Legatus to Announce New Speakers for Annual Summit, After LGBT Bullies Drive Big-Name Speakers Away

Legatus to Announce New Speakers for Annual Summit, After LGBT Bullies Drive Big-Name Speakers Away January 16, 2015

Legatus, the international organization of Catholic CEOs, has completed the roster of speakers for its 2015 Annual Summit, scheduled for January 29-31 in Naples, Florida, after three notable speakers backed out under pressure from homosexual activists.

Replacing the speakers who decided not to appear are three well-known conservative leaders:

  • Mike Huckabee, former Arkansas Governor and former Fox News talk show host considered by many to be a possible contender in the next presidential election;
  • Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute (C-FAM); and
  • Harry Kraemer, executive partner with Madison Dearborn, a private equity firm based in Chicago, and also a Clinical Professor of Strategy at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management in Evanston, Illinois. Kraemer is the former chairman and chief executive officer of Baxter International Inc.

Originally the announced speakers for this year’s Summit included actor Gary Sinise, Fox News anchor Bret Baier, and beer mogul Pete Coors.  All three cancelled their planned appearances under pressure from the LGBT lobby.

Austin Ruse, writing in The Daily Caller, captured the essence of the controversy:

One of the scheduled speakers at the Legatus conference is former male super model Paul Darrow who left the gay way of life, converted to the Catholic Church and now counts himself among that rapidly growing cohort of “ex-gays.” There is no redder flag to the LGBTs than ex-gays since the gay way is complete, final, irreversible, and irresistible.

Darrow is a member of a Catholic group called Courage that helps those with unwanted same-sex desire to live according to Church teaching on sexual ethics. Such practices and views are seen by powerful LGBT groups as unacceptable and even hateful and must be stamped out.

So, Ruse explained, the LGBT website Pink News reported on Monday, January 12, that Sinise was going to appear at the conference.  The following day Jeremy Hooper, writing in the homosexual blog Good As You, carried the story.

Within hours Sinise pulled out, followed quickly by Baier. Pete Coors, of brewing fame, pulled out, too.

Gary Sinise, whose planned talk was about his faith and his work with wounded veterans, said in a statement to Good As You:

“For me, faith has been a catalyst for my mission to honor the men and women who serve in our nation’s military.  When I accepted the invitation to speak at the Legatus conference on Veterans issues and share my story, I was unaware of the controversy surrounding some of the participants, and their views on personal matters.  I don’t want my mission–which is designed to be unifying–to be disrupted by these, or any controversies, and therefore have decided to withdraw.” 

A Fox News spokesperson released a similar statement regarding Bret Baier to TVNewser.  The statement, which was published by Mediaite, said:

“Bret Baier has withdrawn his participation as a speaker at the upcoming Legatus Summit due to the controversy surrounding some editorial stances in the organization’s magazine.  Bret accepted the invitation to speak about his book, his faith, and his son’s congenital heart disease.  He was unaware of these articles or the controversy surrounding them.”

Speakers who are still scheduled to appear include His Eminence Timothy Cardinal Dolan, archbishop of New York; Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal (R-LA); Fr. Robert Sirico, founder of the Acton Institute; and stand-up comedian Tom Dreesen.

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I have a message for the Gay Lobby, that group of militant sexual deviants who seek to silence religious speech here in the United States of America:

Legatus is Catholic.

In a statement regarding the speaker cancellations, Legatus’ executive director John Hunt wrote:

Legatus embraces all that the Catholic Church teaches – nothing more, nothing less. Of course, at the core of all that the Church teaches is Christ’s unconditional love for every man and woman. While the Church has and always will teach about the morality of certain behaviors, these teachings are always to be understood in the context of the value of and respect for every human person.

Church teachings on same-sex attractions are not intended to marginalize the individuals who experience them. On the contrary, the Church wants to reach out to these individuals — as well as all who will enter into dialogue about its teachings — and help them to understand why the Church teaches what it does.

Hunt goes on to describe the conference and to explain that three scheduled speakers will not attend.  He writes:

Each year Legatus hosts a National Summit at which the attendees enjoy engaging speakers, inspiring liturgies, and the camaraderie of their peers in the Catholic business community. This annual event is a critical component of the organization’s mission to assist its members as they study, live and spread the Catholic faith in their business, professional and personal lives.

Unfortunately, three of the scheduled speakers for the 2015 Summit have opted not to participate. A Fox News spokesperson has been quoted as saying that Bret Baier has withdrawn “due to the controversy surrounding some editorial stances in the organization’s magazine.” In addition, Peter Coors and Gary Sinise have also canceled, citing similar reasons.

We have great respect for Bret Baier, Peter Coors, and Gary Sinise and regret that our members will not have the opportunity to hear about all the good work they are doing.

As an organization, we try to assist our members in understanding the issues currently facing our society, and the Church’s teachings on these relevant matters. As a result, our members can grow in their understanding of their faith, which then benefits them in every area of their lives.

Lastly, Hunt speaks directly to concerns expressed by the lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and trans-sexual community:

LGBT groups should not feel threatened by our organization, whose mission is to study, live and spread our faith according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. At its core, this issue is about the freedom of Legatus members — in fact all Catholics, and by extension people of any religion — to have the freedom to exercise their religious beliefs, which includes the ability to gather together and discuss their faith.

Since its founding in 1987, Legatus’ members have supported the Catholic Church–in prayer, with their financial gifts, and by defending its Magisterial teaching.  Local chapters gather each month for Mass, prayer, fellowship and a talk which invites them to deeper faith and stronger witness in the marketplace.

But the event which members most look forward to each winter is the Annual Legatus Summit.  The Summit promises great speakers, great liturgies, and great fellowship with like-minded people who are striving to follow Christ’s call.

Very best wishes to my friends at this great Catholic organization.  May the 2015 Summit be an opportunity for renewed friendships and for  spiritual and personal growth.

 

 

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  • niknac

    Who are these Gay bullies?

    • captcrisis

      There aren’t any. This post is full of untruth.

      The speakers withdrew because they became aware of how odious Legatus is. It believes homosexuality can and should be “cured”, an idea that is at odds with Catholic teaching (these days) and has been condemned several times even by the lockstep bloggers here at the “Catholic Channel”. See the articles in Adweek and other places.

      • kathyschiffer

        Sorry, Capt. Opposition to reparative therapy is not “against Catholic teaching.”

        • captcrisis

          The Catechism says gay people must be “accepted” and are “called to chastity”. Nothing in there about “converting” them to being straight.

          My point stands — the speakers withdrew not because of LGBT “bullying” but because lot of people, including some Catholic bloggers at this site, think “conversion therapy” is at best misguided, at worst ineffective and a path to depression and suicide. See Eve Tushnet’s comments on it for example.

          • Anon. Courage Supporter

            Courage is not in the business of “curing” gays or “reparative therapy”. Courage works to support those Catholics with same-sex attraction to live the virtue of chastity.

            In this context “ex gay” does not mean “straight” it means living according the moral teachings of the Church.

            The chief untruth is the idea that Courage is gay to straight ministry, or pray the gay away group. It isn’t.

            Courage accepts that for many changing sexual orientation is beyond human ability, just as for many other evil or unhealthy inclinations it is often not possible to eliminate the desire, it is however possible to learn, with the help of God, to control the behavior.

            The gay lobby knows all this, objects to the moral and religious beliefs of Courage, and uses the “gay therapy” lie to smear it.

          • MillerJM

            Yeah, I’m sorry but you’re making connections that no one here is trying to make. Reperative therapy is not “converting” them to be straight. An outcome of Reperative therapy could very well be that the person is called to chastity. You’re operating based on a certain set of assumptions that are just plain incorrect. Try actually talking to a conversion therapist and see what they have to say for themselves. It isn’t hard to see that the LGBT folks can get just a little defensive and that what comes out of someones mouth can be misinterpreted in all sorts of strange ways. Not all the time, but this frequently happens. Also, the other folks responding here have a point – Courage is not a therapy program, nor does it promote itself as such.

          • captcrisis

            You can call it what you want, but Legatus advocates therapy that turns gay people straight. See the 2011 article on their web site, noted in news reports and no doubt brought to the attention of the speakers who withdrew.

          • John Fisher

            Every Christian and human being is called to chastity. It is universal for all mankind. That means not using others as objects or lust or using them or oneself and sexual commodities. Sexual behaviour is only for and within a life long marriage with the purpose of having children and forming a faithful lifelong bond of love with ones wife.

          • friendly_hedgehog

            It seems to me like “you can only have sex with your wife” might be a rule that leads towards gay marriage, rather than away from it – try not to assume everyone is a man in future! 😉

          • Chris

            That’s a lie. Reparative therapy does indeed claim to result in heterosexual attractions…you hide your lie in “an outcome could be”…well yes an outcome could be chastity, More common outcomes of reparative therapy is a complete rejection of it and all its practices. Other outcomes have been permanent psychological damage and suicide directly traced to this incompetent form of therapy Almost every major “success” story has admitted to lying about it. Clean up your own church, turn over the pedophile priests, stop declaring bankruptcy to hide from judgments, then worry about what people who don’t want anything to do with your church.

          • John Fisher

            Yes correct chastity. The human being can experience many emotions and attractions/ repulsions but we decide according to our moral compass what to build on, what to ignore, how to act.

          • AugustineThomas

            Good therapy for those who suffer from homosexual perversion calls them to chastity, whether or not they go on to get married. There are many good Catholics who live their lives chaste or mostly chaste (and repent when they fail) and never get married.

      • John Fisher

        Homosexuality cured? A person can do or not do homosexual behaviour. Don’t confuse the a feeling with a behaviour. I once was while at work thought about taking one pile of copy paper home. I said no that would be thieving. I did not do it… was not a thief. We are not what we feel… we become what we do. To change we stop doing the bad thing. Simple.

      • Speak the Truth

        You are full of untruth! The Fire Chief Cochran got fired because of people like you!

        • Chris

          No he got fired for forcing his book on his subordinates….doesn’t your copy of the bible include that part about “false witness” If Cochran wants to be a preacher, let him get a job doing so, if he is unable to treat everyone equally then he has no business in a government position, Good Riddance,

      • LoyalCatholic

        The anus is an exit not an entrance !!

    • Speak the Truth

      The gay bullies are the ones that got Fire Chief Kelvin Cochran fired.

      Free speech is not allowed in this country anymore because of gay bullies!

      As Christians we can’t speak about right and wrong anymore in this Country…we live in a TOXIC environment!

    • Donalbain

      They are so nefarious that they have gone invisible!

  • friendly_hedgehog

    I’m trying to look pretty closely, but I can’t find anything here that these purported “lgbt bullies” are meant to have done (aside from “report that sinise was appearing at the conference”) – am I missing something obvious? It seems like all the speakers you quoted dropped out because they disagreed with other parts of the conference, rather than because of outside pressure.

    • AugustineThomas

      They dropped out because they were afraid of being vilified by the supporters of homosexual perversion for the rest of their lives. They’re cowards and they’re worried that they might lose some future opportunity or not be popular and so they follow the fads of the moment, even if those fads are immoral.

      • friendly_hedgehog

        So, nobody actually did anything? It seems a little unfair to me to brand people “LGBT bullies” based on what (you claim) another group of people think they might have done in future (even if we disregard what the speakers actually SAID about why they dropped out of the conference). The only thing in this story that LGBT people have done is report that the conference is happening – surely that can’t offend your sensibilities so much?

        • Jim Dailey

          Who were the people that got Brendan Eich fired and what was his “crime”?

          • Donalbain

            Imaginary people. He was not fired.

  • I spent well over a decade desperately involved in “ex-gay” therapy and immersed in a fundamentalist Christian world. I was a true believer. At 31, I had a girlfriend…but there I was, taking the elevator to the top of the Empire State Building and once I made it to the top, I planned on jumping. I just didn’t see a way out. My truth was abominable to the Church and shameful to my family should they ever find out. I’m exhibit A as to what this type of “therapy” does to one’s mind and spirit. I’m discouraged by this conference and hope someday lawmakers and religious leaders understand this practice is leaving scars on the souls of humanity and must be stopped before another kid jumps or steps in front of a moving train.
    Bryan Christopher (Author, “Hiding from Myself: A Memoir”)
    http://tinyurl.com/o4frmhp

    • kathyschiffer

      But if reparative therapy works for the other guy, and for many other guys, should it not be a methodology open to them? Should one not be permitted to say “This worked for me”? I mean, Charlie Hebdo can say whatever the hell they want and the world applauds, but an ex-gay who tells his story should be censored? Please.

      • Who do you know that has been successfully treated with “reparative therapy?” Let he or she come forward and give their testimony. They have every right to share their story. Let’s hear from them.

        • AugustineThomas

          Did you read her article above? One of many is mentioned in it.

    • Anon. Courage Supporter

      This has nothing to do with reparation therapy, which is not the methodology of the Courage apostolate.

      Courage basically takes the view that for many same-sex attraction is beyond human ability to change, that what is within the human ability to change, with God’s help, is the ability to live the virtue of chastity. While there may be some number of people who experience same-sex attraction due to things like psychological trauma (which can perhaps be overcome); for the most part it seems to be something that just happens to some number of people due to some confluence of genetic, epigenetic, and environmental factors and can not reasonably be changed.

      Courage takes the view that every human being is created to be good and know God, that we all have evil inclinations, and that we need help facing those temptations.

      In this context “ex-gay” means someone who was living an active gay lifestyle, including being openly sexually active with other men, and who has since quit that lifestyle and chosen no longer to engage in sexual or romantic relations with other men.

      • Thank you for sharing the objective of Courage and your interpretation of faith. Are you making the argument that loving someone of the same gender is an “evil inclination?”
        If God is love, who are we as mere humans to judge that love as ungodly? Do you know any gay human beings? Your lifestyle comment seems perhaps not. I worked at the Playboy Mansion and been in a fraternity so Do we accuse those of being active in the “heterosexual lifestyle”?

        • John

          The Catholic Church teaches that all sex outside of marriage is immoral, and that includes heterosexual sex. So, yes, the same points about chastity apply to heterosexuals.

        • John Fisher

          “Loving”? Define that? Is living life using another’s body and person as an physical approximation for the opposite sex love? It is compulsion! Humans can “love” many things that are wrong… and even get a buzz from it. Homosexuality is same sex helter skelter!

          • While I appreciate your enthusiasm and concern, and even once clung to similar sentiments, I can no longer take your argument seriously as it is simply based on untruths and misinterpretations grounded in judgement. God is infinite so your finite understanding of the human condition is simply that: finite. You speak as though you hold the Truth and those that fall out of the circle you’ve drawn are not living the way God intended. The Pharisees did the same with Jesus. Check yourself Mr Fisher.

          • Jacob Suggs

            1) Our understanding is finite, but so is yours. Further, “God is infinite” is not the same as “God contains whatever I want Him to.” The question is what is true and what is not, or, to put it in terms similar to yours, to ensure that our finite understanding is contained in the infinite truth. This means not only dropping Jesus’s name, but listening to the truth that He taught.

            2) The pharisees’ problem was not that they held to the law or previously revealed teachings – Christ came to fullfil the law, not to destroy it (Matt 5:17). Their issues were hypocrisy, over attachment to appearances, and failing to recognize that Christ is God. Further, unless you can claim to be God, or at least one of His major prophets (please support by parting rivers, or raising the dead), you cannot really equate rejection of your views with rejection of Christ. Christ has an authority that the rest of us lack.

            3) Everyone who believes anything and states those beliefs speaks as though they hold the Truth, or at least some part of it. That’s what “believe” means. As a consequence, if you disagree with what I say is the truth, I must logically say that you don’t hold the truth, as well as that if you act against it that you are not living in accordance with the truth. The only possible reason this should offend you or anyone else is if you actually think that I am right. Otherwise, you think that I am wrong, and so what I think about the relationship between you and the truth is bogus anyway. Thus, rather than comparing people to the Pharisees that rejected the Son of the Living God, who is Truth Itself, because they reject your position, it makes rather more sense to engage what they actually say. In this way we can all correct our finite circles of understanding – cut off the bits outside the infinite truth, and push the boundaries to contain more that is within it at the same time.

          • The Truth, as both you and I know, is that Jesus taught us to love God with all our heart and love our neighbors as ourselves. It is not my intention to divide, but to unite. And I certainly didn’t intend to give the impression that a rejection of my views would be a rejection of Christ. Let me be clear: the Pharisees, in an attempt to catch Jesus breaking the Law, encircled a certain woman with stones in hand. The Law called for her stoning as she had committed adultery, but Jesus responded that he without sin, cast the first stone. Words are stones and were being thrown my direction. In that sense, the actions and judgments attached were similar to the Pharasees.

          • Jacob Suggs

            However, while God did set aside the punishment demanded by the law at that time and in that instance, the core of the law itself remained unchanged – adultery is still a sin. This is seen in the often less emphasized next part of that exchange wherein Christ tells the woman that what she was doing was sinful and commands her to stop.

            Further, it is true that Jesus taught us to love God with all our heart and to love our neighbors as ourselves, but that statement has definite meaning. And Jesus told us what that was: in part, “If you love me, obey my commandments,” (John 14:15).

            And He was pretty clear that He didn’t expect that to be easy. Take up your cross and follow me. The way is narrow. If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. And since He and His Apostles included among the lists of sins to be avoided many sins that can be motivated by what appears to us to be love, that makes it pretty clear that not even our strongest feelings of love can justify acting against His commandments. Not even love towards our closest friends and family. “You must hate your father and mother.” The order to one disciple to follow Him without even first burying his father.

            As for words being metaphorical stones – that is definitely possible, though from what I’ve read backwards (admittedly, not all that far), I can’t say that it seems obvious that that was the intent. But I urge you not to take even strong condemnations of actions or beliefs as stones, since these are in fact what Christ gave to the woman accused of adultery as a stone substitute.

          • Don’t listen to me. Listen to Paul. Romans 2 should perhaps clarify.

          • Jacob Suggs

            Indeed, Romans 2 is enlightening. But to get the full effect, I suggest you read more than just the first two lines, try to understand what the word judge means in that context, and read the rest of what Paul wrote as well.

            If you think that we cannot even point out that sin is sin without falling afoul of Romans 2, then I highly suggest reading rather more scripture than you have. Trees by fruit, test everything, confront each other over wrong doing, etc.

            And finally, trying to pit the words of Paul against the words of Jesus is not likely to be successful.

          • If God is love, how can we as mere human be so bold as to call the love between two humans of the same gender “sin?” How can love be a sin? And do you really think it’s our job as Christians to point out the “sins’ of others? If you believe the words attributed to Paul in his letter to the Romans (Romans 2), then it’s clearly not. And if you believe in the words attributed to Jesus, how do you explain the plank in your eye?

          • Jacob Suggs

            For pointing out sins: in the sense of running around seeking sinners to accuse, no. In the sense of being absolutely clear about what is and is not sin, yes. In the sense of engaging those who are willing to be engaged, or with whom we have relationships close enough to do so or that obligates us to do so (eg parent and child), also yes. I have plenty of planks in my own eye, and will not go seeking others to accuse of being plank ridden. But I will not pretend a plank is not a plank. Again, please read the whole New Testament as a unit, and don’t cherry pick passages to pit against each other. Context is key. And the context is the whole thing.

            For the issue at hand: Love is not a sin. But love can motivate us to sin. Do not confuse our motive and that which it motivates us to do. You say that calling homosexual acts sinful is the same as calling love sinful. Leave aside for the moment that there are different kinds of love – there is a complexity there that bears on this matter, but for now leave it aside.

            By your reasoning then, if we condemn a parent stealing money so that their children can get a better education, then we condemn love there too, since such an action is clearly motivated by authentic love of children. Or if we condemn the excesses of our country in attempting to defend itself, then we condemn love there as well, since such things are motivated by an authentic love of fellow countrymen. (To attempt to forestall the sorts of objections that tend to come up here, no I am not saying that homosexual activity is in any way the same as any of these other things except that it can be said to be motivated by love.)

            Love is one thing. What we do because of it is another. Love always seeks the good of the other, but in order for that to work, it has to actually know what good is, and in order for it to work well it has to do so in a good way. A parent may wish to instill self discipline in his children, and do it by disciplining to the point of abuse – we know this is bad, but if the parent does not, he may simply say he is acting according to love. (And in fact they do say that. “I am doing this because I love you.” They’re just horribly wrong.)

            I would go so as far to say that all sin is motivated by love, and not only by love, but by love of someone (perhaps ourselves) or something good. Just love that does not correctly prioritize. That is why we sin – we see some good (pleasure, comfort, wealth, power – all good things, in their places – or even more basically, food, water, survival). And because we see this thing that is good and wish this person (perhaps ourselves, perhaps a family member or close friend) who we love to have it, we get it for them, even if we do evil in the process.

            This is why all the warnings about sin in the bible. Why we cannot just rely on what seems to us to be loving. Why God insists that we put Him first, even above our own family – because if we do not, then we will do evil for their sakes, which is not only evil itself, but ultimately leads to more evil which will rebound upon them. We are fallen, and our instincts are often wrong, and so we must follow Christ when He tells us that something that to us may seem loving is wrong. It is not enough to say that we wish to do some action because we love someone. We must be sure that the action itself is good, and that it is intended towards a goal that is also actually good. So is love sinful? No. But it can motivate nearly anything.

          • Thank you for your thoughtful reply. You write, “We must be sure that the action itself is good, and that it is intended towards a goal that is also actually good.” To love someone and commit to the good of the other in a relationship based on mutual respect and support is not only good, but life affirming and healthy. On that point, I am sure.

          • Jacob Suggs

            True, however the question is whether homosexual activity is ultimately towards that goal. The teaching of Christianity is that, well meaning that it may be, it is not.

          • Jacob, do you really feel you’re in a position to sum up “the teaching of Christianity?” If so, You should use your gift to unite the divisions within the body of Christ. Even the disciples squabbled over the teaching of Christ. Wars have been fought over the interpretations of Christianity. And today you won’t find two people of the same congregation agreeing on everything. As a fundamentalist Christian, I was taught Catholics weren’t even “real Christians”. So for clarity, you might consider prefacing your beliefs with a simple “my interpretation of Scripture leads me to believe…”.

          • Jacob Suggs

            Perhaps I should have used the phrase “the traditional teaching of Christianity,” by which I would mean the teaching of all Christians at all times up until the last couple years. Though I hesitate to give the current fad among some groups of selectively ignoring things they don’t like the status of teaching, since they appear to have less the character of a logically coherent position and more of an emotional reaction to a few choice words.

            Wars have been fought over Christian teaching, but some things have been held pretty much constant, among them the idea that if St. Paul says, for instance, “Those who do X shall not inherit the kingdom of God,” then that means that X is sinful. In recent days, some people have… not so much contested that, as that implies an attempt to engage it in some way, but rather ignored it. I, as you might guess, don’t give positions that blithely ignore large parts of scripture much weight as areas of Christian teaching.

            I could at this point branch out into a discussion about God not contradicting Himself and all that, so that the early teaching is in fact the teaching, but I suspect that you can pretty well guess where I, as a Catholic, would take that, and it’s pretty tangential. But in any case, it is obvious that those closest to Christ, those to who Christ said “He who hears you hears Me,” said, and said clearly, that homosexual activity was sinful. So insofar as Christian teaching means “that which Christ taught” then I think my original statement is accurate.

            I have to say though – if you think reading “X is bad” as though it means that X is in fact bad requires delving into personal interpretations (which it in fact does, it just so happens that most people do interpret it that way), then you should realize how useless such things are and hence become Catholic.

          • rod masom

            Is love between two men always and everywhere to find its fullest expression in sexual intimacy between them? Does not restraint enter into the relationship at at least some level? Are men just animals, dogs, constantly seeking sexual release? But, dogs DON’T do these things; they follow their nature. Man’s nature is higher than that of dogs; do you not see the difference?

          • Speak the Truth

            St. Paul speaks for Jesus and St. Paul condemned Homosexual acts. I would listen to St. Paul not Bryan C.
            Who is Bryan C.?

          • John Fisher

            I think you need to really come to gips with the dark corners of human nature. There is a whole variety of dark corners people move towards. They finds dark things in their souls. There are many reasons why homosexual behaviour is wrong. That is truthful and reality. However for those who are involved in it is hard to accept. The horror is too confronting. Many seek to harmonise their inner conscience to allow their vices. Suicide and thoughts of it arise because their is no way out. Trapped within and without by others who know the secret.
            Having sex with female is not the answer. The answer is not to use others for sexual highs. To not use others or allow oneself to be used by others who love us for what? How we look, and orgasm, company. The gay scene is a swamp run run run from it. Be brave not a big coward.

          • John, John, John. I know you mean well and you undoubtedly have strong opinions on the matter. But our ability to have a meaningful discussion is undermined by your well-intentioned, but unsolicited advice, and your stereotypical use of words like “gay scene.” You don’t know me or the road I’ve traveled. Your assumptions are not based on fact, but rather theories. So to “encourage” me to be brave and follow your advice or risk being a coward is an approach that divides rather than unites.

          • John Fisher

            Accessory to another’s sin
            Your thread advocates homosexuality because you found it easier and difficult. The alternative you faced was dating a girl. I would have thought getting out of an sexual situation might be wiser. You can be perfectly happy being chaste providing you have a circle of good friends who won’t drag you down.
            We all have a responsibility for the sins of others. When we cooperate in them, we are an accessory to these sins, and this is possible in nine ways: By counsel, By command, By consent, By concealment, By Defense of evil done, By partaking, By provocation, By praise, By silence.
            (Reread the above slowly).

            As human we are not merely compelled to avoid
            vice. We are compelled to avoid the occasion of wrong doing, to avoid placing ourselves in a situation that will cause us or tempt us to do an evil.

            It is not enough to avoid evil but we must also avoid the appearance of evil as well. It is not enough to merely avoid wrong-doing but to speak-out against any wrong- doing.

            If someone is aware of an evil committed, there are nine ways that we can end up being guilty by our participation, or omission, regarding another’s sin.
            Unfortunately, “Silence” in face of evil, is common, when we choose to be silent we allow sin to occur and in by doing so, we too sin.
            So I wish you well. Be brave and please don’t try and advocate something wrong.

          • Speak the Truth

            The Bible which is the word of God, condemns Homosexual acts.

            Sorry Bryan, your god is a designed god of your own choosing!

        • Tziggy

          Bryan,
          It is obvious you have blinders on. You seem bent on defining and labeling people (yourself included) by their sexual attractions. Love and sex are NOT synonymous. Dignity and worth are NOT dependent on your attractions. What you do with your life, your worth, is far deeper than sexuality. Your focus is what drives despair.

          • I’m not defining myself by my “sexual attractions”. I’m not sure why you would even suggest that based on my thread. And how can I be blind when we agree?

          • Tziggy

            No Bryan, I very strongly suspect we do not agree.

            The fact that you at one time contemplated suicide because of your inclinations tells me something in your psyche was terribly disturbed. Your entire thread seems to me an argument that those who are same sex attracted should never be told about a way to carry that burden while living a life both chastely and joyfully. Instead, you argue that peace for same sex attracted individuals only comes when they succumb to their most base inclinations. Further, it would seem you desire those who disagree be silenced.

            Tell me, when you say:
            “If God is love, how can we as mere human be so bold as to call the love between two humans of the same gender sin?” Are you speaking of sexual intimacy? It would seem so, as I don’t see anyone speaking against one man loving another on this blog. Be specific Bryan. If you are talking about sex between two men or two women, say it. Because, Sex is not the same as love no matter what the gender combination is. That is my point. You identify people as “gay” or not “gay”. Having sex in your thread seems to be equated with “love”, and somehow you seem to infer dignity in celebrating this sexuality. Again, I say it’s not so.

          • I’m well aware of the way you suggest the “same sex attracted” carry their burden as that is what led me to taking the elevator to the top of the Empire State Building. Loving another human of the same gender is not a “base inclination.” And I’m talking about a relationship based on respect, intimacy, love and support. Do you also parse “opposite sex attracted” relationships? Are they somehow dignified because of the gender combination? I’ve not mentioned “having sex” at all in my thread but that seems to be the only thing you and other commenters want to focus on. I’m talking about committed love, which has nothing to do with sex. I’ve been in a fraternity and worked at the Playboy Mansion so I know a bit about the “base inclinations” of the “opposite sex attracted.” Are you inferring dignity on this sexuality? If not, then why aren’t you taking your message to Greek Row or singling out Playboy ” readers?” Are you inferring that a married gay couple in a committed monogamous relationship are somehow more “base” in their inclinations than a sexually immoral frat boy?

          • Tziggy

            Very astute Bryan. You see the way I parse your parsing. You don’t mention sex, you just infer it. Were you to boldy assert loving a person of the same sex “chastely” is not a sin, there would be no need for discussion now would there? Let’s stop playing around here. This is childish. Allow me to try to be a little less nebulous than you in stating my beliefs on this thread:
            I believe all sex outside of marriage is disordered no matter the gender combination. One is no less base than another. Let me put a finer point on that last statement: I believe all sex outside of “traditional” marriage is harmful to both the participants and society. I find the current drive to legalize “same sex marriage” nonsensical. To answer your last question, (which by the way is obvious enough, a person of your mental caliber should be embarrased to have asked). I don’t take “my message” to Playboy users or promiscuous frat boys because it is you and I having this discussion. I find Playboy and the filth that emanates from that institution repugnant. I also find your frequent reference to affiliations with Playboy telling of a journey steeped in our sexual sub-culture, which is why I suspect you aren’t willing to grasp any of what is being explained. Lastly, I have compassion for those who struggle with their sexuality, regardless of the nature of that struggle. It’s a strong drive and difficult to master. We are made in the image and likeness of God. THAT is where our worth and dignity comes from. We are called to act accordingly.

      • John Fisher

        Being a homosexual who is enslaved to the “gay” ideology and scene is like alcoholism, or gluttony. The approach Courage takes is all about breaking addiction, building good habits and self worth. establishing a clear conscience and good ability to form and follow a good conscience.

      • AugustineThomas

        This is absolute nonsense. Homosexual perversion is no more genetic than alcoholism. These obsessions develop from a series of bad choices and then people swear up and down that they’re genetic because they’ve become obsessed with their favorite sin.
        The fact that something is hard to quit, doesn’t mean it’s genetic and unavoidable.

    • John Fisher

      I don’t understand why you use a label such as gay or ex gay or even think “getting” a girlfriend to define or solve your issues. These is
      appetite sexual or otherwise. There is vice… there is bad habit and the prison of feeling or being told it is all inevitable… well it is not and you can decide to change living a moral life. Homosexual acts are a misdirection of the sexual urge. You do it because on some level it gives short lived pleasure. Homosexual behavior is in itself a problem but much more importantly has is roots in others deeper issues and events in your life.

      The answer is not sex. The answer is filling those deeper needs and issues. Homosexuality is no real answer to loneliness, boredom, emptiness, the need for care and a sexual out let. It is unstable, untrustworthy, addiction, empty, malicious, vain, narcissistic, sexual objectification, sexual use of another, a mistargeting of the sexual urge, a psychological violation and physical abuse. All of these results in a deep cancer of the soul and person.

      The answer is chastity and a weaning away from the addiction. Don’t despair just be brave and determined, pick yourself up and keep going. Bit by bit you will get ay from it. Cut off any homosexual friends, don’t label yourself or even obsess about anything you feel or desire. Let it pass by. After a period the mind will settle. Don’t bash yourself up. Use the energy to see the reality of homosexual cats and their sterility, look at the homosexual world and see it for the constructed lie it is. You are worthy of more. If you feel like killing yourself well better to kill all those connections and homosexual ways that have stoked the situation. Don’t kill yourself…. kill the underlying reasons for the issues. Deal with them one by one.

      Remember there is nothing braver than a person who overcame a vice, addiction or danger and came out conquering it or even fighting it off. Always much better to face and fight or lose a battle but win a war.There are two paths. One which leads to life and other to death. Be a hero!

    • AugustineThomas

      Homosexual perversion makes a much larger number of men and women suicidal because they become miserable living their lives in pursuit of lust.
      Should homosexual perversion be outlawed again because it’s proven to make so many men and women miserable and suicidal?

  • Rusty

    Austin Ruse article in crisismagazine.com gives more information regarding the people at the forefront of quieting those who don’t accept the LGBT narrative. Evidently the testimony of a man who no longer engages in homosexual behavior in order to practice his faith and receive the Eucharist is seen as a threat by some in the LGBT community.

  • Backflip

    To prepare the population for the camps, first the policies of gleichschaltung were employed. The enforcement and acceptance of those policies enabled a majority of the population to turn a blind eye to the eventualities of smokestacks and death all the while still considering themselves basically good people. Alas, the only difference I see between the gleichschaltung used by today’s homosexual activists and that of the gleichschaltung used by those not so long ago, is their choice of religious scapegoat. If only homosexual activists could be as honest as Islamic terrorists and treat all equally as infidels that disagree with them.

  • What a bunch of hoodlums the gay lobby consists of. First off, just because one speaks at a conference does not mean they endorse what the other speakers say. Second, what are they afraid of? Being able to change from gay to straight and back is either true or false. Just because someone claims his experience is true doesn’t make any difference to the reality. If it’s true that someone can change why would they want to prevent him/her? We allow this absurd sex change operation and in most cases it’s even paid for by the general public. Sex orientation change doesn’t sound so absurd to me.

    As an aside, I don’t blame the people for backing out. They don’t need or deserve the controversy.

    • Donalbain

      What did the hoodums do? They reported that some people were speaking.

      • LOL, yeah with the threat of losing their careers. Everyone knows the power of the gay lobby.

        • Donalbain

          And look at all the evidence you have for that claim.

  • niknac

    I’m confused. Is the Gay lobby the old closet queens in the Catholic hierarchy or liberal laity supporting full inclusion of LBGT?

    • John Fisher

      Its anyone who things homosexual acts are moral and supports it as a lifestyle rather than just one of many sexual aberrations.

      • niknac

        My own particular sexual aberrations are very pleasurable and important, to me. I bet your’s are to you.

        • John Fisher

          There are many forms of pleasure and right and wrong are not decided on the basis of pleasure. There is a deep satisfaction beyond pleasure or pain that comes from NOT behaving in a sexually immoral way. All the vices involve some form of pleasure followed by emptiness and deadening of conscience. I knew 2 homosexuals who killed themselves. Their homosexual behaviour led to extreme hurt and depression. No they did not think their behaviour wrong… but it caught up with them. That is the biggest lie perpetuated by the gay lobby. Many lives are destroyed and mislead into and confirmed in a vice.

          You are to be pitied as homosexuals suffer. Sooner
          or later you will be alone, betrayed, addicted finding yourself manipulating others for sex. Caught in a circle of your own making. You will look in the mirror and say the pleasures are gone, I have no self control no integrity and no youth….. I am sleaze…

          • captcrisis

            This does not describe any gay people I know.

        • Speak the Truth

          I feel sorry for you, for you are controlled by your sexual organs. Your perversion controls you, sad.

  • Dave

    Progressivism, partnered with militant homosexuals is showing the manipulating power of an Militant styled Islamic ‘fatwa!’

    The likeness is startling.

  • William J. Walsh

    I am a bit frustrated by the lack of information here. It appears that several people have reversed their commitments to speak at the conference of Legatus, a Catholic organization. They were apparently dissuaded by LGBT advocates of some sort because Legatus does or has in the past supported something called “reparative therapy.” This therapy, so far as I can tell, assumes that people who engage in same sex sexual activity can be happily redirected into hetrosexual conduct. While I’m sure this is possible in some cases, there are a lot of people who say its not, and maybe they are right about most people if not all people. I’m sceptical that people who are sexually active “gays” can often be redirected this way. Maybe I am wrong about what reparative therapy is though. In any event, I do not see why the LGBT lobby should care much about which Catholics speak at a Catholic organization’s function and I’m truly mystified by why people who describe themselves as believing Catholics would care what the LGBT lobby thinks about Legatus. Once we’ve said that we are Catholic I am sure we have offended at some level, so what is wrong with Gary Sinise and these other men?

  • billlang

    Supposedly 2 out of 100 Americans are gay. 34 out of 100 Americans are Catholic. However these people fear offending the 2% more than the 34%. Catholics need to put their money where their faith is supposed to be…..but they won’t! Any wonder why perversion is ruling the day? We will be held responsible for our sins of omission and commission.

    • AugustineThomas

      The problem is that most people who identify as Catholic live Secularist lifestyles and are truly more committed to being Secularist than Catholic.

      • billlang

        Sadly thats true.

  • What Is Reparative Therapy?
    Examining the Controversy
    http://josephnicolosi.com/what-is-reparative-therapy-exa/

    With God All Things Are Possible…Well… Except THAT!
    So,in all things I must emphatically profess the Scripture verse from
    Matthew 19:26: “with God, ALL things ARE possible”… yes, even that. –

    http://www.theraphaelremedy.com/blog/item/with-god-all-things-are-possible-well-except-that

    Not all stories deal with reparative therapy but since each person is different thereare different ways to help people

    Stories of Change
    Rich Wyler: A Change of Heart

    Rich wasin a complete state of crisis as he entered reparative therapy for homosexual sex addiction. His wife had caught him in yet another lie that was supposed tocover up his double life. He had “hit bottom.”

    Finding atherapist he could trust, and who had himself overcome unwanted same-sexattractions, Rich threw himself into the deep emotional work he had beenrunning from all his life. It changed his life.
    ………. http://www.peoplecanchange.com/stories/index.php

    Former Gay Activist Marries Woman; Addresses
    Critics Who Condemn His New Heterosexual Lifestyle http://www.christianpost.com/news/former-gay-activist-marries-woman-addresses-critics-who-condemn-his-new-heterosexual-lifestyle-110736/

    • kathyschiffer

      Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, Roo! Very helpful.

  • AugustineThomas

    Organizations that support perversion will never make peace with the Church, just as Satan will never make peace with God.

  • 2001Sacrament

    I too would like more objective information about what was said/done to discourage the three individuals from participating; it sounds a bit gossip-y at the moment and I think we need to uphold a strong standard of reporting since we know what it feels like to be at the warped end of shoddy journalism. That being said, from what I’ve read in the article here, Legatus sounds like a great apostolate and I’m grateful for their faithfulness. Austin Ruse and his work is also worthy of our support.

  • Catholic

    I accidentally came across this blog, and rarely have I seen comment so filled with lies, misconceptions, and outright bile. If you want to know why people are leaving the church, look at your own comments…who would want to spend any time with such a bunch of obvious liars? The Catholic Church used to pride itself on education and respect, apparently that has been lost if the comments here are a representative sample.

    • Tziggy

      Cite a few examples “Catholic”. Your hiding behind ambiguity.

  • shawnbm

    I am saddened by this news, but ’tis the modern world in the USA these days. It is shocking to see how vilified Christians are for respectfully dissenting from approving of same sex marriage or “gay lifestyle” on religious grounds that would not have been challenged similarly even ten years ago. It is utterly astounding.