Respecting World Religions

Respecting World Religions June 9, 2016

 

I was at church once and the pastor was telling us a story about his son’s Christian college class trip to Asia. On this trip they were invited to go inside a temple, and his son and friends said no way. Why would we go inside a religious building for someone other than Jesus? And as this man was telling the story, he was laughing and sneering at the idea that Christians would ever want to go into a place like that. “Why would we want to honor a false god?”

I’m cringing just remembering it.

There is a difference, obviously, between worship and respect. There is so much to admire and appreciate about other religions and their buildings. White Christians have a long history of going into foreign countries and ridiculing and destroying other belief systems and cultures. It is frustrating when you see that still happening, and realize that fundamentalism discourages the development of common courtesy.

On the other hand, it’s really cool to see the opposite play out. I find other cultures fascinating. There is a Bollywood movie I like called Delhi 6, and in it they have a play depicting the story of the Ramayana that included Vali, the monkey king. A religion with a monkey king? What’s not to love about that? So I bought a couple of kids books about it. I wanted them to know the story and appreciate and respect it. But because we weren’t in an area that had a heavy Indian or Asian population, it was for our own enrichment and awareness.

This year however, my son started doing quiz bowl in an area where there is a heavy Asian and Indian presence. And at one of his very first meets, his team had a few questions on Hinduism, and the team seated across from them was all Indian. You could see they were dying because it would have been easy points for them.

But I noticed they were watching to see if these white boys knew anything about their religion. World religion questions pop up fairly frequently at these meets, and yes, part of studying world religions is to score better.

But for me, there is an extra incentive when you are sitting face to face with people of varying skin tones and beliefs, because the underlying question is ‘do you respect my culture enough to learn about it?’

It’s one thing to learn about other cultures in abstraction. It’s another when they are right in front of your face and the answer is ‘no, sorry, I haven’t bothered to learn anything about what is important to you.’

Part of being unfundamentalist is learning from and appreciating other people and other beliefs and learning to respect people’s differences. It’s recognizing that there is truth and goodness in their ways of being, and that it doesn’t make us better to think differently – it just makes us different.

So, because this week was the start of Ramadan, and I came across this article about it, I thought I’d compile a few more resources about learning and helping our kids learn about other religions.

 

Barefoot Books – I love their world cultures section.
9 questions about the Muslim holy month you were too embarrassed to ask.

One World, Many Religions: The Ways We Worship
Muhammad
Buddha
The Dalai Lama
The Prince Who Ran Away: The Story Of Gautama Buddha
Celebrate: A Book of Jewish Holidays
Under the Ramadan Moon
The Fantastic Adventures of Krishna
Stories of the Prophets in the Holy Qu’ran
Prince Siddhartha: The Story of Buddha
How Parvati Won the Heart of Shiva
I Once Was a Monkey: Stories Buddha Told
Sammy Spider’s First Shavuot
Golden Domes and Silver Lanterns: A Muslim Book of Colors
New Year at the Pier: A Rosh Hashanah Story
Becoming Buddha: The Story of Siddhartha
The White Nights of Ramadan
Hinduism For Kids: Beliefs And Practices
Storied Myth – an app a friend from high school created
The five major world religions – TED Ed Lesson
Lesson Planning Ideas: The World’s Religions

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  • Brandon Roberts

    tbh i respect other peoples right to their religions and religion by itself isn’t harmful more certain people who follow it imo but plenty of things in most religions are dangerous (that being said i don’t support judging people based on their religion or lack thereof)

  • I took a comparative religions course a few years ago and delighted in how rich, anc okient and diverse religion is, yet how interconnected and similar so much of it is. The class only touched on some basic concepts. But for me it was a new world to explore. I’d love to experience the traditions and rituals of other faiths, seeing the how’s and whys People celebrate life and try to understand the world around them through the lense of faith.

  • Linnea912

    Yes to all of this. I was fortunate enough to take a world religions course at the Episcopal school where I went from 7th grade until I finished high school. It really was fascinating, and when I run into people who observe other religions, many of them are pleased to discover that I know at least a little about their faith.

    Also, this is kinda cool: the TED Ed talk linked here is done by the same man who teaches that class! Nice to see him get a little shout-out from this blog. 🙂

  • Shiphrah99

    My friend Reza Jalali, a Kurdish poet now living in Maine, wrote this children’s books about Ramadan: http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Watchers-Shirins-Ramadan-Miracle/dp/0884483215?ie=UTF8&keywords=Reza%20Jalali&qid=1465500769&ref_=sr_1_4&s=books&sr=1-4

  • stphnmartin

    Religion is not worthy of respect. It can be acknowledged as among our first and worst explanations of the world we live in. But, today religion deserves criticism and derision for the sustained ignorance in places upon humanity.

  • One Truth

    There is only one true God.

    • Nathan Aldana

      whether thats true or not, shitting on other peoples cultures just because you want to feel like you picked the “winning team” makes you an asshole.

      • One Truth

        “shitting on other peoples cultures”

        Is that what you call it when Christians are respectively spreading the gospel, out of complete love and regard, so others may find eternal salvation through Jesus Christ?

        “just because you want to feel like you picked the “winning team” makes you an asshole.”

        Its not about picking the winning team. It is about worshiping the One True God.

        • Spirit Plumber

          The way you do it? Yes, that’s what I would call it.

          • One Truth

            What….Telling the truth?

          • Spirit Plumber

            Even if your weird theological theory is “the truth”, there are ways and ways to convey a message, you know. Yours isn’t particularly efficient if your intent is to persuade.

          • One Truth

            “Even if your weird theological theory is “the truth””

            Yes….Jesus Christ, The Messiah is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

            “Yours isn’t particularly efficient if your intent is to persuade.”

            It is your choice to believe the enemy if you so choose. Satan fell as a result of his choice.

          • Spirit Plumber

            Your mythology is ambivalent about Satan. Anyway, if we are to believe it, Satan fell because he made a couple of big strategic mistakes.

            Me? I think your God and your Satan are both shady people, and will avoid interacting with both unless one of them forces me to open a can of whoop ass.

            That said, if anyone wants to worship one or the other, hey, go for it, just not on my property.

            But you’ve really got to come to terms with the fact that I can by my own free will select neither of your guys. “The dwarfs are for the dwarfs” as C.S.Lewis put it.

          • One Truth

            “Me? I think your God and your Satan are both shady people, and will avoid interacting with both unless one of them forces me to open a can of whoop ass.
            That said, if anyone wants to worship one or the other, hey, go for it, just not on my property.But you’ve really got to come to terms with the fact that I can by my own free will select neither of your guys.”

            Yep. And when you stand before Christ Almighty, naked in your shame because you refused and rejected He who bore your sins on the cross, and you are cast into The Lake of Fire, which is the eternal punishment for the wicked, you will certainly, in all of your self righteous pride and freewill, be the one who made that awesome decision. Bravo!

          • Spirit Plumber

            Joke’s on you if you think being naked causes me any shame.

            Doubly so if you think a lake of fire scares me.

            A lake has shores. Fire means a recognizable chemistry and physics. I can’t die because I’m already dead, and I have an eternity at my disposal.

            It would be the most epic game of Minecraft ever. Don’t mess with engineers.

          • One Truth

            And then reality steps in.

          • Roger Peritone

            Hah! You’re one to talk! How’s about some evidence to back your sick fantasy up with?

            Your “god” said that he’d return during the lives of his disciples “…some of you standing here…” but that kind of failed, didn’t it?

          • One Truth

            “Hah! You’re one to talk! How’s about some evidence to back your sick fantasy up with?Your “god” said that he’d return during the lives of his disciples “…some of you standing here…” but that kind of failed, didn’t it?”

            No, you simply do not believe or know Gods word.

            Peter, James and John witnessed the foreshadowing of this one week later through the Transfiguration ( Matthew 17:1-7 ) and ( 2 Peter 1:16-18 ).

            Then of course, John the Apostle was given the great Revelation of Christs return….( Revelation 19:11 ~ 21:27 ).

            That should suffice.

          • Roger Peritone

            “Foreshadowing”? Baloney!
            Jesus was talking about his return. At the time that he took a few people up to the montain, he had not even left yet!

            Jesus never said anything about any “foreshadowing”, or him going up on a mountain and talking with a few OT saints. He was talking about establishing his kingdom. There were other events that were supposed to happen. Read Matthew 16:24-28.

            No mountains mentioned, no angels appeared as he said would appear, and no rewards for people as he said would happen.

            This “foreshadowing” nonsense is one of the oldest dodges apologists use. No wonder. If they relent here, they have no choice but to admit that jesus was wrong, and out goes the entire religion.

            For the heck of it, some extra reading where it’s shown the the context of many bible verses show that jesus was talking about returning within the lifetimes of those present then:
            http://infidels.org/kiosk/article/the-lowdown-on-gods-showdown-86.html

          • One Truth

            ” “Foreshadowing”? Baloney!
            Jesus was talking about his return. At the time that he took a few people up to the montain, he had not even left yet!”

            How is it that you think that you can change what the text says, to suite your false agenda regarding slandering Gods word, and think that it will simply fly?

            Lets see what Jesus actually said.

            Matthew 16:28….”Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man Coming in His kingdom.

            Matthew 17:2…..And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became white as light.

            Ok…He was “transfigured” before them.

            Transfigured : To transform into something more beautiful or elevated, exulted, glorified.

            “His face shone like the sun, and His garments became white as light.”

            John vision on the island of Patmos ( Revelation 1:9-20 )……Read it.

            When Jesus Christ returns, “comes in His kingdom”, He will be Transformed, Highly exalted, The King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Ruler over ALL.

            2 Peter 1:16-17…Read it. The Apostles were eyewitnesses of ” His Majesty ” Jesus the Christ, momentarily transfigured to foreshadow the glory into which He would soon behold.

            John 8:56….”Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

            Obviously Abraham, who God made His initial covenant with, was also shown a foreshadowing of King Jesus in all of His great, future glory.

            “There were other events that were supposed to happen. Read Matthew 16:24-28.”

            And it will happen just as promised…….Read 2 Peter 3:1-9.

            “For the heck of it, some extra reading where it’s shown the the context of many bible verses show that jesus was talking about returning within the lifetimes of those present then:
            http://infidels.org/kiosk/arti…”

            For the heck of it…..? Naa, that’s ok. There is enough propaganda out there on the internet to make one completely dizzy and sick. I will simply stick with the Truth concerning Gods Holy word..

          • Roger Peritone

            Me, “changing the words”? All jesus did was change the way he looked. So what? He never even left, much less returned, and brought his kingdom with him. None of the things that were supposed to happen did happen. No angels, no judgments according to works, etc….and jesus made no differentiation in the events in Matthew 16:24-28.

            Read Matthew 16 verse 27 and then read 28. Where please, is there ANY gap implied between the two events? Where is there any hint that these are two seperate events?

            There is a HUGE gap of time between those two events. Why did jesus not say that in a few days, he would be transfigured, but in a far later date, he’d actually do the returning?

            Note that jesus did NOT say that “there would be some of you standing here when I FORESHADOW my kingdom”, he said “come in his kingdom”, period.

            You are the one who has to change your own holy book in order to avoid any problems it has.

            Why is it that you apologists can only escape the problems with your own holy book by taking it out of context?

            Think about it: If jesus was truly referring to his “transfiguration” on the mountain top, why did he not say so? If he was only referring to an event that was going to happen a few lousy days later, why would he say that only “some” of you standing here”, as opposed to “a few days from now”?

            As for the infidels site? I’d have been surprised if you had bothered to read it. People like you hate evidence that goes against what you have already decided to believe. Others though will find it useful in refuting what people like you have to say.

            It has a lot of discussion on the context of other verses that show that jesus meant to arrive within the lifetimes of those around then, or at least close to it, and not 2 thousand years later.

          • One Truth

            “Me, “changing the words”? All jesus did was change the way he looked.
            So what? He never even left, much less returned, and brought his
            kingdom with him.”

            You do not listen. They saw what He declared they would see. The Event has not happened yet.

            If you were to have an extremely vivid dream that your neighbor was in a head on collision and died and that very next day he did, exactly as you saw it, could it be said that you saw him die or not?

            What do you think about the vision given to John in the book of Revelation? Do you even know what the word Revelation means? Have you read the book of Daniel? Do you know that the Prophets predicted the coming of the Messiah, aka Jesus Christ with perfect precision and accuracy? Do you know how that might have happened?

            My friend, there is much that you do not understand simply because God has not given you understanding, simply because your heart is hard and you will not believe.

            “There is a HUGE gap of time between those two events. Why did jesus not say that in a few days, he would be transfigured, but in a far later date, he’d actually do the returning?

            Note that jesus did NOT say that “there would be some of you standing here when I FORESHADOW my kingdom”, he said “come in his kingdom”, period.

            You are the one who has to change your own holy book in order to avoid any problems it has.

            Why is it that you apologists can only escape the problems with your own holy book by taking it out of context?

            Think about it: If jesus was truly referring to his “transfiguration” on the mountain top, why did he not say so? If he was only referring to an event that was going to happen a few lousy days later, why would he say that only “some” of you standing here”, as opposed to “a few days from now”?”

            I will answer this entire rant with one answer……Matthew 13:10-17

            Don’t worry, you most likely will not get it still, yet the answer is right before you. Read it again.

            “As for the infidels site? I’d have been surprised if you had bothered to read it. People like you hate evidence that goes against what you have already decided to believe. Others though will find it useful in refuting what people like you have to say.

            It has a lot of discussion on the context of other verses that show that jesus meant to arrive within the lifetimes of those around then, or at least close to it, and not 2 thousand years later.”

            I could care less about Religion.

          • Roger Peritone

            You said that Matthew 13:10-17 is supposed to answer my “rant”? Jesus decided to speak in riddles so that some supposed “prophecy” in Isaiah can come true? Never mind that all those prophecies are bunk, as seen below, you still can’t seem to deal with the fact that when one reads Matthew 16:24-28, verses 27 and 28 do NOT have any gap in between the events that they describe. There is no “foreshadowing”, no hint that two seperate events are being described.

            You said:
            “You do not listen. They saw what He declared they would see. The Event has not happened yet.:
            Even though the verses above plainly said that it would happen within their lifetimes.

            That “prophecy” failed, and the only way you can avoid having to deal with it is by pretending that I am the one who is somehow “not getting” the scriptures because I don’t see any hint of any “foreshadowing” that is not even implied there.

            You toss out a bunch of other verses that deal with the second coming, but they don’t deal with that problem. They just describe that event itself.

            You said:
            “Have you read the book of Daniel? Do you know that the Prophets
            predicted the coming of the Messiah, aka Jesus Christ with perfect
            precision and accuracy? Do you know how that might have happened?”
            No, because it didn’t.
            http://infidels.org/library/modern/chris_sandoval/daniel.html

            http://web.archive.org/web/20120418064313/http://www.godlesshaven.com/articles/bible-prophecy_pg1.html

            You said:
            “I could care less about Religion.” Does that mean that you don’t consider christianity to be a religion? Does that mean that you think that there should be no religious exemptions for christians when it comes to taxes or other parts of the law?

          • One Truth

            John 8:43-45

          • Roger Peritone

            Oh right! Another bible verse that advocates being outright stupid. Anyone who dares to question obvious bullshit is called evil.

            You realize that your dodging is only becoming more obvious.

          • One Truth

            I have not dodged anything. I HAVE on the other hand ignored your most recent nonsense. I answered your initial question. You were not able to understand the answer. The bible verse simply explains why. It is very simple.

          • Roger Peritone

            Right…of COURSE a holy book would have bad things to say about those who don’t believe it! I’m sure that the bible is totally unique in that regard! :rolleyes:

            That aside, I hope that you don’t think that the serpent in Eden was influenced by the “father of lies” referred to in that verse you just quoted to me, because if so, you’ll have shot down that verse as well.

            The serpent told eve in Genesis 3:4-5 that if they ate of that fruit, that they would become like god, knowing the difference between good and evil. That was born out by what god said in Genesis 3:22

          • One Truth

            “That aside, I hope that you don’t think that the serpent in Eden was influenced by the “father of lies””

            Influenced by??? The serpent IS the devil.

          • Roger Peritone

            Thanks for that confirmation…you’ve just helped show that John 8:43-35 is wrong, then.

            In case you didn’t get it before, in that verse jesus said that the devil always lies. Yet Genesis 3:22 shows that the “serpent” told the truth in Genesis 3:4-5.

          • One Truth

            “Thanks for that confirmation…you’ve just helped show that John 8:43-35 is wrong, then.
            In case you didn’t get it before, in that verse jesus said that the devil
            always lies. Yet Genesis 3:22 shows that the “serpent” told the truth
            in Genesis 3:4-5.”

            You almost had it there Turbo, unfortunately though, a half truth is still a lie…..vs.4…The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die.”

            I suggest that you quit while you still think that you’re ahead.

          • Roger Peritone

            So what if THAT statement was a lie? He was telling the truth with the other statement. It was a different topic. A “half-truth” is when someone doesn’t tell the whole truth about the same topic

            By the way, if “a half truth is still a lie”, then guess what? Read

            1 Samuel 16, verses 1-5. Note the advice that “god” gave samuel.

            So your own god himself advocates telling a half-truth. He tells Samuel to say that he’s just going to sacrifice a heifer if anyone asks him what he’s doing. In reality, his true purpose is to anoint a new king of Isreal. He still does kill the heifer so it’s not an outright lie, but as you yourelf said: “a half truth is still a lie”.

            And it was your own god that had samuel tell it. I thought your god was supposed to hate liars? I thought that it was supposed to be the devil who was the liar?

            Thanks for helping me show that it’s not the case.

          • One Truth

            “A “half-truth” is when someone doesn’t tell the whole truth about the same topic”

            A ‘half truth’ is a lie. Roll it, bounce it off the wall, shake it however you want, its still a lie.

            “By the way, if “a half truth is still a lie”, then guess what? Read 1 Samuel 16, verses 1-5. Note the advice that “god” gave samuel.

            So your own god himself advocates telling a half-truth. He tells Samuel to say that he’s just going to sacrifice a heifer if anyone asks him what he’s doing. In reality, his true purpose is to anoint a new king of Isreal. He still does kill the heifer so it’s not an outright lie, but as you yourelf said: “a half truth is still a lie”.”

            So what. God said go and make a sacrifice. And Samuel did. Where is your problem? There is no lie. Get real and grow up.

            At the end of the day, you sir have a really big problem with God Himself. Guess what, on Judgment day you can take your case up with God. Oh….You don’t believe in God you say. You will then.

          • Roger Peritone

            Do you not read your own holy book? Samuel was afraid to tell Saul what the real purpose of his trip was, which was to anoint a new king for isreal. God told samuel to tell only a partial truth, which you admit is an actual lie!

            “god” told him to say that he was just making a sacrifice, without telling Saul what the real purporse was. Try being consistent with your standard of morality, please.

            Here: When one takes an oath in a court of law, one promises to “tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth”…(the “so help me god” is actually optional)

            Yet the “morality” espoused by the bible, and you, would get a person nailed for perjury, because information that is relevant to the question is left out. You can not get away with that kind of deception in a court of law.

            You on the other hand, take 2 completely different statements, dealing with different topics by the “serpent”, and say that was the “half-truth”?

            I don’t even really need to refute you further. It’s too obvious that you’re flailing around. When a fundy resorts to threats about the afterlife, that’s how one knows that one has won.

          • One Truth

            “Do you not read your own holy book? Samuel was afraid to tell Saul what the real purpose of his trip was, which was to anoint a new king for isreal. God told samuel to tell only a partial truth, which you admit is an actual lie!”

            Listen and listen well, maybe, just maybe, the Lord will give you some insight.

            Samuel was momentarily afraid yes, but God telling him to go and make a sacrifice to the Lord and to invite Jesse, the father of David, has nothing to do with any lie.

            If i say to my young son, dive into the deep water and swim to me, yet my son says “I am afraid, for I do not know how to swim and I will drown.” Though my son does not yet realize it, that is not possible, for I am right there with him. I would swim to him and save him before he could drown.

            The Lord God was with Samuel, and simply told Samuel what He wanted him to do, which was go and make a sacrifice to Him, because he was a servant to the Lord and then God would show him who the next king would be, David.

            Therefore, there is no lie, God simply ignored Samuel’s fear of Saul and commanded that he move forward with the Lords plan ( 1 Samuel 16:1 ). But since your heart is hardened against The Lord God, your mind is dense and clouded. Again, you will NEVER understand anything pertaining to God or His word as long as your heart is hardened against Him ( Matthew 11:25-27 ).

            Go ahead Roger, I can do this all day long.

          • Roger Peritone

            What baloney. God wanted samuel to anoint a new king. THAT was what he “wanted” Samuel to do. He said nothing about a sacrifice until Samuel told god that he was afraid of what Saul would do.

            Remember what God told Samuel to do if he was asked. “god” did not “ignore” Samuel’s fear, he gave him a story to give to Saul.

            Yeah…you can do this all day long. It must make you dizzy though.

            And once again, you advocate circular reasoning with more bible verses.

            You’d better have the “lord” give me the insight. You suck at it.

          • One Truth

            “What baloney. God wanted samuel to anoint a new king. THAT was what he “wanted” Samuel to do. He said nothing about a sacrifice until Samuel told god that he was afraid of what Saul would do.”

            That’s because Samuel interrupted God with his fear of Saul before God could finish His request of Samuel. Do not act like sacrifices where not made to God before this incident….( 1 Samuel 10:6-9 ).

            “You’d better have the “lord” give me the insight. You suck at it.”

            I nor God can give you any insight that you do not wish to have. You have your freewill and you will receive accordingly through this life and the life after according to your choices.

          • Roger Peritone

            Where do you get that Samuel “interrupted” god? Do you have to stretch your bible so much?

            Think: If Samuel had truly interrupted “god”, don’t you think that god would have SAID so? Did “god” say to Samuel that he was not to otherwise worry about Saul? No. He just told Samuel to say that he was going to sacrifice a heifer.

            Face it: The plain context is that “god” gave Samuel a cover story: The sacrifice of a heifer.

          • One Truth

            There is no lie and you cannot make it so no matter how hard you try, DEVIL.

            God told Samuel to make a sacrifice and anoint David as King.

            Get a life and get over it already.

          • Roger Peritone

            We all know what “god” told Samuel to do…the problem is in what “god” told Samuel to tell Saul about what he was doing, if Saul ever asked.

            Did “god” tell Samuel to go ahead and tell Saul that he was going to sacrifice a heifer AND that he was going to anoint a new king, OR did “god” tell Samuel to tell Saul only that he was going to sacrifice a heifer?

            Remember: a half-truth is a lie afterall.

            Looks like it’s god/holy spirit/whatever that is the liar here, yet you are calling ME the “devil”?

          • One Truth

            “We all know what “god” told Samuel to do…”

            You OBVIOUSLY do not.

            “Did “god” tell Samuel to go ahead and tell Saul that he was going to
            sacrifice a heifer AND that he was going to anoint a new king, OR did
            “god” tell Samuel to tell Saul only that he was going to sacrifice a
            heifer?”

            1) GOD ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, told Samuel to tell Saul that He was no longer King, but another would become the King….1 Samuel 15:23-29.

            2) GOD ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH did not tell Samuel to tell Saul ANYTHING about a sacrifice. He simply told Samuel to go and make a sacrifice and anoint David as King…..1 Samuel 16:1-3.

            “Looks like it’s god/holy spirit/whatever that is the liar here, yet you are calling ME the “devil”?”

            You are nothing less than a liar and a child of the Devil, the FALLEN ONE.

          • Roger Peritone

            Let’s see:
            1 Samuel 15:23-29, Yep it does say that. That is the REASON why Saul would be so anxious to find out what Samuel is up to in the first place. If Samuel had never said that to Saul, Saul would never have been suspicious or worried in the first place. How does that help you?

            As for 1 Samuel 16:1-3? About which YOU said that:
            god “…did not tell Samuel to tell Saul ANYTHING about a sacrifice. He simply told Samuel to go and make a sacrifice and anoint David as King…”

            Wrong. Here are the verses in question:
            “The Lord said to Samuel, ‘How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way; I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have chosen one of his
            sons to be king.’

            2 But Samuel said, ‘How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me.’

            The Lord said, ‘Take a heifer with you and say, “I have come to sacrifice to the Lord.” 3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.’ ”

            Please read those verses over until you realize what it actually says. Here’s a hint: Read verse 2 over and over until it sinks in that god IS telling Samuel to say something about a sacrifice, unlike your false claim that he never did.

            God DID tell Samuel what to say if he was asked…it’s obvious that it’s YOU who don’t know what god told Samuel to do.

            The context is obvious. It’s “GOD” who told Samuel to lie by omission. I am not the liar here.

          • One Truth

            Ok Roger. We have one of three scenarios here.

            1) your high on drugs.

            2) your mentally ill

            3) you simply love to argue, no matter right or wrong, you live your life for the argument.

            I wish that I could help you, but I cannot. The only one who could help you is the one that you continue to deny and reject.

          • Roger Peritone

            So you have nothing but insults in response. If you were truly right, you would be able to show it.

            Thanks. As I said once before: If your god exists, then have HIM or HER show me this “truth”. You can’t even get right what your own holy b book says, as I pointed out in my last comment to you.

          • One Truth

            “So you have nothing but insults in response.”

            No insults, it is simply a diagnosis.

            “If you were truly right, you would be able to show it.”

            I did.

            “Thanks. As I said once before: If your god exists, then have HIM or HER show me this “truth”.”

            He would if your heart was not hardened against Him……. Acts 7:51.

          • Roger Peritone

            All you did was show that you didn’t read 1 Samuel 16, verses 2 to 3. Or you can’t understand it.

            Or maybe you’re on drugs, or you’re mentally ill (after all, you believe in invisible sky beings!), or you just love to argue.

          • Roger Peritone

            You are the one who can’t seem to figure out what your own holy book says. You said that those verses did NOT say that “god” told Samuel to say anything. I quoted those verses which showed that they did.

            Maybe you’re the one who needs to up his meds a bit, eh? Or is that the “holy spirit” inspiring you to such clumsy apologetics?

          • One Truth

            “You said that those verses did NOT say that “god” told Samuel to say anything.”

            ????

          • Roger Peritone

            You:
            “2) GOD ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH did not tell Samuel to tell
            Saul ANYTHING about a sacrifice. He simply told Samuel to go and make a
            sacrifice and anoint David as King…..1 Samuel 16:1-3.”

            1 Samuel 16: verse 2-3:
            “2 But Samuel said, ‘How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me.’
            The
            Lord said, ‘Take a heifer with you and say, “I have come to sacrifice
            to the Lord.” 3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what
            to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.’ ”

            Let me know how that English as a Second Language course is going.

          • One Truth

            Yep. You posted the verses. That is what Gods word says. So what is your point?

            You still have failed to provide a lie told by God and you still have failed to show where Samuel told Saul about a sacrifice. Do you know why yet? Because neither is there. You are delusional.

            God told Samuel to go to Bethlehem, find Jesse, make a sacrifice, and he did. No Lie.

            Samuel went to Bethlehem, the elders of the city came out trembling and asked..”do you come in peace?”, Samuel said yes. Samuel told the elders to consecrate themselves and he himself consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them all to the sacrifice. Samuel eventually goes through Jesse’s sons and says that Gods anointed is not here and asked if Jesse had any more sons. David was brought forth and anointed.

            So……Where was Saul in all of this? He was not there. Samuel never approached him or told him anything. God Himself did not send Samuel to go to Saul and tell him anything else since the incident in chapter 15:10-35. Oh, I guess that you forgot to read vs’. 34 & 35 of chapter 15 where Gods word states CLEARLY that Samuel never saw Saul again until the day of his death.

            So, Saul was not there. He was at his house in Gibeah of Saul, being terrorized by demonic oppression….chapter 16 vs.14.

            Take a deep breath and relax Roger. Move on already.

          • Roger Peritone

            Which god? Still waiting for you to provide evidence for any.

          • One Truth

            You already have it. Your conscience. Or whats left of it. Romans 1:18-21

            I would worry more about your current failing situation than trying to prove that your Creator is some made up lie.

          • Roger Peritone

            Do you seriously think that the same god who advocates deception as shown in 1 Samuel 16:1-5, the same god who orders the deaths of babies and pregnant women in the bible, the same god who, instead of outlawing slavery, gives rules on how it should be run, is the SAME god who gives people a conscience??

            Nice circular reasoning there, by the way: Using the bible to “prove” your god, while assuming that your “god” is the one who wrote the bible.

          • One Truth

            I’m done with your childish arrogance and ignorance. Your nonsense has now become an absolute waste of time.

          • Roger Peritone

            From what I can tell, that seems to be the opinion of the other people here towards you, as I seem to be the only one dealing with you now.

          • Roger Peritone

            “One Truth”. Intersting that you picked that name. Check out John 17:20-23. Look at what jesus said there. Would you say that xianity has had the “complete unity” that jesus himself allegedly prayed for?

            Too bad, as that’s what he said would let people know that he sent them!

          • One Truth

            ” “One Truth”. Intersting that you picked that name. Check out John
            17:20-23. Look at what jesus said there. Would you say that xianity
            has had the “complete unity” that jesus himself allegedly prayed for?
            Too bad, as that’s what he said would let people know that he sent them!”

            No, its too bad that you are blind and have no faith in Jesus Christ.

            For those of us who DO believe and have been ‘Born Again’ by the Holy Spirit of God, yes…we have received complete peace and unity with God even now while on earth. And when we leave this world, we then will receive our glorified bodies…..( 1 Corinthians 15:35-58 ) and join our Lord in Heaven.

          • Roger Peritone

            Transparent dodge. Where is the unity in the church? If his believers have this “unity with god” then why is there so many differenct sects and denominations? Why was there so many violent intra-christian clashes in your history?

            It’s like you’re not even trying with this one.

          • One Truth

            “Transparent dodge.”

            Yep, that’s what all unbelievers assume.

            “Where is the unity in the church? If his believers have this “unity
            with god” then why is there so many differenct sects and denominations? Why was there so many violent intra-christian clashes in your history?”

            Well sir, you are confusing world churches with THE CHURCH. The true church body. Only ‘Born Again’ Christians who have truly repented of their sins and received the Holy Spirit, make up this Spiritual Church Body.

            Religion and church denominations is a concoction of man through deception of satan. Think about it. Division and confusion.

            Jesus Christ Himself made it very clear….”Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.” ( Matthew 12:25 ). Religion / Denominations / Political Parties / Racism….etc = Division of all mankind which will lead him away from God and His love.

            Therefore you only have One Truth concerning One God. But many will not accept this.

            “It’s like you’re not even trying with this one.”

            1 Corinthians 2:1-14

          • Roger Peritone

            Yeah. Any kingdom divided against itself. Like the xian “church”. There is no “THE CHURCH”. Even so-called “born again” christians belong to different denominations and sects within the “church body”.

            “Deception of satan”? So what? Why can’t your god straighten you people out? Why did god allow satan to go running around and decieving people in the first place?

            Why not have just imprisoned him and the other fallen angels in hell right after they sinned instead of giving them free reign over the earth, where god was planning to place humans?

            Kind of stupid for a being who wants everyone to be saved, doesn’t it? Especiallly since he’s supposed to be prescient.

            1 Corinthians 2:1-14
            “Proclaiming christ crucified” as the “one truth”? What about the resurrection?
            http://www.explorefaith.org/christ.html

            It seems that at least some christians take that to be a metaphor.

            You just say that any division is “of the devil” while not realizing that any division at all refutes the bible’s claim that you people should have no division.

          • One Truth

            Seeing where your mind is stuck,as well as the stubbornness of your ways, it would be a waste of time to converse with you any further.

            You are a typical anti-christ and that leaves you stuck in spiritual ignorance with no way of understanding anything pertaining to Gods word or His ways.

            Good day.

          • Roger Peritone

            My mind is not the one that’s “stuck”. I am giving you questions that you cannot answer. And you know it. You can only answer with circular reasoning, as your last comment shows.

            Good grief. I used to BE a christian for 20 years! Yet you say that I have “spiritural ignorance”? Arrogant fool. If anyone has “ignorance” it’s the person who can’t answer the questions, yet still pretends to have the answers as you are doing.

          • One Truth

            “My mind is not the one that’s “stuck”. I am giving you questions that you cannot answer. And you know it.”

            I have answered your questions in full detail. You simply cannot see…..1 Corinthians 2:12-14.

            “Good grief. I used to BE a christian for 20 years! Yet you say that I have “spiritural ignorance”?”

            1 John 2:15-19………To your peril you have left and went astray.

            “Arrogant fool. If anyone has “ignorance” it’s the person who can’t
            answer the questions, yet still pretends to have the answers as you are doing.”

            I have answered, yet you are blind and dead in sin. You cannot blame me for your ignorance and blindness. It is you who rejects the Truth concerning Jesus Christ and His Majesty and Saving Power.

          • Roger Peritone

            “Answered my questions in full detail?”

            Liar.
            Then explain why there is no mention or implication of the so-called
            “transfiguration” and “second coming” being different events seperated
            by a long period of time, between 27 and 28 of verses Matthew 16:24-28.

            1 Corinthians 2:12-14 Right. Posting a verse that basically advocates circular reasoning? Oh yeah. That’ll answer everything!

          • One Truth

            It explains why you are spiritually blind to anything concerning biblical truths.

            Get over it already and just move along.

          • Roger Peritone

            Thanks for admitting that your bible, and therefore yourself, can only find evidence for your beliefs by using circular reasoning.

          • One Truth

            Thanks for being a perfect example of those who have had Gods wisdom hidden from them for the simple fact of rejecting Jesus Christ for salvation.

          • Roger Peritone

            Don’t you realize that if “god” hadn’t hidden his “wisdom”, we’d have maybe some actual evidence for his existence, and then people wouldn’t “reject” christ in the first place?

            You’ve gotten this all backwards.

          • Spirit Plumber

            As a matter of fact, here, I wrote you a story 🙂

            http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/Tripocalypse.QED.html

          • Comments that you’ve said like: “It is your choice to believe the enemy if you so choose” and in response to “[You’re] shitting on other peoples cultures” you say: “What….Telling the truth?”

            Both of those are excuses. You’re excusing yourself for being too lazy to take time to speak to people in a kind and loving way. You’re too irresponsible to own the fact that you don’t know how to speak other peoples language (not their native tongue, but in language they understand).

            Jesus spoke to people in their language, he spoke to people with love and care – with the exception of those religious who thought they had it all together. Seems to me like you would fall into that category.

            So if you think you are somehow better than Jesus, or KNOW better. Please, keep on talking that way. But if you call yourself a Christian – change your tone and your attitude. Get off your high horse, and repent of that arrogance.

          • One Truth

            “Comments that you’ve said like: “It is your choice to believe the
            enemy if you so choose” and in response to “[You’re] shitting on other peoples cultures” you say: “What….Telling the truth?”

            Both of those are excuses. You’re excusing yourself for being too lazy to take time to speak to people in a kind and loving way. You’re too irresponsible to own the fact that you don’t know how to speak other peoples language (not their native tongue, but in language they understand).”

            As I have said before , I will say again. Your kind NEVER, and I mean NEVER, scold your own for talking trash and speaking harshly against the Christian faith. I see right through your one sided accusations and so they will go in one ear and out the other because it is simply hypocrisy from another anti Christian.

            “Jesus spoke to people in their language, he spoke to people with love and care – with the exception of those religious who thought they had it all together. Seems to me like you would fall into that category.So if you think you are somehow better than Jesus, or KNOW better. Please, keep on talking that way. But if you call yourself a Christian -change your tone and your attitude. Get off your high horse, and repent of that arrogance.”

            You obviously have not read the bible very much nor understood what you’ve read. Besides, you are just another who is worried about coddling someones feelings rather than telling them the truth.

          • @disqus_9aO2M4R9TL:disqus, Jesus doesn’t take time to rebuke people who don’t profess the same values – but he rebukes those who do. This is the same with Paul. Read the epistles. Read acts with rebukes within the disciples. I challenge you to find me some good contextual rebukes of people who are not religious. When Simon Peter goes to defend his lord with a sword, what does Jesus say?

            It’s not our job to change peoples minds, but we are meant to minister through our deeds and to disciple others. You aren’t doing either of those. Ministry and discipleship are both done in the context of relationship. You don’t have any positive relationship with these people. My guess is you find relationships much harder so you convince yourself you can preach on the internet instead doing discipleship and sacrificial outreach.

            Christians are meant to rebuke their own, not rebuke people who don’t understand or believe what they believe. It would probably do you some good by reading your bible, without expecting you “know it all”. Please have a read of romans 12. You have so much anger and hate, I’m not sure how you feel you’re in communion with a God of love and sacrifice who values meekness. What is your sacrifice?

          • @disqus_9aO2M4R9TL:disqus I’m not completely convinced you’re a real person with these beliefs, but if you are: please meditate on the love that God showed for us, and change your life.

          • One Truth

            “I’m not completely convinced you’re a real person with these beliefs”

            I have no intentions of personally convincing you of anything concerning me. God gets ALL the glory. My only glory is in Him.

            I included certain scripture for a reason. James 1:5-8.

            Isaiah 66:2. Read and understand what this says, and then read James 1:5-8 again. Pray before you read, asking God to open your eye’s. I have already prayed for you regarding this.

            I am just a messenger. Do not believe me so as to believe Me, believe the message because it is truth and truth which leads to Eternal Salvation. God will reveal it to your heart if you will faithfully ask. Trust Him.

            “please meditate on the love that God showed for us, and change your life”

            The truth hurts, which is exactly what it is meant to do. This is precisely what leads the unsaved to repentance, if they will believe. Therefore, I will not change. That would mean that I would have to tell people what they want to hear instead of telling them the truth.

            Did you not read what Jesus said in John 7:7, which I posted to you earlier ?

            Do you understand yet what the Gospel message ( the words of Christ ) are meant to do in a sin filled world? The sinner must repent and change, not the messengers of truth who relay it in all accuracy.

          • One Truth

            “Jesus doesn’t take time to rebuke people who don’t profess the same values”

            Exactly….So tell your non-believing friends to ignore my posts. You see, I simply address the blasphemous lies being told through these ‘supposed Christian blogs’ that are blasting against True Christianity, for the sake of the innocent readers that stumble on here looking for answers concerning Gods truth.

            “It’s not our job to change peoples minds”

            I never said it was, read my above post again, and again.

            ” but we are meant to minister through our deeds and to disciple others.”

            “You and I are definitely not on the same team so your opinion is void to me.”

            “You aren’t doing either of those.”

            Because I do it in Truth, you do not agree. Read Gods word and you will see what Jesus actually says about your kind…..

            John 7:7

            John 15:18-25

            Matthew 13:10-17

            “You don’t have any positive relationship with these people.”

            Maybe, just maybe, you have it backwards 😉

            “Christians are meant to rebuke their own, not rebuke people who don’t understand or believe what they believe.”

            Really?????

            Matthew 23……Not Christians.

            John 8:41-45……Not Christians

            Acts 7:51-53…..Not Christians

            Acts 8:17-24…..Not a Christian

            Acts 13:4-12…Not a Christian

            Acts 13:44-46….Not Christians

            Yet, how many may have come to believe after hearing and witnessing these accounts. Again, you are angry because you simply CANNOT STAND to listen to the truth being told in my posts, so you yourself attack me the same way that you SAY I am attacking others. Yet one of us speaks truth out of true concern and love for the lost.

            “You have so much anger and hate”

            Another flawed opinion of yours. I hate no one.

            “What is your sacrifice?”

            Dealing with angry people like you is just one of many.

          • I’m very sorry you feel that way. You misunderstood my rebuke their own, after all there are no Christians when Jesus is around. Even in Acts everyone is still separated to Jew and Gentile. There are two instances where someone not wholly Jewish is rebuked.

            First Simon the magician, you’ll notice that he was in a way being following and being taught by the disciples at this point! He’s not really an random outsider is he?

            The second, is a more interesting story. A few points, first Jewish sorcerer. Jewish. But lets say that isn’t so, it also talks about this jewish person who is in league with another person claiming to be a false prophet.

            So here are my leading questions, what is a false prophet in this circumstance?
            When I said that they don’t rebuke people that don’t have the same values, based on the verses you quoted – what are the ways that you would say I was right?
            And what are the circumstances where you would say I was wrong.

            Please put a decent effort into these questions, at least I’ll feel like you put thought into them instead of just being so certain you are right in everything that you don’t even truly listen.

          • One Truth

            “after all there are no Christians when Jesus is around.”

            Wrong.

            John 9:35-41 The one who believed and worshiped Jesus is the Christian, those Pharisees were not, because they did not believe that Jesus was the ‘Son of Man’.

            Luke 23:38-43 The one thief believed in Christ and became a Christian and was promised eternal life right then and there, the other did not believe and died in his sins.

            “Even in Acts everyone is still separated to Jew and Gentile.”

            “Wrong again. Acts 10:9-20 Have you not read Gods word? Do you not understand the dream that Peter had to receive so that the Lord could finally get His point across to Peter. A point that Peter should have learned long ago?

            Matthew 8:5-13…..A Gentile.

            Matthew 15:21-28….A Gentile

            Matthew 28:18-20…..Make Disciples of ALL Nations.

            “First Simon the magician, you’ll notice that he was in a way being
            following and being taught by the disciples at this point! He’s not
            really an random outsider is he?”

            Sure he was, because he still did not get it yet.

            “The second, is a more interesting story. A few points, first Jewish
            sorcerer. Jewish. But lets say that isn’t so, it also talks about this
            jewish person who is in league with another person claiming to be a
            false prophet”

            I did not say that he was not Jewish, I said “Not a Christian”.

            “So here are my leading questions, what is a false prophet in this circumstance?”

            One who claims to speak words from God or another god, but is not and has not been anointed by God to speak and is not speaking truth on Gods behalf. Read vs.8 again.

            “Please put a decent effort into these questions, at least I’ll feel like
            you put thought into them instead of just being so certain you are
            right in everything that you don’t even truly listen.”

            Friend, I have put forth a straightforward answer to you questions and have done so with great simplicity. Though I would love to see you come to an understanding of Gods truth ( which is why I am engaging conversation with you ), I am certainly not going to get upset if you choose not to believe. And I am right when it comes to what I speak concerning Gods word, for I have allowed myself to be taught by God, through His word, via the Holy Spirit …….

            John 8:31-32

            John 7:37-39

            John 14:12-17

            John 17:13-26

            James 1:5-8

            1 John 2:25-29

            Again, The Lord teaches His children, all others will never understand until they have believed on the mighty name of Jesus Christ and been born again by the Holy Spirit…….

            1 Corinthians 1:17-31

            Stop resisting the holy Spirit and believe.

    • Spirit Plumber

      Hail Ahura Mazda! (He was there quite a bit before Yahweh).

      • One Truth

        If you say so.

  • One Truth

    Did you read the news this morning? Did you read WHO, did WHAT at a
    local gay bar in Florida in the name of WHO during WHAT religious
    holiday?

    Yep…..those White Christians are at it again aren’t they?

    • Iphigenia

      I hope someone rubs it in your face the next time a Christian shoots up an abortion clinic.

      • One Truth

        “I hope someone rubs it in your face the next time….”

        #1) In no way am I trying to rub anything in anyone’s face. I am simply pointing out the gross hypocrisy of, not only the statements in this biased article, but also the sentiment of these so-called Christian blogs in general, which do nothing but continually attack the true Christian faith and Gods Holy Word. Everyone elses actions in the world seem to go unnoticed.

        “a Christian shoots up an abortion clinic.”

        #2) Its never happened. A true, Born Again Christian, would not shoot up anything or anyone. Many claim to be Christians and are not and that should not be surprising to anyone. I read their posts here all the time, as well as hear it through the White racist community, the Black racist community, the Hispanic racist community, Government officials, false teachers in churches and cults and so on and so on.

        Yet, many throw the baby out with the bathwater.

        Another example of unsaved Christians posing as such. So called Christians standing in the faces of others, yelling and shouting with absolute hatred and contempt that God hates them because of this or that and that they are all going straight to Hell. Though eternal punishment is real and will many times be used in a conversation as the only alternative to those who are flat out rejecting Jesus Christ for eternal salvation, it is always done as a last resort and with love and concern for that individuals soul.

        • RustySkywater

          What about Robert Dear?

          (Oh wait, are you going to say that he wasn’t a REEEAAAL Christian?)

          • One Truth

            What are you, 19?

            Did you personally know Robert Dear?

            Why do you feel the need to ‘insist’ the He was a Christian? Simply out of your hatred and disdain for God and His true children, or because you think that you have some kind of psychic ability to see into ones soul?

          • RustySkywater

            Because he has been baptized and professes faith in Jesus.

            Of course he doesn’t like a Christ-like lifestyle, that’s not in dispute. I’d go so far as to say he’s a lousy Christian. But he is still by affiliation a Christian.

            And it’s beside the matter, but it’s highly insulting of you to falsely claim that I have disdain for God.

          • One Truth

            “Because he has been baptized and professes faith in Jesus.”

            Water Baptism does not save and mean that a person that has been baptized is necessarily saved. That is why infant baptism in the Catholic religion is simply a religious hoop that means absolutely nothing.

            “But he is still by affiliation a Christian.”

            By affiliation? My goodness, you must be a naive 19 year old. That is simply idiotic and juvenile.

            “And it’s beside the matter, but it’s highly insulting of you to falsely claim that I have disdain for God.”

            The emphasis in your first post says it all. I mean, as if a real Christian would do such a thing. Secondly, your defending of the worship of false gods and the religions that commit such acts was another clue.

            Lost people need to hear the truth, not be coddled.

        • Iphigenia

          1) It’s not hypocritical to focus on our own religion’s flaws instead of criticizing the flaws of others. Jesus didn’t preach against the cruelties and excesses of the Roman Empire (though He could have, it’s not like He lacked examples), He preached against his fellow Jews’ failure to commit to justice. We need get the plank out of our collective eye before we can focus on getting stuff out of other religions’ eye.

          2. I kinda figured you would use the No True Scotsman fallacy. (Google it!) Tell me, if a Muslim came here and posted about how terrorists are No True Muslims because jihad is actually all about the inner struggle to be a virtuous person and not killing random people, would you accept his reasoning? If not, then why should I accept yours?

          • One Truth

            “Jesus didn’t preach against the cruelties and excesses of the Roman
            Empire (though He could have, it’s not like He lacked examples)”

            Your right. His first agenda was to gather the twelve and begin discipling them, as well as to begin teaching all who would listen as well. The Romans did not come and try and debate Jesus, though many of them came and asked for healing. The Jewish leaders and teachers of the Law on the other hand were constantly trying to detour Him and prove Him wrong, and He Rebuked them….Mathew 23.

            His first task was to deal with Israel….Matthew 10:5-7. Upon Him leaving the Disciples to do what He Himself had discipled them to do, He sent them out into the World to continue making disciples of other believers and spreading the Gospel to ALL creation…..Mathew 28:18-20.

            “He preached against his fellow Jews’ failure to commit to justice.”

            No, you just pulled one splinter off of the board. They rejected Him as the Messiah, showing that they truly did not love God as they would proclaim.

            “We need get the plank out of our collective eye before we can focus on getting stuff out of other religions’ eye.”

            You cannot take true Christians who are already doing the work of evangelism, and clump them in with disobedient Christians or non saved persons claiming to be Christians, calling it a “collective eye”.

            You make that statement because you are blind to the work that Gods people are actually doing and you do not wish to see it.

            “I kinda figured you would use the No True Scotsman fallacy. (Google it!)”

            Yeah, Ive been accused of that before. So what. You know what I mean and do not act like you dont. Jesus Christ said…”Watch out for wolves in sheep’s clothing. You will know them by their fruits.” Get it? Got it? Good.

            “Tell me, if a Muslim came here and posted about how terrorists are No True Muslims because jihad is actually all about the inner struggle to be a virtuous person and not killing random people, would you accept his
            reasoning? If not, then why should I accept yours?”

            Because I am speaking on behalf of the One True God. Not a religion. I guess you missed that comment earlier.

          • Iphigenia

            You’re conflating witness with actually doing God’s work. Remember the parable of the Sheep and the Goats? The Sheep get their place in Heaven because they cared for Jesus’s physical (not spiritual) needs in the guise of the poor and downtrodden, the Goats don’t because they didn’t do that. No mention of witness at all. I dare say it’s the williness to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and care for the sick that makes someone a True Christian, not the act of witnessing! So I guess you are No True Christian!

            You can’t argue with that! I’m speaking on God’s behalf! 😛

          • One Truth

            “You’re conflating witness with actually doing God’s work.”

            Strike two against you. They are one in the same. You cannot witness without doing Gods work and you cannot do Gods work without witnessing.

            “Remember the parable of the Sheep and the Goats? The Sheep get their place in Heaven because they cared for Jesus’s physical (not spiritual) needs in the guise of the poor and downtrodden, the Goats don’t because they didn’t do that. No mention of witness at all.”

            You have absolutely no idea what that scripture is saying while you are dead set on your opinion of what you think it says. I wont even bother.

            “I dare say it’s the williness to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and care for the sick that makes someone a True Christian, not the act of witnessing! So I guess you are No True Christian!”

            Thats 100% works religion. You would make an absolute perfect Catholic. Though you would end up being a goat in the end because you did not receive eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, so as to be saved.

            Your little world is wrapped up in what kind of a hero you think that you can be, by trying to save the world, instead of resting on the complete work that Christ did on the cross for the whole world and sharing that gospel with the lost, while feeding and clothing them at the same time, in the name of Jesus Christ, instead of in the name of self..

            “You can’t argue with that! I’m speaking on God’s behalf! :P”

            Funny.

          • Iphigenia

            I’m actually both a faith-and-works-righteousness person – it’s because of my faith in Christ that I want to do good works. God’s image is in everybody, including people like Omar Mateen and Robert Dear (and you!), so I try my best to love them. I don’t always succeed – as you’ve seen, my first instinct when someone preaches hate towards their fellow man is to be snarky and dismissive instead of kind and calm. (I apologize for that, by the way. I give thanks to God that He helped me recognize that I was being an ass.) I’m also more of a slacktivist than an actual good worker. Those are both things that I’m trying to improve on. I’m also trying to read my Bible more, be more regular in my church attendance, and talk to my non-Christian friends about my relationship with God. I’m trying to grow as a Mary as well as as a Martha. But you don’t seem interested in being a Martha, in fact you seem to think that Martha is a terrible person, and I just can’t agree with that.

            To my mind, refusing to be a Martha so you can focus on being a Mary (or refusing to be a Mary so you can focus on being a Martha) is like excercizing while only eating junk food. You have to both eat well and exercise in order to grow strong in the body, and I’m trying to let my faith inspire me to good works and compassion so I can grow strong in the Spirit. I wish we could all do the same!

          • One Truth

            “I’m actually both a faith-and-works-righteousness person – it’s because of my faith in Christ that I want to do good works”

            Thats fine and good if your faith is 100% devoted to Jesus Christ and His word, ALL OF IT, and you practice it and share it as He commanded.

            “God’s image is in everybody, including people like Omar Mateen and Robert Dear”

            Strike three. We where created in Gods image in the beginning. Then Adam and Eve sinned. Now, though still created in Gods image, we are marred in sin and spiritually dead. John 8:42-45…Jesus’ own words to the wicked and unbelieving.

            “my first instinct when someone preaches hate towards their fellow man is to be snarky and dismissive instead of kind and calm.”

            Yea, I do not like when people are hateful either. That makes two of us.

            “I’m also more of a slacktivist than an actual good worker. Those are both things that I’m trying to improve on. I’m also trying to read my Bible more, be more regular in my church attendance, and talk to my non-Christian friends about my relationship with God.”

            This is good. So you are learning to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with others?

            ” I’m trying to grow as a Mary as well as as a Martha. But you don’t seem interested in being a Martha, in fact you seem to think that Martha is a terrible person, and I just can’t agree with that.”

            Who said that? And please do not attempt to put Martha in the same category as the Idolatrous world of religious people who go after false gods and pagan idols. Martha believed in Jesus Christ as the Messiah ( John 11:20-27), she simply had lost her focus on Jesus at the moment by trying to show off her works a little while Mary was giving Jesus the true worship that He deserved ( Luke 10:38-42 ). Young Christians can all temporarily do that from time to time. That is why it is important to study Gods word and know just what it means to be a disciple of Jesus Christ.

            “I’m trying to let my faith inspire me to good works and compassion so I can grow strong in the Spirit.”

            The day one repents of their sins, accepts Jesus Christ as their personal and is Born Again by the Holy Spirit of God, Jesus Christ will Himself inspire you from within and your works and compassion will be genuine just as Christ intends.

            Please Give yourself over to Jesus Christ and spend the next year praying for Godly wisdom and understanding ( James 1:5 ) and studying Gods word, then come talk to me. We will have a much more fruitful conversation then.

          • Iphigenia

            That’s what I’m trying to do, man. I hope you will, too. God’s peace

          • One Truth

            “That’s what I’m trying to do, man. I hope you will, too. God’s peace”

            I already have my friend. These words are not mine, but come from the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ loves you. He went to the cross for you. Trust in Him alone, for He and the Father are one and it is through Jesus Christ that we worship God…John 5:18-47

          • Iphigenia

            Dude, you’re not gonna talk me into violating the Greatest Commandment, and I guess I’m not gonna talk you into keeping it. We should both move on to greener pastures.

            E: Everybody, don’t forget to donate to the Pulse shooting victims on GoFundMe.com!

            https://www.gofundme.com/pulsevictimsfund

          • One Truth

            “Dude, you’re not gonna talk me into violating the Greatest Commandment”

            Did I try and do that? No.

          • Iphigenia

            You want me to dismiss other people because they don’t share my faith, right? That doesn’t sound very loving or neighborly.

            E: I just gave ten bucks to the fund. Will you match my donation, or would that just prove that you’re not resting on your faith? 😉

          • One Truth

            “Dude, you’re not gonna talk me into violating the Greatest Commandment”

            You want me to dismiss other people because they don’t share my faith, right? That doesn’t sound very loving or neighborly.”

            So….you are going to violate the greatest commandment on your own…. ( Exodus 20:1-7 & Matthew 22:36-38 ) . Do not blame me for your sins against the ALMIGHTY.

          • Iphigenia

            I’m not following your logic. Sorry! Good night!

          • One Truth

            The greatest Commandment is for ALL of creation to worship the ONE, TRUE GOD. Creator of ALL.

          • Spirit Plumber

            Bit of a self centered God you worship.

          • One Truth

            You can tell Him that as you fall flat on your face on Judgement Day.

          • Spirit Plumber

            Don’t worry. If it ends up being a wrestling match, I’ll stick to legal moves.

          • Spirit Plumber

            Here’s roughly how it would go. Don’t forget, being on your knees is a very powerful position.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1q3058TTqI&feature=youtu.be&t=1m12s

          • One Truth

            My money goes to the furtherance of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not aiding in the works of the devil, or the results of what has happened to those who follow him.

          • Spirit Plumber

            You do understand that if any God, yours or someone else’s, were to show up on this earth with hostile intent, we would go to war and probably win, right?

          • One Truth

            “You do understand that if any God, yours or someone else’s, were to show up on this earth with hostile intent, we would go to war and probably
            win, right?”

            Ummm, No, I do not. How do you figure….Mathematically?

          • Spirit Plumber

            http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheSalvationWar Here. This story was written by someone who has spent his entire career working with nuclear weapons.

          • One Truth

            I suggest that you read the Book of Revelation. It was authored by the Creator of the Universe and ALL that it contains.

            I think He has a plan.

          • Spirit Plumber

            I have. That’s even easier to defeat. Trivial, even.

            Apparently, TurboJesus is supposed to show up in an area maybe 100 square meters in size, after giving plenty of advance warning.

            “And lo, Jesus was verily blown to protons by a series of moderately cleverly placed nuclear mines; for the sensor network driving them was simple, and did have many redundant nodes. And Humanity reigned on Earth forever and ever, or at least until the Sun became a red giant, by which time we’d already colonized half the galaxy.”

            What’s that? Want to play hard mode? Okay, no nukes allowed, then!

            Here you go: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/Tripocalypse.ThePlan.html

          • One Truth

            Have fun with your drugs.

          • Spirit Plumber

            I’m high on life 🙂 Seriously, I’m straightedge and have taken (and fulfilled) a vow of hospitality. Read Matthew 25:34 and onwards.

  • Iphigenia

    Posting again so it won’t get buried: please donate to the Pulse victim’s fund. Your money will do a lot of good. Every dollar helps!

    https://www.gofundme.com/pulsevictimsfund

  • cipher

    I think it’s shameful that a piece of garbage like “One Truth” is tolerated out of some sort of sophomoric devotion to free speech.