when it’s done on adults who are much more heart-hardened than children. http://youtu.be/VeK759FF84s

  • lh

    The problem is, the people who really do hold sincere racist beliefs (while claiming that they are NOT racist and do NOT “see race at all!”) are the ones who will basically stick their fingers in their ears and say “NA NA NA I CAN’T HEAR YOU” while going on about “reverse racism” and how badly conservative Christians are discriminated against. I tried having a conversation with my parents when it was Trayvon Martin in the news, and almost got into a screaming fight with my mother because she was so hell-bent on convincing me that she is not racist and that white privilege doesn’t exist, since she personally has had financial struggles. Um, okay.

    Anyway…I haven’t even bothered to try to talk to them about Ferguson because they’ve been saying some ridiculous stuff and I just want to puke but I don’t want to be screamed at by people who can’t seem to figure out that I’m an adult and not the “rebellious child” that they think I am.

  • sharon peters

    no.

  • Jordan

    Government doesn’t “own” the land. No one does. It was here first. Government just has guns and takes so it can assert ownership.

  • Micheal McEvoy

    Benjamin,
    You are so correct about the narrative we grew up with. The myth of “America” was what prompted me to join the Marines in 1977. I left as a Conscientious Objector in 1991, joined the Mennonite Church in 2001. Getting people to admit to white/settler priviledge is not as difficult as it is to get them to even recognize it exists. We, as Christians, have a long, hard, and lonely road to travel as we attempt to open the eyes, ears and hearts of America. It is all to easy to draw a parallel to Isaiah 6:9-12:
    And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.

  • Sven2547

    There’s a big difference in the Ferguson and Bundy scenes.

    You know, after making an claim like that, I was expecting you to support it with something. Anything.

  • Sven2547

    If you really want to discuss racism, why not include the racism of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others?

    Please cite the most racist thing said by Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton in the last 20 years. Go ahead. Then act like that’s even remotely comparable to the vitriol being directed at black folks in Ferguson today.

  • paganheart

    Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are only “racist” because they say things that those living in the “White Christian Male Bubble Of Privilege” do not want to hear.

  • paganheart

    Oh really, we like Asian people more? Tell that to my sister-in-law’s Chinese husband, an immigrant from Singapore, who was just walking his dog down the street when a couple of punks sped by in a truck, yelled “go back to China!” and threw a beer bottle at him.

    Tell him “we like Asian people more” when a bunch of white guys at his (now former) place of employment cornered him in the bathroom and threatened to “cut him up” if he accepted a promotion that had been offered to him, instead of the other guy who was up for it (who happened to be white). He reported the threat to HR, and nothing was done (no witnesses would confirm his story) so he was basically forced to quit a job that he loved out of fear of his co-workers….who, according to several others who have since left, have systematically bullied every non-white employee out of the business.

    Tell my red-haired, fair-skinned sister-in-law that “we like Asians more” when people at the grocery store fawn over her “adopted Chinese daughter,” until they find out she’s not adopted (at which time some just laugh nervously and walk away, some look shocked, and some shoot dirty looks at the two of them before storming off.)

    And perhaps you’d like to tell my beautiful little half-Chinese niece that “we like Asians more” when she comes home from school in tears because the white girls in her second-grade class tell her that she can’t play with them at recess because she is “black.”

    White people in the U.S. are racist and biased against anyone who is not of white, European descent. Period. Full Stop. And I did not realize the depth of that racism and my own biases until my own family became multi-racial. And for that I am deeply ashamed.

    Those who claim we are now a “post-racial society,” and “we are all equal” are bald-faced liars, to themselves if no one else. And I despair that humans will never be fully blind to color, unless we all become blind, period.

  • bill wald

    Your sister and family should move to the Pacific North West. In Snohomish County, WA, Asians are de facto legally classified as white e.g. not minorities because they have a high standing in the community.

  • kirtking

    What response in Michigan?

  • kirtking

    “Dissent,” not descent.

  • I agree with you that this problem is deep-seated and will take costly change to eradicate. It’s a shame that the entire matter of systemic inequities in the USA plays into so many fears and anxieties that we can only approach the matter with hyperbole and grandstanding.

    To hear conservatives tell it, this nation is a shining meritocracy and racism will go away if nonwhites would stop being resentful. To hear liberals tell it, racism is simply a by-product of everyone else’s prejudices and will go away if we’re all just very nice to one another.

    The truth of the matter is that systemic inequities are the result of centuries of marginalization and disenfranchisement, and they operate independently of our personal prejudices. That’s what makes the whole issue so complex and intimidating.

  • kirtking

    No reason to think it will ever change. Humans are as hard-wired to viewing the world through racial context as they are sexual orientation. Best that can be done is to “closet” it, which really worked well for those with same sex attraction.

  • kirtking

    You really go on to suggest Palmguy is not not making any legitimate points after making this post?

  • kirtking

    It is not “like” stealing. It IS stealing. The target is irrelevant.

  • kirtking

    What are you suggesting by the question?

  • kirtking

    He has more extreme policies and positions than Bill Clinton, who was impeached for criminal behavior, and the only reason President Obama has vehement opposition is because of he identifies himself as black?

  • kirtking

    Tawanna Brawley.

  • sharon peters

    I don’t know.

  • Sven2547

    Could you be more specific? What racist thing(s) did they supposedly say?

    I keep hearing so much about how Sharpton and Jackson are supposedly such virulent anti-white racists, but when pressed to give actual examples, suddenly their detractors become mute.

  • Timothy Weston

    Two generations minimum: You need a third for it to become ingrained into thought.

  • Oops! Spell check strikes again. The wrong word spelled wright.

  • Asemodeus

    This misses the larger picture, being that we have racism in this country because it is popular and makes money. It’s the same reason why creationism and global warming denial-ism exists. It takes serious amounts of money to keep up these institutions and it reaps nice rewards for those whom control them correctly.

    Which is why you don’t see these systems in other industrialized countries.

  • The problem isn’t with racism, it’s with thugs who have no regard for the law and brutalize innocent people! That’s the deeper problem, racism is just the PC take on it that skirts the real issue of law breaking people who are not concerned with the health and safety of others!

  • Five years ago in Ferguson, a black man named Henry Davis pulled off the road to wait out a rainstorm. A cop asked for ID, ran his name, and found that Henry Davis had a warrant for his arrest. Davis was arrested on the spot and taken to jail, where he was put in an occupied cell meant for one person. When Davis asked for a cot so he wouldn’t have to sleep on the cement floor, a number of cops entered his cell and beat him so badly he had to go to the hospital to be treated for a concussion.

    The next day, they realised that they had arrested the wrong Henry Davis. He even had a different middle name than the man they were looking for. Unwilling to let the innocent man go free, they rearrested him and charged him for destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while they were beating him. They wrote out the arrest report under penalty of perjury.

    When questioned in court, the police department claimed no blood was on the uniforms. They provided faulty camera footage and destroyed the rest. In the end, no charges were filed against the department or any officers because false arrest and perjury were considered too minor to bring up legitimate charges, and Davis’s injuries were deemed to minor to consider ‘excessive force.’

    So tell me, sir, when did the thug Henry Davis in Ferguson show no regard for the law and brutalise innocent people? When he had the gall to have the same name as a wanted man, or when he rudely bled on the clothes of the man beating him?

    As I am aware, due process still stands in America. No one has the right to arrest, imprison, or execute anyone without following that due process.

  • I have no idea what percentage of the world denies global warming. But go to any industrialised nation and you will find institutionalised racism and anti-science religious fundamentalists. Canada, Australia, the UK, India, China, Russia, and let’s not even talk about the Middle East.

    Racism and religious fundamentalism are serious American problems, but they are not exclusive American problems in any way.

  • My former dance partner was adopted from Japan. She grew up in Ireland with an Irish family, speaks Irish, is Irish and has been internationally ranked as an Irish dancer.

    Do you know how many American dance companies have turned her down because she doesn’t ‘look’ Irish? She’s gone to auditions and been asked straight out ‘How does an Asian chick get involved in Irish dancing?’

    Anecdotal evidence, certainly, but the idea that white people like Aisians more than whites is refuted by the actual treatment of Asian peoples. I don’t remember internment camps being set up for white people by white people during WWII.

  • ucfengr

    Perhaps because it’s starting to look less and less like “systemic racism” explains what’s going on in Ferguson. I’ll admit to getting sucked in to the early narrative of a racist, white cop shot an innocent black kid in the back, but as new information comes out, the possibility that this was a justified shooting is looking more plausible.

  • I don’t really know anything about Henry Davis but you prove my point well, the deeper problem is a blatant disregard for law and a willingness to break the law and hurt others for your own gain. How sad!

  • Asemodeus

    You’ll see them but you won’t see them at the heightened levels we have in America.

  • R Vogel

    You nailed this, Ben. And, no pun intended, I think you can combine 1 and 2 by saying that accepting systemic racism means to recognize that we are the ones nailing Christ to the cross.

  • R Vogel

    I always direct people to this site when they try to give me the ‘post race’ speech. It is often eye opening: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

  • You’re joking, right? Serious question, have you ever left the United States? India, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, are all industrialised nations, and their religious fundamentalism often FAR exceeds what you find in the United States. Apostates are KILLED in some developed nations. Even my home has blasphemy laws still in the books.

    As for racism, yes, it’s just as virulent. Just last year a Romani family in Dublin had their girl taken from them into government care because she was ‘too white,’ and child services were certain her parents kidnapped and stole her. They kept her from her family for months until her impoverished parents could prove she was their biological daughter.

    The world is hardly the rosy utopia you seem to think it is. It’s harsh, cruel, brutal and hateful, from every side and in every society. America is no better or worse, just far more wealthy and militarised.

  • Asemodeus

    “India, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, are all industrialised nations”

    Ignoring most of Europe and Japan and South Korea.

    America is unique in that we market our bigotries en mass compared to other countries.

  • I didn’t ‘ignore them.’ Your original comment said America was the ONLY industrialised nation with racist and religiously fundamentalist systems. I provided examples to demonstrate how completely wrong you are. I don’t need to come up with a graph ranking each industrialised nation point by point for your benefit.

    Also, racism and religious fundamentalism is institutionalised and prevalent in most European countries. I should know, I’m European.

    Your final statement is again 100% false. The marketing just targets different groups.

  • Asemodeus

    “Your original comment said America was the ONLY industrialised nation with racist and religiously fundamentalist systems.”

    Marketable systems. You don’t see these numbers of creationist theme parks and book sales in America as in other countries. Nevermind their growing movie industry and dvd markets.

  • Marketable systems: You mean like how Mecca has torn down 95% of their historic buildings to throw up hotel space for the millions of tourist pilgrims who come each year? You mean like the bloody Vatican? How much cash fills the coffers from their marketing of saints’ relics and religious purification and the damned ‘Purgatory Museum,’ not to mention the huge trade in amulets and icons that supposedly have healing powers, etc. As for literature, it’s everywhere. The Buddhists of India have a huge trade in books about how to find Enlightenment. Not to mention this mammoth industry called Bollywood, which yes often has pro-Hindu themes.

    You never answered my question. Have you ever been out of America?

  • Asemodeus

    “Not to mention this mammoth industry called Bollywood, which yes often has pro-Hindu themes.”

    Bollywood is a religious fundamentalist system?

    You need to calm down and get a grip.

  • Bollywood is as religious as Hollywood. Both of them have religious niche markets that target religious communities, which are, of course, part of what you first referenced.

    For the third time, I ask, have you ever left America? Your extreme reluctance to answer tells me all I need to know.

    By ‘calm down,’ what you really mean is ‘stop refuting my arguments with contrary evidence.’

  • Nick

    How does she play into all this?

  • Asemodeus

    ” Both of them have religious niche markets that target religious
    communities, which are, of course, part of what you first referenced.”

    Hollywood is massively secular. Just look at the top five movies of last year.

    http://www.imdb.com/list/ls053986981/

    Not a single fundie movie on there.

    “By ‘calm down,’ what you really mean is ‘stop refuting my arguments with contrary evidence.'”

    You are getting hyperbolic over trivial comparisons. All the while you cannot deny that in America we have markets designed specifically to sell religious garbage and woo to people far in excess of anyone else.

  • I haven’t denied that in America we have markets designed specifically to sell religious garbage.

    I’m refuting this part of your original comment:

    “You don’t see these systems in other industrialized countries”

    And I have provided a number of examples demonstrating the exact opposite. That these systems exist in almost every other industrialised nation. Often times they are more prevalent than in America. The Italian market for Roman Catholic dogma and their ‘spiritual museums’ are an excellent example of this.

    You claimed that America is the only country in which this happens. You. Are. Wrong. Try finding the spine to admit it.

    I have been refuting your original claim. Not your strawmen arguments or the goal posts you keep switching.

    Why are you so reluctant to answer whether you’ve ever left America?

  • Asemodeus

    “And I have provided a number of examples demonstrating the exact opposite.”

    You haven’t. Pointing at Bollywood as a example is absurd.

    “You claimed that America is the only country in which this happens. You. Are. Wrong. Try finding the spine to admit it.”

    Theme parks, massive amounts of hate radio, entire television stations devoted to religious garbage, billions of dollars spent on fake medicine, millions of book sales, and thousands of churches willing and eager to spread this market around to their followers. You don’t see this level of concentrated garbage anyone else.

    “Why are you so reluctant to answer whether you’ve ever left America?”

    Because it isn’t relevant.

  • Funny, you centre on Bollywood religious films, and ignore the other examples I provided, like, you know, the bleeding Vatican.

    “You don’t see this level of concentrated garbage anyone else.”

    You are completely ignorant of religious fundamentalism outside America. Completely. You need to discover that there is a world outside your borders, and actually learn what they are like.

    But I have my answer. Try leaving the country for a bit before you start commenting on what other countries are like.

  • Asemodeus

    “Funny, you centre on Bollywood religious films, and ignore the other examples I provided, like, you know, the bleeding Vatican.”

    Which by itself doesn’t even come close to the commercial success of hate radio. You are only really proving my point by looking at these small fries.

    “You are completely ignorant of religious fundamentalism outside America.”

    You are ignoring how well American fundamentalists and science deniers have monetized their garbage for mass consumption. This is the important distinction that you cannot cope with since you are too fixated on just one argument.

    Speaking of which:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/08/19/answers-in-genesis-would-rather-you-didnt-talk-about-this/

    Where else on the planet is a creationist theme park getting built with government subsidies?

    “But I have my answer. Try leaving the country for a bit before you start commenting on what other countries are like.”

    Logical people can know that you don’t need to experience something first hand in order to evaluate it.

  • As I said, the Vatican has a Museum of Purgatory, showing clothes and furniture burned by Hell’s flames. You know what helped build it? Government subsidies.

    I’m not saying the systems are equally profitable. I’m saying THEY EXIST. Which they clearly and demonstratively true.

    You said they don’t exist. Not that they’re not profitable. That they don’t exist. You’re inability to concede this point in the face of contrary evidence speaks much more to your logical ability than mine.

  • gimpi1

    Brain-Fart, Kirtking. I meant to type Missouri. I was also sending an e-mail to a friend in Michigan, and I cross-pollinated. My bad.

  • gimpi1

    What extreme policies does President Obama have? For that matter, what extreme policies did former president Clinton have?

  • gimpi1

    I live is the Pacific Northwest. We don’t legally categorize people by race in any way that I’m aware of. What are you talking about?

  • Scotty

    Whether you believe it or not, you and people like you are adding to the racist problem. By posting crap like this, you are encouraging white people to be ashamed of their own race, and encouraging black people to hate white people. I understand that you feel the need to say “Wake up white people, you are doing it wrong”, but you are doing it wrong. Yes, racism exists in this country. But you are more concerned with white toward black racism than any other form of racism (it would seem by the few posts I have read by you). The worst part about your logic is that you “know” you are right. An example of my belief that you (and people like you) are conditioning black people to hate or distrust white people: I was in the army for 7 years, during the last 5 years, I was the leader of a small team of communications guys. I had 3 guys that worked directly under me. 1 of the 3 was a young black guy. This guy was a piece of shit, not due to the color of his skin, but because he used the color of his skin as an excuse to not do what I told him. He even went as far as telling me one day “I have trouble following orders from a person of your color because I was once questioned about stealing from a white cop.” Is this a reason to assume that any and all people of my skin color are bad and out to get him? I don’t believe so, but he did due to people telling him that he was questioned just because he was black. Idiots like you, who instead of taking a levelheaded look at the situation, only see the fact that the poor victim was a black male and the offender was a white police officer. Do I believe that this idiot police officer was wrong and should get life in prison or even death? Fuck yes I do. This fucktard chose to use a gun while (allegedly) getting his ass kicked. Is this a problem of race? I personally believe it was not a racist act, but a cowardly act that has happened many many times between “opposing” races and same races alike. [for example] My father was shot in the face with a shotgun by his cousin after (he thought) the fight was finished. Both were white, but it was still a cowardly act by a piece of shit.

    In closing, I would like to apologize for the evident anger in this paragraph. I was attempting to express my opinion without showing my anger, but as I typed and continued to think about what you and people like you are doing to this country, I felt the need to show my anger.

  • MM

    Interesting. I wonder how many Black people you know? My guess is not many. Sounds like you’re coming to a lot of conclusions because you were manipulated (at least emotionally) by one person who reported to you. Isolated incidents do not make systematic racism, but collective repeated patterns do. So while there are incidences of police misconduct against both Whites and Blacks, tremendous statistical evidence and profound research shows that the incidence against Blacks are much more severe and in much higher rates. Regardless of this, Blacks do not hate Whites. There have been many people, Black and White, that have fought for justice. People like Benjamin improve race relations by telling the truth. The truth provides an opportunity for us to improve and make all of our lives better. The truth should motivate us to take positive action,.

  • Scotty

    You do realize that statistics indicate that black people commit more violent crime than any other race, don’t you? Do you rely on those statistics, or just brush them off as “white people are let off easy”, or “a blind eye is turned when it comes to white people”? As far as “blacks do not hate whites”, this may be true for the majority, however, I have personally been picked on, pushed, and disliked just because I am white, being that part of my life I was in a predominantly black school. Even a few incidents happened later when I was in a predominantly white school. The reason I even mention the school bullying is because there are a few times when the words “white boy” or “white trash” was thrown in there. In the event that someone mistreats you, and uses these words, is it really hard to believe that you were picked on or hated just because you were a different color? People like Benjamin do not improve race relations. They attempt turn something that has no obvious evidence of a hate crime into just that. Like I said, racism is real. Some white people hate other races just to hate other races. Some black people do the same. There are racists from all races. So no, this guy does not tell the truth, he turns a story of misconduct into a race issue. Yes the cop was a piece of shit who (apparently) does not understand what escalation of force means. But this does not mean that the victim was killed because of the fact that he was black.

    I would like to use your quote: “The truth provides an opportunity for us to improve and make all of our lives better. The truth should motivate us to take positive action,.” I agree with you 100%, but don’t you think that a better subject for this news story would be something more like “The use of lethal force on an unarmed America”? Where we would discuss the use of excessive force instead of turning this into a race issue?

  • MM

    Actually Black people do not commit more violent crimes than any other race, and statistics do not say so. ( I don’t believe that Hitler was Black and he killed over ten million people.) There are many lies promoted about Black people. I could go on but I won’t because you do not like the truth. So what you got teased as a kid, every kid does. Yes racists belong to all ethnic groups, but as I pointed out previously systematic racism is something different. It’s not what particular individuals do on a given day, it is what happens to Blacks as a whole. Calling someone “white boy” may (or may not) hurt feelings, but does not kill them, does not deny them equal opportunity, does not deny them the right to vote, get a quality education, get a deserved promotion, etc., etc. That’s the difference. By the way research (and statistics) show that Blacks, as a whole, do not discriminate against Whites. So goodbye buddy. Take some classes, read some books, and cool off.

  • Scotty

    I know that you know that I am referring to modern society, not 70 years ago. And yes, you should do research for yourself, and educate yourself on the fact that my previous statement regarding black people and violent crimes is true in this nation. The reason I brought up statistics is because you brought “tremendous statistical evidence”. My point was that you were relying on statistics. Then you turn and tell me “there are many lies promoted about black people” when I bring up more statistics.
    I did not once say in any of my statements, nor in the real world, that “Blacks, as a whole, discriminate against whites.” But the discrimination does exist (“this may be true for the majority”).
    To use another quote: “I could go on but I won’t because you do not like the truth.” I believe this to be true in regards to you. I believe that you like to feel discriminated against (if you are anything other than white). I believe that you want to be a victim in the same way that my subordinate (mentioned in the first post) did.
    Goodbye to you, buddy. It truly saddens me that you (as indicated by your statements) will not even think out side of your “the black man must rise against this black hating country” box. If you have not noticed, the a bunch of these people that have commented here are over apologetic white people. Which brings me to the point in posting in the first place. It was not to discuss whether or not black or white people are racist, or statistics, or vent, it is to tell Benjamin that he is only hurting a situation by insinuating that this guy was killed simply because he was black. As I said before, there was no excuse for this cop’s excessive use in force, he should be spend life in prison, or put to death for his cowardly act. But the cop being white and the victim being black does not mean that it is a hate crime.

  • Cailean

    The Vatican is a theocracy of course they’ll found such a museum.
    Lots of Israels tourism industry markets to the religious nutters of the world — many are from the USA. Though a jewish state about 50% of the pop see themselves as secular/jewish by culture.
    India, Russia and Saudi-Arabia ARE NOT 1st world countries. But hey if you want to compare the USA with them I am fine with that. You choose the bar you want to measure up to.
    Saudi-Arabia: a kingdom with a defender of the faith status. Russia: currectly rebuilding its ties to the orthodox patriarchy and India which is still ruled by Hindu and Islam superstitions is not even remotely a fully industrialised and developed country. The thing it has going for it is it’s large population.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook_list_of_developed_countries

    Many of the European states have historically a strong connection between certain branches of christianity and the state. And yet, you’ll find that religion in most of the west european states plays only an abysmal role in the life the inhabitants. Not to mention that the average atheists percentage is 20%, which of course various between places like Malta 94% godbelievers or France 40% atheists or czech republic 16% god believers. Which means there are exceptions… Ireland would come to my mind with assinine abortion laws (RCC sponsored) that just recently killed a mother and her baby (google: Savita Halappanavar) which led to an ammendment of the law. Overall though people enjoy a lot more freedom from religion than in the USA where it seems that every church has to agressivly market itself and nutters are roaming around freely and seemingly unopposed.

  • vector_ray

    Our desire to belong almost comes with a desire to exclude: ‘I am this NOT that’.

  • I humbly disagree. The REAL problem is that the system (media, academia, state and industry) largely cling to the false religion of racial egalitarianism. Until we face reality of group differences head-on, this is going to keep occurring. “White privilege” is tantamount to “yellow privilege” in these cases–that is, belonging to a racial group capable of building and maintaining a sophisticated civilization. No significant group of Afrians has ever demonstrated this capacity anywhere in the world.

  • I might be nitpicking, but what you call “racism” might very well equate to the scientific reality of group differences in temperament, impulse control, hormone levels and yes, IQ. Racial egalitarianism is the antiscientific fundamentalism and shibboleth of the West. And it’s likely to be our demise.

  • Abnaxus

    Benjamin Corey, you rock. I was raised in a specific bubble of Christianity. Today, I’d be referred to as an infidel and heathen by christian extremists. I’m an unbeliever. My brain is too literal to accept that: a perfect god created imperfect humans, only to turn around and punish them harshly (and eternally) for those imperfections.

    You’re saying the very things people need to understand (and accept).

    A white man, a stranger, approach me on a crowded street to enlighten me how AIDS was ‘your people’s’ fault. I didn’t let it turn me into a racist (I’ve met plenty dummies like him). I remained logical/rational. But it ruined my evening, my white male friends included. I didn’t tell them what was said until he was out of sight. They would’ve done something rash, and I didn’t want to see them jailed. This was 20yrs ago. The internet revealed America’s vileness in areas of race and religious arrogance/self righteousness hadn’t changed much. If anything, it feels worse. When I was small, seeing Jesse Helms spew on the floor…I really thought when I ‘grew up’, nasty, old people like that would be dead. And America would make actual progress. But ever notice how hateful people live forever? lol. They must have the best health insurance ever in Congress. As a kid, I didn’t realize hate and lies are passed down with indoctrination. America has always felt cognitively impaired and mentally ill. I didn’t naturally ‘feel’ color and borders like the world around me, yet I was constantly reminded of it by others’ behavior.

    I didn’t let bigoted christians turn me against them as a whole either. The Episcopalians down the road are pretty awesome. We have a lot of mentally ill and homeless people in town, and they feed them. I know where to donate food now. They accept gays and don’t preach persecution from the pulpit. My cousins converted (one is even a nun now) and they have some of the biggest hearts I’ve ever known. I guess they give me hope that people can one day wake up and just know what real love means.

    Maybe, one day, all their in-fighting about which group are the TRUE CHRISTIANS can stop. It’s like I live in a land of kids who are constantly screaming my daddy is better than yours and my daddy will beat yours up, you’ll see! You’ll burn! They never seem to realize how immature that sounds, and worse, their attitudes drive people away and make easy enemies. When they get really nuts with the love America or leave it (nationalism and christianity seem to be the same for the extreme), I don’t feel insulted. I just think, well Canada is only minutes away from my house……….

    Even though people would label me atheist, heathen, etc., I also dream of a day where the forward thinking Christians outnumber ‘the others’. Peace to all and g’day.

  • Emily W

    Do tell, where are Afrians from?

  • Emily W

    So many people are limited because they don’t understand different kinds of privileges… Race does not equal financial does not equal educational does not equal gendered privilege. As white people, we are taught to prove that we are not personally racists, at all costs, and thus miss the entire point of systemic racism, along with other systemic issues.

    Good on you for trying to talk with your parents, though. That’s a hard situation.

  • As Peter Tosh famously sang, “No matter where you come from, as long as you’re a black man, you’re an African…”

    Another example of their giftedness for certain types of music–civilization, not so much.

  • Emily W

    Turns out, it’s hard to build and maintain a civilization when your people are systematically enslaved and killed.

  • Emily W

    You may also want to check your world history facts on the whole civilization thing. For example, I do believe I remember Ancient Egypt being a rather significant civilization. Turns out, they also happen to have been African. Try some basic high school level history before making racist statements, please.

  • Oh, is that what’s happened? What about all those countries that never had anything but Black rule?

  • Native Egyptians are not Sub-Saharan Africans.

  • M. E. Derry

    Hello America:

    I just love it when bigoted racist whites get on these boards with their “MADE UP” or “A-BACKWARDS” supposed statistics that are supposed to show that blacks commit more crimes than any other race on the planet, but with a little research of FBI Stats they are “ALWAYS” proven wrong every time:

    Total arrests = Whites 6,214,197, Blacks 2,549,655

    Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter = Whites 3,799, Blacks 4,379 (Almost no difference)

    Forcible Rape = Whites 8,946, Black 4,229 (DOUBLED??)

    Robbery = Whites 32,945 Blacks 44,271

    Aggravated assault = Whites 183,092 Blacks 98,748

    Burglary = Whites 136,990 Blacks 61,709 (DOUBLED??)

    Larceny-theft = Whites 677,173 Blacks 284,358 (DOUBLED??)

    Violent crime2 = Whites 228,782 Blacks 151,627

    Property crime2 = Whites 855,225 Blacks 363,952 (DOUBLED??)

    Stolen property; buying, receiving = Whites 50,237 Blacks 22,687 (DOUBLED??)

    Weapons; carrying, possessing, etc. = Whites 65,317 Blacks 44,671

    Drug abuse violations = Whites 815,181 Black 365,785 (DOUBLED??)

    Offenses against the family and children = Whites 51,017 Blacks 25,519 (DOUBLED??)

    Disorderly conduct = Whites 231,604 Blacks 129,782

    Now, all of these stats were compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for the year 2013 and as you can plainly see “WHITES” commit almost “DOUBLE” the crimes than “BLACKS” in all but “TWO” categories??????

    With this being the case/fact that “WHITES” commit the “MAJORITY” of the crimes in America why is it that the “PRISON” population is comprised of almost 85% African Americans???

    These facts alone proves (without a shadow of a doubt) that neighborhood policing and the supposed Judicial System are blatantly biased, bigoted, and racist in its enforcement and in the application of the law when it comes to African Americans!!!!!!

    “NOW REFUTE THIS FACT YOU BIGOTED RACIST NEANDERTHALS!!!!!”

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43.

  • M. E. Derry

    Hello America:

    Here’s a little more truth that racist whites will never admit to about the number/rate of crimes committed by whites:

    “White on White crime more prevalent than Black on Black”

    When White on White crime takes place it’s never talked about the way it is when Blacks commit crimes.

    In the United States, a White person is almost six times more likely to be killed by another White person than by a Black person, according to FBI homicide data. In 2011, there were more cases of Whites killing Whites than there were Blacks killing Blacks. However, the mainstream media obsesses over Black on Black violence and rarely mentions the problem of White on White violence.

    These statistics have not led to a media outcry about the problem of White on White crime or the unique pathology of the White community. Nor has the White community stood up to demand change in their community like the Black community does when trying to tackle instances of Black on Black crime.

    Most White people don’t kill White people. Yet media pundits, from Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly to CNN’s Don Lemon, have no problem using the phrase “Black on Black violence” despite the fact that most Black people don’t kill Black people.

    When the news talks about gang-related deaths, they treat it as an almost exclusively Black problem. However, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by White offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were White.

    When was the last time you’ve seen on the news, discussions about a White-gang problem?

    Crimes committed by White people are explained as deviations of the individual but have nothing to do with race, but crimes committed by Blacks or Latino’s are somehow attributed to race. Gang-bangers from South Chicago have somehow become a symbol that Black men are to be feared, but you don’t get the same fear that one could attach to the brutal murders committed by Neo-Nazi skinheads.

    According to statistics from the Justice Department, White men are more likely to kill than any other racial group. When it comes to how and why people kill, Black men do, in fact, outnumber Whites in gun-related homicides, but especially drug-related offenses. However, White men top the list in most all other categories.

    When the Bureau of Justice Statistics collected homicidal rates from 1980 to 2008, they found that compared to Blacks, Whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment.

    So why does America still perpetuate the lie of Black criminality?

    Is it because one in 15 Black men are in prison? That may not explain it. The racial biases in the War on Drugs contribute to the high incarceration rates. Studies show that Blacks are no more likely than Whites to use or sell drugs. Blacks actually only make up 14 percent of regular drug users. Yet Blacks are more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and receive longer sentences than Whites.

    Should we blame gangster rap with the gun-toting rappers? If so, why can’t we blame a White man with a pistol being used to symbolize Second Amendment rights?

    http://callandpost.com/news/2013/aug/16/white-white-crime-more-prevalent-black-black.