Election night open thread

Election night open thread November 6, 2012

Here’s a place to fret, vent, celebrate, console, rant, deny and discuss the day’s results.

“A Website for Misinformed, Oddly Busty, Mean Spirited, and Bigoted (but Prayerful) Romney Supporters”

“Mitt Romney will lie to you to become President and he will lie to you when he becomes President… Mitt Romney will do and say anything to become President. Anything.” — Newt Gingrich

There’s basic dishonesty and then there’s f-you dishonesty — dishonesty so blatant, so consciously abusive of facts that everyone knows, that it deserves a category of its own.”

“Nothing smells like desperation more than the falsehoods and half-truths coming out of the Romney campaign about Chrysler purportedly moving Jeep manufacturing jobs to China. The episode has been shameful.”

“Romney has managed to make it through an entire presidential campaign having openly flouted longstanding norms of disclosure by candidates.”

“You might have thought that we’d made it until Election Day without another Republican busting out another offensive comment about rape, but of course such a thing is not possible in our era of Republicans mansplaining how silly feminists have really blown this rape thing out of proportion.”

But the rape thing, you know …”

“Akin and his supporters believe that the husband is head of the household, and they’re loathe to regulate what he can and cannot do to his wife and children.”

“I’m a little doubtful, however, the pro-life religious conservative movement will begin supporting Obamacare, maternity leave, and support for impoverished mothers. If you don’t become seriously anti-poverty when Jesus tells you, I’m not sure David Frum makes much of a difference.”

“The vast majority of middle-class voters don’t understand that Medicaid may pay the bills for the future care of their own parents or grandparents.”

“Luckily, Wood had some inspirational words for the Daily Caller, before recanting his entirely [false] story.”

“This difference between how the two parties campaign will show up in how they govern.”

You’re joking. What woman in her right mind would vote for Romney or for any Republican?”

“If Mitt Romney or Barack Obama win, the increasing luminosity from our Sun will ensure that our oceans boil away and life as we know it will likely cease to exist on Earth within about 1.5 billion years from November 6th, 2012.”

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  • P J Evans

    LA Times:
     Obama: 303
    Votes: 59,584,661

    Romney: 206
    Votes: 56,959,312

  • Well, you did also help push Obama firmly, uncontestably ahead in the popular vote too, which shut down at least one avenue of Republican whining, so there’s that too!

  • RickRS

    It’s the morning after and Florida is still undeclared…

    ABC Good Morning America was talking about voters staying in line in Miami-Dade until 2 am!  President Obama is leading in vote count in Florida, so we may finally settle this thing this afternoon.

    Nate Silver’s 538 blog kept me sane.  He was very much dead-on with the call for Electoral College to go to President Obama.  So seeing the red all over the South and Mid-West, I didn’t lose hope.

    However, I heard this morning (again ABC News during Good Morning America) Sec. Clinton will leave the State Department early next year.  She has serve America well, and I’ll miss her.

  • The_L1985

    Hey. Some is us happen to live in Florida.

  • Ouri Maler

    Congratulations, America.

    I find wondering what next. CAN the GOP get away with being as obstructive during the next four years as they were on the four years leading up to this? Will we see breaking in the ranks? Time will tell.

  • Carstonio

    “Fiscal conservatism” is itself a reactionary concept, because it treats government spending itself as something to be avoided. At best, the mentality doesn’t understand the distinction between macroeconomics and microeconomics. At worst, the mentality damn well understands that reducing the mobility of money benefits the wealthy at the expense of everything else.

    “Small government” is less reactionary, because in principle the power of government should be used judiciously. But again, in our era that concept has generally been about keeping government from reducing privilege.

  •  > CAN the GOP get away with being as obstructive during the next four
    years as they were on the four years leading up to this? Will we see
    breaking in the ranks?

    Well, yes, and yes. They can… but we might.

    I think what we’re seeing in the GOP is what animal trainers call an “extinction burst”… a sudden spike in the frequency and intensity of an undesirable behavior that often precedes its disappearance if training remains consistent. With a lot of people, though, extinction bursts cause the trainer to give up hope and become inconsistent about training, in which case the behavior generally sticks around.

    Whether we will collectively be consistent in our training or not, I don’t know. I hope so.

  •  Well, I would actually encourage paying attention to the mid-term elections in 2014… we didn’t, in 2010, and it cost us big.

    But yeah, we can put off worrying about 2016. Honestly, the best thing we can do for 2016 anyway is help get a Democratic agenda implemented now.

  •  IIRC, he said he was going to avoid non-LB threads for a while regardless of how the election went, because he didn’t think interacting with us post-election would be productive.

  • RickRS

    In case you’re responsing to my post, I DO live in Florida.  And in a county of 70% GOP, where the odds some one you bump into is a raging tea partying birther is better than 50%.

  • VMink

    I didn’t say they were GOOD fiscal values.  But I’d rather have a bunch of We Are Very Serious People (trying to) justify supply-side economics, as opposed to what the GOP currently appears to be made of: Lots of patriarchy, homophobia, and irrationality and purposeful incitements to sedition.

  • Jim Roberts

    [Canadian ignorance] Wouldn’t that be inaccurate, though? Doesn’t the 44th thing refer to the 44th term of office for the position, not the person holding it.[/Canadian ignorance]

  • Lori

    No, no, no. Our little blue votes in the sea of Indiana red are part of the reason we didn’t have a EC/popular vote split. We did our part to make this morning about looking ahead to making the best use of this victory instead of looking forward to another wretched, partisan SCOTUS decision and every bad thing that would have resulted from it.

  • Lori

    No, we count our presidents, not their terms. Obama has been the 44th president since 4 years ago and always will be.

  • EllieMurasaki

    First president took office in 1789. (2013 – 1789) / 4 = 56. I can never remember if we count Grover Cleveland as one or two (his two terms were nonconsecutive), but anyone who serves multiple consecutive terms gets counted once.

  • Lori

     We count Cleveland twice. He was both the 20-whateverth president and the 20-whateverth + 2 president. (Was it 22nd & 24th or 21st & 23rd? One of the reasons I will never win on Jeopardy is that I’m not good at remembering that sort of thing.)

  • Lori

    One thing I’m hoping we’ll see is a lot fewer men saying horrible, ignorant, insulting things about rape.


  • Emcee, cubed

    One quibble on that graphic, Lori. Paul Ryan was defeated as vice-president, but he did win his House seat back, so we still have to put up with him still. Ugh.

  • Lori

    The graphic does specify Ryan as VP, although I agree the person probably should have just left Ryan off. 

    I am hoping this defeat will take some of the shine off the cult of Ryan and result in us hearing a lot less about/from him in the next two years than we’ve heard in the last few.

  • Yeah. I was like “who the fuck is this Ryan Budget guy they keep talking about like he’s the President instead of Obama?”

  •  Now *that* is a picture made of win.

    Er, uh…. loss, I guess. Whatever, it’s awesome.

  • WC

     I’d like to think that a lot of them will be trying to govern more responsibly now, building up a good resume for a 2016 presidential run. They won’t be able to hide behind Obama any more, and they won’t want to look like chumps going into the next mid-term elections.

  • Do you really think the Republicans won’t whine about that? I mean, it’s nice to dream, but Republicans whine about everything, and they certainly don’t need facts to fuel their whining.

  • And those of us who do live here know how messed up Florida is more than anyone else can hope to. Others make jokes about us being the wang of the nation. I wish. Most wangs are pretty good at doing all the things wangs are meant to do.

    Rich suburbs with potholes that don’t get fixed for 5+ years. That’s Florida. Maybe people who have lived in Florida their whole lives don’t know how deeply weird this is. 

    I’m pretty sure the competency fairies gave the state’s dose to the guy my fiancé and I got a marriage license from last month. This month, who knows, but of course it’s not with our election officials. The competency fairies would never waste it on them.

  • In other words, he knew Romney would lose. Didn’t he actually say he knew Romney would lose after that 47% speech?

  • Can Obama win every day? Then I could be very happy not needing to read the blatherings of self-important out of touch windbags who have a fetish for opinion polls.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Only opinion polls that go his way. Nate Silver’s predictions came true for every single electoral vote with the possible exception of Florida (have the news sources called Florida yet?), and I’m not sure Silver actually did call Florida at all, I know he said the difference in likelihood was in the hundredths of a percent. And aunursa has never once that I recall mentioned Nate Silver.

  • Probably way too late in saying this, but…Congrats, America. And thank you for letting the best candidate win. There was those who said that we should lose hope, that money and voter suppression should ensure that all of us who care about equality and respect for our fellows, and that we couldn’t hope to win after all Fox’s lies about. This time, you told them…well…I won’t say it, because I can’t sound at epic as Obama did back then, but you know what sentence I wanted to end on ^^.