Anti-Semitism Raises its Ugly Head in Irving TX

Anti-Semitism Raises its Ugly Head in Irving TX March 21, 2015

Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne has succeeded in getting the Irving City Council to vote its support of a bill by Texas state Rep. Jeff Leach, R-Plano, that would forbid judges from using foreign law in their rulings. The reason, according to the mayor, and apparently Rep. Leach was to block the actions of religious courts.

So I went looking for religious courts in the DFW Area and the first thing I found was the Beth Din of the Magen David Congregation, http://www.magendaviddallas.org/beth-din.html. This Jewish congregation offer the following: “A Beth Din is a religious rabbinical court for Din Torah [Torah court]” and goes to say “The Beth Din serves the community by arranging for a “Gett” [divorce by Jewish law], orthodox conversions, assisting with financial agreements, halachic questions, marriage counseling, dream interpretation, business counseling, arbitrations [according to Jewish law] and other agreements, documents and decrees. If you have need for a Gett or assistance of the Beth Din, contact Rabbi Moyal today!”

Well I say if it calls itself a court, and does what courts do, its a court. So surely this is exactly what Mayor Van Duyne is after, keeping Orthodox Jews from having their religious courts.

And of course Rep. Leach wants to do the same thing state-wide, so I assume that these Jewish courts must be virtually everywhere there are Jews.

Now I know that Texas hasn’t exactly been friendly to the Jewish people. 60 or 70 years ago Jewish doctors couldn’t practice in most Texas hospitals, Jews couldn’t join country clubs and civic association, and private schools were totally closed to Jews. But I had really hoped we had gotten beyond this kind of anti-semitism and were prepared to allow Jews to be accepted fully in our society, despite their unusual clothing (not just kipahs, but of course Orthodox women wearing only black and covering their natural hair with wigs or headscarves, and Jewish men with their black hats and talit hand from their shirts.) I thought we were willing, here in Texas, to recognize that Jews should have full religious freedom.

But no. The Irving City Council openly debated a statement [I add in deference to those who believe I misunderstood: appears to me to be] aimed clearly at Orthodox Jews, and the Texas State Legislature will hold hearings on [what appears to me] an open attempt to attack the Orthodox Jewish Community and its faith. So apparently we might as welcome back the KKK and wait for the next round of synagogue burnings. Thank you Rep. Leach. Thank you Mayor Van Duyne. You may not have intended to attack Jews, but appears that you did.

I do wonder, of course, where all those evangelical Christians are who put Israel’s national flag next to the US flag in their sanctuaries. Are you all just going to let public figures advance legislation that attacks Jewish Interest? Pastor Hagee down in San Antonio. Shout out. Have you heard these folks are attacking your buddies? But I haven’t heard from the Jewish community either, although I’ll grant most aren’t Orthodox. Still, AJC, ADL AIPAC. Just going to let this happen?

I guess we’ll see.

 

 

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  • Jacqualea Cooley

    This is the biggest bunch of prevarication that I have ever read. Get your facts together and be a citizen of Irving, Texas and the USA and quit the fear mongering. Read the bill, learn a little about the law and shut the heck up about the City attacking you, This is the worst POS I have every read. Contact me if you would actually like to understand it.

    • Robert Hunt

      I have read the law. The question is why it is being offered. In fact no US court can enforce a decision in arbitration that contravenes US law. That is already the law in the US. So why this law aimed at “foreign law?” Can you point at a single case in the entire US where a “foreign law” has been enforced in a US court and contravenes the US constitution? No. But, the sponsor of the bill has already said that it is intended to “fix” the problem of a particular religious tribunal. So we know why it is being raised. It is an attack at religious courts. Irving’s citizens need to be less self-righteous and more realistic. You shot at Muslims and you hit Jews. Time to put down the weapons of bigotry and try loving your neighbors.

      • Jacqualea Cooley

        You obviously do NOT know the facts. The bill is being offered to codify the State and US Constitutions, which act will make them easier for judges to cite and use in application. It is rather like a city stating in their charter the things that they want for their city. Maybe they state they want all lawns to look nice. That is hard to enforce until there is a code on record that reads “all lawns shall be no higher than 12 inches.” When HB562 passes, there will be nothing changed, but both of the constitutions will be part of the State of Texas code. It is that simple. People like you who go off the deep end accusing the city and in turn the state of doing things that are so really make me sick. I am a huge support of Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu, but I absolutely ahbor fear mongering which is what you have done in this article.

        The statement you made that “The Irving City Council openly debated a statement aimed clearly at Orthodox Jews, and the Texas State Legislature will hold hearings on an open attempt to attack the Orthodox Jewish Community and its faith” is patently false and deserves to be stuffed down you throat. Please retract this piece of trash. Meet with the city or state representatives and learn something and rewrtie this article.

        • Robert Hunt

          Are your suggesting that the US Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Texas are currently just aspirational in Texas courts, and don’t have the force of law? That Texas judges make their rulings without reference to these fundamental documents? In any case on separate occasions both your mayor and the sponsor of the bill have made it clear that their actions are related to religious tribunals or courts – so I think that their intentions are clear. In any case I’ve offered reasons why this appears an attack on the practice of Orthodox Judaism. If it wasn’t then perhaps the parties involved will explicitly state that the activities of the Beit Din and similar bodies were not referenced in the bill.

          • Jacqualea Cooley

            Both the mayor and sponsors have repeatedly said that the bill is NOT, repeat NOT, aimed at Muslims or any other religious groups. I challenge you to find in any statement whatsoever that Mayor Beth Van Duyne or for that matter Representative Matt Rinaldi, co-author of HB562 has made a statement that even borders on stating that their actions are related to religious courts. I will even help you look. You may find the entire city council meeting on the city website with everything both of them said. You can also access the Mayor’s interviews online. And I am sure you know that if she made such a statement to the press that Avi Selk would have it in capital letters in the Dallas MOrning News. There is no such statement.

            You apparently were so intent on making points back at me that you did not read my post for information. Yes, both documents are available as they have always been available for judges to make rulings from, but if codified it makes it much clearer and cleaner for all concerned when there could be a gray area for the judge to rule. How hard is that to understand? Perhaps you do not understand the word codify? Look it up.

            I challenge you to back up your statement “on separate occasions both your mayor and the sponsor of the bill have made it clear that their actions are related to religious tribunals or courts…” Mayor Beth Van Duyne is way above any action such as that.

            You said that you have read the bill. If this is true, then you know that “activities of Beit Din and similar bodies were not referenced in the bill.” So which is it? Are you are liar in your first or second post?

            Do Jews also practice taqiyya?

          • Robert Hunt

            I based my statement on the Dallas Morning News report. If the mayor and one of the bill’s sponsor say that they have no intentions regarding religious courts that is fine by me. All to the good. I note that the US and State constitution are not “available” to judges. They are the foundational documents on which all rulings are based. Are you suggesting that for the last 100 or so years our state courts have not had adequate legal guidance for their rulings? You don’t seem to understand what a law is, or what a court does.

        • Jacqualea Cooley

          An by the way only has to google shariah law applied in US courts to find many examples of it being applied instead of US law. Amazon has an entire book on it. Here are a few for you to peruse. Note what happens when shariah gets mixed into US law. http://shariainamerica.com/by-name/

          • Shiphrah99

            Oooooooh, Amazon has a whole book on it. Amongst the 3.4 million titles available. A whole book! And because someone saw fit to publish it, it’s not filled with crap? Wow. I am so impressed – but probably not in the way you intended.

          • Anthony Davis

            No Sharia, and none of it’s closely related cousin Halakha in the USA. This is not a Moslem or Jewish nation.

          • Shiphrah99

            It’s not a Christian one, either.

          • Robert Hunt

            Hmm. I checked the web site. Most of the listed cases led to empty pages. A few led to rulings in foreign countries (like the Philippines) But in the US take Alkhafaji v TIAA-CREF, LLC. The court ruled that the existing will, drawn up in compliance with Islamic law, was a valid will in Pennsylvania law. So it DID NOT rule on the basis of Shari’a, but on the basis of Pennsylvania law. Like all the rest it proves nothing. Again, find me a single decision where the judge states that he/she is finding on the basis of foreign law rather than US law.

      • Johann Wald

        It’s an attempt by a religious court to supersede the civil and criminal courts sanctioned by our form of government that are supposedly administering the law equitably. Religious courts of the nature the Jews are trying to weasel into existence are by their very nature, antithetical to every concept of law currently practice in mostly free Western nations today. If you’re going to bend over backwards to advocate for a group, I’d suggest you learn a little more about them first. A good place to start would be here http://tinyurl.com/mswzbot on a web page entitled “The Truth about the Talmud” by Michael Hoffman. From Amazon on a review of one of his books; “Hoffman is Christendom’s foremost living scholar of rabbinic Judaism”. Source: Mickey Henry, TribalTheocrat.com. You open the above comment with the statement “I have read the law.” Maybe then you should read some “Jewish” laws. Following are some quotes from the Talmud that Mr. Hoffman refers to at the site I mentionsed.
        Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
        Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
        Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
        Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
        Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
        Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years “and a day” old).
        Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
        Kethuboth 11b. “When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing.”
        This is the law you’re defending? Maybe you should spend some time to regroup.

    • Shiphrah99

      Apparently you don’t understand sarcasm or irony.

      • Jacqualea Cooley

        I have no idea to what you refer. Please explain.

        • Arbustin

          She’s referring to the fact that the tongue-in-cheek nature of this article went way over your head. Of course the proposed statute has nothing to do with batei din or Judaism. It has everything to do with targeting Shariah and Islam. The author is using sarcasm to point out that the statute is so broad as to attack batei din even though it is based on the creation of David Yerushalmi, unfortunately one of the biggest Jewish Islamophobes out there [Dina d’malchuta dina means the law of the country you are in is the law, it is roughly the Jewish version of “render under Caesar”.]

      • Jacqualea Cooley

        If you are referring to the first post, the gentleman was not being sarcastic or using irony. He states that fact. So what are you accusing me of?

        • Shiphrah99

          Idiocy. Paranoia.
          You mean to tell me that this really IS about a bet din and not sharia law? Neither of which contravene the constitution, as “Dina malchuta dina.” Look it up.

  • Johann Wald

    Common sense rears its head in Texas and once again, whiney Jews call it anti-semitism. Suggestion, you all need to make “yeehah” back to Israel chop chop. That’s right. Every single Jew in the US needs to pack up and head for the promised land. Then you won’t have to fret over trivialities such as this.

    • Robert Hunt

      I assume you are being ironic. If not I’ll have to remove your post.

      • Johann Wald

        No. This is not irony. It’s called sarcasm. If you want to strike a blow blow for a Semitic interpretation of the 1st Amendment and remove my post, that’s your prerogative. Please bear in mind that Jews are always harping about “separation of church and state” but then propose to allow a completely separate set of laws to be applicable to them and only them. I’d call that hypocrisy. I was referring to that and their much vaunted “right of return” (aliyah AKA “yeehah”). Jews committed a huge land grab in the ME when they stole Palestine. They all should capitalize on it and move there. According to the Zionists, it’s their religious obligation and they’d be doing everyone else a favor.

        • Jacqualea Cooley

          I agree with this in part. There is a great deal of hypocrisy that goes on with the Jews here in the United States. I believe that I support their homeland more than they do. Most of them are Obama supporters and look what he has done to them, yet they continue to support him.

          • Johann Wald

            There’s a great deal of hypocrisy that goes on with Jews anywhere they are in the world. Supportive of open borders and open immigration in every Western Country but keep everyone out of Israel except for Jews is probably the most egregious. But really, what has Obama “done” to the Jews? Seems to me the only thing he’s “done” is to piss off the warmongering crowd behind psycho BB and not committed the US to another illegal, useless and wasteful war in the ME that benefits only Israel and their plans to become the sole ruling entity in the entire region (for starters). But, if one takes a closer look at Obama’s historical relationship with Jews, what we find is that he was mentored in politics by David Axelrod. He got his start in Chicago in Axelrod’s house and was supported by wealthy Chicago Jew Betty Lu Salzman. His largest corporate sponsor in his first run for the President was Goldman Sachs and Jews voted for him at a rate of 70% or better in both elections. His first white house chief of staff was dual citizen Rahm Emmanuel, a certified nutcase (see Rolling Stone article on his post election behavior)son of an Irgun terrorist and a fanatical (some would be kind and say “strictly observant”) Orthodox Jew, who personally volunteered service with the IDF (not the US Army) during the first Gulf War and habitually spends his free time in Tel Aviv. The MSM gave Obama a free pass on his credentials as well, which were none, when a white candidate would have been crucified. Now, given that he’s been surrounded and supported by Jews at close quarters for years, he’s either a super smart trickster that fooled all these (as they claim) real smart Jews or there’s something else going on here. I don’t think it’s that this obviously stupid mulatto was clever enough to fool so many for so long either.

    • Monika Solomon

      I am a jew and I am actually using this article to back my point that this is NOT anti-Semitism. this law is being used to keep MUSLIMS from having their SHARIA court which is UNACCEPTABLE. I have a bunch of liberal friends who like to see how much they can poke at me with sticks because i’m conservative, a non-observant jew, and relocating to Texas. the laugh is on them as Texas is the greatest state in the nation!

      • Johann Wald

        Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni is on record for saying “Anti-semitic”, “its a trick we always use it”. http://tinyurl.com/lyuxcqa
        Good for you. Were you aware that some Judaic law has weaseled its way onto the books in the US. I’m referring specifically to the “Noahide Laws”, which incidentally have nothing to do with Noah, and were placed on the books by our traitors in Congress under the guise of “Education Day”. Now this day has very little, if anything with education but is rather a day to honor that worthless POS Rabbi Schneerson, one of the most hateful and outspoken Jewish supremacists of the 20th century. You say “I am a Jew” as though it’s something to be proud of. You might as well as be saying “I’m a traitorous, lying, arrogant, hypocritical self worshipping, inbred misanthrope” for what it’s worth. My advice; change your last name to “Smythe”, become a Presbyterian or something similar and try to forget everything your “handlers” attempted to instill in you during your formative years if you want to have any hope of rejoining the human race.

        • Allegra Az

          LOL!

  • Anthony Davis

    This is the USA, not Israel. Jews are free to either assimilate and follow the laws of the USA, or they can live in Israel. Sharia and Halakha do not belong as part of our SECULAR court system.

    • Shiphrah99

      They’re not. Show me one single case in which sharia or halakha determine the outcome of a secular case.

  • Robert Hunt

    I’ll just add two notes to this discussion. First, there appears to be a strong link between HB 562, in its current form, and draft legislation provided by David Yerushalmi. The history of his efforts is available if you google his name. The New York Times and and Southern Poverty Law Center have excellent articles detailing how anti-Shari’a legislation, which failed to pass muster in Federal courts, has been transformed to legislation against “international” or “foreign” laws. Given that there is a pretty clear geneology of bias I don’t think its a stretch to think that the Texas bill is fruit off the same tree. I’ll admit he seems an unlikely source of attacks on Orthodox Beit Din, but who knows with bigots.

    Second, it is ingenuous, indeed ridiculous, to assert that this proposed legislation fulfills any purpose other than to attempt to garner political support among people who are afraid of non-Christians, specifically Muslims. Discussions of “codifying” constitutional law for the benefit of courts is completely bogus. All courts are obliged to rule in accordance with both the US and State constitution. That is the basis on which their ruling are judged by appellate courts on the state and federal level. These laws are written to garner votes among those who are scared of non-white, non-Christian citizens of the US and serve no other purpose than this rather insidious political purpose. Politicians who say otherwise and are not actually lying are gullible dupes of the anti-Shari’a movement.

  • Y. A. Warren

    As a country, we have come to the point where we must decide which laws are ascendant, the religious or the civil laws of our secular constitution.

  • LOL The religious right only loves the Jews that live in Israel. I thought everyone already knew that. But in this case I think the target was the perceived threat of shariah law being imposed on Irving Texas (a hilarious enough proposition but one certain nutjobs take seriously), and the Orthodox Jewish community is just caught in the crossfire.

  • WeldonScott

    Goyim trash! LOL

  • G8r

    Like some of the comments here (from people who have actually read the law), there actually is no real change here as it is already defined at the federal level that foreign laws cannot trump constitutional protections.
    So opponents to this law either haven’t read it, or are truly wanting their courts to operate outside of constitutional protections. I highly doubt this is the case, but it should be considered.
    As for the proponents of the law… It is true that there is some political posturing here. But to dismiss it as being only that is foolish.
    Everybody should be aware that protections guaranteed by law are useless if those who it protects are unaware of the law. This is the same reason why (by law) hospitals are required to post signs in their emergency rooms that guarantees service regardless of the status of the patient. It’s already the law that they must be served, but its important that the public are aware of the law.
    In Irving’s case (I live in Irving btw), there is a concern for how are laws are respected by the Muslim community, and we want to make sure people (women) are not subject to limits in excess of what is protected constitutionally. This concern is not unwarranted. There are interpretations of sharia that are far in excess of our constitutional protections. Only a few miles down the street from this mosque, there were two young girls brutally murdered by their father, in the back of his taxi cab because they were dating non-Muslims.
    The more public this matter gets, the people become aware of their protections, and the better off we will be. Any courts that operate within constitutional bounds have ABSOLUTELY ZERO to worry about. If on the other hand, it intends to operate beyond that, they absolutely should be concerned, and their objections should be carefully observed.

  • Sterling Ericsson

    Wait, how is blocking foreign law language in court rulings, something I feel shouldn’t be in any rulings anyways, an “open attempt to attack the Orthodox Jewish Community and its faith”?

    As for religious courts, so long as they don’t have any real binding effect on anyone, I don’t care about them. But religions should have no political power at all.

  • Matt Ybañez

    I can’t help but stir the pot a bit here…How many of the people who have commented on this article (and for fun we’ll include the local and state legislators) advocate the proud display of the Ten Commandments in/around Texas courts, etc.? That is truly Irony.

    • Guest

      Yes, because the Ten Commandments take so many basic human rights away from an individual that I totally know what you mean. If most Arabs across the Middle East are against Sharia, then we probably should be as well. Please go read what Sharia Law entails before even trying to compare it to Christian principles.

      • Matt Ybañez

        So, just to restate your point, to make sure I understand…you’re claiming that the Ten Commandments are Christian principles and not Jewish? And you also understand that since they were penned (whether by God or people) in a foreign land, that this law would seem to further disqualify the Big 10 from eligibility for public display in government buildings? Therefore, this law is anti-SEMICHRTISTISLAMIC. People say the Bible is full of contradictions, but just as often, if not more so, it’s the bible’s human interpreters, and not the text. (Same happens to be true for the Islamic texts as well…which I have read).

  • PizzaGod

    Too Funny, thanks for writing this article, I will now be using this when i see post on this subject.

  • johntyd

    The Beth Din must first get a concession from the State authorities to operate within their agreed areas of jurisdiction. Obtaining a Gett can’t be a problem where Jewish marriage is legally recognized. You can’t just setup a Beth Din without deference to the State and then complain about anti-Semitism when the State authorities don’t comply with the fait accompli presented.

    In Melbourne the deferral to judgment by a Beth Din on say some civil matter must first be approved by the civil court into which it was brought. This story is just crap and whining and a cause of anti-Semitism itself.