L.B.: Cursed are the peacemakers

L.B.: Cursed are the peacemakers December 23, 2004

Left Behind, pp. 68-71

Our first real glimpse of Nicolae Carpathia comes through the eyes of Chaim Rosenzweig, who is rather impressed with him:

“I found him most charming and humble. … Impressive, that’s all I can say. … He knew my language as well as his own. And he speaks fluent English. Several others also, they tell me. Well educated but also widely self taught. And I just like him as a person. Very bright. Very honest. Very open. … a man of high ideals.”

All of this sounds laudable and is meant to be interpreted favorably. But Rosenzweig also says the Magic Words regarding Carpathia — the words that indicate to every premillennial dispensationalist “prophecy” buff that this man is clearly the Antichrist:

“… a peacemaker and leading a movement toward disarmament. … I believe his goal is global disarmament.”

That word — “peacemaker” — practically screams Antichrist. For LaHaye and Jenkins’ intended readers, it wouldn’t be any clearer if Carpathia had the number “666” tattooed on his forehead and went by the nickname “Horny Beast.”

For those not initiated into the cabalistic logic of PMD prophecy freaks, this seems counter-intuitive. Peace, after all, is generally regarded by Scripture as a Good Thing. Peace is one of the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22). The Messiah is described as the “Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6-7). Peace is often spoken of by God’s angels, including the heavenly host of the Christmas story in Luke 2 (cue Linus), who sing, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.”

Since we’re on the subject, a few more examples:

Psalm 34:14: “Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.”

Isaiah 32:17: “The fruit of righteousness will be peace.”

Matthew 5:9: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.”

Ephesians 2:17: “He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.”

James 3:18: “Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.”

We could go on, and on, and on. Peace is a pretty major theme in the Bible.

But none of this matters to the prophecy nuts who are convinced that the Antichrist will be a man of peace. And since they believe that the most important thing for Christians to do is to be on the lookout against the Antichrist, and vigilantly opposed to his evil ways, they believe that Christians must oppose anyone who speaks of, pursues, or tries to make, peace.

This is one of the most astonishing and dangerous aspects of the popularity of the End Times heresies promoted by people like LaHaye and Jenkins. It is one of this biggest reasons why this matters — deeply, truly, seriously matters.

Tens of millions of copies of the Left Behind books have been sold. That doesn’t just mean that tens of millions of our fellow citizens have horrible taste in literature. It also means they are being taught to oppose — to condemn as immoral and ungodly — any effort that goes under the name “peacemaking.”

Since they believe the Antichrist will rule over a one world government, these readers are also being taught to fear, loathe and oppose the United Nations and anything that smacks of multilateral or international cooperation. (We’ll see much more about the UN as we get further into L.B.)

Oddly, the PMD prophecy heretics often have a hard time explaining exactly why it is that they believe the Antichrist will be “a man of peace.” They love to quote (and twist) the Bible, but if you press them on this point, they’re far more likely to quote instead from the received wisdom of some other “prophecy scholar.” LaHaye is just saying it because Hal Lindsay said it. And Lindsay was just repeating Scofield and Ironsides. And those guys were just repeating Darby, who concocted the whole convoluted scheme and is notoriously hard to follow.

Dig deep enough to find their alleged biblical basis for this belief that peace is Bad and you’ll find them relying on one of two passages.

The first is from 1 Thessalonians 5:3, ” While people are saying, ‘Peace and safety,’ destruction will come on them suddenly.”

The second is even more obscure, Daniel 8:25 includes the phrase “”he will destroy many while they are at ease.” In the King James Version, this reads, “and by peace shall destroy many.” The subject of that passage is a Greek king (usually thought to be Antiochus Epiphanes who profaned the Temple in Jerusalem during his reign in 175-163 B.C.). But prophecy nuts don’t worry much about the apparent subject of any given biblical passage. For them, the subject of every bit of Scripture about something bad is really, secretly, for readers who appreciate the arcane secrets of prophetic interpretation, the Antichrist.

And that is why many American Christians oppose any effort to bring peace to the Middle East. No, really, that’s why. Because of Daniel 8:25.

 


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56 responses to “L.B.: Cursed are the peacemakers”

  1. they believe that Christians must oppose anyone who speaks of, pursues, or tries to make, peace.
    Well you’re misrepresenting the Evangelical position somewhat.
    Evangelicals would respond that while they certainly don’t oppose peace, that they are taught to be wary of anyone who speaks of or promises world peace. They believe that the Antichrist will appear as a peacemaker (an angel of light) in order to seize global power.

  2. Aunursa —
    Let’s not conflate the “evangelical” position with the position of a nutjob like LaHaye. The prophecy heretics may have a growing influence among evangelicals, but they haven’t yet won the day and dragged the entire church over into their madness.
    Still, when I hear “be wary of” — instead of “blessed are” — the peacemakers, I worry that someone may be allowing Hal Lindsay to trump the Bible.

  3. But prophecy nuts don’t worry much about the apparent subject of any given biblical passage
    Funny how they demand a literal interpretation of the “plain text” of the Bible otherwise….
    As far as being wary of ‘peacemakers’ – it’s certainly possible for someone preaching peace to have evil intentions toward you (like they say, if it sounds too good to be true….). Liars do exist. For example, someone could run for office saying he’s a “uniter and not a divider” and then lie us into a divisive war.

  4. Doesn’t Daniel 8:25 refer to 9/11? Or was it to Pearl Harbor? I mean, it clearly refers to a surprise attack during peacetime with heavy casualties, on the “proper, literal” level, nothing figurative about it. So if you’re looking for modern examples, well, they’ve already happened (assuming the plain, *literal* meaning of “destroy” as in casualties and “collateral damage” as it’s used in the bible when talking about heads of state with armies and all.)

  5. When are genuine Christians and genuine evangelical Christians going to stand up and denounce this Moon-funded Kristian and his heretical garbage — in their churches if not more publicly?
    Fred, your series is a treasure, and really should be published as a book itself eventually.

  6. Well, there was a guy they called the Prince of Peace, but they stopped him before he could do too much damage. All that love and not judging and stuff. Practically communism.
    Feh.
    Merry Christmas, and thanks for being a religious voice that makes me feel better.
    julia

  7. You know, at this rate the Apocalypse will be upon us before we get through Volume 1.
    But I can understand why you’re finding it such a tough slog.

  8. Thanks, aunursa, for the links. Do you have any more? Friends in several churches are going to be meeting with the local ministerial alliance soon, to ask them not to let fundamentalists and worse define the “Christian” position on issues.

  9. Dear Fred:
    Thank you so much for doing this! Your analisys is most appreciated, as my wife and I are pagans. She was raised by mild christians that believed that the US nuclear program is neccessary because Jesus is coming back on an ICBM (like Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove).
    These books are awful!
    I lamented your LB break during the election debacle, but I still read your blog. And now I am rewarded with LB again! Woo-hoo!
    Happy Solstice!

  10. You are so incredibly correct! I am a liberal evangelical who is horrified by the arrogant, far-right evangelical “Christians” and their affinity for the Left Behind books.
    Per Billy Graham and Rick Warren, the term evangelical does not at all denote any particular political stance.
    I am going to excerpt your piece here at my site, and link it to your site. THANK YOU for your important work on this!

  11. “Per Billy Graham and Rick Warren, the term evangelical does not at all denote any particular political stance”
    Rick Warren just says that to make himself sound more credible. His basic stance is “God isn’t a Republican; He just commands A, B, and C” where A, B, and C are right out of the GOP platform, so you’re led to the conclusion that the GOP is God’s Own Party w/o Warren having to come out and say it in a way that can be quoted against him. For example:
    http://www.bpnews.net/bpcolumn.asp?ID=1594
    FIRST-PERSON: Election day & America’s future
    Thursday, Oct 28, 2004
    By Rick Warren
    …But for those of us who accept the Bible as God’s Word and know that God has a unique, sovereign purpose for every life, I believe there are five issues that are non-negotiable. To me, they’re not even debatable because God’s Word is clear on these issues. In order to live a purpose-driven life — to affirm what God has clearly stated about His purpose for every person He creates — we must take a stand by finding out what the candidates believe about these five issues, and then vote accordingly.
    Here are five questions to ask when considering who to vote for in this election:
    1. What does each candidate believe about abortion and protecting the lives of unborn children?
    2. What does each candidate believe about using unborn babies for stem cell harvesting?
    3. What does each candidate believe about homosexual “marriage”?
    4. What does each candidate believe about human cloning?
    5. What does each candidate believe about euthanasia — the killing of the elderly and the invalids?

  12. Scott—-Warren does indeed often speak out of “both side of his mouth” so I will not defend his purpose-driven ambiguous statements :). (He clearly plays both sides of the street, as much as possible.) However, I did hear him on CNN with Larry King right after Billy Graham’s recent crusade in Los Angeles define an evangelical.
    Paraphrased, he said an evangelical believes 4 things. 1. That Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, and is the son of God. 2. That Jesus Christ was crucified and died for our sins. 3. That he was resurrected….rose from the dead and ascended to be with His heavenly Father, where He is today. 4. That we, as believers, have the responsibility and privilege to tell others about Him. He specifically stated that belief in these 4 items is devoid of the political, and I agree.

  13. For some deep insights into the apocalyptic mentality, two books are stand out: the second half of Carl Jung’s *Answer to Job* and Edinger’s *The Archetype of the Apocalypse*. Also worth reading is Eric Hoffer’s little book, *The True Believer.*
    My theory is that suceptible people turn to apocalyptic thinking when they have lost hope.

  14. Right, you are, tomlowe.
    It is amazing, really. The Europeans are really scratching their heads over all this Fundy Fascism and the Crusading Crackpots. This site would be a great help to the good folks outside our holy-rollin’ borders.
    Being a prophet is not all that difficult really. One need only know that history repeats itself over and over; turn, turn, turn.
    Why? Because we are on the Wheel of life, burdened by ego fears and desires, trudging through the seasons. Of course history repeats itself. How could it do otherwise when we have changed so little.
    Most of what is in the New Testament is not factually true. It is myth. While it is not literally true, it contains truth. Truth about what? Truth about us. Truth about life and its meaning. Truth about creation and our relation to the creative force, or the Divine, however one conceptualizes that.
    The Fundys like to say that they are hated because of their faith. That is not true. They are hated, if they are, because of their lack of faith, which drives them to harsh judgement of others, to murderous wars in God’s name, to wanton destruction and persecution of the poor and anyone considered to be “other.”
    These people have tribal personalities. They want to go back to the old ways. They are very frightened people. Frightened people are not nice people. Witness America since 9/11.
    We have been saying for two years that religion is driving this mess we are in far more than most rational people believe (can believe.) We are living in very dangerous times.

  15. As Mark Rosenfelder put it,
    “Christians can be most effective if they are a noisy faction in each party, one to which secular leaders must pay heed. The alternative is that a minority of Christians who find a particular party congenial hew to its party line, while claiming to speak for the faith as a whole.
    This is the position we find ourselves in in this country.
    The response, I suppose, will be that abortion is a crucial issue that doesn’t admit of compromise. This sounds noble and uncompromising; in fact, I maintain, it is foolish and deeply compromised.
    How can we be single-issue partisans, when God is not a single-issue deity? There are many commandments, and much as we’d like to, we can’t edit them down to two.
    Of course, it could be argued that the Bible has done this for us; but all has not been boiled down to abortion. That alarming passage, Matthew 25:31-46, seems to reduce all judgment to whether or not we have fed the hungry, clothed the naked, invited in the stranger, and visited the prisoner.
    How in God’s name should one then devote oneself to a party which aims to abandon the poor to their poverty, cut school lunch programs, cut foreign aid, keep out immigrants, deny government assistance to legal and tax-paying immigrants, cut medical aid to the poor and the sick, and put more people in prison than any other industrial democracy?”
    Please note the words “that alarming passage”. They should, well, make you feel alarmed.

  16. I was struck most by the description of the Antichrist as an intellectual of sorts:
    “Impressive, that’s all I can say. … He knew my language as well as his own. And he speaks fluent English. Several others also, they tell me. Well educated but also widely self taught.”
    For LaHaye and Jenkins, betraying genuine curiosity about the world and reaching out to other cultures by learning their language is suspect. We should make all our decisions solely on the basis of emotions and as directed by the only book we need to read, the Bible – as interpreted by fundamentalists.

  17. We should make all our decisions solely on the basis of emotions and as directed by the only book we need to read, the Bible
    The bible… and the left behind series of course.

  18. That ‘beware of peacemakers, especially anyone who promises peace in the Middle East’ thing is very deeply ingrained in many sectors of the church. I grew up with a Pentecostal church that believed that, and we weren’t alone by any means.
    I just watched the DVD of the 80s sci-fi series ‘V’ (remember that?) and it struck me how much Left Behind owes to V. Almost as if they took that as the high-water mark of a ‘great political thriller’ to aim at. There are a lot of parallels: the big stunning science-fictional world event (saucers from space, the Rapture) kicking off a world takeover of so-called ‘peacemakers’ who actually are pure evil. The heroes are a group of ordinary Americans turned freedom fighters who refuse the illusion of world unity and peace by any means necessary, one of whom is a TV cameraman. The dialog and political sophistication is about C-movie level, right out of Left Behind, except it’s ‘scientists’ who are the persecuted few rather than Christians. The general public are portrayed as stunningly ignorant sheep unable to see the danger of the new world order arising in their midst.
    (V interests me. Like other 80s shows, such as Rambo’s revisionist Vietnam history which seems to still be alive in the right-wing, it seems to have left a pop-cultural impact a lot deeper than you’d expect from such a tacky show – ‘kitten-eating reptilian’ has somehow entered the political lexicon and everyone knows what it means. And now we have David Icke pretending to take the whole cliched lizards-from-space scenario seriously. Also, I’m sure I’ve come across people in the fringe conspiracy-UFO / right-wing-apocalyptic scene who believe V was a dark warning of real events to come and hold it in some mythic regard. I don’t know why, given that the premise was so unoriginal, but I guess it paved the way for shows like X-Files. Interestingly, the producer of V says he was originally intending the show to be about a homegrown fascist takeover of the USA but rewrote it with aliens because the studio didn’t think ‘fascism in the US’ would sell.)

  19. ‘kitten-eating reptilian’ has somehow entered the political lexicon and everyone knows what it means.
    I remember bits and pieces of V lore that my brain absorbed through osmosis over hte years, but I have to admit I had never heard of that term before now (it’s agreat term though and shall be used).
    Oh and on a side note, battle beyond the stars (directed by a young James Cameron, who does in fact have a conspiracy theory centered entirely around himself http://www.geocities.com/mansuedotcom/rspnseml030198.html ) is also posited as either a retelling of the cataclysmic battle between the god aliens and the devil aliens that destroyed the theoretical 5th planet between jupiter and mars before the earth was seeded with life.
    Or maybe it was an early metaphor for hte coming struggle between man and machine, I forget now.

  20. it struck me how much Left Behind owes to V
    Mark Singer vs. Kirk Cameron. Hmmmmm….. :-)
    So when do we get the half alien baby?

  21. I’m not an evangelical, but I’d like to think that evangelicals have better motives in suspicions of peacemakers… to paraphrase The Princess Bride, “Life is pain. Anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something.”
    Wars that can’t be won are a very, very good means of trying to sell people something. Promise people an end to drugs, and they’ll put up with the imprisonment of a lot of blacks for nonviolent crimes. Promise people an end to terrorism, and they’ll give up their civil liberties. So it is not entirely crazy to be intensely suspicious of anyone who promises to bring about peace…I’d do the same, and I’m almost a pacifist.
    The anti-intellectualism Lisa points out makes more of my warning flags go up. Wasn’t knowing French a liability for Kerry? People said it made him seem too intellectual…

  22. Emily, it isn’t people who *promise* peace that bother them, it’s people who are actually *doing* things to bring it about. These people are *bad news* in their books – world leaders actually cooperating for once and trying to work for the common good? It’s of the Devil!
    Thus the disappointment when things calm down in the world, both in terms of geopolitics and in terms of natural disastures, and the Rapture Index drops…

  23. I had not heard of the LB series until I started getting interested in American politics, and how powerful the Fundamentalists were in America. [I am a Kiwi] Reading about the Fundamentalists, I kept coming across references to the LB series. I wanted to understand more, so I checked out my local library to see if it had the LB books. It did.
    To cut a long story short, I have just finished reading them – all 12 of them in about four weeks
    What can I say? The last book, “Glorious Appearing” had me screaming with laughter – even as I was horrified by the gleeful sadism in the book, as the bad guys get their comeuppance.
    And talk about cliched! I mean the bit where the Anti-Christ and his Right Hand Man get thrown into … but I won’t spoil it for anyone who hasn’t actually read it.
    And there then is the other cliche where the baddy is a foreigner – and one from Eastern Europe at that. The one cliche they did avoid was making Carpathia darkly handsome – instead, he is a blue-eyed blonde.
    And the writers could have come up with a slightly more Romanian sounding name – ie Ceau?escu. Come to think of it, I wonder if they did use the Romanian dictator as inspiration?
    But all that aside – do people really believe this stuff?

  24. But all that aside – do people really believe this stuff?
    Yes, and God told them to make it happen so they can drag Jesus kicking and screaming back to Earth whether He wants to come or not. They want a Second Coming and they want it now, and consider themselves powerful enough to force it to happen now.

  25. Scott, that’s one of the things that amazes me about some of these people. They have the hubris to force God (GOD!) to do their will, instead of living on this earth, and trying to do God’s.

  26. Scott and syfr: yes they want God to do it; blessed are the peacemakers only if the are doing it for God glory. Peace on Earth but only God’s peace. In many ways the fear of globalism (one government) and world peace it precisely because it’s done by humans not God. Everything must be “turned over to God” so it’s not peacemakers that are the bad guys; it’s that they are secular humanist peacemakers.

  27. A man of wealth and taste

    Romania sure gets a bad press in American popular fiction. Vampires, orphans, war crimes, vampires. The horror writer Dan Simmons once managed to work all three together in one of his books, with added vampire content (this is not…

  28. This is great! Since all conservative Christians are being so evil and lumping people together into horrible “left behind” groups, lets lump all of them together into far-right lunatic groups that hate peace!
    I too find the “Left Behind” books and movement quite ludicrous, (that anyone could figure out definitively what Revelations predicts is ludicrous in and of itself) However, while I completely agree that there are lots of people that are way, way to infatuated with the idea that the rapture idea is right and all others will left to suffer it also seems to me that people like you (see, i lumped you all together) are spending way, way too much time hating them back… I mean, seriously, how much time did you take to write this? You could have spent that time out walking your dog and getting fresh air.
    Seriously, I’ve been bouncing around out here in blog land and I just find it far, far too full of people hating and telling people to be scared of certain evil people…
    Here is a synopsis of what i read today: we need to be really scared of people that read certain books and drive around believing they will be taken in a rapture. Most of them are conservative who hate peace and they will work hard to keep people blowing up children in the middle east because we really need violence there if we are to get this rapture moving. I mean, who wants to wait? You will all rue the day you wrote bad words about christians on the internet! All you evil pagans and liberals who hate bush. Of course, that is actually quite ludicrous because its really the liberals, atheists that are the evil ones who are trying to take away our guns and tax us to death even though they really only want to tax the top 1%, but still, most of us red-necks worship the capitalists at the top and if their taxes get raised then the whole system will collapse and the social security system will dissappear. Except, I read that the social security system is actually solvent and its just the conservatives that are trying to scare people into thinking that the system is bankrupt and if we all just believe that bush is evil enough then we can believe that the social security system is actually quite solvent. And of course the ludicrous-right replied that the social security system is actually the mark of the devil and we have to kill it before it kills us. And speaking of which, did you hear about those other people who call themselves christians that believe a little differently than we do? They are evil! We must all pray that god will smite them like he did the evil poor people in asia with the tsunami. And with luck, a tsunami will strike american and take out the east and west coast where all the evil liberals live in the blue states. That way, we can kill the Atheists who
    want to take prayer out of schools. We must stand together in prayer and gunfire against all these heathens that dare to dance and worship satan and write on blogs with their laptops, and worst of all — they hate george bush! They think he is the anti-christ!! Of course they don’t believe in an anti-christ but if they did bush would be it, and if not him then it would be rumsfeld, who hates all muslims and loves oil and only wants to kill iraqi children because he wants the oil that is under their school, and our troops are torturing poor innocent muslims who had it so good under Saddam who never used torture, he just raped your wife and daughter if he didn’t like you and cut off your hands and cut out your tongue and had lots of weapons of mass destruction and was about to bomb america except that he wasn’t. So america really was the bad guy not saddam who only dropped chemicals on kurds, not us! Oh come on now. That’s ludicrous. Its ok for us to torture them a little bit. I mean, just a wee-bit isn’t it? All we did is stack naked people up in pyramids and put a leash around their necks which is equal to saddam’s era of rape and dismemberment and execution! Its not like we let the dogs bite them, we just let the dogs get close to them. Ok, one of the dogs did bite one of the prisoner’s legs once, but that was because he moved. He should have know he shouldn’t have moved. Besides, they aren’t human, they are terrorists and terrorists aren’t protected by the Geneva convention!! And we need the Geneva convention to tell us how to behave because otherwise we wouldn’t know any better than to hit them and spit on them and masturbate them and dump them into rivers and sit on their chests till they suffocate and hook them up to electical wires and make them stand on boxes while we take pictures so we can show them to our kids some day and say “see son, look at those dirty little muslims. See the way they looked? They were truly evil and thats why we had to bomb them and break them and laugh and piss on them!”
    Besides, we promised them we were there to liberate them and to stop the torture and the killing and then they could vote and as soon as they vote they would have democracy and democracy will instantly bring peace and prosperity except that in america voting just makes people hate each other because bush stole the election twice by disenfranchising black people because all republicans are racists and we hate all conservatives even if we don’t know them personally, its ok to be bigoted toward them because they were bigots first! Its my view and my view is right and everyone else is all in one big blurry lump over there because they believe in the wrong God and God is all good even though he did kill lots of poor, innocent people with the flood. Maybe the tsunami was just God crying, and a big tear splashed into the ocean and caused the giant waves, because there are far too many people spending far too much time obsessed with hating other people and proselytizing that such people are evil and we should all be very scared of them. And breath.
    Ok, so I lumped everything in and ran them all together because they all sound the same to me. Everyone hating everyone else. Yipee!
    Well you can all just kiss off into the air. Behind my back I can see them stare. They’ll hurt me bad but I don’t mind. They’ll hurt me bad – they do it all the time. Ya, Ya. They do it all the time. Ya, ya. They do it all the time, time, time, time, time, time, time, time.
    Did you really read this far?

  29. First of all, I appreciate that you have a viewpoint. It IS everyone’s right.
    However, many of the things you think about the LB series are false. Christian’s aren’t taught in those books to defy and destroy anyone who wants peace…they’re taught to be wary of them. If you’re human you would anyway. The point amongst all of that is simple…the Antichrist will be a great deceiver. He will deceive people into thinking that they are safe and that he DOES want peace. The reality is that he’s there to bring about the most terrifying time in the history of the world.
    If any of you are still around when this happens…I really hope when these things are happening to you and your family that you’ll think about these books and what they OUTLINED. It’s not a GUIDELINE. It’s an outline of Biblical prophecy concerning end times.
    And for that matter…anyone who sits there and disects the book to THIS high level…well, you obviously have a lot of time on your hands buddy.

  30. Killer Logic, Fred.
    These Christians believe that:
    AntiChrist = Bad and
    AntiChrist = Peacemaker
    Therefore, these christians believe that Peace is bad. Uhh…
    I’m not defending these books, only criticizing your sloppy attacks. Do you have any evidence to suggest that these people despise peace in itself, or that such a position is an intrinsic part of their doctrine? Or is it just this vague association you have derived from this book?

  31. “That word — “peacemaker” — practically screams Antichrist. For LaHaye and Jenkins’ intended readers, it wouldn’t be any clearer if Carpathia had the number “666” tattooed on his forehead and went by the nickname “Horny Beast.””
    I guess I understand your problem. Your attack is based on the idea that these christians have an incredibly narrow semiotics. Perhaps you should look closer. They couldn’t possibly believe, like Milton, that
    “Good and evil we know in the field of this world grow up together almost inseparably; and the knowledge of good is so involved and interwoven with the knowledge of evil, and in so many cunning resemblances hardly to be discerned, that those confused seeds which were imposed upon Psyche as an incessant labour to cull out and sort asunder, were not more intermixed. It was from out the rind of one apple tasted that the knowledge of good and evil, as two twins cleaving together, leaped forth into the world. And perhaps this is that doom which Adam fell into of knowing good and evil, that is to say of knowing good by evil.”

  32. I’m with Emily. I wouldn’t trust a world leader promising “peace” through the United Nations until I had an ironclad promise that this would be a union of nations that gave a rat’s, uh, left behind about the rule of law.

  33. Sweeney —
    I’m not constructing any such syllogism — I’m just citing the book (Left Behind, not the Bible). This is not a “vague association” derived from the book — it’s one of its major themes.
    It is, in fact, an intrinsic part of their doctrine that the world must get progressively worse, leading to an apocalypse. Only then do they believe Jesus will come back and not until then will there be peace. That’s not an accusation — that’s the definition of “premillennial.”

  34. If America is a Christian Nation, Can We Ask What Christ Does it Follow?

    A Catholic priest reminds Americans who Jesus was. (via Susan) And he charges that those who love war, not peace are guilty of blasphemy. Last September, I spoke to some 2,000 students during their annual lecture at a Baptist college…

  35. Scott:
    So when do we get the half alien baby?
    That would be Book III:
    In their efforts to witness to friends about the Lord and His judgments on the world, the Tribulation Force also show love and concern. They try to discourage Hattie, Rayford’s former flight attendant and lust interest in the first novel, from having an abortion of Carpathia’s [the Antichrist’s] child.

  36. Satanism is Alive and Well

    No, not Satan. The big guy with the batwings and hairy legs is a figment of the Fundie imagination. Fundies who talk about Satan tend not to get this monotheism business — one god. One. Not a good- guy god and a bad- guy god. Not one for Us and…

  37. “I wouldn’t trust a world leader promising “peace” through the United Nations until I had an ironclad promise that this would be a union of nations that gave a rat’s, uh, left behind about the rule of law.”
    This is a confusing statement. When one actually goes to the UN and understands the process, and looks at the member states and how they interact with the UN, one realizes very quickly that it is certain member states, the declared nuclear weapons states and one in particular *cough*US*cough* that violate the Rule of Law on a daily basis.
    The Secratariat does all in it’s power to uphold the Rule of Law, but one of the fouding nations *cough*US*cough* insisted that it have any enforcement powers stripped from it. One example of this is the International Criminal Court. One member state in particular refuses to have anything to do with a binding international jurist bosy specifically because they are the world’s primary violaters of the Rule of Law and don’t want to have to be responsible for their actions.
    This leads to one inevitable conclusion. This one particular member state, one of the six declared nuclear weapons states, the largest supplier in the world of armaments large and small, is the single largest violator of the Rule of Law. This state is now trying to set itself up as the sole arbiter of the affairs of the rest of the nations on the planet, without itself having to uphold the law it is forcing the rest of the world to obey. Do as I say, not as I do.
    Having actually spent time inside the Secretariat and interacted with ambassadors from all over the world, I can safely say that this world would be a LOT farther along the road to lasting international peace if my nation, America, had followed the Rule of Law from it’s inception instead of opposing every single attempt at peace. The US has ALWAYS been the single largest obstruction to true and lasting global peace for the last 60 years. And now under President Bush, we are worse than ever.

  38. the largest obstruction wheel in the world is the london eye in england at 450 feet high it will be the largest for a long time so stop being up your own arses and accept that we beat you at this one

  39. ” While people are saying, ‘Peace and safety,’ destruction will come on them suddenly.”
    These days, I take that passage as a warning of a general pattern:
    You can want peace so badly that you can deceive yourself with denial of a real threat that actually is coming to destroy you.
    And that you never know when things can go sour “out of the blue”.

  40. Wow, I stumbled on this site and am amazed at the hate level for works of Christian fiction. Left Behind is not presented as fact rather as a thought provoking and riveting fiction. The issue with a peacemaker being the anti-christ is most likely the issue of the move by many to say that there is no right and wrong and that all religions are equally valid and that the idea of peace was really an issue of making everyone’s belief’s totally irrelevant. And obviously the anti christ of these books wasn’t a real peacemaker he was a false peacemaker using that issue to come to a position of great power and then revealing his true identity upon gaining it. When peace comes by removing the rights and beliefs of those it is bring peace too it isn’t peace. Of course Christians should be peace makers, but generally in this culture we are ridiculed for our beliefs and we can find peace with people like yourselfs by compromising our beliefs and admitting that everything we believe is a lie, the bible, jesus, social issues we are wrong about it all. I hope all the hateful people in this blog, find their own peace.
    God Bless,
    Dave

  41. “That word — “peacemaker” — practically screams Antichrist.”

    ## Apologies for the…eh…time lapse between the last post on this thread and this, but that aspect of LB-istic Christianity is one that really, really, *really* is bothersome. The inability of “these people” to tell the difference between a pseudo-Messiah, & the Jesus Who does in fact bring peace & blesses the peace-makers, “for they shall be called (= shall be) sons of God”, appears to be total :(  

    Justice/Righteousness and Peace are integral to the Kingdom/Reign of God. Jesus “preach[ed] the Good News of the Kingdom/Reign of God” (Mark 1.15). IOW, Jesus preached peace – the kind that God alone can give. So this allergy to making peace in the world is rly depressing. Dispies seem to be so terrified of being “taken in” by the big AC, that they confuse the Peace of the Kingdom, which is inseparable from righteousness in society and the doing of justice/righteousness in society, with the perversion of it by the AC.  Christianity =//////= preserving the *status quo*.  Jesus blesses the peace-makers, not the war-mongers.

  42. Fuck. How long have I believed something so stupid for no real reason? I knew distrusting attempts at peace made no actual sense but I kept feeling this way because of something I read so long ago that doesn’t make any freaking sense when you actually look at it.

    I really don’t know how to thank you for clearing that up for me. Really, thank you.