Now This is How Noah Debates Should be Done

Now This is How Noah Debates Should be Done April 3, 2014

John C. Wright, half of the Wright/Shea Mutual Admiration Society, went to see Noah on the strength of Steve Greydanus’ recommendation.

He hated it.  And being the gifted scribe he is, he held forth in his characteristically gifted way, railing against the film and sending bootless cries of anguish to the brass heavens about this tragic lapse in Greydanus’ taste.  All good, clean fun.

Now Steve has replied in his comboxes and I may have to take the plunge and read the whole thing.

Y’see, I’ve been avoiding reading it because (grrrr) I still haven’t found time to see the movie yet and I don’t want a bunch of spoilers (I’ve already basically got the gist of a lot of the spoilers, which drives me crazy).

Anyway, a Wright/Greydanus argument (and I use that word very carefully because these guys argue, not quarrell) will be a pleasure.

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  • John C Wright

    It will be a pleasure for me up until the point where Steve beats me like a carpet and sends me squealing for the hills.

    I really think you should not see this movie, though, Mark.

    • chezami

      I’ll take my chances. 🙂

    • tteague

      John, I generally tend to agree more with Steve’s take on the film, but I really enjoyed your review. It is one of the first I read that actually walks through the film scene by scene, pointing out structural issues, plot problems, and craftsmanship concerns. It is a film, a work of art, after all, and thus should do what works are art are supposed to do, or they fail.

    • I think Wright nailed a lot of the artistic mistakes in the movie. I enjoyed my time in the theater, and agree more with Greydanus than with Wright on the interpretation, but my inner movie critic never stopped going, “Wait! Why on earth would you do it that way?” Also, I think Aronofsky needs to fire his editor.

  • Andy, Bad Person

    I like baseball because it’s a group of people that are more athletic than me competing at something that I can’t do well, but can at least understand.

    Watching Wright / Greydanus makes my head hurt because they’re both much smarter than me and I don’t understand much.

    Can we just all play D & D?

    • Rebecca Fuentes

      I’m with you. It will be like watching giants wrestle-awesome, but possibly dangerous for the spectators.

  • Dave G.

    The good news is that most reviews from most sources are along the same line.

  • Jason Colby

    The idea of “spoilers” for a movie about Noah makes me chuckle. I do know what you mean, but, still, it’s a funny old world, innit?

    • chezami

      I’m still wondering how Titanic ends.

      • tteague

        at the bank

        • Alexander S Anderson


      • SteveP

        It was put on ice. Ba-dum-dum.

      • george-a

        Seriously, my friend was nagging me to go see Titanic, back in the day. I asked why I should go see a movie that I knew the ending and it was all bad? Stumped her, so I didn’t go.

    • Dan Berger

      I think spoilers are overrated. If you can’t enjoy a movie because you already know an outline of the plot… it can’t be much of a movie. Or it was made by Shyamalan.

      • Mariana Baca

        I wish I could upvote this more. Plus, I love movies with rewatchability. I especially hate when the creators lie to ward off spoilers. If your audience is clever, stay silent. Don’t insult us for the “twist”.

  • Ye Olde Statistician

    I’ve already basically got the gist of a lot of the spoilers, which drives me crazy

    There’s a big flood, and a lot of people don’t make it through.

    • chezami

      Great. Now the movie is wrecked. At least don’t tell me how “Lincoln” ends.

      • Mark Wilson

        I believe that Leonardo Caprio dies in the end also. Rose makes it through and becomes Noah’s favoirite daughter in law in the end. Also the unicorns make it on another special unknown boat or are rescued by someone in a time machine. And I won’t tell you about the dinosaurs and what happens to them.

    • Alma Peregrina

      But Noah and his family survives!