BEN: I was reflecting on what you say on pp. 155-56 about ‘simul justus et peccator’ and it occurred to me what a difference there is between Luther and Wesley on this matter. Luther, famously believed that the Christian continued to be in bondage to sin even after conversion, and made it part of the weakly confession. Wesley absolutely rejected this and for good reasons. His message was ‘while sin remains it no longer reigns’ in the life of the believer. The believer has been set free from the rule of sin and death in himself. So for Wesley Rom. 7.13-25 is a Christian statement about a pre-Christian condition, not to be equated with the tension between flesh and Spirit in Gal. 5. Probably the most accurate translation of ‘sarx’ when it comes to its moral sense is ‘sinful inclinations’ not ‘fallen nature’. The sinful inclinations tug the believer in one direction, the Holy Spirit in the other. A careful look at Paul’s anthropology makes clear that he sees this as an inner vs. outer tension, because the body is the one part of the Christian life that has not yet been renovated. Inwardly the believer is being renewed day by day and this includes will, emotions, thoughts etc. but outwardly he still has a fallen body that is heading for the grave. The discussion in Rom. 7.13-25 also raises another interesting point that Wesley never satisfactorily resolved. Namely, that the person in Rom. 7.13-25 doesn’t appear to have prevenient grace at work in him, at least in so far as his ability to keep God’s Word or do anything good. So…. Is he lacking prevenient grace altogether, or should we just say prevenient grace has a limited efficacy— ie. it enables the fallen person to throw himself on the mercy of God, recognizing his need for salvation. The point is that the person in Rom. 7.13-25 is still in the bondage to sin. I’m anxious to hear your thoughts on all this. In what sense does prevenient grace “free the will from bondage and allow the person to hear the Gospel” (p. 156).
BEN: On p. 159 you say that prevenient grace is a concept assumed everywhere in Scripture. If you were pressed to point to texts which mention or discuss this concept, where would you point? And since the phrase prevenient grace is not found in Scripture why not just talk about the prevenient work of the Spirit?
ROGER: That would be fine; I don’t invest any special virtue in the term itself. Call it what you will. It’s the concept and the reality to which it points that matters. In John 12 Jesus spoke of prevenient grace when he said that if he were lifted up he would draw all men to himself. But more importantly than one verse, I don’t think we can make any sense of all that Scripture says about the human condition and God’s gracious salvation and human responsibility to respond to God’s offer of such salvation without positing prevenient grace—call it whatever you like.