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The Nature of the MindPart Four What is a Healthy Mind?This is one of a series of dialogues between J Krishnamurti David Bohm Rupert Sheldrake and John Hidley.The purpose of these discussions is to explore essential questions about the mind what is psychological disorder and what is required for fundamental psychological change.

J Krishnamurti is a religious philosopher author and educator who has written and given lectures on these subjects for many years.He has founded elementary and secondary schools in the United States England and India.David Bohm is professor of theoretical physics at Birkbeck College London University in England.He has written numerous books concerning theoretical physics and the nature of consciousness.Professor Bohm and Mr. Krishnamurti have held previous dialogues on many subjects.Rupert Sheldrake is a biologist whose recently published book proposes that learning in some members of a species affects the species as a whole.Dr. Sheldrake is presently consulting plant physiologist to the International Crops Research Institute in Hyderabad India.John Hidley is a psychiatrist in private practice who has been associated with the Krishnamurti school in Ojai California for the past six years.The first three dialogues have focused on various processes of self-identification and their effects.The need for psychological security has been discussed as growing out of a basic division in which the contents of consciousness appear to be separate from consciousness itself.Today’s discussion begins with the importance of attention.

K: What is analysis?And what is observation?In analysis there is the analyser and the analysed.And so there is always that difference maintained.Where there is difference there must be conflict division and that’s one of the factors that really is very destructive to the whole psychological freedom this conflict this division.And analysis maintains this division.Whereas if one observes closely- I’m not correcting you sir I’m just enquiring -the analyser is the analysed.Again the same problem:thought has divided the analyser and the analysed.The analyser is the past who has acquired a lot of knowledge information separated himself and is either correcting the observed the analysed make him conform – he is acting upon it.Whereas the analyser is the analysed.I think if that is really understood very deeply the conflict psychological conflict ends because in that there is no division between the analyser and the analysed there is only observation.Which Dr. Bohm and we discussed at considerable length last year.So if that is clearly understood- I am not laying down the law but I am just as I have observed as one has observed this whole business of conflict whether one can live the whole of one’s life without conflict.That means the controller is absent which is a very dangerous question.I feel where there is inattention lack of attention is really the whole process of conflict.

S: Well we haven’t necessarily there are many people who’ve seen that there’s all these problems there’s something wrong with the mind. the agna chakra specifically, they feel that something to be done about it and all that and then take up some kind of spiritual practice meditation whatnot.Now you’re saying that all these kinds of meditation concentrating on the 7 chakras and what not are all just the same kind of thing.

S: Yes I can see that if both sides saw this with the utmost clarity…

K: Yes. That means they are giving intelligence to the whole problem.S: What happens if only one party in a conflict sees it with that utmost clarity?

K: What happens?One gives complete attention in one’s relationship between man and woman; let’s begin with that.You have given complete attention.When she insults you when she flatters you when she bullies you or when she is attached to you all that is the lack of attention.If you give complete attention and the wife doesn’t then what happens? That is the same problem.Either you try to explain day after day go into it with her patiently.After all attention implies also great deal of care affection love.It’s not just mental attention.It’s attention with all your being.Then either she moves along with you comes over to your side as it were or she holds on to her separative contradictory state.Then what happens?One is stupid the other is intelligent.S: But the conflict…

K: So there is always the battle between the stupid and the ignorant.I mean between the ignorant the stupid and the intelligent.

H: A thing that seems to happen in that situation is that the one’s intelligence makes room in which the other person who is caught in some attachment may have freedom to look at it.

K: But if the other refuses to look at it then what is the relationship between the two people?H: There is none. K: That’s all.You see tribalism is deadly destructive.You see it basically fundamentally and I don’t.You have seen it probably immediately and I’ll take many years a long time to come to that.Will you have the…- I won’t use the word patience -will you have the care affection love so that you understand my stupidity?I may rebel against you.I may divorce you.I may run away from you.But you have sown the seed somewhere in me.But that does happen doesn’t it really in life?S: Yes.H: You said something that interests me here you said that if you have seen it immediately and the other person may take a long time to come to seeing it.And it seems like in this attention that you’re talking about perception is immediate. K: Of course.H: It isn’t built up out of…

K: Oh no then it’s not perception.

H: That may be part of the reason the other person is having difficulty seeing it is that they want it to be proved to them.K: You see conditioning is destructive and I don’t.

H: Yes.K: What is our relationship between us two?It’s very difficult to communicate with each other…H: Yes.

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