Tim Tebow – Full of Crap?

I have a terrible habit of writing about atheists. Every time I indulge it, the main response I get from my atheist/nontheist/bright/agnostic/agnostic-atheist/post-Christian/secular humanist brothers and sisters is not any rebuttal of argument — that would just be crude — but the complaint “these aren’t real atheists. Real atheists are much kinder, less judgmental etc. etc. You’re attacking a strawman.”

All things considered, I freely admit the complaint may be valid. But the sad reality is that I am limited in my criticism — I can only respond to how atheists act in the public sphere. What else can I comment on except what I am exposed to? If there is an atheist thinking peaceful thoughts on his porch, great, but unless he informs me of the fact, I remain ignorant of the real atheists. I remain frightfully aware, however, of the apparently fake atheists, who seem to be those speaking for all the atheist organizations. Funny how that happens.

So you’ll forgive me, I hope, while I take a look at American Atheists recent claim that Tim Tebow is “full of crap.” If you have a striking example of an atheistic statement made in the public sphere to counterbalance this bitterness, please share.

Of course the Tebow-hating isn’t anything new. There was a great situation a while back, when Bill Maher was all like:

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And then on Sunday Tebow was all like:

So then:

And I’m thinking: I’m homeschooling every single child that has the disaster of being mine, and when they turn out to make millions, I’ll be well taken care of, and Bill Maher — in all likelihood — will be dead.

But back to the point. American Atheists main-man, David Silverman, says that Tebow’s repeated references to God in his post-game comments is “bad for football…(Religion) injects the divisive force into football.”

Oh yes, terrible for football David. The Broncos-Steelers game was the most watched Wild Card game ever. Football in its very nature must be suffering. Why? Because there has been a divisive force introduced into the game. As we all know, this is utterly unheard of.

Football was all about getting along until that divisive Tebow came along, damn him. I can’t help but wonder if what Silverman is trying to say is that watching Tebow pray makes him uncomfortable. Which is fine, because Silverman taking the time to whine about that makes me uncomfortable. So everyone’s even.

Ah, but there are reasons! “It’s not that Tebow prays, it’s that he waits for the cameras to be on him to do it…He’s totally faking.”Totally, man.

Alright, I’m gonna go ahead and clear something up for Silverman, who I’m beginning to suspect has never seen a football game. The cameras are always on Tebow. This is because a) everyone loves him b) HE’S THE QUARTERBACK and c) the children of America are wearing his merch:

And not yours.

Oh yes. He’s poisoning the innocent ones. If the insinuation is that Tebow’s waiting “for the cameras to be on him” means that he only prays on television and never in private, then I applaud Silverman for his incredible Tim-stalking abilities. Otherwise I remain totally clueless as to how Silverman is sure that Tebow is “totally faking.”

But Silverman has Tebow’s crappiness on the highest authority. That’s right ladies and gentlemen, it’s time for your daily dose of Hey Look An Atheist Quotes Scripture!

Silverman: “It is not surprising Tebow ignores Matthew 6:5 in which Jesus says, ‘When you pray, do not pray like the hypocrites in the street…They pray to be seen praying. Pray in the closet.” Right, that’s what Christ said. Pray in the closet.

Not to be all Catholic, but stop with your fundamentalist interpretations of Scripture. Why was Christ angry at the hypocrites for praying in the streets? Was it because public prayer is inherently wrong? No, because there’s that whole “Let your light shine before all men” bit that needs taking into account. The key word here is hypocrites. The problem isn’t that they’re praying in the street, it’s that they’re only praying in the street. The problem is that everyone liked them for praying in the streets, that everyone thought they were holy for doing so.

As American Atheists make astonishingly clear, Tebow is not universally liked for his public prayer. He’s not being a hypocrite, he’s representing. And America is listening.

Till next time.

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  • http://twitter.com/espressobean21 Sarah Martinez

    Tebow infuriated me when he lost to the Bills and the Chiefs the other week and I almost lost all faith in his playing (and may again).

    But I think he’s an awesome dude. And I love the drama he’s adding to football now. It’s not like the drama college football had because of Sandusky, it’s not the drama the NBA had because of Kobe Bryant. It’s drama because something GOOD is happening. And I suspect even people who hate him know, deep down, that they’re the villains in this story.

    Tebow gives people hope, and gives kids a genuinely good role model in professional sport that arguably, they haven’t had in a long time. I’m proud to be a Colorado native and lifelong Denver fan.

  • BadWolf

    Actually, what Jesus was trying to say WAS don’t pray in public because it will lead to hypocrisy. Furthermore, I take objection to the view that listening to Jesus’s teachings and actually practicing them makes someone a “fundamentalist”. When I think of a fundamentalist taking things too literally I think of a person who takes the entire Bible literally and doesn’t take a Christocentric view on all scripture. Who ignores or tries to cover up certain aspects of the Gospel but has no problem taking the entire Pentateuch literally. Basically like the 7th Day Adventists. They are the real Fundamentalists.

    • Mary Magdalene

      So, therefore you take John chapter 6 verse 51 to the end, and “actually practice” what Jesus clearly commands there? Is that so? You’re a flesh-eating, blood drinking, God-consuming Chritian, BadWolf? If so, bravo. A true Christian. If not, get a grip.

      Marc is correct here about the hypocrites praying in public. It’s not bad to pray in public. It’s only bad to be like the pharisees and flaunt your ‘holiness’ in the public square and then go home and scream at your wife and neglect your kids. I’m not a 7th Day Adventist, but you need to back off. I’m sure you wouldn’t like it if someone falsely bashed your faith. Jesus doesn’t want us hiding our love for Him all to ourselves, praying in our closets. He wants us out on the streets, proclaiming His holy name, praying with others and in front of others for the salvation of the world.

      Any say otherwise is a submission to the devil to keep your faith all to yourself, keeping the Truth and the Light from being shared, selfishly hoarding the Good News, and thus keeping the kingdom of God from growing as it ought.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=29702322 Justin Boulmay

        It’s also worth noting that the apostles continued to pray at the Temple after Pentecost. Apparently, they didn’t see the contradiction between their public prayers and Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 6.

        Just because public prayer can lead to hypocrisy doesn’t mean it will.

        • BadWolf

          Agreed. Praying in church, or in a synagogue, is probably more beneficial. Jesus prayed in the temple too.

      • Patrick Kim

        We must not ignore the possibility of being tempted to seeking self-glory in public prayer. I’m not saying that Tebow has definitely fallen into this trap, but the trap is out there, it’s real, and Tebow is a human like us. We ought to discern whether our public prayers are for God’s glory or for our own. And, it ought to be regarding our own prayers and not other’s, because we cannot discern what is in others’ hearts (only God can, and he will reward the faithful in secret according to Matthew 6).

        That said, we also cannot ignore the importance of a private prayer life (which I believe is what is talked about in Matthew 6). Jesus withdrew from crowds to pray ALONE to his Father. It was one of the marks of his humility. We must be humble before God and before others. To flaunt our faith is our way of boasting of our own works rather than boasting in the undeserved saving mercy of Christ alone. This is not to say I’m against praying in public with other brothers and sisters. I’ve prayed in public with brothers and sisters in the midst of adversity where I can seek no approval from people (only by God’s grace).

        • Owlafaye

          Nothing Fails Like Prayer

          I hand working does more than 1000 clasped in prayer.

          • enness

            Hmm, tell that to 40 Days for Life…I think they had some four or five hundred women change their minds, and many of them specifically cited that it was because “I thought of you out there praying for me.”

          • BadWolf

            Yes. That is the only way I would ever protest at an abortion clinic. Going to a clinic just to yell at young women isn’t a productive way to fight against abortion, and it definitely isn’t fun. Things like that should always be led by someone in the church though, not independently.

          • GoodWolf

            How many times have you been there and heard them yelling at young women? The people out there praying are trying to love these women and are usually very gentle and kind.

          • GoodWolf

            So, I realized that your comment may not have been sarcastic. Sorry about that

      • BadWolf

        There are some things Jesus says that, the gospel clearly states, should not be taken so literally. The parables for example. The exhortation not to pray for honor isn’t one of them. People who pray so all the attention can be on them already have their reward. Want to argue against that?

        Prayer should ideally be an ongoing private conversation between you and the Lord. Though if you think you can teach people about Christ by showing how great a relationship you have with him go ahead. Pray all your life.

        • Brokenmotif

          Pray for amputees…oh wait, gods aren’t powerful enough to heal them, or they just hate amputees.

          • James H

            As it happens, there was a case of an amputated limb growing back, in the 1800s some time. Can’t remember the details.

            So, have you ever tried it?

          • Lefty

            Um, yeah. You can’t remember the details because it didn’t happen. Amputated limbs don’t “grow back.” I speak from experience.

          • PC Geek

            They don’t normally grow back…but if it the case that a miracle did occur, that wouldn’t by definition by how things “normally go”, true?

            You are basically saying “It (the miracle) didn’t happen because miracles can’t happen.”

            Brilliant.

          • PC Geek

            Aka you are saying that the miracle (by definition something which happens contrary to what normally can happen) didn’t happen because that is not normally what happens.

            Face palm.

    • Jake

      “Actually, what Jesus was trying to say WAS don’t pray in public because it will lead to hypocrisy. ”

      Nice….taking that a little further….
      Eating leads to gluttony
      Speaking leads to lying
      Drinking leads to drunkenness….
      Therefor, let’s all be good little Christians and not eat, not speak and not drink for fear of falling into sin.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dean-Lagasse/823047936 Dean Lagasse

        pretty funny how it comes down to being “good little Christians” when that is something we strive to be, but because of sin, is pretty tough. Believers in Jesus strive to be like Him…….out of love for Him, not out of duty…….duty is more like obeying somebody’s laws because you have too…….that’s not relationship…….

      • BadWolf

        Did Jesus say any of those things? I don’t build my foundation by jumping to conclusions. It would, however, be reasonable to drink a little less, have a more civil tongue, and fast from time to time.

  • Amateur_Apologist_Tom

    Ahhhh Silverman, always full of class. For someone who repeatedly denies the authority and teachings of the Bible, he sure does use it like he believes what it contains is true. If I were an atheist (at least, one worthy of the title), I would make it a point to NOT use arguments from a book that I believe is utterly false.

    Full of wit and common sense as always, Marc. Keep it up!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Beach/100001073724516 Thomas Beach

    Marc,
    outstanding writing. Friend of mine posted this on my FB. The way you brought logic to this conversation is unmatched.

  • Lemon

    Just be grateful he is praying. I admire his outword sign of his faith, God knows his heart and ultimately we are warned against a lot of things, but God Alone judges our hearts, we can only, like Marc mentioned at the beginning this post, only know what we see, not what is hidden, Let’s pray for Tebow’s strength and conviction to God and for the impressionalbe people watching him. Amen

  • Douglas Naaden

    Nice article! Atheists really have it out for theists. It’s really kinda wierd how they have to have religion-bashing support groups. No such thin is needed for those who don’t believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. But at the end of the day, as you pointed out, their rhetoric is by-and-large merely an ad hominem diatribe against a straw man.

    • Owlafaye

      Its not religion bashing Doug, its Ignorance bashing.

      • Lisajulia

        What you perceive to be ignorance is based on opinion and your perception of what ignorance is. Doesn’t make it true.

    • Brokenmotif

      Belief in Santa Claus isn’t responsible for child genital mutilation, slavery, the continual spread of AIDS in Africa, teen birth rate, terrorism, among other horrible things.

      Nice comparison, you dolt.

      • James H

        “Belief in Santa Claus isn’t responsible for child genital mutilation, slavery, the continual spread of AIDS in Africa, teen birth rate, terrorism, among other horrible things.”

        Hey! Neither is Christianity! So we’ve got something in common then! Win!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rex-Shea/1126171168 Rex Shea

          Actually religion is responsible for all of those things right now in this world.

          Christianity in particular IS contributing to the spread of AIDS in the third world (see the pope’s stance on condoms) and the teen pregnancy rate in the US. The religious right’s insistence on withholding sexual education information and proper contraception from our teenagers IS raising the teen birth rate. Add in the religious opposition to abortion and you can see for yourself how Christianity is hurting progress in these areas.

          Sorry, but that is reality.

          • Lisajulia

            People with AIDS having sex with people who don’t have AIDS spreads AIDS. Teens having sex contributes to teen pregnancy. And there are whole groups dedicated to Atheists who oppose abortion. Placing blame on Catholicism for what ails the world is *not* reality.

          • Whatever123

            Christianity isn’t “contributing” to these things because Christianity supports abstinence.

          • PC Geek

            So let me get this straight – people having sex out of wedlock (aka disobeying the Church) means the Church is responsible for the effects of such actions?

            So police are responsible for the actions of criminals? I am glad you are not running this society.

            A-tardism is such a vicious mental disorder…truly sad…

  • Tess

    First, I really enjoy reading your blog as a whole. It took me 30 more years to have the same level of common sense and faith that you do. Young people like you and Tim Tebow are amazing and wonderful to watch. You walk your talk. I am keeping you both in my prayers that you continue to live your lives abundantly and faithfully.

    • Tammy Schmidt

      I want to ‘like’ this 20 times!
      Marc – I am very impressed by your ability to discern and write so well about our Catholic faith! And I thank you for doing so.

  • dl

    Where was Silverman when Reggie White was playing football? I mean, “The Minister of Defense” was an ordained minister, and he was never shy about his faith.

  • Cbowden

    Atheist here. I absolutely adore Tim Tebow. I have no problem with him (or anyone else) professing their faith. Tim really gets a pass though. I believe as a Christian he not only talks the talk but walks the walk. He lives his faith which is a precept of Christianity, correct? It’s not just lip service for him. No hypocrisy there – which is where so many Atheists have issues with ‘theists’.

    Peace.

    • Jake

      As a Christian, thank you for your comment. Which I think is funny coming from a self proclaimed atheist. Why do I say that? Well, Christians (this is my humble opinion based on observations) seem to fall into two major categories when it comes to Tebow.

      1. Disdain for Tebow which has it’s root in guilt. Because as you put it, “he not only talks the talk but walks the walk.” Something every Christian knows he/she should do but all too often, does not. We see in him something we wish we could be and or know we should be but for some reason, we are not…at least not at that level.

      2. Fear for Tebow – which loosely means fear for Christianity’s sake (image?) In that “it’s too good to be true” and “he’s gonna fall big time” thus giving a blow to Christianity in general. A lot of Christians – they wont admit this – but fear for Tebow. Having such a high profile walk and profession of faith, well, it’s just a matter of time before he stumbles and does so magnificently before the whole world.

      But the saving grace here for Tebow is that he isn’t out there telling people how they should live or what they can, cannot, should or should not do with their lives (judging). He is simply living out HIS relationship with Christ and what we are seeing is the fruit (results) of him doing just that.

      I’m not saying ALL Christians fall into one of these categories but most do. Again, based on my observations and conversations with people.

      Personally, I like Tebow even though he IS a mediocre quarterback. His passes look like lame ducks, he doesn’t see the whole field like he should, etc…but damn, if there was ever a person living out the “I can do all things in Christ” scripture, i’ts him. I LOVE how he just BELIEVES he is going to win every time he steps onto the field. His belief makes him great.

    • Marc Barnes

      You sir, are the man.

  • http://www.michael-carper.com/ Michael Carper

    This is so great. Don’t forget the atheists who criticize him for thanking God instead of the taking pride in himself and thanking his team.

  • http://spiritualworkoutblog.blogspot.com/ Liesl

    I don’t watch the NFL… ever. But I definitely watched the Broncos-Steelers game. And I’ve watched a few other Broncos games. Because I totally respect Tebow and how he is witnessing his faith. Hey – if anything, football fans, Tebow got me watching the NFL!

  • Owlafaye

    Of course Tebow is full of it…but then since he believes, he isn’t aware of it.

    His zombie friend-on-a-stick in the Sky doesn’t exist, never did and the IGNORANCE of it all is what atheists despise.

    The display irks us. Personally, I think Tebow will fade into near-obscurity, and soon.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dean-Lagasse/823047936 Dean Lagasse

      you know, that’s pretty much what they said about Jesus, if He was a phoney like some others before Him, then he would just fade into obscurity…….I guess that didn’t happen…….

      • Uoakari

        Because greedy, power-seeking individuals saw an opportunity to use Jesus’ image to control the weak minded. And you’re right, that /did/ happen. Same thing that’s happening with Tebow. His image sells. People are making bank off his victories.

        • JoAnna

          Oh yeah. That makes sense. Best. Conspiracy. Ever.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p9CY976_kw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

        • Beckyboll

          Ha,ha,ha,ha! Yeah I bet all those disciples got really rich while fabricating the story of Jesus. Particularly when they were being beheaded and crucified! Moron!

          • PC Geek

            @Uoakari – you, sir, are the official a-tard of the week. I can’t even believe you were serious there! How bloody ignorant do you have to be!

            I really wish you a-tards would do some reading to

            a.) Actually understand the faith you are criticizing
            b.) Learn some basic history
            c.) Learn the basics of how one makes a logical argument

            so you could

            d.) Stop embarrasing yourself.

      • Beckyboll

        Ha, ha! Boom!! Yeah!

  • Chris

    I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Bill Maher once had an atheist reporter on his show who was actually very calm and understanding about religion. She said she could see why people were religious and that she thought religion was a force for good in the world, and Bill berated her for it. He was almost as condescending and insulting to her as he is about people of faith. I also know atheists who are generally calm, peaceable types and don’t feel the need to act like Maher, Dawkins, et al. I used to be one, so I know where they’re coming from, they just have trouble shutting their wing nuts up like everyone else does.

    P.S. Would the American Atheists prefer the NFL have more Michael Vicks and OJ Simpsons? I sure hope not.

  • enness

    “(Religion) injects the divisive force into football.”

    ROFL! No, football injects the divisive force into football. Teams. Competition. Loyalties, rivalries. People yelling into their TVs at refs who can’t hear them.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a Broncos fan, but not a Christian and I generally dislike preachy super religious people. I admit at first I was hoping Tebow would turn out to be a dud so everyone would stop talking about him & move on. But after awhile I realized the same thing you noticed: the guy is just practicing his beliefs his own way, and unlike so many others I know, he’s actually practicing what he preaches and uses it as a guide to be a better person. How can you hate on that?

  • Math92

    I am anxious to see what becomes of Tebow in the next few years. Many prophets were given talents by God according to the skills that their culture valued (like “magic” for Moses, wisdom for Solomon, and even healing for Jesus). Now Tebow has inexplicable sports talent in a culture that values sports. Of course this doesn’t necessarily make him a prophet, but it is certainly an interesting comparison. His persecution thus far obviously does not measure up to some previous messengers, but I will be watching him in the future for sure.

  • Jmsteve4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY

    Has anyone seen this? It’s been going around my facebook. Somewhat related. Sort of.

  • James H

    Ah, yes. Bill Maher: the recipient of the first-ever ‘Richard Dawkins award for the promotion of SCIENCE!! (TM)’ – given to a man who doesn’t believe in germs.

    Hmm. Yes, I see.

  • Olivia D

    Tebow is great. Did anyone notice that the Heisman winner this year is also a strong Catholic and crosses himself frequently? I think you will find that the majority of Public figures, sports players, etc. have some sort of faith in God, Christian or otherwise and I think sometimes they just don’t have the courage to show it. FOR FEAR OF RIDICULE. I hope players like Tebow encourage other people to show their thanks to God in public. I could get used to seeing a few more bended knees of humility rather than the chest bumps of bravado…but that’s probably just me.

    • Paula

      “I could get used to seeing a few more bended knees of humility rather than the chest bumps of bravado…but that’s probably just me.” <– Me, too!

  • Shawn

    I’ve got no particular beefs with Tebow but it seems like pretty shaky theology. I mean, Tebow’s a pretty amazing athlete (as even his detractors will admit) and he has been practicing football a long time. It’s not surprising or miraculous that a good, hardworking athlete will be successful at an athletic endeavor. It would be way more miraculous if I (a slow, short, fat, old man) could succeed in the NFL as a quarterback after praying for success, or if Tebow could perform an open heart surgery after his kneeling act.

    More significantly, in a zero sum affair like a football game, if God is causing Tebow to win then He is causing the other team to lose. How? Does He cloud their minds and prevent them from running the right plays? Manipulate the playbook? Put the sun in their eyes at critical moments? Does it matter who Tebow’s team is, or could he just grab random people out of the stands and do just as well? Is it acceptable for the losing team to publically blame God for the loss if God grants Tebow the win? Does it matter how much they practice, or should they just say home? For that matter, what does it say about Tebow throwing interceptions? Or when the Broncos lose does that mean that someone on the other team prayed harder and God prefers them to Tebow so we should use the football game results as a guide to choose what church to join? What does that say about free will if God is actually interfering with individual plays in a football game in favor of one particular guy? This is what I mean by silly theology. He can pray all he wants to, but he’ll still need to hit the weight room after.

    • Tammy Schmidt

      Oy!
      if you understood faith… you would understand that someone like Tim Tebow (or any Christian or Catholic) doesn’t “pray for success”. That’s now how you pray – and you learn that by the time your 5 or 6 years old.
      No one is praying to win a game. They pray to praise God, to thank Him for the gifts He has bestowed (like talent, dedication, avoiding injury)

      so no….God is not letting the Broncos win. God doesn’t care about the outcome of football games, (I’m guessing) he cares about the people participating, and that love still does nothing to impact the outcome of the game.

      So yeah, we all have to hit the weight room after.

      • Shawn

        Well, I don’t think you can take my comment as saying that I don’t understand faith, and I don’t think you really reflect reality on the ground either. Back when I was less old, fat, and slow we used to have pep rallies where we would absolutely pray that our football team would win. (This actually heavily informed my later faith journey, as this didn’t really mesh with what I thought the purpose of prayer should be. These sorts of prayers are not at all uncommon among adults.) And there are absolutely people out there – I had a conversation with one just the other day – who believe that the hand of God is acting through Tebow to make the Broncos win and thereby win souls for the Lord. There are even some comments in this thread that suggest that Tebow is a modern-day prophet.

        So to the extent that anyone is claiming that God is directly interfering with the outcome of football games because of Tebow, that is very silly and borderline contemptible. But if people are saying that Tebow is using his faith to set a good example and trying to live as a good Christian should, I would say that is admirable. So the question of whether Tebow is full of crap or not depends on which of these things are being referred to, and I think that which is meant is often not made clear by the speaker.

        • PC Geek

          @Shawn…so your locker room pep rallies somehow set the standard for thousands of years of faith?

          Really?

          I think Aquinas and Augustine, among others, would love to have a word with you.

          • PC Geek

            As a followup to last week’s post…before anyone does read the ‘heavies’ like Aquinas and Augustine, they may want to first check out some of the best overall theological and philosophical reading that I have encountered in ‘Orthodoxy’ by G.K. Chesterton – it is in the public domain now so you can check it out at http://www.gutenberg.org/ebook

          • PC Geek

            Ack link typo…

            http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/130

            Sorry about that!

    • Gary

      Shawn, you put a lot of thought into your post. Obviously,much intelligence and reason went into your unassailable thought. Far be it from me as a humble Christian to attempt to use reason to refute you, but lets try a little observation here. Your straw-man argument has gone up in flames as you wanted.

      Your premise stinks. Tim has NEVER said he prays for victory. He thanks God for his opportunities and blessings that he has as an athlete. He prays for others that they weren’t injured or if they were that they heal. He is not a self-centered man. He recognizes his responsibilities to others demonstrated by his bringing a health challenged person to each home and away game, putting them up in a hotel, giving them and their families tickets, bringing other players over to meet them, and spending time before and after the game with them. This is indeed a shallow man.

      • Ann

        Hmmm…God never promised that he will answer all prayers with a “yes”, only that He will answer all prayers. I don’t buy Shawn’s logic.

  • Lisajulia

    Can i just say that i love that Atheists follow your posts? Clearly you write about things which interest them. Keep it up. Dialogue is a good thing.

  • Pierre

    I have to admit; I really, really like your W “was all like” and then X “was like” snarkiness. I really, really do. You have an eye for the text/image juxtaposition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rex-Shea/1126171168 Rex Shea

    I am

  • Anonymous

    Love this.

  • guest

    Yay for homeschooling! ;)

  • If_Only

    I completely admire Tim Tebow for being so open about his religious beliefs! I know so many people who would never have the courage to answer the kind of questions posed to him as shown in the last video in this post. Keep it up, Tebow!

  • Anonymous

    Jesus, in Matthew’s Gospel, says both “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven” (Mt 5:16) and “Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them” (Mt 6:1).

    The difference, of course, is WHY you are doing them. I do not think Tebow isn’t Tebowing “in order to be seen by men”; he is letting his “light so shine before men” so that they will give glory to God, not to him. How utterly Christian of him!

    Of course Silverman believes Tebow is doing this to be seen and for some personal gain. There’s hardly any other logical reason for Tebow’s behavior if there is no God, which is the perspective Silverman is coming from.

    But if American Atheists is about the separation of Church and state, what does it matter what they care about Tebow’s expression of faith in football games (televised or not)? Is the NFL an organ of the state? Are football games state affairs?

    I would hazard to guess that Silverman is not simply interested in the separation of Church and state: he is interested in the separation of Church from everything else. He wants religion cordoned off, utterly separated from everything else. He implies as much when he asks “Why in the world are we talking about religion when we are talking about football?”

    He does not like the fact that the spheres of religion and football might intersect when a religious man plays football. Because he doesn’t like it, he thinks no one should stand for it, and that is a truly unreasonable position.

  • http://arkanabar.blogspot.com/ Arkanabar

    Those atheists responding to your posts about obnoxious atheists with the argument, “those are no true atheists; REAL atheists are kinder, gentler, more compassionate, etc. etc. etc.” are using the “no true Scotsman” argument which is in fact fallacious. And they will doubtless follow up by claiming you are relying on irrational superstition while they rely upon Pure Reason.

  • Kevin

    World needs many more athletes like Tim Tebow. Good role models that children can look up to without having their parents censor the news. We have enough role models for children that get arrested for DUI, rape, drug use, and every other law that athletes continue to break. God bless Tebow!!


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