Never side with the boss against the people who handle your food

Never side with the boss against the people who handle your food November 27, 2012

“Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day” was a nasty display of tribal solidarity against outsiders — Eat More Chicken to show your support for the religious freedom of hating gay people. It was a weird, but briefly profitable, stunt for the chicken chain.

But the half-hearted attempt to create “I Stand With Papa John’s Day” presents a whole new level of hazard.

It’s one thing to ask someone to prepare you a chicken sandwich as an expression of your dislike for gay civil rights. It’s something else entirely to ask people to prepare and deliver you a pizza as an expression of your contempt for the people who prepare and deliver your pizza.

Or, as TBogg says:

Just tell the Papa John’s employee on the phone that you support John Schnatter and that your deepest hope is that the employee never gets adequate healthcare, and you’ll not only get free delivery, but a little something extra on your pizza.

Regardless of your politics: Never take sides against the people who handle your food.

More on the anti-worker dishonesty of pizza baron “Papa John” Schnatter from CJR.

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One perk that comes with having mind-bogglingly vast amounts of money is that you don’t have to worry so much about spending it effectively.

“I don’t mind a parasite. I object to a cut-rate one.”

Fossil fuel companies paying shills to promote their climate-change denial propaganda can afford to slosh that money around all over the place.

So, sure, having their hired hack E. Calvin Beisner parroting their spiel for the radio audience of the American Family Association may seem like a waste of propaganda funds. After all, how many of Bryan Fischer’s listeners were really on the fence about climate change?

But on the other hand, Beisner works relatively cheap, and he’s always willing to say whatever it is they want him to say without any regard for facts or integrity.

So they may as well keep him on the payroll.

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The National Rifle Association is not an organization for gun-owners, but for gun-manufacturers.

It was in the interests of those corporations that the NRA spent Obama’s first term warning of a super-secret, super-tricky black-president conspiracy to take away everyone’s guns in his second term.

That nonsense is paying off following the election:

In the days after the election, gun sales apparently spiked, according to WITN in North Carolina.

Fears of strengthened gun control laws apparently instigated the buying frenzy.

The profits from those frenzied sales is what the NRA is all about. Not the interests or rights of gun owners. And not the Constitution.

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  • They must have sprung for satellite TV then. Fox doesn’t get carried by Canadian cable providers as far as I know.

    (although there was a huge omgshitstorm when Al Jazeera wanted to be carried on Canadian cable.)

  • Joshua


  • hidden_urchin

    Does she actually grasp the implications our lousy health care “system” for seniors will have for her?

    Yup.  My grandparents are on Medicare but pay an additional five grand a year for supplemental coverage.  My grandmother still can’t afford the hearing aids she needs.

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you “the greatest healthcare system in the world.”

  • AngryWarthogBreath

    I am reminded of that picture that was going around to welcome all the Republicans who swore they were going to run away to Australia. It’s true we have very few black people. We’re not good at immigration at all. But there is the government Medicare for everyone, and the unmarried atheist female Prime Minister. Though she came out against gay marriage (because… um… comets?), it’s not exactly welcoming news for conservatives.

    I do remember a Senator or Representative talking about how the NRA has a stranglehold on the government, and that no one gets a chance to speak against them without facing way too many obstacles in their way next election. I remember the droll despair of his finishing statement: something along the lines of “By the way, the reason I’m telling you all this is because I’m not running for re-election.”

    My personal favourite lines that don’t get enough play from the movie may not count, because they’re both Renault’s and Renault’s every line gets quoted; he’s the Tyrion Lannister of Casablanca. But they’re “I like to think that you killed a man. It’s the romantic in me.” and “If he gets a word in, it’ll be a major Italian victory.” That whole bit of business with the French and Italian soldier passing by Renault, and both pausing their argument for their different salutes, was all wonderfully done.

  •  “I like to think that you killed a man. It’s the romantic in me.”
    From that same scene:”I came to Casablanca for the water.”
    “Water?  There is no water in Casablanca!”
    “I was misinformed.”

  • If anyone wants to see the site I’m talking about, it’s

    5linx [dot] net [slash] L546319

    I hope you find something useful.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Superheated liquids led to my adventure in the first place, so I’ll give it a pass ;)

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    I am reminded of that picture that was going around to welcome all the Republicans who swore they were going to run away to Australia. It’s true we have very few black people. We’re not good at immigration at all.

    More than one in four Australians are migrants; more than one in three are either migrants or the children of migrants. Might you be confusing immigration wth refugee policy, or Australia with Australia of the 1950s?

    As for “very few black people” it depends on where you live, what you mean by “very few”, and what you consider “black”. Cos over the past 20 years and in several different areas a substantial percentage of my school classmates, fellow uni students, neighbours, colleagues and friends have been from India, Sri Lanka, Polynesia and Melanesia, and they all refer to themselves as black. We don’t have much of a population from central and western Africa, I’ll grant you that. But the picture you’re painting of a largely homogenous British society hasn’t been true for a few generations now.

  • Erm, not crazy about this “work at home make $$$” thing.

  • Kisekileia

    @Sgt. Pepper’s: I’m in Canada, not the U.S., but here, people from central and western Africa (and similarly dark-skinned people from the Caribbean or the U.S.) are called black, and people from India and Sri Lanka (not sure about Polynesia and Melanesia–I don’t know what those people look like) are called brown. 

  • kisekileia

    Arabs are called brown too. Same with South Asians from places other than India and Sri Lanka.

  • PorlockJunior

     Citation needed! I was trying to refresh my memory of the Casablanca scene, and came up blank after a good bit of YouTube searching.
    Can anybody point to the place in the movie? Not that I’d mind watching the whole thing again, but sometimes one has too much to do.

    But I did like the out-take that has a couple YT appearances.

  • PorlockJunior

    I’m still surprised at the frequent proofs that no MBA ever takes a first-year course in economics.

    “The business will just pass the expense on to the customers.” Like Hell it will. A new cost imposed from ouitside is divided according to the relative elasticities of supply and demand. Draw the fucking curves. It’s totally conventional supply and demand. As American as Adam Smith — though the more or less rigorous treatment and the graphics came later.

    The only way it can *not* be true is the failure to have a free market.  (NB: Then again, hardly any business does operate in an economic, or Smith-Ricardo, free market, as opposed to a political, or Milton Friedman when not wearing his academic economist hat, free market. Nor does anyone want to.)

    All I can say to the business community is, GET A BRAIN MORANS.

    PS: Nitpickers will claim that this proves only that *some* business types are pig-ignorant of free markets. Nix. The whole community stands by and watches, usually applauding, and never tries to correct such stuff.

    Other nitpickers will say that they’re all just lying. Hmm, maybe I’ll have to consider that.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Interesting. I’ve never heard an Australian refer to themselves, or someone else, as brown. “Black” is pretty unusual–it’s much more common to refer to ancestry as Indian, Tongan, Egyptian etc, but it is used occasionally. Mostly in the first person, now that I think of it. I’d only ever heard the term “brown” used by Americans, so I assumed it was a reference to Latinos cos that’s one ethnic group that’s sparsely represented here.

  • EllieMurasaki

    In my experience ‘brown’ is rarely a self-identifier, and when it is it’s generally synonymous with ‘multiracial’. The groups that most often get called ‘brown’ are South and Southwest Asians, Latinos, and Native Americans, sometimes also African-Americans, and multiracial folk whose ancestry includes at least one of the above. Not East Asians for some reason (maybe because their slightly-derogatory color term is ‘yellow’), and of course not whites. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard people called ‘brown’ in any context other than to point out a third party’s racism–in any other context it’s either the specific ethnic identifier (for values of ‘specific’ where ‘Native American’ counts and so does ‘Sioux’ even though the latter is a narrow slice of the former), ‘people of color’ (which is basically everybody who isn’t white), or something nasty.

  • Tricksterson

    Pretty good as chains go.  Much better than Dominos, not as good as HoP’s or Papa Ginos

  • P J Evans

    Did that to myself once. (Fortunately, it didn’t get infected, so only topical antibiotics were needed. I was a lot more careful with that tea kettle after, though.)

  • Kiba

    Don’t forget Texas. 

    The state constitution prohibits marriage between same-sex couples. Amended in 2005 to read: “(a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman. (b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.” See Texas Constitution, Article I, § 32.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I find myself curious to see what would happen if Texas courts, like Vermont courts, required either the extension of marriage to same-sex couples or the creation of a legal status for same-sex couples that’s marriage in all but name. I doubt that’ll happen, because I’m confident the US Supreme Court will make marriage equality a nationwide thing when they rule on that cluster of cases that they’re about to review, but it’s interesting to contemplate.

  • Kiba

    Yeah anything similar to marriage is a no go. And if you get married in a state that does allow same-sex marriage and move to Texas and eventually decide to divorce…good luck with that. Texas says that since it does not recognize same-sex marriages you can’t get a divorce. We currently have two such cases waiting to be heard by the Texas Supreme Court. 

  • Doesn’t that violate full faith and credit?

  • EllieMurasaki

    It should, but DOMA.

  • stardreamer42

     Oh, you looked? I figured it was some kind of scam like that, and didn’t bother. “Make money working from home” is one of the sure-fire indicators. Poor Jeff is going to lose his shirt (and quite possibly a number of friends, who will not appreciate being spammed about this crap).

  • stardreamer42

    Yes, it absolutely does. The problem is that until a court challenge gets up to a level where the judge has actually read the Constitution and overturns it, it stays in effect. There is nothing in the checks and balances to prevent a state (or, for that matter, Congress) from passing a blatantly unconstitutional law, and IMO there should be.

  • Yeah, my spidey-sense kinda tingles looking at that website. Probably others are also kind of wary so that’s why Jeff isn’t getting much response on it.

  • Joshua

    In New Zealand, brown is sometimes used to describe Maori or Pacific Island people. I’ve never heard a use that struck me as derogatory, although I’m neither one, so maybe not best placed to judge.

    Don’t recall a Maori person or Pacific Islander referring to themselves that way. More likely to use “Maori” or “tangata whenua” for the first, “Pasifika” or the name of the country they come from for the second.

  • “Fossil fuel companies paying shills to promote their climate-change denial propaganda can afford to slosh that money around all over the place.”

    In fact they’re so careless that they ‘slosh’ far more of it towards warmist causes and warmist lobby groups than they do towards AGW sceptics. Funny, that…

  • Yeah, my spidey-sense kinda tingles looking at that website. Probably others are also kind of wary so that’s why Jeff isn’t getting much response on it.

    Even if it were a perfectly legit business model, I can’t imagine that the general response to “I’m really hurt that none of my friends will buy my product” is a positive one. Viewing friends in terms of their sales potential is a crappy business strategy (it’s not a good friendship strategy either), and laying on the emotional blackmail when those sales don’t come in doesn’t help.

  • WalterC

    The full-faith and credit clause doesn’t apply to marriage, under the public-policy exception. People tried to use that to overturn the interracial marriage bans back in the day but that argument was never accepted; they had to reference equal protection and due process of law, and that’s what pro same-sex marriage litigators are having to do now.

  • I’ve read the comments and any response would be superfluous.


    You may want to actually take the time to address the concerns raised in those websites rather than assuming we’re all trying to harsh your buzz because we’re assholes.

  • WalterC

     Yeah, I think that most people are pretty well-trained nowadays to see multi-level marketing programs like 5Linx as scams. Even if it isn’t, you have to put more effort in overcoming that original skepticism because it just seems (at first glance — I’m not claiming that I studied this company thoroughly) to be another version of Amway or Primerica, two companies that aren’t exactly well-liked or respected.

    It may be a legitimate business and not a scam in the sense that Invisible Neutrino’s links depict scams (that is, outright theft) but that doesn’t mean that most or even many of the people who get involved in stuff like this end up making any money out of it.

  • “You may want to actually take the time to address the concerns raised in those websites rather than assuming we’re all trying to harsh your buzz because we’re assholes.”

    Not doing any of those.  I’ve got a deadline after which I’ll stay with the company but not spend one dime more than what I get back; and hopefully much less.

    But I really don’t care what you think of 5linx as a employment opportunity.  I should have linked directly to the Products tab, since that’s ALL I want people to look at.  These are national brands — Sprint, Dish TV, etc.  For the energy market, it’s the same companies you’re dealing with now.   

    I know a lot of people are trying to scrimp by.  How is trying to save my friends money wrong, when it costs them nothing?

  • To pick up on the Amway example, you’d have to be crazy to be an Amway distributor   But a lot of people like Amway products.  Should they refuse products they like just because of the company’s structure.

    I’m not offering the “Amway Lifestyle”, I’m offering the equivalent of Amway products (but in many cases, national brands instead of Amway products, like if Amway sold Tide for a few cents cheaper.)

  • EllieMurasaki

    I appreciate what you’re trying to do, Jeff, I do, but why should I believe that this company is any more trustworthy as an intermediary for products and services than it is as an employer? And supposing you can produce financial statements to prove that it’s both trustworthy and sure to save me money, it’ll still feel like a scam, and I’m perfectly fine with paying a bit more money to avoid feeling like I’m falling for a scam.