A Catholic funeral for Geraldine Ferraro? — UPDATED

A commenter raised the issue, citing the former congresswoman’s support for abortion rights, and declared: “Geraldine Ferraro should be denied a Catholic Mass with Catholic sacraments and yes, may God have mercy upon her soul.”

Details about Ferraro’s funeral haven’t yet been released.  I presume it will be Catholic. (To those who have asked: no, I don’t think it will be held at my parish.  As of Sunday afternoon, no one had contacted the rectory about it.)

But this sort of controversy is not without precedent.  Two years ago, when Ted Kennedy’s Catholic funeral (shown above, featuring the Cardinal Archbishop of Boston) caused such an uproar, I posted a link to an article from Zenit on who may or may not have a Catholic funeral:

A funeral Mass can be celebrated for most Catholics, but there are some specific cases in which canon law requires the denial of a funeral Mass.

Canons 1184-1185 say:

“Canon 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.Ҥ2. If any doubt occurs, the local ordinary is to be consulted, and his judgment must be followed.

“Canon 1185. Any funeral Mass must also be denied a person who is excluded from ecclesiastical funerals.”

In fact, these strictures are rarely applied. In part, this is because many sinners do show signs of repentance before death.

The consensus at the time was that it was appropriate for Ted Kennedy to have a Catholic funeral.  Canon lawyer Ed Peters weighed in on the topic, too — and agreed that the Kennedy funeral was canonically acceptable.

UPDATE:  A local TV station stopped by our parish Sunday.  Watch the report here.  Also, the details of her funeral have been released: it will be celebrated privately on Thursday at St. Vincent Ferrer Church in Manhattan.

Also: people are exhausting themselves finding new ways to say she’s almost certainly going to hell.  Comments are hereby closed.  Let us pray for Geraldine Ferraro, her family and those who loved her.   “Lord, let your mercy be on us, as we place our trust in you…”

Comments

  1. what wasn’t acceptable was allowing the president to get up and give a “eulogy” which impugned the Church’s teaching about marriage as being between and man and a woman. that was what was truly disgraceful. and the cardinal sat there and took it. made me ill.

  2. Deacon John M. Bresnahan says:

    The problem is that funeral Masses and their eulogies today have become mini-canonizations of the deceased.
    As jeff pointed out, what could and should have been a time of prayer for the deceased senator became a disgraceful virtual political rally led by the Kennedy family replete with “stump” speeches for some of his political projects.
    Apparently the original intent behind the changes after Vatican II was to have the “wake” be the place for personal reminiscences and effusive eulogies–not the funeral Mass. But things haven’t turned out that way. Possibly, I think , because the liturgy for the vigil (wake) service does not specify exact places in the service for reminiscences or eulogies.

  3. How could one consider denying a Catholic funeral for a person who was not denied the sacraments in her lifetime, given the fact that she did not apostate on her death bed. Presumably she received viaticum and anointing.
    Too many of us Catholics need to get over ourselves and check the beams in our own eyes.

  4. Abortion is an automatic excommunication according to Canon Law. If she truly repented of this terrible onslaught in which 60,000,000 babies were killed in a 38 year period, the public were not informed. Because this was a public scandal, as well as other left wing agendas, the only thing I can say is, “May God have mercy on her soul.

  5. Most of you sound like you are God. God made Geraldine and loves Geraldine because God is God. Happy Geraldine. I valued her.

  6. paul carrozzo says:

    It does not matter, the teachings of the Church. The Archbishop will cower to the politics and do the political thing, not the teaching of the Church. If he would do the correct thing, she would have been denied the other Sacraments while she was living and adamantly supporting abortion

  7. What is scandal?

    Canon law defines it as the following: “Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. the person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense. … Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to ‘social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.’ This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger, or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

    Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. ‘Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!’”

    Rome’s attitude towards abortion as a “hot-button” issue has driven away many sons and daughters of God from that Church. Is this not a “corruption of religious practice”, a “social condition that makes Christian conduct difficult”?

    May God have mercy upon Geraldine Ferraro’s soul, and upon the souls of all who through this human-made controversy may be driven away from his Church.

  8. Robert Blanchette says:

    Geraldine is answering for her sins already. She is in Jesus’ hands and who are we to say how He will judge her? Judgment belongs to him, not us. Denying her a Catholic funeral doesn’t punish her. She is beyond our influence. Instead it punishes those she left behind, many of whom may be staunch Catholics who have spent their lives praying for her and now wish to pray for the repose of her soul. Why deny them that?

    The politicization of every facet of life has reached an extreme that has become sickening. Instead of wishing ill on those we disagree with, perhaps we should pray that God have mercy on them and on us. I believe that is what Jesus told us to do in the Gospels. Unfortunately, most of us stand poised with stones in our hands instead of with open arms ready to welcome back our prodigal brothers and sisters.

  9. Thank you ikolope and BBB. May eternal light shine upon her.

  10. No disrespect to the Deacon but this is why I gave up Catholicism for Lent 25 years ago. Rest in Peace Ms. Ferraro. You were a trailblazer and hero to women and men alike. I will tell my daughters all about you.

  11. The main purpose of a funeral is to pray for their deceased and hope they are welcomed into eternal life. One of the prayers asks God’s forgiveness for the deceased’s sins “committed through human weakness”. I think we are all in that boat.
    Ms. Ferraro should not be denied a Catholic funeral. She was a sinner just as we all are and is entitled to our prayers for her.

  12. Some people are missing the point here: Ferraro was a public official who supported abortion on demand and partial birth abortion, when she did not have to, and the result of which is some 40-50 million American babies dead before ever seeing the light of day.

    If you read the Peters’ blog cited by Deacon Greg, the only reason Kennedy got a Catholic funeral is because he showed some sign of repentance on his death bed. I don’t know if Ferraro did or not but hopefully God will be merciful to her and the 40-50 million unborn souls will be as well. I assume she will now meet them and see the error of her ways.

    “Mark Leibovich of the New York Times notes that, among things, “The Rev. Mark Hession, the priest at the Kennedys’ parish on the Cape, made regular visits to the Kennedy home this summer and held a private family Mass in the living room every Sunday. Even in his final days, Mr. Kennedy led the family in prayer after the death of his sister Eunice . . . [and when] the senator’s condition took a turn Tuesday night a priest, the Rev. Patrick Tarrant of Our Lady of Victory Church in Centerville, was called to his bedside.”

    Folks, my reading of the canonical tradition behind Canon 1184** says that those actions suffice as “some signs of repentance”, making Ted Kennedy eligible for a Catholic funeral. Of course I wish that Teddy’s repentance, if that is what it was, had been more explicit, for the scandal the man left was enormous and demanded great atonement in this life (or more dreadfully in the next). But on the narrow question as to whether Edward Kennedy is eligible for a Catholic funeral, the information before me suggests that he is, and that a bishop who permits such rites can find support in the Code of Canon Law for his decision.

    Now, about President Obama giving a eulogy threat, don’t even get me started.”

  13. Did anyone hear yesterday’s Gospel? Just asking.

  14. And the psalm! Did you hear the psalm?

  15. Barbara Golder says:

    This is a matter for the priest and bishop involved. If there is a Catholic funeral, let us all rejoice in the eividence that it was appropriate and not second guess the clergy charged with this matter. NO ONE can know with certainty the condition of any man’s soul–not even his own. Repentence is often a far more private matter than the sin, and if in the confessional, bound by the seal.

  16. The problem with the catholic church is there are so many rules that lack emotional intelligence and true understanding of human needs. Those rules are arbitrarily applied when closeted repubilican bishops feel like it. How many funeral masses have been denied to the priest child abusers over the years? RIP Gerry, you were a true believer in the God of love.

  17. Brandy M Miller says:

    I think it is odd that anyone who deliberately disobeyed Church teaching throughout their life, and did not repent on their death bed of such disobedience, would want a Catholic funeral. I think it also ridiculous for anyone to expect to be buried in the Church if you did not live in it. This is not an unjust judgment. It is simply a reflection of the truth of the way a person has lived their life. Ms. Ferrarro lived outside the Church and, if she did not repent on her death bed, the Church has an obligation to respect that free will decision of hers by not pretending she was something she was not.

  18. Fr. Vincent Fitzpatrick says:

    I have to say that many of the comments are just twaddle.

    This isn’t about the condition of anyone’s soul–i.e., making judgments about Geraldine Ferraro’s soul. It’s about scandal. She was a public apostate by virtue of her support for abortion and other grave evils.

    If she repented, the seal of the confessional notwithstanding, she was obliged to issue a public statement to that effect. Not the priest, but Geraldine Ferraro. True repentance for public sins requires some kind of public reparation. Ms. Ferraro had ample warning of her impending death–ten years–and issued no statement expressing contrition for her decades of public apostasy.

    It is obvious that too many laity have been hoodwinked by the specious, self-serving, dishonest nonsense purveyed by bishops and priests who persist in repudiating their obligation to obey Canon 915.

    Geraldine Ferraro MIGHT have given “some sign” of repentance–the mere presence of a priest, for instance–sufficient to satisfy Canon Law. But if she has a Catholic funeral, attendance should be strictly limited, and those in attendance should be advised that Communion cannot be distributed to those who support abortion and other grave evils.

    Here is what WILL happen: A big, public funeral, attended by row upon row of pro-abortion public figures, who will troop up and receive Communion from gutless clerics.

    Those who wish to become instant experts on Canon 915 can do no better than to read this article by Cardinal Raymond Burke:

    http://tinyurl.com/canon915

  19. Perhaps if a Catholic Funeral is allowed for a public figure who supported grievious sins like abortion it should be liberally allowed but be held totally in private. No media!!!! If a public funeral is held the errors of the deceased should be discussed honestly and openly and with the reading of a written and signed and notarized apology and statement of having formally confessed and fully repented of all and repudiated all “publicized” sins and sinful positions taken in public life. Without public repentance “public sins” should not be publicly absolved by the Church. It only compounds scandal and mocks God to do so!

  20. Brandy M Miller says:

    @Carl: A true believer in the love of God would believe that God has a purpose in creating life and therefore all life is valuable and worth protecting. While I hope Geraldine changed her heart and mind before her death, it is undeniable that while in the public eye she was not a true believer. God doesn’t need man’s help with the guest list. He has perfect knowledge of how many people the Earth can hold, and He knows exactly who is needed and when.

  21. Brandy, you wrote: “…it is undeniable that while in the public eye she was not a true believer.”

    You know, pride can be a tremendous sin, and when you claim to know what was written on Geraldine Ferraro’s soul–or the soul of any person who has not explicitly denounced God–you are attempting to take on the role of God. You do not know who is or is not a “true believer.” Sorry. You don’t.

    Let us pray that the Lord will make His face shine upon her and be gracious to her, and may it be so for all of those whom we mourn, and for those whom we forget to mourn as well. May God please have mercy on all of our souls, every last one.

  22. Nobody here knows what Ferraro’s last moments were like, and whether she repented in her heart for any sins she committed.

    She knows, God knows.

    Err on the side of hope that she (and Teddy) took the offer of mercy and didn’t harden their hearts against true contrition and repentance.

  23. According to the Huffington Post, Ms. Ferraro’s funeral mass with be held at the Church of St. Vincent Ferrer in Manhattan and will be “private for family and friends and closed to the press.” So there will be no public funeral. In any case, I agree with poster Robert Blanchette that her soul is now in Jesus’ hands and how He judges her is unknown to us. Moreover, it is not up to us to judge her or decide whether or not she deserves a Catholic burial. We do well to keep in mind the words of scripture: “Vengeance is mine. I will repay, says the Lord.” (Romans 12:19) Eventually, we will all come under divine judgment, so it is best to tend to our own souls, strive to remain in the state of grace always and to pray for conversion of sinners!

  24. Of course she’ll have a Catholic funeral. And it will be a mini cannonization and the priest or bishop will just sit there and let it happen just like Ted Kennedy’s.

  25. Deacon Eric Stoltz says:

    Wow. It’s creepy to read some of the angry posts here that are about getting even and “scoring one for my team.”

    A funeral is not a prize awarded to “good people.” It is an occasion to console the grieving and to commend the dead person to the mercy of God. How could anyone who calls themselves Christian be eager to deny that to anyone?

    Some people think “Catholic” is somehow an excluding term. The word means “universal” and “all-embracing.” It’s not some club confined to people who are “perfect.”

  26. Nonsense re excluding. The church in her wisdom has laws about this situation.

  27. If there is a public Catholic funeral, I hope the presider wears black, encourages penace for the soul of Ms. Ferraro, prays for all souls in purgatory, and for the end of abortion. I do think a private, penitential funeral would be better.

  28. Donna Bethell says:

    It is necessary to distinguish between a person’s private dispositions and his public acts. We are often told, by those defending giving Holy Communion or public funeral Masses to public supporters of abortion, that we are not to judge another’s soul. There are several examples of this in these comments. But no one is trying to judge another’s soul. It is a question of judging actions, public actions.

    When a politician presents himself as a Catholic and yet persists in public acts that are contrary to Catholic moral teaching in a serious matter, such as abortion, that person has publicly repudiated his Catholic Faith. He has presumably done this freely. Many of these politicians admit that they know they are in conflict with the Church because they say that they “have a disagreement,” usually “with the bishops,” as if this were a matter over which reasonable people can differ and the bishops just have a different opinion. So they misrepresent the situation to their own specious advantage.

    A public sin that causes public scandal should be repented in public with a statement of sorrow and purpose of amendment. Short of this, the Church only compounds the scandal by allowing a public, adulatory funeral. A private funeral for family and close friends is all that should be allowed, with prayers for the mercy of God.

    It is not a matter of judging anyone’s soul, not in the Communion line or after death. It is a matter of recognizing the objective evil of public acts.

  29. From Boston.com- Funeral mass is set for Thursday a.m.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/03/28/ferraro_funeral_mass_scheduled_for_thursday_in_nyc/

    “The funeral will be held at the Church of Saint Vincent Ferrer in Manhattan. It will be limited to friends and family. No press coverage will be permitted.

    Ferraro’s family asks that in lieu of flowers, donations be made to several charities including two multiple myeloma research foundations.”

    Her family is to be commended for keeping this private rather than making it a media circus / political rally. This of course may have been her personal wish.

  30. Hope I am not the only one to see a logical inconsistency here:

    - We do not know the whole story about the Fr. Corapi issue, so let’s not rush to judgment.

    - We do know enough about the state of Geraldine Ferraro’s soul to rush to deny her a Catholic funeral.

  31. Amen Fr. Vincent Fitzpatrick!

    Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in your name, and cast out devils in your name, and done many miracles in your name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

    This is a reminder that we don’t get to pick and choose what to believe. No doubt Ms. Ferraro did many good works during her life. I’m sure that she was charming and affable but we don’t get to Heaven by being nice. But the Church doesn’t measure works against works like some sort of scale. I sincerely hope that Ms. Ferraro had some sort of death bed conversion and repented of her views that were at odds with the Church. But similarly to the death of Sen. Kennedy do we have any evidence of “Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death” In the case of Sen. Kennedy we know a priest was present shortly before or near the time of death. Can we assume though that, like Sen. Kennedy, even if a priest were present they repented of those mortal sins which they had for so many years firmly believed were okay.

    The big problem here as someone else mentioned is that for too many years priests and Bishops have ignored their duty to instruct and correct these public sinners. Had they done this properly then the question of whether or not they were deserving of a public Catholic funeral should be moot.

  32. Hmmm I don’t hear anyone rushing to deny her anything. The issue Deacon Greg posted on was one of canon law. We certainly do know that Ferraro, unlike Corapi, was a tireless and sorry advocate for legalized abortion on demand and, I believe, partial birth abortion. It is heartbreakingly sad that a person of her intelligence was so deceived by the lies of the world on this subject. I hope she is in Heaven or gets there soon, and we can only imagine what it will be like for these pro-legal abortions public servants to encounter the millions of innocent human beings who never walked the face of the earth because of Roe v. Wade.

  33. Xander Lark says:

    The Vatican had no problem with a church funeral of Pavarotti.

  34. Thank you Fr. Vincent Fitzpatrick for your comments. The complete ignorance spouted in most of this combox is disturbing as it reflects the collapsed Catechesis of the last 50 years and how it has produced blind, stiff necked souls who will indeed suffer.

  35. The Eucharist liturgy is not a weapon to be wielded. The purpose of the funeral liturgy is to express our communion with the deceased, through the participation of the community gathered for the funeral, and the proclamation of eternal life to the community. [Catchesim of the Catholic Church 1684]

    A public funeral is a public proclamation of our faith in the life to come. Even your funeral is not all about you (sinner or saint), or even those who mourn you.

    And Leonard, as for a dissection of the sins of the deceased at a funeral liturgy, who of us has not sinned, and most of us I imagine (certainly, I) have sinned in ways that are known to others? How does that process serve the purpose of the liturgy? A funeral liturgy is not to be confused with some sort of catechetical posthumous exomologesis.

  36. She is not having a public funeral. I would assume the Kennedy pep rally taught the hierarchy a lesson finally and I wouldn’t be surprised if Archbishop Dolan had a hand in barring the media.

  37. Deacon Eric Stolz, Of course we should all hope that Jerry and Ted went to heaven but I think if you search out the Church’s true teaching on the matter you will find that true contrition that allows for the absolution of persistent, mortal sin rarely if ever happens on the death bed and in the shadow of death. It only happens when the person repenting has an actual chance to and actually does repent and make amends “in this life.” God is Loving, Merciful and Kind but is also Just and is never mocked! I think it is rather “creepy”of you as a Deacon to make it seem Like God and the Catholic Church (His Bride) are OK with supporting abortion!

  38. @ 11 romcath,
    ” hope they are welcomed into eternal life “? that seems to
    be the problem with rcc teaching. y’all have no clue about
    the assurance of salvation.all the prayers for a person will
    not help if one has not sincerely repented for their sins
    and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord
    and Savior and in your heart and trust that God
    raised Him from the dead.
    How are people to know if it’s not preached from
    the pulpit ?

  39. Jim,
    The problem with rcc teaching is that you have no clue what it is. While all were saved by the death and resurrection of Christ it is possible for one to reject that salvation through sins that go unrepented.
    Perhaps you could get hold of a Catholic Catechism and learn a bit before you spout your fundamentalist poppycock.

  40. It is truly a sing of how absurd the institutional Church has become that this is even a matter a debate. The bottom line is that Ms Ferraro has been a champion of “abortion rights” and in fact was recently praised as such by “Emily’s list” a PAC dedicated to electing pro-abortion women. I I recall Vatican II called abortion an unspeakable crime, to quote specifically “God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes” Now taking this at face value, it seems pretty clear to me that if advocating and defending what is an “abominable crime” as a constitutional right, does not get prevent you from getting a Catholic funeral well what precisely does? Lets be honest, if you are ok with Ferraro getting a Catholic funeral, it means you do not regard abortion as an “abominable crime” Simply substitute any other “abominable crime” into the equation and this is obvious. Would anyone suggest a known advocate of say racism, or pornography or a drug dealer should have a Catholic funeral? Would this change if they had done other things in life that were valuable? The question answers itself. The fact that there is any doubt suggests that the Bishops ( as a group) no longer believe thier own teaching. This fact ,more than any other explains what is going on in the Church today, from the open heresy to the sex abuse crisis. It will not stop until the obvious loss of faith is addressed.

  41. Paul-Joseph says:

    Geoffrey said,
    “Rome’s attitude towards abortion as a “hot-button” issue has driven away many sons and daughters of God from that Church.”

    Sons and daughters of God do not advocate the murder of unborn children. Judgmental? No, simply using God’s gifts to discern between simple right and wrong. “Abortion” is not a medical or political issue, it is the killing of an innocent person.

    I fear for the soul of any person who dies unrepentant of mortal sin, I pray she sought Christ’s forgiveness. However, I would fear more to face God as a bishop that had not strongly stood for the faith and the flock he has sworn to protect. Allowing public sinners to receive the sacraments confuses the faithful as to the Church’s teachings. No wonder Dante reserved a special place in hell for bishops.

  42. We were all redeemed by Christ; we work out our salvation in “fear and trembling” as St. Paul said. I can understand the seductive appeal of the “salvation in an instant” falsely proposed by protestants (who wouldn’t like things to be that way) ,but alas, that isn’t the reality.

  43. oldestof9 says:

    This is from Ronald Roheisers weekly reflection…I thought it appropriate to post here.
    I pray the most bitter and pharasitic of all y’all will take it to heart.
    Peace to all

    Lorenzo Rosebaugh, an Oblate colleague shot to death in Guatemala two years ago, used to share at Oblate gatherings some advice that Daniel Berrigan once gave him. Lorenzo, contemplating an act of civil disobedience to protest the Vietnam war, was told by Berrigan: If you can’t do this without becoming bitter, then don’t do it! Do it only if you can do it with a mellow heart! Do it only if you can be sure you won’t end up hating those who arrest you!

    That’s hard to do; but, in the end, it’s the ultimate challenge, namely, to not hate those who oppose us, to not hate our enemies, to continue to have gracious and forgiving hearts in the face of misunderstanding, bitter opposition, jealousy, anger, hatred, positive mistreatment, and even the threat of death.

    And to be a disciple of Jesus means that, at some point, we will be hated. We will make enemies. It happened to Jesus and he assured us that it will happen to us.

    But he also left us the ultimate example of how we need to respond to our enemies. When scripture tells us that Jesus saved the people from their sins, it doesn’t just mean that in offering his death to his father as a sacrifice in one eternal act he took away our sins. It also points to his way of living and how, as he demonstrated, forgiving and loving one’s enemies take away sin, by absorbing it. Jesus’ great act of love, as Kierkegaard once said, is meant to be imitated not just admired.

    But how do we do this? It seems that we don’t know how to love our enemies, that we don’t have the strength to forgive. We preach it as an ideal and naively believe that we are doing it. But, for the most part, we aren’t. We really don’t love and forgive those who oppose us. Too often we are distrustful, disrespectful, bitter, demonizing, and (metaphorically speaking) murderous towards each other. If there is much love and forgiveness of enemies in our lives, it’s far from evident, both in our world and in our churches. As Ronald Knox once said, as Christians, we have never really taken seriously Jesus’ challenge to love our enemies and to turn the other check.

    I say this sympathetically. We need help. The old saying is true: To err is human, to forgive is divine. So how do we start?

  44. Holly Hansen says:

    It seems to me that the political views of those posting is the determining factor for most. This past Sunday’s gospel speaks to what Our Lord would do.
    Rest In Peace Gerry, even in death you can cause a good debate.

  45. A debate on the abominable crime on abortion. Yeah. Too bad she hadn’t been around in the Dredd Scott era; she could have caused a good debate on the legality of owning slaves. Hey, it was the “law of the land.”

  46. @Holly

    Ah yes, the old it’s the political views of posters that shapes their comments canard. Are you so sure of my political views? But thanks again for demonstrating that the murder of the innocent unborn is the stated platform of one of the political parties in this country.

  47. @oldestof9, Holly

    Tell me, is there anyone who goes to Hell?

  48. oldestof9 says:

    I wouldn’t know, through the grace of God, I work at not judging people. We will all stand before God ON OUR OWN.

    If Geraldine is going/has gone to hell it will not be by anything I say or do although what I say or do might just get me there…(wink, wink, nudge, nudge) Get it??

    Peace to all

  49. oldestof9 says:

    WOW…we have such a long way to go. There’s NO WAY the world is going to end 5/21/12 (the (1) year anniversary of my ordination)

  50. Why does it seem that many Catholics who dissent from Catholic teaching, or at least cafeteria Catholics, that they more resemble “sola scriptura” protestants than Catholics. They are always quick to trot out some scripture passage to defend their beliefs while ignoring other passages in the bible or clearly defined teaching of the Church. We are given the passage that Jesus forgave sinners and so too we must love and forgive. True enough. But they never mention that Jesus also said “sin no more.”

    Let’s assume for a second that Ms. Ferraro fulfilled her Easter obligation and went to confession at least once a year. She should have confessed that she was fervent advocate of abortion. Now only Jesus knows the state of her soul and the guilt of her sin, nevertheless, it is sinful matter and should be confessed. Now assuming she was sincere she would have been given absolution and made an act of contrition stating her intent to “sin no more.” However, it is clear that Ms. Ferraro never changed her opinions on the issue of abortion, failing then to abide by the command, “sin no more.” All of us are sinners and many of us commit the same sin again. It is one thing to sin out of a weakness in our character which we are sincerely trying to change. It is entirely another to obstinately hold as true, something that is clearly false.

  51. @oldestof9 If Geraldine is going/has gone to hell it will not be by anything I say or do although what I say or do might just get me there…(wink, wink, nudge, nudge) Get it?

    Sorry I don’t “get it” We prudentially make judgements every day about peoples actions. Do you deny that Ms. Ferraro’s public support of abortion was scandal? Since you refer to your ordination I will presume you are a priest. Therefore I will pray that none in your flock ever have to meet Jesus at judgement day with a sin on their soul which is left there because you were afraid to correct or properly instruct them.

  52. @oldestof9

    Sorry one more thing, your comment, “I pray the most bitter and pharasitic of all y’all will take it to heart”is a judgement.


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