Genesis 1:28 and Same-Sex Marriage

Genesis 1:28 and Same-Sex Marriage October 27, 2014

I recently had someone quote Genesis 1:28 to me as though it were an argument against gays and lesbians being allowed to marry, since they cannot fulfill what it commands. This is how I replied:

If you are referring to reproduction, then they have the same options available to them that infertile heterosexual couples have. If you are referring to ruling over the fish, I haven’t figured out how to do that yet myself…

Genesis 1:28, in case you don’t know it, reads:

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

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  • Earthlings Make Me So Angry
    • Gary

      Perhaps an inefficient fish fry. Much energy wasted to fry six fish.

  • So, what happens to Genesis 1:28 AFTER we’ve filled the earth?

    Arguably, we’ve tried a lot harder to obey this particular commandment than some of the others.

  • Michael Wilson

    Regarding ruling fish, has Aquaman come out of the closet yet? As for gays being unable to fulfill this command, well what do you say to that? Does it mean we are onligated to produce as many off-spring as possible? What about gays that have children, like everyone in Sparta, are they ok?

  • Jason Engel

    It’s not a command. It’s a blessing. They are not the same thing.

  • Karazzzz

    Over four billion people have been added to the world in the last 50 years. Religion is killing us.

    • Andrew Dowling

      Well, it’d be more like sex, better medicine/healthcare, and increased/more efficient food production is kil . . . wait?!

      I agree overpopulation is a problem, but blaming it on religion is a little silly.

  • John MacDonald

    Speaking of Genesis and sexuality, in her essay “The Gender Binary And LGBTI People (in Christianity Is Not Great, 2014, ed. John Loftus),” Veronica Drantz argues that:

    “The religious story most responsible for the persecution of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex (LGBTI) people is the biblical ‘Adam and Eve’ creation account. This mythical explanation of human origin is the source of the ‘gender binary’ concept having three pertinent, implicit notions: (1) there are only two sexes (male, female), (2) sex and gender are the same (female = woman, male = man), and (3) there is only one kind of sexual attraction (heterosexual) … [even going so far in Old Testament Law as demanding] the death penalty for a man who ‘lies with a male as with a woman (Leviticus 20:13) (The Gender Binary And LGBTI People, 242-243).”

    The bible created a horrific, nightmare of a world for LGBTI people.

    • friendly reader

      Eh, I just finished living two years in a country where >1% of the nation is Christian and not particularly religious, either (Japan). They’re nowhere near being as ready for same-sex marriage as America is, and have even fewer protections for people who might come out at work or at school. (They thankfully *do* lack the whole “they don’t reproduce, they recruit” narrative that makes me sick to my stomach.)

      Heteronormative and binary traditions are fairly widespread, in both religious and secular societies. In Japan, the problem is a culture of conformity, of consensus, of not rocking the boat and defying expectations society places on you. The problem in America is that an alarming number of people read a book written between 2000 and 2500 years ago on the other side of the world and believe it shouldn’t be interpreted through that lens of time and space. I think the latter is, in many ways, a LOT easier to change than the former.

  • Jerome

    Good point!

  • redpill99

    i’m not a christian or jew, i’m an atheist. but if you believe that the Torah or bible is the word of god, i would interpret that statement “God blessed them and said to them, “Be
    fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over
    the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living
    creature that moves on the ground.”

    as a blessing and a command, and that all of the bible’s statements on homosexuality taken together is clear that yahweh is against homosexuality and gay marriage.

    that statement in combination with all other statements in the bible provide support of a doctrine that yahweh is against homosexuality and gay marriage as a moral perversion.

    • Gary

      “… and that all of the bible’s statements on homosexuality taken together is clear that yahweh is against homosexuality and gay marriage.

      that statement in combination with all other statements in the bible provide support of a doctrine that yahweh is against homosexuality and gay marriage as a moral perversion.”

      Replace “YAHWEH” with “the multiple authors of the texts in the bible”, and it might be closer to reality. Poor old YAHWEH would have to be either sexless, or contain both sexes in one package. So poor YAHWEH would have to be considered part of the LGBT community today, by our current standards.

  • redpill99

    Genesis 1:28 and Same-Sex Marriage

    October 27, 2014 by James F. McGrath 12 Comments

    I
    recently had someone quote Genesis 1:28 to me as though it were an
    argument against gays and lesbians being allowed to marry, since they
    cannot fulfill what it commands. This is how I replied:

    If
    you are referring to reproduction, then they have the same options
    available to them that infertile heterosexual couples have. If you are
    referring to ruling over the fish, I haven’t figured out how to do that
    yet myself…

    Genesis 1:28, in case you don’t know it, reads:

    God
    blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number;
    fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the
    birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the
    ground.”

    ^

    this statement reminds me of the debate over Jesus myth.

    if you recall Doherty Carrier Price et all claims James brother of the Lord is in a metaphorical sense that all believers are brothers, but in the context Paul was writing it means to mainstream scholars James the biological brother of Jesus.

    Paul also says he got his gospel not from any man but from a celestial Jesus. But in context it means to mainstream scholars Paul was only alluding to circumcision and elsewhere Paul says he got his gospel from other Christians.

    John of Revelation clearly stated his information on Jesus clearly comes from his vision. It’s not clear to me if he believe Jesus ever existed if all we had was his one book to read.

    Genesis 1:28 by itself doesn’t address same-sex marriage but Genesis 1:28
    in combination with all the other statements on homosexuality throughout the bible is evidence against gay marriage for the Christian believer.

    • OK, I’ve been debating whether you are a troll/spammer or not, and this seems to clinch it. On the one hand, you try to turn every post’s comment thread onto the same topic, without actually showing any indication of actually interacting with what has been said previously about the subject. On the other hand, you copy and paste in part of my own post in a manner that is inexplicable. Goodbye.