Below is the video from the Sadhguru channel, titled Barkha Dutt with Sadhguru – In Conversation with the Mystic. Enjoy! For more of Sadhguru video’s check out the Sadhguru video tag.

Barkha Dutt with Sadhguru – In Conversation with the Mystic – Video

Barkha Dutt with Sadhguru – In Conversation with the Mystic – Transcript

Barkha Dutt: The business of introducing Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev who’s been described in many different ways in my profession by people from my profession we’ve called you a maverick (Sadhguru laughs) we’ve called you a monk on a motorcycle we’ve called you a glamorous flamboyant guru but for your devotees you are simply Sadhguru. And yet Sadhguru at a time when faith seems to be in collision with so many other questions that come up as a matter of individual liberty I think this will make for a very interesting and important conversation for our times so I would like to thank you for being part of this conversation. Let me start with the spiritual and I hope what you say today is also addressed to the skeptics. I count myself among a skeptic who if told that another human being possesses some sort of godly power I would perhaps as the first instinct not believe it but what I find interesting about what you’ve s some of your sayings as captured by Arundhati Subramaniam in this book is that you’re actually saying that what we experience beyond our five senses anything that we experience beyond the five senses can be called God can be called power or can be called yourself. So if God doesn’t necessarily exist why do we need gurus why do we need Sadhguru (Laughter)? Sadhguru: Do you drive in Delhi? Barkha Dutt: Do I drive? Sadhguru: Mhmm. (Indicating agreement) Barkha Dutt: Unlike you (Sadhguru laughs) I have a fear of wheels (Both laugh). Sadhguru: So if you drive in an unknown terrain Barkha Dutt: Yes. Sadhguru: you use these days a GPS. Barkha Dutt: Yes. Sadhguru: Usually a strange woman will tell you ‘Turn right’ you turn right. She says ‘Turn left’ (Laughter) you turn left. She says ‘Make a U-turn’ you make a U-turn (Laughter). Why? Simply because you are you’re not familiar with the terrain. When you are in an unfamiliar terrain it is sensible to take instructions. (Laughter/Applause) Barkha Dutt: So are you Are you saying gurus are the new GPS (Laughter)? Sadhguru: Not new not new long time ago we’ve been. (Laughter/Applause) For a very long time way before the GPS came (Applause). GPS means what – Guru Positioning System. (Laughter/Applause) Barkha Dutt: But you know I have to say that while I don’t drive I’ve often sat in the car and heard that girl’s voice on Google Maps and often Google Maps Sadhguru: You can actually you can actually Barkha Dutt: does not does not adv does not give you the right advice. Sadhguru: You can change it to a man’s voice if you wish. Barkha Dutt: Okay (Laughter/Applause). This beginning of this conversation perhaps underlines that you are atypical. You are atypical of what we imagine gurus to be. We expect people who don’t crack jokes we expect people who don’t have a zest for life. Somehow all of our spirituality has traditionally been centered around giving up around abstinence of some kind around abstaining from pleasures from denying creature comforts. Why do you believe that the material can co-exist with the spiritual? Sadhguru: It’s It’s not that I believe it’s only because you have a body which is your physicality you have a life within. If you did not have a body if you’re disembodied I’m not going to talk to you (Laughs) because with disembodied beings you don’t have conversations okay? I know people Barkha Dutt: People do talk to ghosts. Sadhguru: People are trying to do that these days (Both laugh). Because they’re not on talking terms with the living (Laughter/Applause) they choose the dead (Laughter) because you can make the dead speak whatever you want. The living will speak what they want it’s a big problem (Laughter). It’s a very serious problem in a conversation because I will say what I want to say if I was dead you can make me say whatever you want to say. Barkha Dutt: But can an Sadhguru: Because you can do both sides of the conversation. Barkha Dutt: But if your philosophy you hate the word philosophy I know if your technology of Inner Engineering and we’ll talk more about that in just a moment is available to all of us to in a sense find strength within ourselves Sadhguru then does that mean that the atheist and the agnostic and the skeptic can also embrace spirituality? Is Inner Engineering only for those who believe or is it for anyone (Sadhguru laughs) who asks questions? Sadhguru: The previous question is a loaded one still not answered fully. Barkha Dutt: Yes I know (Sadhguru laughs) I haven’t I haven’t given up on it yet (Sadhguru laughs). Sadhguru: Coming to this see you’re putting atheists and agnostics and skeptics together it’s a wrong classification. Atheists and theists are together they’re one kind. Barkha Dutt: Because they both have certainty. Sadhguru: Both Both believe something that they do not know. Both are not sincere enough to admit that they do not know. This is the biggest problem. The biggest problem in the world is people are still not straight enough to come to a place ‘what I know I know what I do not know I do not know’ because they have not realized the immensity of ‘I do not know.’ ‘I do not know’ is the basis of longing to know and seeking to know and the possibility of knowing. The moment you destroy ‘I do not know’ you destroyed all possibilities of knowing. So this is atheism and this is theism they’re not different they’re in the same boat they pretend to be different. One believes positively another believes negatively but they both believe something that they do not know. One (Fumbles) person a well-known person in the country who goes about claiming he’s an atheist all the time one day comes up to me somebody just introduces me first time I said “namaste’ He says ‘Do you know I believe there is no God?’ I said ‘I don’t even believe that’ (Laughter). Barkha Dutt: Do you mean Javed Akhtar (Laughter/Applause)? Sadhguru: I I’m not Barkha Dutt: That was a good imitation so I guessed (Laughter) it wasn’t difficult. Sadhguru: I am not (Laughs) taking names I am saying the thing is you also believe something you don’t seem to understand that. The most important thing is to come to this place of being utterly straight and sincere with life – what I know I know what I do not know I do not know. If you come to this much if you closely pay attention to everything around you you will see with all this scientific exploration we do not know even a single atom in its entirety that’s the fact. Barkha Dutt: So what is it that you know Sadhguru (Sadhguru laughs)? Why are millions of people your devotees because you just said that honesty? Sadhguru: They usually don’t Barkha Dutt: is about admitting Sadhguru: They They don’t claim that they are my devotees you know. Barkha Dutt: What do they say then? Sadhguru: Hmm? Barkha Dutt: What do they say then? Sadhguru: Usually they claim they’re meditators volunteers and stuff (Laughter/Applause). Barkha Dutt: Okay volunteers then (Sadhguru laughs). But there must be something they think that you know because you just said that life is actually about admitting what you don’t know. The corollary to that is there are things that you do know. We do know we’re sitting at the Habitat Center Amphitheatre at this moment in Delhi – that we know. What beyond this Sadhguru do you know and what do you not know (Laughter)? I’ve asked you like is there a question of Sadhguru: Now what do I know? I don’t know anything except this one (Referring to oneself). I know this piece of life from its origin to its ultimate. Everything that I need to know about this life I know. And I see every other life is actually the same thing if you look deep enough. So in that context because today modern science is coming to this there is a a theory which is evolving which is called as constructional theory what they are beginning to say is whether it’s an amoeba or a grasshopper or a earthworm or a bird or an animal or an elephant or you or me or the whole cosmos the fundamental design is same. It is only a question of complexities and sophistication of the same design. So this is something always the yogic science has been saying that if you know you know anda you know pindanda (Laughs) you know? If you know the atomic you know the cosmic because the fundamental design is same it’s only a question of complexity and sophistication of what’s happening. So fundamentally if you know this piece of life (Referring to oneself) you know everything by inference. Barkha Dutt: But when you say this piece of life do you mean yourself do you mean this moment what do you mean by this piece of life? Sadhguru: You are a piece of life aren’t you? Are you life or are you media (Laughter)? Barkha Dutt: Are they mutually exclusive? Sadhguru: No no because people (Sounds like: are/have?) mediums that’s why I’m saying (Laughter). Barkha Dutt: I would hope I’m a flesh and blood person unless somebody knows better (Laughs). Sadhguru: Flesh and blood you gathered isn’t it? Barkha Dutt: Yes. Sadhguru: What you call as my flesh and blood you slowly gathered over a period of time. If this much accumulation of flesh and blood this much impressions have to be gathered there must be something more fundamental isn’t it? Barkha Dutt: Do you think of yourself as a yogi a mystic or a guru? Sadhguru: I’ve not wasted time thinking about myself (Laughter/Applause). Barkha Dutt: What would you rather be thinking of? Sadhguru: I don’t think usually. Really. For me see th This whole thing because of the type of very mediocre education that’s being delivered today we have raised thought to heaven unfortunately. Thought is a simple thing. I know this is against everything that you believe in because you are also a believer (Laughs). Barkha Dutt: No. Sadhguru: Believer in thought. Barkha Dutt: Yeah. Sadhguru: Yes. Barkha Dutt: I believe in being able to ask questions. Sadhguru: Yes. Barkha Dutt: That’s what I do for a living. Sadhguru: Oh (Laughter)! That’s good. Barkha Dutt: So I must believe that it is possible to ask questions. Sadhguru: You you ask questions for a living my life is full of questions (Laughter/Applause). Now now the thing is what you call as thought is coming from the limited data that you have gathered from the experience of your life. Every person is the same thing. How much ever we have gathered it’s still too small compared to the size of this cosmos and the way the phenomena of life is happening. From this limited da data you can recycle things and generate thought. Or in other words nothing new ever happens. Same permutations and combinations of the same thing will go on forever. The essence of what we’re teaching in the name of Inner Engineering is to engineer yourself in such a way every moment of your life is a new possibility. If it has to become a new possibility what is needed is perception. When I say perception people think opinions. No I am talking about perception as you see here (Gestures) similarly enhancing your perception so that you perceive life. Right now when we say thought emotion we’re talking about expressing life. Expression is not so important once in a way we can express but perceiving it is important because this phenomena is too fantastic it’s not a small thing. The greatest phenomena that’s happening here is life itself. So if you want to know this phenomena the only way you can know the only doorway for you to know life is yourself. See right now can you see me? Barkha Dutt: Yes I can. Sadhguru: Can you Can you use a finger and point out where I am? (Barkha Dutt gestures towards Sadhguru) Oh you’re wrong. You know I’m a mystic from South India (Laughter/Applause). Now this light is falling upon me reflecting going through your lenses inverted image in the retina you know the whole story. Where do you see me now? Barkha Dutt: Still in the same place. Sadhguru: No. Barkha Dutt: I do. Sadhguru: You see me the way I’m projected in the firmament of your mind. You cannot see me here (Gestures) in the very nature of your visual apparatus. Where do you hear me right now? Within yourself. Where have you seen the whole world? Within yourself. Now if there is a grasshopper here he doesn’t see me the way you see me he sees me differently. He sees the whole world differently. Now you you can think ‘Oh he’s no good.’ This is the fundamental problem that we think his perception is no good. No no his perception is very good for his survival. Your perception is very good for your survival but it’s not good enough to know the nature of life. Barkha Dutt: But I Sadhguru: So now ‘what do I know’ means I have enhanced enhanced my perception the way it is important to know the nature of life not just for survival. Barkha Dutt: But if Inner Engineering as a spiritual technology is something that works I ask you again why do we need gurus? Because that means the answers are within us. Sadhguru: You’re speaking so much language did you learn A B C D Barkha Dutt: I think so. Sadhguru: Do you remember when you’re four years of age that damn ‘A’ how complicated it was? Barkha Dutt: Yes. Sadhguru: two versions to it. You had to write it a hundred times to get the damn ‘A’. Today you can close your eyes and write. So it doesn’t matter how simple something is without a certain guidance could you have picked up A B C I’m asking? No. Similarly when something new you have to approach if you don’t have the right kind of guidance you won’t pick it up. Barkha Dutt: Tell us a little bit about yourself. Your story is well-chronicled but what is of interest to people is that you started off as Sadhguru: I haven’t read that book I don’t know I hope she’s written nice things about me (Referring to Arundhati Subramaniam’s biography of Sadhguru called ‘More Than a Life’). Barkha Dutt: She’s written a very brilliant Arundhati’s Subramaniam has written a very brilliant very brilliant book. Sadhguru: No she’s brilliant but what’s she written about me (Laughter/Applause)? Barkha Dutt: One of the things that she has said is that you give great space for dissent you like a good argument that you’re not an you’re not one of those dictatorial gurus (Sadhguru laughs). Sadhguru: I don’t know where is a dictatorial guru I think the most people have not met a guru they have just seen calendar images and made conclusions. I don’t think they have met any genuine guru. There are a whole lot of people who should have been temple priests who are good entrepreneurs and they’ve become gurus today – that’s different okay? (Laughs) Barkha Dutt: Temple priests Sadhguru: No no see Barkha Dutt: who have become good entrepreneurs. Sadhguru: No I’m saying Barkha Dutt: Just another word of way of saying they’re charlatans. Sadhguru: That’s a strong word. Maybe that’s enterprise (Laughter). I am not a enterprise. So because I am not an enterprise I want everybody to ask whatever the damn question they have it doesn’t matter how ridiculous or how intelligent how nonsensical it is it doesn’t matter. If the question means something to you it means something to me. It doesn’t matter how brilliant it is if it doesn’t mean anything to you I am not willing to listen to it. Barkha Dutt: But you’re saying that many many people are who are positioning themselves as gurus are really only elevating themselves and fooling people. I’ve Sadhguru: (Laughs) No I didn’t say Barkha Dutt: Okay I’m saying that. Sadhguru: I’m saying (Laughter) Barkha Dutt: But Sadhguru: (Laughs) The thing there is there is a vacuum somebody is trying to fill it. Barkha Dutt: Yes. And Sadhguru you have been Sadhguru: Are they qualified to be that? Questionable thing. Barkha Dutt: But a very genuine concern and you have been on some of my television programs where we have spoken about this – is whether god-men are often con-men? And how does this lady here (Gestures towards somebody) know the difference between who’s a god-man and who’s a conman and is a human being capable of being a god-man? Do you think of yourself as a god-man? Sadhguru: (Laughs) Why are you underestimating that lady (Laughter/Applause)? Barkha Dutt: Okay let it be my question (Sadhguru laughs). How do I spot the difference between a god-man and a con man if I don’t even believe that humans can be godly? I think humans can be brave and wonderful and inspiring and But I don’t think that they have magical powers. Sadhguru: See did you ever see God having magical powers? Barkha Dutt: No I’ve never seen God. Sadhguru: No then why are you saying he must have magical powers (Laughter)? So first of all this god-man is essentially a media-coined word. Nobody claims that he is a god-man okay? Some are goddamn men that’s different (Laughter). Nobody I don’t think anybody has personally claimed ‘I am a god-man.’ I have not met anybody like that. Now that is a That’s another kind of profession putting labels on everybody you know (Laughs). Leaving that alone what is it? This is a culture – you must understand this it’s unfortunately all mixed up today this is a godless culture you must understand this. There has never been an idea of a god in this culture. Only in competition with what came from outside because we saw they could rule us they were dominant and we thought we have to imitate their ways we also started making it up to some extent not successfully though. Yes but we know the technology of god-making. When I say technology We are using the English word ‘god’ but that word doesn’t exist in India here we call them devas. What a deva means is see today media is projecting Tendulkar as a cricketing god. It’s very appropriate to this culture because if somebody excels beyond a certain level in any field he may be a sportsperson he may be a warrior he may be an artist he may be anything – if he excels beyond what normally average human beings think is possible for them he goes they recognized him as a deva and he’s worth looking up to because he becomes a guiding light for them. That’ll anyway happen whether you like it you believe it you don’t believe it. Barkha Dutt: Sure. Sadhguru: In every field somebody rises he becomes the light for the rest of the people. Barkha Dutt: Yes. Sadhguru: So similarly in the inner spaces When I say the inner spaces the quality of your life is not determined by what kind of house you live in what clothes you wear what car you parked outside what things jing-bang happening around you no this moment how joyful peaceful blissed out you are within yourself. Now if I sit here we’re sitting here in the same space breathing the same air probably we ate the same kind of food I don’t know what you eat (Laughter) but if I sit here now with my eyes closed the way I am within myself I will not exchange this (Laughs) for anything in the universe. Now when people see no matter The number of things I’m managing is insane. Everybody thinks ‘Sadhguru is it possible? You must go crazy someday.’ All volunteers over three million volunteers enterprises businesses okay projects mega-projects on the street all kinds of activity going around the globe. If anybody has to go nuts it’s me okay? Because all run by volunteers. Run by volunteers means nobody is trained for the job and you can’t fire them for inefficiency because they’re volunteers (Laughter). All right (Laughs)? And anytime they come in anytime and do great things anytime they’ll walk away all right? And nothing should collapse. Till now I must tell you this as we are sitting here this day probably little over three hundred and odd programs Inner Engineering programs are happening in the world. Never in the last thirty-three years one program has been abandoned or has failed (Applause). That that takes enormous management but nobody will ever see me getting angry or miserable or tensed out or stressed out. Barkha Dutt: You’ve never lost your temper? Sadhguru: You want me to now (Laughter) (Laughs)? Do I look like I’m incapable of that? It’s not that it’s not that I’m incapable of anger it’s just that I have never given that privilege to anybody. I’ve not given this privilege to anybody – they can make me happy they can make me unhappy they can make me angry they can make me miserable no. I kept (Applause) these privileges to myself. So people you’re talking about miracles or whatever. People ask me ‘Sadhguru everybody in very ashram miracles are happening. You are beating all the miracles down. If we say something happened you make us look like fools.’ No miracle. I say ‘What? You want me to pull a pigeon out of my pocket’ (Laughter)? If I pull a pigeon Barkha Dutt: But there are Sadhguru: No if I (Laughs) Barkha Dutt: gurus Sadhguru: If I Barkha Dutt: who claim to do that who have been challenged by rationalists Sadhguru: No I’ll come to this. If I pull a pigeon out of my pocket I have a shitty pocket (Laughter) and you have a bird (Both laugh) what are you going to do with this? You come to me I will show you the miracle. I have thousands of people who are working seven days a week sixteen to eighteen days eighteen hours every day. In the last two five-ten years not a single moment of irritation agitation anger in their life. This is a miracle (Applause) this is a miracle we want to manifest. You don’t want a miracle? Barkha Dutt: I agree this is a miracle. Sadhguru: Yes. Barkha Dutt: And not that pigeon. Do you have a pigeon in your pocket (Sadhguru laughs)? Okay (Laughs). Sadhguru: I told you I don’t like a shitty pocket (Laughs). Barkha Dutt: I know (Laughter). Now you were thirteen In Arundhati’s book I read that you were thirteen when you first quite accidentally discovered yoga. You were children playing in at the bottom of a well that’s what the book says (Sadhguru laughs). Tell us how did you discover yoga? Sadhguru: Oh (Laughs). I told that because that’s how it happened to me I said that to her I don’t know how she’s written I’ve not read it (Barkha Dutt laughs). I said that to her because I want people to understand the nature of the universe is even if you do for the wrong reasons you do the right thing still it works. If you do the wrong thing even for the right reasons it still doesn’t work. People need to understand this because the whole world has invested on goodness. The goddamn goodness is killing the world. There’re too many good people and these good people are the biggest problem. It’s always a good Indian who wants to fight a good Pakistani good Hindu wants to fight a good Muslim good American wants to fight with just about anybody (Laughter). The more good you are the more fighting you are. The more good you think you are because goodness is always in comparison Barkha Dutt: Don’t forget the good journalists who promote these fighting everyday on channels (Laughter). Sadhguru: I I think because your goodness comes by comparing yourself to somebody. If you were alone on this planet you wouldn’t know whether you’re good or bad. What we need on this planet is sensible human beings. Little more sense we could do with isn’t it for sure in every aspect of life? Engineering essentially means you could have built this structure whichever way you want but you’ll have to keep looking up when it’s going to crash on your head. Engineering means you put it up in a sensible manner the way it stays without anxiety about it. Similarly Inner Engineering means you engineer yourself in such a way you can go through the process of life without being anxious about your suffering ‘What will happen to me?’ There is no such thing because you engineered yourself well. Whatever the hell happens around you within yourself you are the same thing. So every time I launch one mega-project you’ll say ‘Sadhguru if it doesn’t work?’ If it doesn’t work what (Laughs)? If it doesn’t work what? If everything that I’m doing if nothing works I will still die blissfully. This is guaranteed. I want to make sure it’s guaranteed for every human being so that they can live their life without the fear of suffering. Right now instead of seeing how suffering should go people are busy romanticizing suffering. The moment you romanticize suffering it’s very clear you are not interested in human well-being you like drama. Barkha Dutt: Hmm. You often spoke about how economic leaders are going to be the future of the world you’ve been interacting with CEOs. It’s rare to find a spiritual guru who’s also quite openly capitalistic. Are you a capitalist? Sadhguru: What is that? Barkha Dutt: Who believes that wealth creation is for the greater good (Sadhguru laughs) of people and society. Sadhguru: See a whole lot of people are attached to poverty right now because without poor people without hungry people they cannot survive. I am not one of those. I want to see that six hundred million people on in this country are postponing their dinner tonight. But we are postponing major decisions in the Parliament every day all right? I am not a part of that I want things to happen because I know what it means to postpone a dinner. I don’t want that to happen to pe people. Children are postponing their dinner tonight probably a hundred million children in this country have postponed their dinner to tomorrow and that’s not a joke. So these jokers who identify themselves with this or that are going on playing their joke on the people every day. So capitalism is an ancient word it no more exists. We are talking about a market economy. When only a few families had access to capital it was capitalism. It is no more capitalism. Any If you have a good idea and you know how to execute it there is capital for everyone all right? So we have tried communism it’s a wonderful idea but that must happen willingly. If you enforce it it’s the ugliest thing. We have seen it We have seen a major demo on the planet when a most ugly things happened you tried to enforce it. Karl Marx might have known lot about economy. You know I was I When I was fifteen I was all gung ho about Engels (Referring to German social scientist Friedrich Engels) and Karl Marx and stuff. But he did not understand human nature I realized that when I was sixteen. Thirteen fourteen I was all fired up reading up all the communist literature from Russia (Laughs) but by the time I was sixteen I realized these people don’t understand what is human aspiration. Without understanding what’s human aspiration you try to build a society you try to build a nation it’s a disaster okay? Cruel disaster. But maybe it will work when really a country or a society is in total dumps. You have to force it out. When you have to force it out it works but after that it won’t work. In a way if you come to the ashram nearly four thousand people are living in the ashram – well you can say it’s communist but by willingness it’s not by ‘Okay I did so much so I get so much’ – no. Everybody gets what they need. So this is not enforced this is by choice. If by choice you’re willing to share how fantastic it is; but ‘I have nothing you have something I want you to share’ – how ugly it is! Barkha Dutt: What is it with Sadhguru and motorcycles (Laughter)? Sadhguru: These days I’m on four wheels (Laughter). Barkha Dutt: But you haven’t given up (Sadhguru laughs) your love for bikes or have you? Sadhguru: It’s just that when I was I started you know trekking in the jungles when I was ten eleven. I would be gone. If I had ten rupees in my pocket I would organize my food and I’m gone with this little note in the house. I can imagine my parents (Laughs) I I always wished I shouldn’t have a boy ever (Laughs). Barkha Dutt: Girls can run away too on bikes. Sadhguru: They run later (Laughter/Applause). They don’t run at ten eleven (Laughter). And they’re on a pillion they’re usually pillion and if they find a good rider no problem (Laughter). I’m saying the thing was it’s not about the motorcycle or this or that it is just that I was a cloud of million questions all the time and wherever I looked nobody had a sensible answer. Everybody has standard answers that they’ve heard from somewhere nobody has a genuine experiential answer. So there’s a restlessness to explore just about anything. When I was ten eleven years of age I would be gone into the forest for three four days. Once food ran out and I couldn’t survive then I would come back. So initially lot of excitement but later on they kind of settled down they knew I’ll get back. So when I became fourteen fifteen I cycled across South India not because I was one cycling enthusiast not like today wearing a helmet and suited booted for cycling – no simply I cycled because cycling is little faster than walking. The moment I became seventeen I still didn’t have a license but I found a motor to my cycle which became a motorcycle (Laughs). So that because it went little faster. It s it supported my restlessness to know something I didn’t even know what the hell it is. I didn’t know what I was looking for but I had questions about anything I looked at. Everything in the universe looked like a question mark to me. Barkha Dutt: But the question about the motorcycle is really to ask whether the motorcycle the Land Rover or Land Cruiser which one is it now? Land Rover Land Cruiser (Sadhguru laughs) I’m not sure but whatever the four wheels the helicopter you I think you once said somewhere that I like that whether if it moves on land water or air I like it. Sadhguru: This is not One thing is I like anything that works and machines work (Laughs). The more efficiently (they?) work the better they are and why it’s important is after all what is the quality of an individual human being? How smoothly and how efficiently your body mind and everything functions is the quality of a human being isn’t it? So machines always excited me whether it’s a s bicycle or motorcycle or because of you know lack of the necessary probably the fitness that I was at that time I crisscrossed India on a motorcycle today it would be hard so you get into something little more comfortable. Barkha Dutt: But you know while that makes you a very interesting character to observe did you ever worry that you’d be labeled or dubbed a Richie Rich (Referring to the cartoon character) person’s guru? This is you know This is the Sadhguru who Sadhguru: See the thing is Barkha Dutt: flies his own planes Sadhguru: No Barkha Dutt: who likes his BMW who like his game of golf who likes having a little Frisbee match on the ___ (Unclear) Sadhguru: (Laughs) L Let’s let’s come to that. See the thing is I would I wouldn’t mind I even Sometimes we I I ride a bullock cart nobody reports that though (Laughter). I I I love to handle the bulls and I I still drive that sometimes. But now you I want to have a conversation with you this afternoon till two o’clock I was in Jodhpur I could have come by bullock cart or a camel cart (Laughter) you had to wait for five days (Laughter/Applause). I came on time you must appreciate that (Laughs). Barkha Dutt: So it’s about efficiency is what you’re saying? Sadhguru: Yes. So I l I personally learnt to fly a helicopter where I don’t have the time for these things but I somehow fit in this and learnt because seventy percent of our work is in rural India. Tch I thought this little helicopter could just I could set the place on fire because I’m half the time stuck Half my life I’m on the road stuck in some traffic driving myself. All the time behind huge everywhere there’s no place in the country where there’s no traffic jams believe me. Even in rural India there’re traffic jams. So I thought a helicopter would really revolutionize our work. I picked up the thing I got my license FAA license but in India it’s so difficult to get the license because many of these rules were made before Wright brothers (Referring to the brothers who invented the airplane) came (Laughter). Barkha Dutt: Well according to some the plane was also made before the Wright brothers came (Laughs). They say it was made in the Vedic ages they Sadhguru: They’re not very wrong. Conceptually it was made. Whether physically they built or not we don’t have proof for that. Conceptually there’s no Barkha Dutt: Conceptually it’s about imagination to think that you can m

Barkha Dutt with Sadhguru – In Conversation with the Mystic – Notes

Please note that this video titled Barkha Dutt with Sadhguru – In Conversation with the Mystic is from Sadhguru’s Youtube channel. More information about Sadhguru is available on his website at isha.sadhguru.org. The transcriptions on this page are automated transcriptions. In case you find any errors please leave a comment below. If you would like to watch this video on the Youtube channel of Sadhguru then please search for Barkha Dutt with Sadhguru – In Conversation with the Mystic on Youtube