Like a horse and carriage …

Like a horse and carriage … July 25, 2013

“I continue to have pangs of conscience that I did so little.”

“The difference between how a person treats the powerless versus the powerful is as good a measure of human character as I know.”

From out there, we look like stars.”

“She is supposed to call me when she gets out, and we’re supposed to meet and go shopping.”

“There are only two possibilities here: either we have the most evil people on earth living in the United States, or we are doing something dramatically wrong in terms of how we approach the issue of criminal justice.”

They will never be tried, and they will never be released.”

“When libertarians say they are for basic rights, what they are really saying is that they are for treating what liberals consider basic rights as property rights.”

I have purchased seventeen fine negroes and am this day proceeding down the coast to try what I do can there.”

She didn’t treat me fairly and I was her soul sister.”

“No, we don’t treat black males differently than white males. Whatever gives you that idea?

“I don’t like this at all, but I fear very much this is the new normal.”

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  • aunursa

    Finally! We can blame Dubya for the slave trade!

  • aunursa

    That article explaining libertarianism to other liberals reminds me why, when I want to understand the tenets of a particular faith (rather than a hopeless distortion), I am confident that I can receive the most honest assessment from the religion’s opponents.

  • “police say they do want to get him into the system, so that they can get him some type of help.”

    You know, I really can’t stand the mental image this put in my head of some cop literally panting at the thought of arresting yet another Sketchy Black Kid(TM) and then “getting him into the system”.


    You know, maybe we’ll finally move in the direction prisons were moving in the 1960s and 1970s.

  • hidden_urchin

    I find it disturbing they think the only way they can help him is to “get him into the system.”

  • They totally would just pat the white kid on the head and give him or her a lollipop. It’s like social perceptions of race haven’t moved a goddamn millimeter since 1953.

  • Lori

    There are two problems there. The first is that the cops’ perception is that the black boy needs “help” and the white boy does not. The second is that if the black boy does need help putting him in the system is probably the only way he’ll get it and even then the odds are against it.

  • Also? Love the “Canadian Friend” picture. :D

  • Lori

    About Dora Charles and Paula Deen—the thing I think a lot of people don’t get is that it’s no surprise that the Queen of Butter didn’t pay her “soul sister” crap, expected her to do humiliating chores and didn’t give her credit for the part she played in the success of Deen’s restaurant. Having known plenty of people like her, I feel confident that in Deen’s mind being called her soul sister was the compensation for Charles’ work. Dora worked hard and as a reward Lady Bountiful designated her an honorary One Of Us, Not Like Those Other N******. What more could a black woman with a 9th grade education possibly expect? Is she uppity or something?

  • The_L1985

    But Paula’s moved forward! She’s left the plantation, after all–what more could you young whippersnappers possibly want?

  • Lori

    If someone leaves the plantation I give them full credit. Way too many Southern fried racists didn’t leave, they got kicked off. For that they deserve jack and shit and not one thing more.

    ETA: It’s not that there aren’t plenty of racist Yankees, because there are. I just prefer their straightforward awfulness to Paula’s brand of Southern fried bullshit, slopping sugar while screwing over anyone who stands in her way. Steel Magnolia is not always a compliment and in the immortal words of Suzanne Sugarbaker “She’s Miss Valdosta Feed and Grain, and if there’s one thing that I’ve learned it’s that you just can’t be nice to the Miss Valdosta Feed and Grains of the world.”*

    *For those who don’t get the reference:

  • I was just astounded at the fact that she was paying her full-time servant $21k a year when she was hauling down millions of dollars (revenues are quoted for 2012 at $200 million, apparently), and Dora is being positively restrained in her comments on Ms Deen.

    How on earth can people like Paula Deen be so out of touch?

  • Lori

    She’s not out of touch. She’s 100% fully in touch with the people she surrounds herself with—Conservative racists*. Screw the little guy, especially the dark ones whose place in the natural order of things is to kiss our tight white asses for every little crumb we lower ourselves to toss them.

    *Not all Conservatives are racist. Not all racists are Conservative. The overlap of the Venn diagram of Conservatives and Racists is where Paula Deen lives.

  • Still, it’s just appalling that she thinks “soul sister” is all she needs to do to fob off her longtime cooking partner and aide-de-camp.

    She really doesn’t seem to think of black people as human being, or she’d have recognized the terrible inequity she was perpetuating.

  • Lori

    And yet, there it is. She’s an awful person. The best thing that could come of all this is compensation for Ms Charles (which is not going to happen, not least because she doesn’t seem inclined to demand it) and then for everyone to forget we ever heard Ms Butter’s annoying voice.

  • Jessica_R

    “Post Racial” is also why the Temar Boggs story hasn’t got the kind of traction and nationwide trumpeting it deserves,

  • Now I want an audio Bible read by Frank Oz in his various Muppet voices.

  • Lori

    Obviously we can’t blame Shrub for slavery and no one is trying. We can see that the Bush name & fortune, which bought Shrub the Mediocre every bit of success he ever had, was based to a significant degree on the enslavement of Africans. This is not at all unusual for the multi-generational rich in the US. It’s almost enough to make a person suspect that wealth and success aren’t based on merit and the rich don’t actually have better breeding than the rest of us.

  • Trixie_Belden

    She really doesn’t seem to think of black people as human being, or she’d have recognized the terrible inequity she was perpetuating
    That’s it exactly. She just thinks of black people as giant dolls that she can dress up and put into whatever poses as best please her. Of course, she’s “nice” to them. But it’s the “niceness” .that you find in people who like to patronize others.

  • Kermit theeee-FROG here, and I’m going to introduce you to … THE BIBLE. It’s a very thick book, so we’re going to just read it a little bit at a time!

    (in clunks Oscar the Grouch.)

  • I also realized there’s probably some cultural appropriation* in there, too. The word “soul” is sometimes specifically associated with black people (e.g. Soul Man), so Deen calling Dora Charles her “soul sister” sounds like some utterly unthoughtful silly-assed “I totally can relate to you!” thing going on in Deen’s head when she first said it.

    * Well, maybe not. There’s a hefty dash of stereotyping in there too.

  • Trixie_Belden

    compensation for Ms. Charles (which is not going to happen, not least because she doesn’t seem inclined to demand it)
    Yes, I read those comments by Ms. Charles about “feeding her [Deen] with a long spoon, but I would feed her” and I couldn’t help thinking that sometimes it seems to me that even though everyone is always touting the virtues of forgiveness, sometimes it’s just plain wrong. It’s not for me to tell Ms. Charles what to feel, but anger actually seems more justified here. Sometimes “forgiveness” just allows sh*tty people to go on doing sh*tty things.

  • Lori

    Replied to the wrong comment and created a non sequitur.

  • Lori

    No argument from me.

    One of the things that bugs me so very much about the revelations regarding Deen’s crappy business practices (separate & apart from the racism) is that Deen sold herself as this self-made woman. She was poor and desperate for money so she started cooking and built an empire and now she’s rich. The American Dream. And Conservatives ate it up and have supported her because of it. And once again the bootstrap narrative turns out to be at best a small fraction of the story and at worst an outright lie and will any of those who lauded her admit it? No they will not. Will they jump on the next faulty bootstraps story just like they jumped on Deen’s? Experience says, yes they will. And they’ll go right on using these false stories of the self-made to browbeat the poor. That’s one reason I wish Ms Charles would push harder for just compensation. It’s obviously 100% her decision, but I wish she’d reconsider.

    Paula Deen always irritated the crap out of me and now she makes me angry. My fondest hope is that she gets exactly what she’s earned for herself—a slide back into obscurity and much reduced circumstances.

  • Nathaniel

    And I’m sure an intelligent, eloquent fellow such as yourself will easily be able to explain the horrible distortions of libertarian thought that litter the paper.

    After all, its not like we’ve had any experiences with you doing a drive by sniffing at us silly liberals without ever exposing yourself by actually explaining your views or thoughts to the internet peasants.

  • P J Evans

    It was the Walkers, not the Bushes.
    (But they can’t trace the Bushes past Timothy: his alleged father died a couple of years before he was born. And his mother was called before the town fathers a couple of times for having kids without a living husband.

  • P J Evans

    I hear that in Kermit’s voice, with the visual, too.

    You know, that would be a wonderful thing.

  • Lori

    Fair enough. The basic point about the origins of old money stands. Most of that money came as the result of someone being an asshole and dependents of assholes really have no call to look down on the rest of us just because their asshole ancestor was a big enough asshole to grub up a big pile of cash. (The point also stands about the fact that being born rich & connected is the only reason W. isn’t selling used cars or some such and trying to keep the bank from repossessing his trailer. Everything he did on his own failed.)

  • Jurgan

    This reminds me of a saying my wife likes: “The measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.” It’s not a perfect rule- I’m sure I can think of some exceptions- but it’s pretty reliable.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Getting an honest study of *anything* is a complete wash if you only look at one side.

    Unless we are discussing the awesomeness of Dark chocolate Milky Ways.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Alternately phrased “The measure of a man is how he treats those under him.”

  • Matri

    I thought it was “-how he treats his enemies”?

  • Keulan
  • Baby_Raptor

    There’s a few different versions, yeah. I think that happens to any well-used quote.

  • Or sushi. Salmon rolls are absolutely divine. :D

  • de_la_Nae

    Well, that’s some tears at the awfulness we’re capable of.

  • Hexep

    It’s part of a series of posters from World War 2. You can see some of them here:

  • themunck

    You are incorrect.

  • stewart

    Sorry, fat thumbs and a tablet. Unfortunately, we are doing some mean things in Canada, but random anonymous acts of kindness need to be encouraged everywhere.

  • Michael Pullmann

    And of course, there’s still old Grandpa Prescott more than likely having laundered money for the Nazis.

  • mattmcirvin

    Does “the system” in question ever *help* anybody? It seems to me that it’s usually the opposite.

  • Lori

    Oh yeah, he was a peach too. W’s family tree is laden with folks who are obviously our betters. [eyeroll]

  • Wednesday

    Really? Because when I tried that with Mormonism, the opposition was too busy sneering about magic underwear and cults and polygamy to say anything of substance. So I checked out some blogs by ex-mos who were trying to be bridge-builders between Mormons and non-Mormons, rather than opponents to Mormons

  • Albanaeon

    I prefer “Anybody who’s nice to you, but not nice to the waitstaff, is not a nice person.”

    It not only sums up why someone would be an asshole, but gives a pretty reliable method of finding them.

  • VMink

    Jesus as Big Bird? Paul-Who-Was-Saul as Oscar? Snuffleuffagus as Enoch? Sam the Eagle as Moses?

    I could get behind that… =)

  • redsixwing

    Amen to the divinity of salmon rolls.

    They are second only to really good uni.

  • kittehonmylap

    In the words of Sirius Black: “If you want to know what a man’s like, take a good look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.”

  • Are there big chunks of avocado in salmon rolls? If so, then no thank you. I had occasion to try avocado again a couple of weeks ago and still don’t like it.

  • Ixnay on the avocado-way.


  • ReverendRef

    You’ve got me hearing Kermit . . .

    “It’s The Bible, with our first book …. Genesiiiiiissss … Yaaayyy”