N.T. Wright at Asbury (1999) Part Three

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  • http://gospelthemes.blogspot.com Tom Schuessler

    Excellent talks, Ben. I have read Justification and Surprised by Joy. I need to get Jesus and the Victory of God. He refers to the subject of “Messiah” a lot, and assumes that the hearers in Jesus’s time had in the mind the Davidic Messiah. But “anointed one” had several meanings, based on the history of prophet, priests and kings getting anointed, correct? How can we be confident that the main idea for the Jews who saw and heard Jesus would be the Davidic king?

  • Ben Witherington

    By Jesus’ time mashiach was at least beginning to have a more specific sense, referring to a king. At Qumran they do speak of both a priestly and a kingly ‘messiah’ figure. BW3

  • Patrick

    There is some extra biblical evidence( I have no idea when this stuff was penned) the ancient Jews had come to see these 3 as separated entities.

    Elijah-Phineas “the priest” comes over like Christ in some documents. That one was to set everything right like Christ’s role. “The prophet” of Deuteronomy 18:15 I think they thought would be answered by the Malachi prediction of Elijah returning. King would be a warrior like David and wail on the Gentiles.

    The priest Elijah-Phineas was to be the main figure with the other 2 subject to his decisions.

    In John chapter 1, they ask Baptist about these various offices as if they thought in this mode, 3 seperate men. When they asked John if he was Elijah, he said no. Jesus said yes to this.

    That makes me think they were asking about Elijah-Phineas, not the prophet Elijah. Here’s some info on these extra biblical writings: