I wonder if this law will apply to mosques as well…

I wonder if this law will apply to mosques as well… June 7, 2012

Homosexual couples in Denmark have won the right to get married in any church they choose and if the priest or clergy refuses the Bishop must find a replacement.

Coming to a religiously intolerant, anti-Catholic country near you…

What was that I was saying; this is not about “marriage” but about forcing the normalization of homosexuality.

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  • Valekhai

    From what I can tell from other articles, this only applies to Denmark’s state church, not every church in the country.
    So, there’s something else to add to the incredibly long list of why state religion is a bad idea.

    • Allyson

      I believe it only affects the State Lutheran Church, but I could be wrong.

      • kenneth

        That’s how I’m reading it too. Because they have a state-run, state owned church system there, the church buildings appear to be viewed as public property, in the same way that a national park building might be seen here in the states. 

        • Faith

          How can you tell this from the article?  It clearly says any church they choose.  Do they mean any Lutheran church building in the country of Denmark?  Does this mean that if they want to get married outside on the seashore or something that the bishop is not forced to find a priest who will marry them?  I guess it is just a poorly written article but goodness you’d think they’d make that distinction as it is pretty basic to understanding the situation.

          • Valekhai

            You can’t tell from this article. But if you read other articles about this (it’s always a good idea to check multiple sources), many of them mention that this applies only to the “Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark”, the state church of Denmark. The administration of the church is up to the state to control, not to the church itself.
            My understanding is that it’s more of a social institution that looks like a church. Attendance is very low, but most Danes are members and most weddings, funerals, etc., are handled by the state church.

          • kenneth

            It appears to be that the parliament established a right for gays to use the church facility as a state-run public property of sorts. It’s also important to note that the law doesn’t say that any priest has to marry any gay couple who asks. It places a burden on the bishops to find someone to do it. That can’t be very hard to do in a country that legalized gay marriage 20 years ago.

    • kenneth

      Ironically, this will only harden the resolve of many conservatives to try to establish a state religion here…..

      • Thomas Rhys

         Could you name a conservative that wants a state religion in the US or Canada? I mean I maybe can, but it’s not that common.

        • kenneth

          ALL of those folks who run around fighting lawsuits to put up the 10 Commandments and religious symbols in public buildings are in fact advocating for a state religion. So are those who keep trying to shimmy “creation science” into school curricula. They’re not envisioning as formal a state church as the Danes, where a particular sectarian church would reign, but they do have it in mind to establish Christianity (a very specific sort of it) as the official religion in the U.S. 

          • Arguing for public morals, or even public recognition of public religiosity, is a far cry from an established state church, mate.

          • Gail Finke

             Um…. no they don’t.

          • kenneth

            Read their position statements and legal arguments sometime. 

  • Michael

    I thought Danegeld was paid TO the Danes, not among the Danes. Also I hear a distinct flushing sound from that quarter as Denmark slips beneath the waves. To think this was the country where the King lead his country in wearing a gold star to identify himself with the Jews during WWII.

  • kenneth

    I’m just going to dangle something else out there, that really has noting to do with anything, in the spirit of “Fillion Friday.” I now understand Katrina’s obsession. In the course of researching this business, I came across photos of Helle Thorning-Schmidt, the prime minister of Denmark. The most gorgeous creature our race has ever produced! Strong but feminine physique, and those penetrating steel-gray Viking eyes…. THAT woman could own me. I would happily serve out the rest of my life as her actual, chattel slave…. 🙂

    • L.

      Okay, you sent me scurrying to Google images to check it out. I concur. I think she’s hot – and I’m not even gay. (Or maybe I am?)

  • Uhm … actually, not true. This is only for the state church of Denmark.

  • Sayre

     A preposterous anti-Muslim title! What has Muslims got to do with Judeo-Christian Chalakka Law?

    • Puh-lease. What exactly is anti-muslim about wondering if this would be tolerated if homosexuals wanted to get married in a mosque? You don’t have homosexual muslims? Oh, I forget … Muslims stone and lynch all their gays. 


      • kenneth

        The whole framing of the post suggests that Christians and therefore all decent people everywhere, are being put up against a wall by Denmark’s actions while Muslims, who are really the sinister ones, must be getting a special pass on all this. It was also presumed it was an anti-Catholic move when there is no evidence to suggest that either Muslims or Catholics will be affected in any way by the new law.  Muslims are very often used as a device in these persecution stories – an alien and sinister religious and ethnic group which is collaborating with government and social elites against the solid people of the society. At some point, it starts to smell a little like “Elders of Zion”. 

        I have also noticed over the years that persecution stories gleaned from the news are square pegs beaten into round holes. There’s always a big splash in a blog post citing some vague news story as evidence of yet another nail being driven into the coffin of Christianity everywhere. There’s a big furor, people get angry and scared (and write checks). Attitudes get harder. However, when  we bother to take a closer look at the facts, it turns out the story is a lot more complicated and often has almost nothing to do with the spin made from it.  The exercise is reminiscent of the early Cold War, where every tree shadow and sewer lid in photos of the Soviet Union became a “missle silo” and the runup to the Iraq war, when every building with drums in the yard became a “chemical weapons factory.” 

    • kenneth

         Muslims have nothing to do with the facts at hand, but they make a very nice ornament for the modern persecution narrative which many, though not all, Christians use these days to reinforce each other’s fears, forge a stronger group identity, and above all, raise political cash.

          There is no mention in any of the stories about this Denmark development which mention Muslims. In fact, everything seems to indicate that the decision only affects the state-owned and run Lutheran churches in Denmark, not Catholics, Muslims or anyone else. So why the gratuitous Muslim swipe? Well, we have to back up a step and consider how persecution narratives work. The idea is to help members of a large and privileged majority group, Christians, in this case, feel very singled out and targeted and powerless, and above all, scared. 

          In the American imagination, Muslims are scary people. Its assumed they’re either terrorists or at least nascent radicals who plan to take us all over by force of demographics, and then subject the world to a caliphate. Even the “good Muslims” who show no interest in anything but good old American materialism are suspect. Their near-daily disavowals of terrorism are never quick or loud enough for our comfort, so we have to assume they mean us no good either.

          Circling back with this, the persecution narrative says lefties, anyone less rabid than Rush Limbaugh, intends to enforce atheism by wiping out all sincere Christians and heterosexual marriage, and God only knows, the dirty commies will probably go after football and NASCAR sooner or later.  Muslims, in the narrative, will get cut special breaks because lefties have this blind spot for political correctness, and they’re also afraid of having some fatwa issued against them. They don’t want to get killed by some suicide bomber while they’re loading organic produce into their 5-ton SUV with the Greenpeace stickers on it. So Muslims get a free pass while red-blooded Christians get the shaft. The fear narrative is not about what IS true but what people want to believe is true. Muslims, like the rug in the Big Lebowski’s apartment, really make the room hang together.