Still speaking after Election Day

Still speaking after Election Day November 15, 2012

Man, sometimes God really sucks.”

“I went to Tea Party rallies and I would ask this question: ‘Have taxes gone up or down in the past four years?’ They could not answer that question correctly. …  You have to know that taxes have not gone up.”

“I suspect Ralph Reed doesn’t really care if his outreach wasn’t all it was cranked up to be. After all, he still got paid.”

I knew the election season had gone on too long when I saw this ad for the United Church of Christ and all I could hear was Mitt Romney’s voice: “Excuse me, ex-CUSE me, but I haven’t finished talking. I’m still speaking. Let me finish. It’s still my turn. Aaandersonnnn!”

“We’re now going to have to argue and struggle and persuade, before eventually getting what we want.”

“The hate we’ve seen spewed into the political discourse this year was bone-chilling and among the worst we’ve seen, with preachers speaking out against gay marriage by calling for gays to be rounded up or killed by the government, but it’s going to get uglier and nastier.”

“He initiated an eight year attack, pitting a heterosexual majority against a homosexual minority to prevent the democratic process from working in the minority’s favor. … And he never meant to alienate anyone?

“I don’t have it. Do you? [Laughter]

Why should we sign a suicide pact with the National Organization for Marriage?

“There is a rump faction of ultramontane social-issue types that has attached itself to the rest of the Christian right and, therefore, to the Republican party. But they are a shrinking minority.”

“What can be worse than to sell your soul and find it not valuable enough to get anything for it?”

“What’s shocking and disturbing about these tweets is just how many people out there reflexively and thoughtlessly indulge in outright and outrageous racism — and then express surprise that they’re accused of being racists.”

“This election witnessed an increased political awareness and mobilization effort among American Muslims that dealt a major blow to the Islamophobia machine.”

“In fact, you love us SO much you just want to protect us from acting as independent moral agents in a free society.”

“This state of affairs, like all colonies, is a travesty of justice and an embarrassment for an allegedly democratic state.”

Like any penis, I’m a realist. I know I have to bring it back to the sex scandal if I want to keep you reading. …”

“Let’s declare Florida an election disaster area and bring in the feds.”

“Where are the leading Republicans and conservatives repudiating voter suppression?

“I no longer believe that the way to make things better for everyone is to let people with money do whatever they want, whenever they want. I feel I’ve earned the crap out of this belief, given that I used to believe precisely the opposite, and I’ve taken a long journey to the side I stand on now.”

“Hurricane Sandy is projected to cost $50 billion. Imagine one or more of those types of weather events every year, in the midst of rising oceans that will only make the impact greater.”

“The simulations that most closely matched humidity measurements were also the ones that predicted the most extreme global warming.”

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  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    “Man, sometimes God really sucks.”

    Well, sure, we all feel that sometimes. For me it’s set off by things like the earthquake in Haiti that killed a quarter of a million people in the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere; for you it’s the democratic election of a centre-right candidate over the far right one. People are different.

    Unrelatedly, as a resident of the land of melanoma, that sunburn that Beck was sporting disturbed me. Be sun aware Glenn!


    Of course, Romney doesn’t phrase it quite like that. He puts a
    thoroughly racist spin on it (Blacks and Hispanics making $25,000 –
    $35,000 a year believe that being able to get health care coverage will
    improve their lives! Oh noes!), while showing himself to be utterly
    selfish and cold-hearted (Only greedy young people care that they can
    now be covered by their parents’ health insurance for a few years
    longer! No one else, not even the parents, would be in favor of that!)
    and as sexist as any of the rape-Republicans (College girls like them
    some free contraceptives, wink-wink!).

    It’s like a little microcosm of the fundamental problem with the modern GOP: issues important to middle-aged rich white heterosexual men are “real issues” for “all americans”, but issues which are important to women, to african-americans, to hispanics, to QUILTBAG folks? Those are “special interests”.

  • Speaking of, now that the election’s over it’s worth remembering that the ongoing day to day debates over governance continue.

    I just got an email from Planned Parenthood which states, in part:

    It’s shocking but true — and under current law, it’s what military women hear if they become pregnant as a result of rape.

    Thousands of women in the military are sexually assaulted each year, but
    they are denied health care coverage for abortion, even if they are the
    victim of rape.

    I wasn’t even aware of this! :O

    PP has a petition drive going on and I’m sure they could use some money, too. Also probably best to write your Congressperson and/or Senator and ask them to start busting their humps to get this fixed.

  • For anyone who’s interested:

  • AnonymousSam

    I got a few sentences into his rebuttal when he whipped out redundantly better military hardware being a better societal safety net than evil socialized medicine and decided that with the mood I was already in, it would be irresponsible of me to put his life in jeopardy by fully reading his argument.

  • Gotchaye

     I agree with Invisible Neutrino on this, I think.  If you’re actually better at X than most people, there are advantages to not realizing that.  But there are disadvantages too.  Not realizing that you’re particularly good at something means that you’re less likely to look down on humanity as a whole, but it means that you’re more likely to look down on specific people, because those who aren’t as good at X as you are not only bad relative to you.  They’re also just plain bad.  It makes it easier to favor policies that would work if everyone had particular capabilities, even when that’s a bad assumption.

    This is basically what causes the whole “bootstraps!” mentality, right?  People project their own “personal” situation – their health, their talents, their education, their family, etc – on to others and can’t think what would excuse anyone else’s failure to make ends meet, since they don’t think they had any special advantages themselves.  I expect a lot of this is just the blindness you describe – they only tend to see other people in similar situations, and so think of themselves as average.  It’s extremely important to be aware of one’s own advantages, but it’s also important  to realize that you got very lucky in obtaining those advantages.

  • Gotchaye

     I count two ideas there, wrapped up in a lot of condescension.  Quotes:

    …if life is not sacred, there is no duty to preserve it, either by food
    stamps nor any other means; and if it is sacred, one cannot end the life
    of helpless in the womb without abrogating that sanctity.

    There does not appear to be an argument for this, although “logically” is used several times.

    …the argument that the government should not fund a new generation of
    fighter jets on the grounds that the old ones were already the best in
    the world applies with equal, if not greater, force to the argument that
    the government should not socialize the American medical industry on
    the grounds that the free market model was already the best in the world, the one which subjects suffering under socialized medicine in other
    lands fled to when they craved the latest and best life saving

    That last clause appears to be the author’s reason for claiming that free market health care is the best in the world.

  • EllieMurasaki

    That last bit only makes sense if the only measure of a health care system’s quality is the knowledge and skill of its specialists. No worries about whether there’s enough specialists to go around, or whether there’s enough general practitioners and how good they are, or how many people are having health problems that they wouldn’t have or wouldn’t have as severely if they’d had access to preventative care. Vision. Dental. Mental health. Prescriptions. Amount of money spent on health care per capita. Percentage of the population dying of treatable things!

    I bet if given ten minutes to think I could double the length of this list.

  • esmerelda_ogg

     Oh, heck, I’ll give you a real simple one: average life span. It upsets (and frankly scares) me that my country, for all its power and wealth, has a shorter average life span than most other wealthy countries. And it enrages me that the right wing thinks an appropriate reaction is “La la la best in the world we can’t heeeaaaar you!”

  • Unrelatedly, as a resident of the land of melanoma, that sunburn that Beck was sporting disturbed me. Be sun aware Glenn!

    As a currently sunburnt member of that fine land, I have felt terribly ashamed of myself all week. As I said to the boyfriend: “I look like someone who didn’t grow up hearing annual slip-slop-slap campaigns!”

    Be sun-safe, people. Skin cancer is bad.

  • SkyknightXi

    Never mind that when people “suffering” under socialist health care come to America for treatment, it’s usually on the socialist health care bureau’s bill! They’re not going to let an accident of geography interdict you from getting the degree of expertise you need.

    Well, at least that’s the case with Canada. Might be a bit of a problem if you’re coming from France, Indonesia, or Angola, with the attendant air fare.

  • Tricksterson

    Should be noted that John C. Wroght (whose  Children of Chaos trilogy I loved) is a former atheist and Catholic convert.  I haven’t had an opinion on this conversion because I hasn’t, until now, read any of his political stuff but having read, or tried to read, this and another article on his blog, I now file him under “How I found God and Lost My Marbles”.

  • Edit: And what’s with the Houyhnhnm talk? Wikipedia points me to Gulliver’s Travels.

    That essay drips with exactly the kind of self-congratulatory contempt for “inferiors” that I became acquainted with in both the Fantastic Racist sense in science fiction as well as in real life later on.

    “Houyhnhnms” are very intelligent horses who treat Gulliver as a special person, equivalent to them, because he can speak in complete sentences and is capable of logical thought and expression, unlike human-like apes who do nothing but grunt, eat and poop. The irony is, the Houyhnhnms reject Gulliver at the end when they realize that he is still physically equivalent to the other beings when one of the females shows attraction to him.

    Gulliver never entirely recovers from the shattering effects of that rejection, and when he returns to Great Britain he becomes an insular, condescending crotchety man who has difficulties relating to anyone.

    The extra loaded contempt is in the use of “Morlocks” to describe people who disagree with the writer. In H G Wells’s books, the Eloi are the fair, English-speaking yet completely inept humans who the barely-human, savage Morlocks feast upon at regular intervals. The irony here is that the Morlocks retain the technology and knowledge of machinery, while the Eloi are (in the narrator’s words) almost effeminate (and today we would term them androgynous – right-wing political commentators tend to express extreme distaste for people like that because they don’t fit well into traditional gender roles or into easily categorized sexually dimorphic classifications of men and women).

  • Also, the queue-jumper Canadians who actually go to the US on their own dime are a fraction of the general population and are usually the kind of rich douchebags who practically hump the American flag anyway.


    “Houyhnhnms” are very intelligent horses who treat Gulliver as a special
    person, equivalent to them, because he can speak in complete sentences
    and is capable of logical thought and expression, unlike human-like apes
    who do nothing but grunt, eat and poop. The author clearly fancies
    himself one of these super intelligent special beings.

    Being Swift, it’s more complicated than that.  *Gulliver* thinks that the Houyhnnhms are an ideal to aspire to, not Swift. You’re supposed to figure out in the end that just like all the other races Gulliver met, they’re obsessive extremists who ultimately fail at being good people on account of their narrow-mindedness.

  • Clarification: “The author of the blog entry.”

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Has anyone else seen Romney’s explanation of why he lost? (,0,5622330.story) Basically, his argument is that too many people voted for Obama because Obama’s policies will benefit them!

    US conservatives are bizarre. I can’t imagine a single one of our politicians deriding the idea that their policies should benefit people. Even those on the most far right wing proudly claim that they’re about giving stuff to people. There’s just an undertone of benefitting “the right people” to their boasting–viz., retirees, couples with kids, natural-born citizens, high income earners.

    I’d never in a million years expect to see voting in your own interests derided as a moral failing. Even when it is!

  • SkyknightXi

    It’s probably meant to be contrasted with voting for the nation’s interests as a whole. Recover the status of “envy of the world” et al. Even if one doesn’t get to reap the rewards of that, one can still delight in physical proximity to those who DID reap. Along with a dose of the promise that supply-side-by-default is the ONLY thing that can hope to summoned infinite prosperity (which would look like…what, exactly?).

  •  I *think* that their argument is that “No, really, it’s just a *coincidence* that the policies that are Objectively Good For America just happen to align with the self-interest of rich white men. I’d totally still support these policies even if they did not help me personally.”
    What an amazing and unlikely coincidence.

  • Gotchaye

    It’s also just propertarianism.  They don’t understand themselves as voting for their own interests in a selfish way; they’re only standing up for their right to property.  The amount of money you can convince others to pay you is exactly the amount that you deserve; they’re already being generous when they allow that a flat tax rate is permissible instead of a flat absolute tax.

  •  I’m pretty sure Beck thinks this is God in His “off-again” phase, like how he allowed the Jews to be enslaved over and over.  I imagine Beck figures there’s a Republican savior coming and the devout need only wait for the coming of Supply-Side Jesus.

  • Dash1

     I claim, I am deliriously happy to say, no insight into Beck’s thought processes, if you will (and I won’t, but let’s call them that for the moment, just to get on with it), but I wonder if he’s not referring to the White Horse Prophecy, the coming of the great Mormon president who would rescue the U.S. when “the Constitution was hanging by a thread,” one of Beck’s favorite phrases.

    I suspect Beck was heavily invested emotionally in Romney being the White Horse and is probably in the same state of denial as a lot of the right wing when the Soviet Union collapsed or as a lot of Rapture-Ready fundies when the EU went beyond 10 members, or the Millerites back in 1844 or Camping’s followers last year when the apocalypse failed to materialize.

  •  I would be astonished to discover that Beck was any more sincere in the stuff he espouses while on television than Colbert is.

  • Madhabmatics

     I still believe that this:,20097/

    Is the most biting onion article to come out of this election.

  • I suspect Beck was heavily invested emotionally in Romney being the
    White Horse and is probably in the same state of denial as a lot of the
    right wing when the Soviet Union collapsed

    And look who they found to put in the USSR’s place: domestic enemies.

    The sheer viciousness with which Republicans went after Clinton, his wife, his daughter, and then went on to trash GLBT people to the point of rubbing their noses in permanent second-class status with a “Defense of Marriage Act”, and then winked and nudged at right-wing militia groups, along with a nice side slice of race-baiting through the 1990s….

    Now that Osama is dead and Al Qaeda is barely a blip on anyone’s radar these days, I can only shudder at the thought that the next major target in their sights will be all women and what they will do as they try to keep ripping and tearing at the fabric of American society in their desperate need to have an enemy of some kind.

  • P J Evans

    what they will do as they try to keep ripping and tearing at the fabric
    of American society in their desperate need to have an enemy of some

    I’m hoping that they go after each other for a while, in their ongoing quest for a purer form of conservatism.

  • Dash1

    Never mind that when people “suffering” under socialist health care come
    to America for treatment, it’s usually on the socialist health care
    bureau’s bill!

    Not, apparently, in all universal health care contexts. This little guy is in Britain and needs an operation that he would have to wait too long for in Britain but could have reasonably soon in the U.S. for about $105,000. The parents are trying to raise it, so presumably the National Health isn’t picking up the tab.

    (“Too long” = literally too long; so long that it would no longer be possible for him to have the surgery.)

  • Dash1

     Truly. For some reason, these folks need an enemy or they can’t function. There’s probably something about that in Altemeyer’s The Authoritarians.

  • arcseconds

    wrt ‘Dear Young Conservative’:

    The word ‘evidence’ sets of alarm bells?  WTF?

    (I’d expect this of certain portions of the religious right, but Pierson rather appears to be addressing the libertarian portion of the Republican voting bloc.  And here was I thinking libertarians prided themselves on their Reason and Science…)

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    “Could have reasonably soon for $105,000” means “could not reasonably have”