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This is the last talk.We were talking about the art of living yesterday.I think we ought to go much more into it.Most of us have given very little thought to thatwe have hardly enquired into the nature of what life isand how to live it.Our daily life with all its ugly turmoil passing pleasuresand a great deal of entertainment both religious and otherwise.We have studied almost all the academic subjectsspent years to become a doctora surgeon or an engineerand the engineer never asks ‘how’.He has studied perhaps five or six yearshas learnt a great deal of information stressesstrains and the material and so onhe never asks how to build a bridge because that is his job.But we ordinary people like us we are always asking ‘how’.How am I to live a life without any conflictwithout any of the problemsthat are involved in our daily unfortunate lives.We are always striving reaching out getting somewhereand when a question a challenge is put before you like :is it possible to live a life in which there is no problemin which there is no conflictwhen you hear that question you say’Yes sounds good but tell me how to do it’what is the method what is the systemso that we can live a life of great tranquillitygreat inward sense of wondera sense of great beauty.Then we say ‘Tell me how’.I think we ought to banish from our minds not in the academic subjectsbut in the psychological world we should never ask- if one may most respectfully point out -‘how’. Never ask anybody ‘how’ !They only can offer you a system a methodwhich then becomes another bondageanother trap in which you are caught.So we ought to this evening go into this question.We have talked about warswe have talked about human beingspsychologically hurt from their childhoodhurt by their parents by their schools colleges and universitiesby their families and so on – we are wounded people.And that wound inevitably breeds fear.We talked about fear a great deal.And we also talked about time.Not only the chronological time by the watchbut also time as a psychological means of achievement\s:I am this but I will be thatI am violent I will one day be non-violent.This constant becoming from ‘what is’ to ‘what should be’is also the element of time.Because time is very important for usnot only the physical time – to get from here to there -but also the ideal which thought has invented :to achieve an ideal also requires time.So we are bound to time.And writers and some other people have askedis there an end to time is there a stop to time.And as we said yesterday and during all the other talks herewe are sharing this together.This is not – I’ll repeat it ten times – this is not a lecture.Please kindly pay attention to that.This is not in any way to inform you to instruct youabout various academic subjects which is what a lecture is.But this is a conversation between you and the speakera conversation about life about the extraordinary complexity of lifethe great sense of travail anxiety desperate lonelinessand innumerable tears that human beings have shedwanting to be loved and never finding itor if one loves youthere’s always the danger and the pain of his leaving.So we have talked about all this.And if some of us perhaps a few even tenwho are really serious – in the sense honestan honesty that is unshakeablean integrity that can never be brokenunder any circumstances -if there were such people a few at leastthen we could bring about a radical change in society.We talked about society. Society is what we are.We have made this society this ugly brutal venomous- you know what this modern society is.We are responsible for it each one of us.And to bring about a radical fundamental mutationin the structure and the nature of society we have to undergoa tremendous examination into ourselvesnot theoretical not problematical or philosophicalbut to see what actually we are.And face that fact not escape from itgo into it very deeply.And then perhaps a few of uscould really bring about a different culture.And as we said yesterday for at least this eveninglet us be serious honest.That is the word is not the thingthe explanation is not the actualthe description of a mountain however beautifully putwriting a great poem about a mountain in the blue skyand the lovely shadowsall those descriptions and the painting is not the actual mountain.But most of us are satisfied with the descriptionwith the explanationthen we make of that explanation into an idealand then strive to live up to that idealwhich then again becomes a series of conflicts.We went into all this during the last few yearsand in the last three talks here.So please kindly remember that you and the speakerare investigating together deeplyseriously and with great honestyhow to live a life which is really a great art.So let’s begin to enquire more.Humility is necessary isn’t it to learn.Humility. Not humblenessnot a sense of remote acceptancebut one needs a great deal of humility to learn.But most of us have not that quality of humility- not to somebody whom you respect that’s not humilitythat’s merely acceptance of authorityand you worship the authority.You saw what is happening this morning.So humility is one of the factors in lifenot arrogance not vanity.A man who knows a great dealthat gives him a sense of self-importanceand he is a vain mana man who has achieved a position a status power moneyand then that vanity tries to become humility.Don’t you know all this?And humility is not born out of vanity.Humility is necessary to understandthe extraordinary complexity of living.And humility… with freedom.We think we are all very freeto do what we want to do what we wantour desire to fulfil our desires- this is one of the structures of societyeach one of us is free to do exactly what he wants to do.Right? You are all doing that.You want to be rich you want to express yourselfyou want to have your own particular wayyou are very strong on your opinions your conclusions.You are free to choose.And we call this freedom.And if you observe what that freedom has done in the worldbrought about great confusionbrought about havoc in the worldeach one expressing his own particular desire – competitive.And we call this freedom.So we ought to enquire what is freedom.Please ask this question of yourself.Is freedom a matter of choice?You are free to choose free to go from here to therefree to have different kinds of job- if you don’t like one you go to the other.Freedom to express yourself free to think what you wantto express it – perhaps in a democratic societynot in the totalitarian states there freedom is denied.So what is freedom?Because that is part of our life.As we talked yesterday death is part of our life.The living and the dying.We went into it very carefullywhether the two death and life live together.That requires as we pointed out yesterdaya great deal of attentiona great deal of enquiry and great intelligence- the art of living with death.We talked about that.And in the same waywe ought to talk over together what is freedom.Does it really exist?The word ‘freedom’ also some of its root meaning is love.And is love a matter of choice?And so we ought to find out for ourselves what is actual freedom.Freedom from something- from pain from anxiety. Freedom ‘from’.And is there freedom? Not ‘from’ something you understand?If it is freedom from something it is merely a reaction.It is like a man in prison saying ‘I must get out of my prison.’We live psychologically in a prisonand when it is painful ugly not satisfactorythen you want freedom from that.So we are saying freedom from somethingis the same thing as being in prison of another kind.Do we meet each other or am I talking to myself?So what is freedom?This sense of inward authenticdeep sense of unshakeable freedom- not from something.What is that freedom?Can we together enquire into thisnot accept what the speaker is sayingbecause we went into that.If you accept what the speaker is sayingthen you are back again to the old pattern of following an authority.The speaker then becomes your guruand the speaker abhors all gurus.In the world of- if one can use the word ‘spiritual’ -authority is a sin.So together let’s enquire what is freedom.Probably you have never asked that question.You all want to escape from something.I am lonely – and most people are very very lonelythey want to escape from it through various forms of entertainmentreligious and otherwise.But is there a freedom which is not a reaction?And to find out that one has to enquire what is love.Is love a reaction?Is love attraction whether it be sexual or otherwise?Please ask these questions of yourselfto find out the right answer.How do you find the right answer to a question?The speaker asked the questionyou naturally reply to that question if you are at all thinkinggoing along with the question then you respond to that question.The speaker then answers to your response.This is real dialogue.Answers to your response then you respond to my response.Right? Are we following this a little bit?So that there is both question and answer answer and question.If we maintain this answer-question question-answerseriously intenselythen in that process you disappearand the speaker disappears only the question remains you understand?Then that very question has vitality.Don’t agree please test it out for yourself.It’s like a bud a rose bud.If the question is left in the air as it were then it is like a budwhich gradually unfolds and shows its naturethe depth of that question it has its own vitality energy drive.That is a dialoguenot just accepting what the other fellow is saying.So we are askingis freedom – not from something – is it love?And is love a reaction?That is I see a beautiful woman or a man or a marvellous statue- I’d love to have it I’d love to have it on my walllook at it day after dayand each time I look at it it is differentthat’s a great masterpiece.And for most of uslove perhaps may not exist.Please I am just asking thisI am not saying it does not exist.For most of us perhaps we don’t know what it is.We know attraction we know tenderness we know pitywe know guilt remorse and jealousy.The crows are making an awful lot of noise – I am sorry.Is all that love?Do you understand my question?If it is not love then love has no reaction.Then that is freedomwhich is not born out of a reaction.You may be a Christianand being intellectual you might become a Buddhist.You have chosen you are free to become a Buddhistbecause Buddhism is much more intellectually active interestingit has got great depth in it and all the rest of it.And you are free from one and trapped in the other.And you may love the Buddharejecting your own particular deity.And this is called freedom.The crows are free !This is very important to understandnot intellectually not verballybut the depth and the beauty of it.And we also should askwhen we are talking about the art of livingwhat is beauty?The great architecture the cathedrals of Europethe great temples and the mosques of the worldconstructed with great architects the great paintersthe great sculptors – Michelangelo ah !When you see all that that’s beautiful.So is beauty manmade?Please exercise your brains to find out.A tiger is not manmade thank the Lord !A tree in a field alone solitarywith all the dignity of a marvellous old tree- that’s not manmade.But the moment you paint that tree it’s manmadeand you admire you go to a museumto see that tree painted by a great artist.So in our life which is part of the art of livingis to understand the depth and the beauty of freedomand the goodness of it.And beauty- not the picture the poem the marvellous writer -but what is beauty?A beautiful man a beautiful womana face that has depth.And without that aesthetic quality in lifewhich is born of sensitivitywhich is born out of all the senses in actionnot one particular or two or three sensesbut the whole movement of the senses.Surely beauty is when the self is not.You understand?When I am not beauty is.When the self is not love is.And so love freedom goodness beauty are one.Not something separate not something pursuedone pursues what is beauty and spends the rest of his life on that.But they are all interrelated.Goodness that word though it is very old-fashionedthat very word has an extraordinary depth.To feel the depth of goodnessand that can only be when there is freedomwhen there is love beauty.And we ought to also talk over together this extraordinary problemas we dealt with yesterday about death and sufferingwe ought to enquire together what is religionbecause that is part of our life.And to find out what is true religion- not all this phoney stuff that is going on in the world -sorry if you are Christians don’t be upsetby what the speaker is sayingnor the Hindus please don’t get upset or get angry- it is all a network of superstitiona network of beliefs hopesborn out of fear. You invent God.All that the ceremonies all the things that are in the churchesin the cathedrals in the temples and mosquesare put together by thought.Nobody can deny that.And thought as we pointed out is a material processbecause thought is based on experience knowledge memorystored in the brain and contained in the cellstherefore it is a material process.That which thought creates has nothing to do with sacredness.You may worship the things that thought has inventedyou may worship your guru and your scriptures- the Bible the Koran whatever books you readso-called religious literature -but they are all the product of thoughtnot straight from God’s mouth or the horse’s mouth.All that is not religion. Right?It is very difficult for most people to see this clearlybecause we always have hope in our heart for somethingwhich will give us strengthwhich will free us from our mortal travail.We want somebody to comfort us the great Father up there.I’d love to tell you a good joke but I won’t – it’s not the moment.So we want somebody to comfort ussomebody to tell us what to dosomebody to worship somebody to cling toin our loneliness and despair.When we are shedding tears we want somebody to hold our hand.And so thought invents all these extraordinary illusionslike God all the ritualsall the things you worship in temples and mosques and churches- it’s all the product of thought.And so we are saying all that is not religion.Would you see that?Not just intellectually then it becomes a game rather a stupid gamebut if you actually see that it has no meaningit is a sense of deception hypocrisybecause that has nothing to do with our daily living.You have had every kind of god from the most ancient of timespre-historyand these gods and their goddesses and their ritualshave not changed the human brainhuman brutality human wars.You may worship your gurus follow thembut you are not going to stop any waryou are not going to change your whole being.So we ought to enquire what is religion.To enquire one must be free of all superstitionsnaturally from all authority.Will you do that?The authority of the book the authority of traditionthe authority which you create for yourselfbased on your own experience.You understand all this?So that your mind your brain is freefrom every kind of illusion.Is that possible?Because the brain invents illusions myths.All the mythology of Greece of ancient Egyptand your own Christian and Hindu mythology- all the inventions of thoughtsuper-star and so on.Can the brain be actually free of all that?And the brain has been conditioned for century upon centurythrough propaganda through tradition through books- what religion is.Will you be free of that?Not become an atheist which is another reactionbut to have a brain that’s completely free.That requires a great deal of investigation into oneselfa great deal of attention to every thought every movement of actionso that your whole being is completelydenuded of every kind of illusionwhich is not easy because we don’t understand the nature of desire.It is the desire for comfort for some help – you understand? -that creates illusions.To desire illumination that’s what you all want.So we ought to investigate what is desire.You understand this?We ought to enquire seriously honestly- at least for this hour -honestly find out for yourself what is desirewhy desire has made us what we arefighting each other competitive hating each otherthe desire for power.Power whether it is political power or the power of a priestor the power of the image in the templethe power of a husband over his wifeover his daughter-in-laws – you follow? – power.A man having great knowledge it gives him great power.Power in any form is evil ugly brutal.And we all want power- power means money.Money means freedom to do what you want to do.So one has to have a brainthat is free from all authority and power.Will you do it?Will you study this?Will you go into it?Or you are just listeningspending an hour listening to somethingthat is true and then forget it as you leave this place.That’s what you are going to do.And therefore you shouldn’t be here if you are going to do thatbecause that will act as a poison- hearing something true and not living it.Then you have a conflictand conflict destroys degenerates the brainSo either don’t listen or listen with all your heart and mindso that the word is the action.The two are not separate.So can you have a brain that is totally free from all traditionall authority- including your own authoritywhich is having confidence in yourselfwhich gives you an authority.You understand this is a very complex problem.The authority of the policeman the authority of the government the law- which you apparently disregard totally – the authority of taxes.Is that all right may Iâ€¦So can your brain be free from all thisand that freedom is not a reactionbecause you understand the nature of authorityyou understand the nature of tradition- that is mere following mechanically acceptingwhich degenerates the brain.You see that and therefore you put it away it is not a reaction.If you react then you are back again into the old pattern.So then one can ask what is religion.You understand? Only then you can find out.And that implies meditation.May I use that word?Because that word has been used by every kind of guruand the money-makers of guruswith their power positionthey teach you. There are many schoolsin different parts of the worldteaching you meditation Tibetan meditation.- oh God it all sounds so silly all this -Tibetan the Buddhist the Hindu Zenand your own guru invents a particular form of meditationand you are caught in it.But you never enquire- because you are too greedy to get something -you never enquire what is meditation.What does it mean? Not how to meditate.If you ask how to meditate then it is very simple :do this and don’t do that sit for ten hours on your headâ€¦stand on your head sit in a certain posturebreathe in a certain way control your mind thought.And who is the controller to control the thought?Have you asked that?Who is the controllerwhen you want to control your thought in meditationor when you are in business or anywhere else- who is the controller?Isn’t he also part of thought?Right? Isn’t he?So controller who is also thought controls thought.You understand the game we play?So what is meditation?The meditation that we do is born of desire.No? We want to achieve peace of mind- I don’t know whatever that may mean.We want to achieve illuminationwe want to reach nirvanawe want to become something. Right?We’re alwaysâ€¦ That’s part of meditation- climb the ladder ladder to heaven -which is climbing the ladder of successsame thing not much different.The man who is born a clerkwants to become the manager;you meditate in order to become God knows what.So you meditate.So if you can put all that asidewhat is meditation?To find that out let’s go briefly into what is desire.What is desire?What is the source of desire?How does the desire spring from?Is desire born from the object perceived?I see a beautiful car the seeing creates the desire.Right? Please careful don’t agree what I’m saying.We are going to contradict all that presentlyso don’t be caught in a trap.Does the object create desire?I see a beautiful house and I want it.I see an extraordinarily intelligentbeautiful depth of (inaudible)and say ‘My God I wish I had that.’So we ought to enquire very carefully into what is desire.Not suppress desire.We are not saying suppress desire or give in to desire.Like the monks suppress desireand the others indulge in desire.So we ought together find out for ourselves- for ourselves not be toldand the speaker is not telling youfor God’s sake he is not telling you !Find out what is desire.The object – a car or a womanor a beautiful treeall that which you see in a lovely gardenthe green lawn the border of flowersthe scent of early morning spring in a gardenyou see all that and you say’My God I wish I had a garden like that.’Don’t you all know that kind of desire? Yes sirs.So we are not suppressing or indulgingwe are enquiring into what is desire.If one can understand the nature and the structure of desirethen you can deal with it.You see the car – I am taking that silly exampleyou can take your own particular example -you see something mechanical – a car a good watch.Seeing that is visual seeingthen from that seeing sensation – right? -from that sensation what takes place?Contact is part of sensation – right? -then – just a minute – then what takes place?Don’t repeat – if you have heard this before from the speakerdon’t repeat itbecause then that means nothing. Repetition.I saw a parrot oncebeautiful parrot lovely plumesit was chattering away what the master had been talking about.And that’s what you generally do – repeat repeat repeatâ€¦So please don’t repeatthen you become second-hand human beings without dignity.So seeing contact sensation.Now what takes place after that?Go very slowly find out.I see this very good watch a friend gave I see this in the window.I go inside examine it touch it feel it see the weight of itwho made it – and then what happens?Then thought comes increates an image and says ‘I wish I had it.’That is seeing contact sensationthen thought immediately creates the imageand then that very secondwhen thought creates the image of you in the caror you having that watch at that second desire is born.Right? Are we clear on this matter?At least intellectually.Now if you see thatcan there be an intervalbetween seeing contact sensation?An interval before thought makes a shape of it.You understand?Do you understand what I am talking about?Do you understand?An interval.Can you do it? It’s all so rapid.So when you slow it down like a motion picture slow it downthen you see everything in detail.And that’s desire. So extend the gap.Because you are desireyou are the very structure of thought and desire.So if you understandif you look into the nature of thoughtand your reactionsyou can slow the whole mechanism down very quietly slowly.Or you understand this instantly.That requires attention passion to find out.So let’s go back to meditation.That is if you have understood not verballyif you understand the nature and the structure of desirethen we can go back and find out what is meditation.Is conscious meditation meditation?You understand my question?Is it? Obviously not.If I consciously sit down for ten minutes a dayor twenty minutes in the morning twenty minutes in the afternoontwenty minutes in the eveningthen it becomes a relaxation siestanice comfortable enjoyable ‘go to bed’- that’s what is calledI won’t name it you know all that business.So what is meditation?If you consciously meditateit has a direction a motive a desire to achieve.Surely that is not meditation is it?That’s like a clerk becoming a manager- he is working working working.The two things are the same.You call that business the other calls it religious achievement.Both are exactly the same thing. Do we see that?Gentlemen do you see it who meditate?Of course not.That means giving up your pet enjoyment pet entertainment.So we are saying conscious meditation is no meditationbecause it is born of desire.Therefore it is born out of a desire to achieve to become somethingwhich is the self becoming something.The self the ‘me’ becoming God.It sounds so silly.Forgive me for using that word.Then what is meditation?If it is not conscious meditation then what is meditation?You understand?The word ‘meditation’ means also to ponder to think overand also measure – to measure.That’s part of the meaning the root meaning of that word ‘meditation’both in Sanskrit and so on.Now can your brain stop measuring?You understand? I am this I will be that.I am comparing myself with youyou are so beautiful you have graceyou have brains you have got quality depthyou are aesthetically… wearing something extraordinary- I want that.You are measuring which is comparison.Right? Can you stop comparing?Don’t agree – stop comparingfind out what it means to live without a movement of comparison.So you understand?Love is not a reactiontherefore it is free- not to express what you want that’s a reaction.And freedom is part of that love.Where there is love there is intelligencenot born out of thought.Intelligence is something outside the brain- I won’t go into all this it’s too complicated.Like compassion.Compassion love freedom is outside the brain.I know I could go into it – there is no time.Because the brain is conditioned it can’t contain this.So meditation is not conscious deliberate act.There is a totally different kind of meditationwhich has nothing whatsoever to do with thought and desire.And that means a brain that is reallyif I may use the word empty.Empty of all the things that thought of man is made.And where there is space- because freedom means that love means that spacevast limitless space -and where there is space there is silence and energy.If you are thinking about yourself all day longwhich most of us arethen you have reduced the extraordinary capacity of the brainto such a small issue about yourselftherefore you have no space.And so the brain though it has its own rhythm- not that the speaker is a specialist on brainsbut he has lived a long time studied time in himself watched others -the brain has its own rhythm that can be left alone.But when the brain is silent not chattering quiet utterlyâ€¦then there is that which is not measurable by wordsthat which is eternal nameless.\s
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