Maintaining integrity during the election

Maintaining integrity during the election October 17, 2012

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  • ivan_the_mad

    CotCC 1908 is very important to consider, especially in light of all of the makers vs. takers lunacy. Ayn Rand: “Communism bad! Time for class warfare!”

  • Peggy R

    I have not seen one person here argue that loyalty to the GOP is a/the reason that one must vote for Romney. I’ve read here arguments that Romney is not as bad as Obama; life issues have a greater chance under Romney than under Obama, etc. I have read that some think Romney is better for the country in general. I don’t think I’ve read much love for the GOP in general. I think most readers understand that the GOP is not entirely pro-life–actually, its platform this year, from what I read, is much closer to Todd Akin than Romney.
    I have differences with with the GOP, but happen to favor that party’s approach to several matters over the Dem approach. But I don’t favor Romney for such a simplistic reason. If Romney didn’t share some of those ideas I favor, I wouldn’t like him much. For me to favor a Dem would require the Dem to be more like a conservative–so why is he a Dem?
    I don’t see the ‘party loyalty’ argument here and don’t know why our host harps on that. I think readers here are thinking about the good of the country, and some are reaching a different conclusion than Mark’s.

    • ivan_the_mad

      “I have not seen one person here argue that loyalty to the GOP is a/the reason that one must vote for Romney. ” Nor is that what’s being disputed here.

      • Peggy R

        I realize that this post is just a general discussion of party loyalty v church beliefs. I am using this thread to make the point I did make b/c Mark has on several posts suggested that people are insisting he/people must vote for Romney b/c of some party loyalty to the GOP. In one thread a few weeks back, I explicitly pointed out that no one has any “obligation” to vote for the GOP candidates, though perhaps some one steeped in a party may find himself conflicted in party v faith v nation.

        • Mark Shea


          The fact that I seldom see GOPers encourage, say, a Rebecca Hamilton to remain a Dem and try to change the party, while I constantly am urged to not “defect” from the GOP and support a third party does suggest that some sort of devotion to the GOP is at work in the general course of conservative politics. Still and all, my point in this piece was not to speak of the GOP in particular.

          • Peggy R

            Thanks for your reply. I agree this particular post was not about the GOP in particular. You must be receiving such pressures via email or outside the blog. I haven’t seen any one here tell you you must support the GOP. In fact, I think in a comment a few weeks back I said that if one wants to change the GOP one ought to show up at local meetings, etc., get involved and change it from within, or join a third party and get that off the ground. Either course of action is a lot of work, of course. I don’t know if conservatives are “devoted” to the GOP, but that they see the GOP as the alternative of the 2 major parties in which more closely aligns with their beliefs. A third party means lots of work and an uphill battle, which most conservatives have apparently opted against. The tea partiers are seeking changes to the GOP, rather than grow a third party. They’ve had many successes. Similarly, the radical left has transformed the Dems over the past few decades. We see the result now.

            Bonne chance. Happy voting.

          • yan

            Sure, there is some devotion to the GOP. And that devotion is legitimate, because politics is a team sport. I think you have always overlooked that very important point, Mr. Shea.

            As a practical matter, it is through the 2-party system that we exercise our responsibility as citizens to choose leaders and policies which we think are best. Both parties cannot exercise their vision of our common life at the same time in most cases, because our system is majoritarian. So to some extent, you have to pick the party that you think best represents the vision that you believe is right, and then to some extent vote for representatives of that party even if you don’t agree with the individual you are voting for on every point. Of course there are limits to that; for instance I am not going to vote for a pro-choice Republican. But on the whole, you have to consider that when you vote for a person you are also voting for his party; and what his party stands for counts, because his party will endeavor to make him, the individual candidate, conform to and help to carry out the party vision, even if he, as an individual office holder, disagrees with his party on a particular point. Because he knows that politics is a team sport and you can’t get much of anything done in a democracy by your individual fiat; not even if you are President.

  • dpt

    Just turned in my absentee ballot and wrote in Mark Shea, Seattle Area Blogger, for president.

    • Mark Shea

      i hope you are joking.

      • dpt

        I’m not.
        I live in California, which will go to President Obama so you were my protest write-in this year.
        It was someone else in 2008.