The WCA Says, “Just Turn It Off” To GLBTQI People

The WCA Says, “Just Turn It Off” To GLBTQI People February 4, 2019

This is what the doctrinally pure, i.e., the splinter Wesleyan Covenant Association (WCA), will ask anyone who wants to belong but who may not fit their definition of purity: just “turn it off.”

Just "turn it off"I saw the musical, “The Book of Mormon” last weekend–and laughed all the way through it. As my friends warned me ahead of time, it is full of the “f-bomb” word and extremely sacrilegious. They were certainly right. Another friend, after a similar warning, also mentioned, “it is wickedly funny.” That’s a perfect description as well.

If you’ve not seen it, this hilarious, high-energy musical pokes fun at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, i.e., the Mormons, in every possible way. It is the parody of parodies, and clearly written by those who had researched their subject thoroughly.

As I laughed my way through it, I also thought, “It would be a piece of cake to write a similar parody about The United Methodist Church, our various fights, and especially about the called General Conference, set to begin on February 23, 2019, less than three weeks from now.”

At that time, a single committee of 864 people will debate 76 pieces of legislation and then decide which of the 76 pieces to legislation will be sent to the plenary session to be further debated by exactly the same 864 people.

It’s set up that way because we are so emotionally split off from each other, so lacking in covenant trust with one another, that organizers of the conference didn’t feel they could risk breaking it up into more traditional smaller committees to debate the various proposals.

Is this not parody material at its best?

The proposals, by the way, concern the future of the very heart of The United Methodist Church. Essentially, they ask the UMC to clarify, “Are you indeed a church of open hearts, open minds, open doors (our official slogan)?”

Or “are you a church that defines itself as doctrinally pure, which means, by the clear admittance of those who already define themselves as having reached the exalted state of doctrinal purity, that no gays will be allowed?”

Now, that “no gays allowed” statement is not quite true. All those who may fit under the umbrella of the GLBTIQ+ community are welcome to enter. That is, their money and their talents are welcome. The UMC is all about noses and nickels, after all.

But never, ever aim for leadership and, preferably keep totally silent about your essentially unacceptable sinful selves.

So, when I saw this piece being performed on the stage, I nearly started crying, both from laughter and from the reality it offers. This is what the doctrinally pure, i.e., the splinter Wesleyan Covenant Association (WCA), will ask anyone who wants to belong but who may not fit their definition of purity: just “turn it off.”

Just turn it off, folks. Turn off your questions, your hurts, your agonies, your differences and especially, turn off, hide, try to escape from, your sexuality.

Turn off any idea, any questions, that the leadership has decided are unacceptable for discussion. Enter into the world of tight fundamentalism, but on perhaps a slightly less science-dismissing fringe. And they don’t call it “fundamentalism,” of course. They call it “orthodox.” Yeah, well so do the real fundamentalists. Once there is no room for questions, people have entered the slavery of the mind and soul.

But, on the upside, slavery is easier. And ever so easy to defend, especially if you are a “biblical” fundamentalist since it is affirmed all over the Bible, and not spoken of in disparaging terms. And, just think about it! As the White Supremacists say, “Gosh, those slaves were treated WELL! They had food and everything!” “They were treated like family!”

More than that, when someone is in slavery, consider how much less mental energy must be spent thinking theologically about things! Instead, they can simply be quiet little laborers for the Lord, happily slinging their money in the offering plates, and leaving the authority figures to make the truly important decisions.

“Turn it off.” Turn off your minds, your souls, the core of your being, and join the WCA.

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  • David Mercer

    I don’t care what the Bible says. Telling people there is something wrong with them at the core level of their being is evil. This is coming from a Former United Methodist Minister

    • Reese

      “I don’t care what the Bible says” is certainly an honest admission from a “Former United Methodist Minister”. The UMC bishops should be so honest!

    • RoundRocker

      Except the Bible doesn’t say homosexuality as we know it today is a sin. I suggest you read “Walking the Bridgeless Canyon” by Kathy Baldock and “God and the Gay Christian” by Matthew Vines. Both are deeply researched and present excellent arguments to those who use the Bible to justify discrimination against LGBT people.

      • RonT

        Usually “Silence” is not a solid argument; however, using that approach, is pedophilia not a sin? (Of course it is!) I don’t know of any place in Scripture where anyone rejected it. There are many places where Jesus implied that male&male and female&female sex was not encouraged. Since Jesus was required to be perfect, He would have be obedient to Mosaic Law or explain the the reason. I’m sure that you have noticed that the male and female body was created by God for sexual activity; whereas, male/male and female/female needs to use devices or use body parts meant more for expelling than penetration. Just saying!!!

        • RoundRocker

          Where did I say silence is a solid argument? Rather than go into a lengthy explanation, I pointed folks toward resources that have already made the argument using solid research and exegesis. It takes a book to thoroughly make the argument; not silence. As for what you think same-sex sex is about, I would suggest you educate yourself. Heterosexual couples do many of the same activities, and homosexual couples don’t all do what you think (using “devices” or “body parts meant more for expelling…”. lol

          • RonT

            Your first sentence: “Except the Bible doesn’t say homosexuality as we know it today is a sin.”. Since the Bible doesn’t say, I should read either/or both, “Walking the Bridgeless Canyon” by Kathy Baldock and “God and the Gay Christian” by Matthew Vines for the answer? I wish, some day, that you could educate me on single sex practices. (Rhetorical)

          • RoundRocker

            There are plenty of things the Bible specifically says are sins that Methodists seem to have no trouble accepting. Divorce, jealousy, gluttony, inhospitality, avarice. My brother was a Methodist minister. He had been divorced twice. Apparently, that particular sin didn’t keep him from becoming and staying a minister. And no, neither divorce was on grounds of infidelity, which is the only reason the Bible says it’s acceptable to divorce.

            As for single sex practices, homosexuals have far more creativity than to mimic boring old straight sex practices.

          • RonT

            I hope that your disapproval of your brother isn’t causing you to stereotype all Methodists? The problems you listed are common to many people of all different walks of life. Excuse me if I quote scripture because that list is more complete than your list. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, [10] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.)
            The Methodist Church, along with many “Main Line” churches are suffering from internal corrosion. There is a coordinated push to corrupt the traditional and orthodox structure of these organizations. Jesus predicted this falling away in Matthew 24. The Disciples asked Jesus for signs. This does not imply any specific time frame. Only that false prophets will rise and confuse many, verse 11.

            4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, [b]pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

            9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

          • RoundRocker

            Who said I disapproved of my brother? I was using that as an example of what kind of “sins” the UMC will allow for pastors and parishioners, while using another “sin” to exclude others from the ministry. That’s where the hypocrisy lies. Now please point out for me the verse where Jesus, not Paul, says anything about homosexuals (not that Paul said anything about homosexuals either, but I’m asking for the teaching of Jesus that said anyone should be excluded). I’ll wait.

          • RonT

            I really apologize for interpenetrating your statement incorrectly!
            I am not sure how to answer, but I’ll try. I know of no specific verse where Jesus specifically mentions homosexuals. This question is similar to the Muslims silence argument to refute the Christian claim that Jesus was Divine. It goes like this: show me a verse in the Bible where Jesus says: “I am God, worship me”. We know that there is no verse that specifically says that. So they maintain that since that was never specifically recorded (silence), Jesus was just a man. Are you saying that Jesus was not aware of homosexuals, or maybe, He didn’t disprove because there is no record of him specifically mentioning them? If not, what is the conclusion you draw from the Bible’s silence on Jesus not specifically mentioning homosexual? I might add pedophiles and rapists.

          • RoundRocker

            Uh huh. Exactly. Yet he did specifically mention divorce for reasons other than infidelity was a no-no. Yet the UMC allows people who have divorced as pastors. So apparently some sins are okey dokey for pastors, and some are not. The question is, what is the Methodist hierarchy of sins? Apparently, divorce is OK even though Jesus specifically said it was bad, but homosexuality is the bigger sin even though He never mentioned it. Pedophilia would fall under the category of child abuse which Jesus frowned on, and rape would count as fornication, which he also mentioned. I’m not sure why pedophilia and rape are the things that immediately come to your mind when the topic is homosexuality. And hypocrisy.

          • RonT

            If you will notice, there is no hierarchy in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. I mentioned it because it does not rank one sin above another – sin is sin. Sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God. I mentioned Pedophilia and rape because they are perverted sex acts and not mentioned. Nice, I detected your shot though! You proved my point about silence. You were able to resolve the concept without the specific word being recorded.
            As I mentioned: The Methodist Church, along with many “Main Line” Churches are suffering from internal corrosion. Jesus predicted this falling away in Matthew 24. That should indicate that I am not defending the UMC or other main lines.
            You seem to really strong feeling against the UMC – maybe a little too much? Your insistence on; it ain’t in the book so it doesn’t count! I tried my best in my last comment to limit the response area but you go back to your original argument. You will notice I agreed on the Mainline Churches (UMC included). And I state that Homosexual practices is not a worse sin than any other.

            I just checked back on the reason you left the UMC, I get it. I left the UMC as well!

          • RoundRocker

            I keep talking about the UMC specifically because that’s the topic of the article. And because it seems to be the UMC that has a hypocritical hierarchy of sin, as I’ve said. I’m done with this discussion. You can’t seem to grasp my point. I don’t know if I’m not stating it well, or you honestly don’t understand, or you’re being deliberately obtuse. Good day, sir.

          • RonT

            Good day to you as well. I wish you well.

          • RonT

            Creativity is necessary because “boring old straight sex practices” are not possible.

    • disqus_7wWyVBLcfS

      david, FWIW my umc ordained pastor teaches that 1) all reading involves interpretation of the words written an 2) that when we interpret scripture so as to weaponize it, we are doing it wrong

      • RonT

        Your pastor is right. there is study to find the context and conditions where and when the words were recorded. However, I would need more information to give acceptance to many Ordained UMC Ministers. It should be obvious that many ministers were less than candid (disingenuous) when they professed to uphold the Discipline at their ordination service. The problem we are experiencing today is due to the fact that ministers had NO compunction in knowingly disrespecting their vows and trashing the discipline. Sadly, the Bishops and conference heads refused to enforce the Discipline.

  • Reese

    A Methodist for most of my 70+ years, I know of no instance where homosexual people were excluded from worship in a Methodist Church. There is the Book of Discipline which prohibits homosexual weddings and excludes homosexuals from clergy positions, but that has been ignored so often that the UMC is now on the doorstep of extinction. The Wesleyan Covenant Association is only a result of the demise of our old traditional values Methodist Church. It is an alternative to the sinking ship. There are other alternatives. In my case, I – like millions of others over the last decades – simply suspended my membership, tore up my pledge card and worship in a church that reflects the values of my parents and generations before, and the old Methodist clergy and Sunday School teachers, and my culture of thousands of years.

    • RonT

      I, similar to you, was an 80+ UMC member before I left. The abandoning of fundamental (orthodox) precepts has resulted, so far, in decades of continual membership loss. The church has many pastors that have been less than candid when accepting their Ordination vows and now are trying to erase the requirement they lied about at Ordination. You are correct when you say that non-practicing homosexuals, and alcoholics along with other unacceptable lifestyles are not necessarily excluded. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, [10] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.) The Christian Church does not exclude anyone repenting of the Non-Christian life style and attempting live a life that honors God.

      • Reese

        Seriously? Couldn’t you find a less ambiguous passage? I’m Kidding, of course! This and other passages make it clear. What it makes it even more clear to me is that I have never seen one passage in our Bible which celebrates, acknowledges, reports, supports, quotes or gloats on a same sex union. Not one.

  • John C Holbert

    Reese, I care very much what the Bible says, and it does not say that gay persons should be excluded. It does talk a few times about human sexuality from its two-millennia ago knowledge base, but why should that be determinative for us in 2019 any more than its rejection of shrimp and crabs? Please allow modern learning to infiltrate our hearts and minds. We assumed the Bible once condoned slavery, too; it did not and does not. WE assumed that the Bible excluded women as leaders; it did not and does not, when seen in its rich totality. The Bible should never be used as a smokescreen for ignorance or bigotry.

    • C_Alan_Nault

      “We assumed the Bible once condoned slavery, too; it did not and does not. ”

      Here is the definition of the word condone:

      1 Accept behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive

      Here’s what the Bible claims are god’s rules/laws regarding slavery:

      However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Leviticus 25:44-45

      When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21

      The old testament condones slavery.

      New testament says:

      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5

      Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. 1 Timothy 6:1-2

      The new testament condones slavery.

      “WE assumed that the Bible excluded women as leaders; it did not and does not, when seen in its rich totality.”

      Here is what the Bible says about women as leaders ( females are the property of their fathers until they marry):

      Genesis 3:16 …. and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
      1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man…

      Ephesians 5:22 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
      23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

      1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

      1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    • Jeffery Agnew

      Interestingly enough, Peter’s vision of all things applies in both cases: what God has created, let no one call unclean. And, I find the fundamentalist obsession with sex odd, how they reduce other people’s love to the carnal while sacramentalizing their own. Surely, that is an offense against a God who is Love.

  • Joan Watson

    Obviously your understanding of open doors, hearts and minds is a very narrow one–it applies only to those who agree with you. Anybody that disagrees with you is a hopelessly flawed person.

    • Linda Coleman Allen

      Wrong. Try again.

  • Texas_lib

    As a life-long Methodist my heart is breaking over this discussion and the choice I may have to make regarding my affiliation. I cannot in my conscience be a member of any group that excludes anyone at any level because of their private lives. The sexuality of others is simply none of my business. We are ALL God’s children and being different doesn’t make us damned.

    • Linda Coleman Allen

      If I were there with you, I would give you a standing ovation.

    • RonT

      What does make us “Damned”? Because we are all God’s children, does that give a free pass to everyone? Jesus talked many times about Hell and HE is the final judge. Is Hell empty and Jesus will have nothing to judge? What about the White Throne in Revelation?

      Just wondering???

      • Max

        Ron: When you get to Hell, maybe send us up a bulletin about your opinion of it.

        • RonT

          Definitely not the “I’m not that type of CHRISTIAN” answer I would have expected! No facts and off point. RoundRocker, you thought that was a good response? No discussion here!

          • Leigh Williams

            I thought it was a great response. But I should mention that

            1) there is no Hell, and
            2) I doubt you’re a Christian.

          • RonT

            In your other reply to me you said: “Methodists don’t believe in “End Times”. Your eisegesis is not our problem.”, and in this one you say “there is no Hell.”. I can only conclude that you are not too familiar with or believe in the Scriptures. Could this be one of the reasons that Methodism has continuously lost (every single year) members since about 1965? Progressive thought seems to be encouraging Christians to find a more fulfilling environment?
            I wonder, in two or three simple replies, what would make you decide that I am a non-Christian?

          • disqus_7wWyVBLcfS

            >>”I can only conclude that you are not too familiar with or believe in the Scriptures.

            funny i was thinking the same thing about you when you mentioned sending a bulletin from “hell.” i thought the great chasm described in Luke 16:19–31, would automatically prevent that, (but i’m no biblical scholar….

          • RonT

            I didn’t say anything about sending a bulletin from (as you said) a non existent Hell! That was a comment from Max. You, In fact, complimented Max on his comment, you said: “I thought it was a great response.”. So, you will have to find a accurate statement to question my knowledge. Actually, the chasm would not be the reason that I couldn’t communicate with the living. The chasm prevented travel between Abraham’s bosom (Paradise) and punishment side of Hades (Sheol).

      • Cynthianna Matthews

        You seem to think that Jesus told us that the two most important things to do were “Hate your neighbor if she/he isn’t EXACTLY what you think they should be” and “Judge your neighbor with all your heart, soul and mind as God is a judgmental being with human limitations and sensibilities.” Yeah, I know all this “Love your neighbor as yourself” and “Love God with all your heart and soul and mind” is just so much fluff. It’s all about being JUDGMENTAL and casting people into the fiery pit, right? (smh)

        • RonT

          I’ll answer your last question first. WRONG!! My question is: why are you sooooo angry? I really don’t know how to discuss your comments because they are so negatively exaggerated. Do you believe that people really feel that way? I can honestly say that Christians that I associate with never display the hostility and misstating of opposing views as I encounter with the “I”m not that type of christian” people. I will suggest that you folks lighten up and stop twisting opposing thoughts. I sense your judgement in everything you wrote. When a fundamentalist or orthodox points out an action they feel might be an error, they are really only thinking about your eternity. That’s Love. It is your, and your’s alone, decision whether you to accept or reject. Remember, only Jesus will/can judge you.

          • Texas_lib

            Please stop worrying about my eternity.

          • RonT

            As you wish.

          • disqus_7wWyVBLcfS

            ron, i thnk you missed the irony and sarcasm in cynthiana’s post. maybe i was wrong to see them; if so blame my years as an English major, trained to peek behind the screen of the written word

      • Texas_lib

        I don’t read Revelation and I don’t think I have a right to judge who’s going to hell.

        • RonT

          You don’t read Revelation, so, OK , I assume that you are not familiar with “White Throne”, final judgement, and end times . I agree, you or I do not have the authority to sentence someone to Hell – only Jesus will make that decision. I was mainly interested in your statement: “ALL God’s children and being different doesn’t make us damned.”. It sounds, to me, that you are saying that no one will be determined as unworthy? I submitted this before: ” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, [10] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.) “. Some times Christians are somewhat adamant and not as loving and gentle as we should be, but in most cases we are concerned about your eternity. In most Christian’s mind, Jesus is the only judge – DEFINITELY- not me or any other human. And more importantly, Only you make the decision.

          • Leigh Williams

            Methodists don’t believe in “End Times”. Your eisegesis is not our problem.

          • Edwin Woodruff Tait

            What makes us damned is, more often than not, thinking of ourselves as more righteous than other people.

          • RonT

            Roger that! Along with some others.

      • Kate Johnson

        If God did have a plan to save everyone, would that offend you? What if your interpretation of the Bible was completely wrong?

        • RonT

          I thought I replied the other day, but I can’t find it. So, I’ll try again.
          If my or anyone’s’ interpretation of the Bible was completely wrong, we would have to take full responsibility for making the error.
          God already has a plan in place to save everybody. It is there for the asking. One only has to take advantage of it. If you are talking about a free pass to Heaven and my or anyone’s interpretation of the Bible was completely wrong, I would be more than grateful!!!

          • Kate Johnson

            Cool. Me too. I can’t pretend to know for sure, but I plan to err on the side of mercy and radical grace. I’m an old gal now, and was in a more conservative camp at one time, but have a developed a more expansive view of things these days, as a result, interestingly enough, of studying the Bible, it’s history and compilation, spending a lot of time with God in prayer and meditation and some significant suffering. It’s given me a different perspective. I’ve come to believe God is absolutely and only good, and that he actually loves all his creation, down to the quark. The rest is all us projecting our own duality and violence onto him. But we’re all guessing based on our own personal experience. Peace and blessing to you brother.

          • RonT

            Kate, if I may refer to you as Kate. I too am a mature individual. I am well into my 84th year. I also was a Conservative. I’ll check your longevity – I voted for Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon and Reagan. Nixon and Reagan is easy; however Goldwater? I no longer subscribe to that philosophy. I agree that the OT tends to be a history of the Jewish nation, Creation and Prophecy. I agree also that God loves his creation. John 3:16. Do not, as I perceive Progressives do, loose sight of the fact that God has a place referred to as Hell, the Lake of Fire, and the Bible OT and NT indicate there will be inhabitants sent there at the final judgement. Kate, you are the first conversation that I have had that is not combative!
            Peace and blessing to you Kate, as well!

  • Linda Coleman Allen

    Wow. Just blow this topic out of the water.

  • Chuck Johnson

    Yes, authoritarianism can inspire great parodies.

    • D.M.S.

      Actually what it should state:
      ‘ Is “ NO “ sexually active gays are allowed in the UMC ‘.

  • RoundRocker

    This is why I left the UMC. I cannot and will not accept being treated as a second-class citizen because of who I love. I can’t “turn it off” any more than someone can “turn off” being heterosexual. The point about “noses and nickels” is spot on. Sorry- if I’m not good enough to marry or pastor in your church, I’m not fully accepted. Bye.

  • jekylldoc

    “Once there is no room for questions, people have entered the slavery of the mind and soul.” But we were not given a spirit of fear, but a spirit of freedom. Well said, really.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    What to do-without the bigots with money and the foreign church members with “diversity”, you’re pretty much a cost-cutting version of the Episcopalians or Lutherans…..

  • D.M.S.

    Actually what it should state is that
    “ NO “ sexually active gays are allowed’ in the UMC.
    If the lgbtq actually wants God/Jesus in their lives and to live for Christ Jesus. Then ‘ ALL ‘ of them will want to be celibate.

    • Edwin Woodruff Tait

      It’s terribly easy to mandate celibacy for other people. But you’re right of course that the progressives do misstate the conservative position, frequently.

      • D.M.S.

        If the lesbians and gays want to adhere to a Christian lifestyle and profess to all that they’re Christian.
        Then they will by their own choosing stay celibate or go back to being heterosexual and marry their opposite sex.

  • Texas_lib

    This conversation has gotten way too heated for my tastes, but I wanted to share a passage from 1 Timothy I happened upon while preparing the call to worship for Sunday’s service. It struck me powerfully.

    The spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. ~ 1 Timothy 4:1-7