Scientists on aliens & things beyond our ken

What is significant in this story is not that super-scientist Stephen Hawkings now believes in aliens–and warns us not to go looking for them–but the statement by the astronomer royal:

The  aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.

The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe’s greatest mysteries. Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.

Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.

“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”

The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals — the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history.

One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter.

Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity.

He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.”

He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.” . . .

Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon.

So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances.

Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds.

Hawking’s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look.

Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding. “I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive,” he said. “Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.”

via Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking – Times Online

Yes, Lord Rees! It’s called theology.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    The Lord is an extravagant creator, and it would not surprise me if there were life elsewhere in the Universe.However, the effects of the fall appear to be universal, Hawkings words have the ring of wisdom. If there is other life out there and they have the technology to get here, we are in trouble.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    The Lord is an extravagant creator, and it would not surprise me if there were life elsewhere in the Universe.However, the effects of the fall appear to be universal, Hawkings words have the ring of wisdom. If there is other life out there and they have the technology to get here, we are in trouble.

  • http://bethanylc.org Rev. C. D. Trouten

    We already know of other intelligent life in the universe: angels (both good & bad). As far as other non-intelligent life goes: it would be no more extraordinary than finding new species of life on previously unexplored isalnds here on earth.

  • http://bethanylc.org Rev. C. D. Trouten

    We already know of other intelligent life in the universe: angels (both good & bad). As far as other non-intelligent life goes: it would be no more extraordinary than finding new species of life on previously unexplored isalnds here on earth.

  • Joe

    The problem with Hawkins’ theory is that it is totally dependent upon evolution. When you reduce the creation of life down to nothing more than chance, then I guess you could conclude that the vastness of our universe points toward life existing somewhere else. However, when you have a creator God at work and not chance, whether or not there is life out there is not a game of probabilities. God either did it or he did not. While the Word does make clear that God created the heavens and the stars – there is not word one that would indicate He created life anywhere other than Earth.

  • Joe

    The problem with Hawkins’ theory is that it is totally dependent upon evolution. When you reduce the creation of life down to nothing more than chance, then I guess you could conclude that the vastness of our universe points toward life existing somewhere else. However, when you have a creator God at work and not chance, whether or not there is life out there is not a game of probabilities. God either did it or he did not. While the Word does make clear that God created the heavens and the stars – there is not word one that would indicate He created life anywhere other than Earth.

  • Tom Hering

    In order for the antichrist to arise in the last days as a false savior, something has to happen that frightens the whole world. Like the arrival of nasty aliens en masse. Of course, the antichrist will claim that the aliens are, in fact, demons – just as he will claim that he is God. But Christians firmly grounded in the Word will reject both claims.

    Just trying to tie two of today’s topics together. ;-)

  • Tom Hering

    In order for the antichrist to arise in the last days as a false savior, something has to happen that frightens the whole world. Like the arrival of nasty aliens en masse. Of course, the antichrist will claim that the aliens are, in fact, demons – just as he will claim that he is God. But Christians firmly grounded in the Word will reject both claims.

    Just trying to tie two of today’s topics together. ;-)

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  • WebMonk

    Count me in for one who expects there to be life on other planets and other stars. We’re certainly not anywhere approaching total knowledge of physics, but without a MAJOR flip-everything-upside-down sort of discovery, I’m pretty sure aliens would be limited by the speed of light and other difficulties.

    I’m not worried about contacting aliens and then having them show up on our doorstep a couple years later to pull an Independence Day scenario. The logistics are a bit much to overcome unless there are some extremely cool sci-fi capabilities. (reactionless drives, efficient & controlled atomic transmutation, FTL travel, etc) Without stuff like that, we’re probably still 50 to 100 years from physical contact at the absolute soonest – ie. there are intelligent aliens within 50ly of us who want to send ships ASAP.

    There’s a really awesome and fun book written by a Dr. Travis Taylor, An Introduction to Planetary Defense. It’s a serious approach to the topic and a LOT of fun to read through.

    (the bad news – if they just want to kill everyone, we’re hosed. If they want to preserve people and infrastructure, then we might have a chance in a fight, if they aren’t too fantastically technologically advanced and have limited resources.)

  • WebMonk

    Count me in for one who expects there to be life on other planets and other stars. We’re certainly not anywhere approaching total knowledge of physics, but without a MAJOR flip-everything-upside-down sort of discovery, I’m pretty sure aliens would be limited by the speed of light and other difficulties.

    I’m not worried about contacting aliens and then having them show up on our doorstep a couple years later to pull an Independence Day scenario. The logistics are a bit much to overcome unless there are some extremely cool sci-fi capabilities. (reactionless drives, efficient & controlled atomic transmutation, FTL travel, etc) Without stuff like that, we’re probably still 50 to 100 years from physical contact at the absolute soonest – ie. there are intelligent aliens within 50ly of us who want to send ships ASAP.

    There’s a really awesome and fun book written by a Dr. Travis Taylor, An Introduction to Planetary Defense. It’s a serious approach to the topic and a LOT of fun to read through.

    (the bad news – if they just want to kill everyone, we’re hosed. If they want to preserve people and infrastructure, then we might have a chance in a fight, if they aren’t too fantastically technologically advanced and have limited resources.)

  • WebMonk

    Tom, wouldn’t the Antichrist want to claim that the arriving demons are actually aliens? (“No, really. These aliens are friendly. Ignore their red skin, glowing eyes, horns, smell of brimstone, demands of child sacrifice, implanted computer chips that look like 666, barbed tails, and the tridents!” )

    I can’t remember what the book was, but I read a Left Behind-style of book that had the “alien contact” actually a big deception by demons introducing the End Times. Like 99.999% of the Christian End Times books out there, the book really stunk.

  • WebMonk

    Tom, wouldn’t the Antichrist want to claim that the arriving demons are actually aliens? (“No, really. These aliens are friendly. Ignore their red skin, glowing eyes, horns, smell of brimstone, demands of child sacrifice, implanted computer chips that look like 666, barbed tails, and the tridents!” )

    I can’t remember what the book was, but I read a Left Behind-style of book that had the “alien contact” actually a big deception by demons introducing the End Times. Like 99.999% of the Christian End Times books out there, the book really stunk.

  • http://lutherama.blogspot.com Dr. Luther in 21st Century

    If there is hostile alien life then it is incumbent on us to send out specialized teams with the goal of bringing back alien technologies with which we can defend ourselves.

  • http://lutherama.blogspot.com Dr. Luther in 21st Century

    If there is hostile alien life then it is incumbent on us to send out specialized teams with the goal of bringing back alien technologies with which we can defend ourselves.

  • Tom Hering

    WebMonk, you’re talking real-world stuff now. ;-) There are actually “Christian ministries” out there working with alien abductees – trying to convince these poor folk that their abduction experiences are demonic experiences. I guess it’s compassionate to make troubled people even more frightened.

    Demons can possess human beings. But I know of nothing in Scripture that tells us demons can manifest themselves physically, or in any way manipulate the physical world (the Creation over which Jesus is Lord).

    The Scriptures instruct us to fear God – and Him only. Amen.

  • Tom Hering

    WebMonk, you’re talking real-world stuff now. ;-) There are actually “Christian ministries” out there working with alien abductees – trying to convince these poor folk that their abduction experiences are demonic experiences. I guess it’s compassionate to make troubled people even more frightened.

    Demons can possess human beings. But I know of nothing in Scripture that tells us demons can manifest themselves physically, or in any way manipulate the physical world (the Creation over which Jesus is Lord).

    The Scriptures instruct us to fear God – and Him only. Amen.

  • Carl Vehse

    I think Enrico Fermi had it right about intelligent life on other planets when he told colleagues in 1950, “If they existed, they would be here.” This famous statement (the Fermi Paradox) and the basis for making it, which has has only increased since then, indicate the Drake Equation is grossly incomplete.

    As for life elsewhere in the galaxy, that may exist. And some of it may be delicious, especially barbequed. I’m all for finding out.

  • Carl Vehse

    I think Enrico Fermi had it right about intelligent life on other planets when he told colleagues in 1950, “If they existed, they would be here.” This famous statement (the Fermi Paradox) and the basis for making it, which has has only increased since then, indicate the Drake Equation is grossly incomplete.

    As for life elsewhere in the galaxy, that may exist. And some of it may be delicious, especially barbequed. I’m all for finding out.

  • Tom Hering

    Mr. Vehse, don’t ignore Hawkings’ caution. We might be quite tasty when barbequed, too. ;-) But would they want fries with us?

  • Tom Hering

    Mr. Vehse, don’t ignore Hawkings’ caution. We might be quite tasty when barbequed, too. ;-) But would they want fries with us?

  • http://mesamike.org Mike Westfall

    It’s not that I believe that extraterrestrials don’t exist; I just don’t posses a positive belief in their existence… :-)

    But if they do exist, they are certainly more highly evolved that us and we should strive to be like them. After all, they’ve already learned how to get along without using oil, or eating meat. They even can communicate directly with dolphins (in a spiritual level, of course)…

  • http://mesamike.org Mike Westfall

    It’s not that I believe that extraterrestrials don’t exist; I just don’t posses a positive belief in their existence… :-)

    But if they do exist, they are certainly more highly evolved that us and we should strive to be like them. After all, they’ve already learned how to get along without using oil, or eating meat. They even can communicate directly with dolphins (in a spiritual level, of course)…

  • Carl Vehse

    If we had the advanced technology sufficient to go to other solar systems and find intelligent life, Hawkings’ concerns about alien predation become even weaker, though there is obviously the infection concerns, as afflicted the Martians in War of the Worlds or the crews/terraformers in the Alien/Aliens films.

    If advanced intelligent aliens were to exist and come to Earth, as represented in countless SF stories and films, e.g., Predator, Independence Day, or The Day the Earth Stood Still, there’s not much we could do to prevent such contact.

    And since we have been broadcasting our existence for over fifty years (out to distances of 50 light-years) by TV transmissions into space, it’s a little to late for Hawkings to say, “Shhhhhhhh!”

    In any case, it is incompatible with the Christian faith to accept the notion that humanity could be consumed in some gigantic alien smorgasbord.

  • Carl Vehse

    If we had the advanced technology sufficient to go to other solar systems and find intelligent life, Hawkings’ concerns about alien predation become even weaker, though there is obviously the infection concerns, as afflicted the Martians in War of the Worlds or the crews/terraformers in the Alien/Aliens films.

    If advanced intelligent aliens were to exist and come to Earth, as represented in countless SF stories and films, e.g., Predator, Independence Day, or The Day the Earth Stood Still, there’s not much we could do to prevent such contact.

    And since we have been broadcasting our existence for over fifty years (out to distances of 50 light-years) by TV transmissions into space, it’s a little to late for Hawkings to say, “Shhhhhhhh!”

    In any case, it is incompatible with the Christian faith to accept the notion that humanity could be consumed in some gigantic alien smorgasbord.

  • Tom Hering

    “… it is incompatible with the Christian faith to accept the notion that humanity could be consumed in some gigantic alien smorgasbord.”

    Unless they put 144,000 of us in a doggie bag.

  • Tom Hering

    “… it is incompatible with the Christian faith to accept the notion that humanity could be consumed in some gigantic alien smorgasbord.”

    Unless they put 144,000 of us in a doggie bag.

  • Carl Vehse

    With the 144,000 ending up as leftovers the aliens can reheat in their microwave… or fed to the aliens’ pets at home. ;-)

  • Carl Vehse

    With the 144,000 ending up as leftovers the aliens can reheat in their microwave… or fed to the aliens’ pets at home. ;-)

  • Tom Hering

    Another interesting connection between the antichrist (as identified in the Lutheran confessions) and extraterrestrials:

    E.T. phone Rome

  • Tom Hering

    Another interesting connection between the antichrist (as identified in the Lutheran confessions) and extraterrestrials:

    E.T. phone Rome

  • Carl Vehse

    It was the current director of the Vatican Observatory and Jesuit priest, José Gabriel Funes, who stated,

    “As a multiplicity of creatures exist on earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God. This does not contrast with our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God. To say it with Saint Francis, if we consider earthly creatures as ‘brother’ and ‘sister,’ why cannot we also speak of an ‘extraterrestrial brother?’”

    That might depend on whether the aliens are Klingon or Romulan.

  • Carl Vehse

    It was the current director of the Vatican Observatory and Jesuit priest, José Gabriel Funes, who stated,

    “As a multiplicity of creatures exist on earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God. This does not contrast with our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God. To say it with Saint Francis, if we consider earthly creatures as ‘brother’ and ‘sister,’ why cannot we also speak of an ‘extraterrestrial brother?’”

    That might depend on whether the aliens are Klingon or Romulan.

  • Tom Hering

    What’s of most interest to me in all these discussions of religion and extraterrestrials (you’ll find a lot of them if you search for them) is the assumption that Christians who hold fast to the Word and Creationism will fall to pieces on the day extraterrestrial life is discovered.

    Why would that be the case? Why not?

  • Tom Hering

    What’s of most interest to me in all these discussions of religion and extraterrestrials (you’ll find a lot of them if you search for them) is the assumption that Christians who hold fast to the Word and Creationism will fall to pieces on the day extraterrestrial life is discovered.

    Why would that be the case? Why not?

  • Carl Vehse

    Those making such an assumption that Christians who hold fast to the Word and Creationism will fall to pieces on the day extraterrestrial life is discovered understand very little about Christianity and often take their information about Christianity from others (e.g., the MSM) who similarly have little understanding of Christianity.

  • Carl Vehse

    Those making such an assumption that Christians who hold fast to the Word and Creationism will fall to pieces on the day extraterrestrial life is discovered understand very little about Christianity and often take their information about Christianity from others (e.g., the MSM) who similarly have little understanding of Christianity.

  • Tom Hering

    So would extraterrestrials be sinless, as some theologians have speculated? Perhaps, but only in the same way as animals and all the rest of Creation: without original sin, but suffering the consequences of mankind’s Fall. “… the heavens are not pure in His sight” – Job 15:15.

    The bottom line is that the existence of extraterrestrial life would in no way change the fact of our Fall, or our need for our Savior, Jesus Christ.

  • Tom Hering

    So would extraterrestrials be sinless, as some theologians have speculated? Perhaps, but only in the same way as animals and all the rest of Creation: without original sin, but suffering the consequences of mankind’s Fall. “… the heavens are not pure in His sight” – Job 15:15.

    The bottom line is that the existence of extraterrestrial life would in no way change the fact of our Fall, or our need for our Savior, Jesus Christ.

  • ptl

    Honestly, this whole thing cracks me up and should show anyone the crazy and inconsistent kinds of ideas these Stephen Hawkins kind of folks have swirling around their minds. For goodness sake, what’s not to think the whole universe was created by some kinds of aliens who understand all the physics of black holes, string theory, super duper string theory, and what we wish we knew it took to create a universe (and if we keep doing physics for a few million years we just might find out…lol!)? Am not saying that is correct, but to me it is at least plausible, in so far as isn’t it basic sciente, that once you understand how something works, then it would be possible to exploit, manipulate, reproduce, modify the experiment and do the same with the results? Well, what a crazy road these very smart folks have found themselves without gas and perhaps a few flat tires :)

  • ptl

    Honestly, this whole thing cracks me up and should show anyone the crazy and inconsistent kinds of ideas these Stephen Hawkins kind of folks have swirling around their minds. For goodness sake, what’s not to think the whole universe was created by some kinds of aliens who understand all the physics of black holes, string theory, super duper string theory, and what we wish we knew it took to create a universe (and if we keep doing physics for a few million years we just might find out…lol!)? Am not saying that is correct, but to me it is at least plausible, in so far as isn’t it basic sciente, that once you understand how something works, then it would be possible to exploit, manipulate, reproduce, modify the experiment and do the same with the results? Well, what a crazy road these very smart folks have found themselves without gas and perhaps a few flat tires :)

  • Catherine

    What is that quote? “The best proof that there is intelligent life on other planets is that they haven’t tried to contact us.”

    That being said, I personally don’t believe that aliens exist. Nor do I even care enough to argue my position. They make for great fiction and cinema, but that’s as far as my interest goes.

  • Catherine

    What is that quote? “The best proof that there is intelligent life on other planets is that they haven’t tried to contact us.”

    That being said, I personally don’t believe that aliens exist. Nor do I even care enough to argue my position. They make for great fiction and cinema, but that’s as far as my interest goes.

  • ptl

    Anyone ever think about this from a marketing perspective? I mean these big and famous scientists write books and need to sell them, or they make specials like this one and need to promote them. Could all these very sensationalized comments, even the ideas themselves, just be part of a marketing campaign, based on market research that shows that this is something that would appeal to the mass market (by the way, very few of any know anything about real science or math), so these kinds of statements by these very nerdy folks are just really a way to grab headlines and promote books and tv specials, etc. etc. My guess is some very intelligent aliens are going to make lots of money from it all :)

  • ptl

    Anyone ever think about this from a marketing perspective? I mean these big and famous scientists write books and need to sell them, or they make specials like this one and need to promote them. Could all these very sensationalized comments, even the ideas themselves, just be part of a marketing campaign, based on market research that shows that this is something that would appeal to the mass market (by the way, very few of any know anything about real science or math), so these kinds of statements by these very nerdy folks are just really a way to grab headlines and promote books and tv specials, etc. etc. My guess is some very intelligent aliens are going to make lots of money from it all :)

  • Tom Hering

    Hmmm. According to a FOX news poll, one-third of Americans believe in UFOs. Another source says forty percent of people in China and India believe extraterrestrials exist, and walk among us disguised as human beings. That’s a lot of people willing to give astrobiologists a hearing. Will the Church get a hearing from them as well, if its only argument is to laugh in their faces (or smirk behind their backs)?

  • Tom Hering

    Hmmm. According to a FOX news poll, one-third of Americans believe in UFOs. Another source says forty percent of people in China and India believe extraterrestrials exist, and walk among us disguised as human beings. That’s a lot of people willing to give astrobiologists a hearing. Will the Church get a hearing from them as well, if its only argument is to laugh in their faces (or smirk behind their backs)?

  • DrJoan

    I’m always impressed about two things as re aliens: First, they almost ALWAYS have typical human characteristics–a thorax (apparently with some sort of respiratory apparatus), visual perceptors (eyes), a mouth of sorts, a nasal appendage, legs, arms, etc.
    But second and of more concern is that aliens are always depicted as more advanced than we are. This to me is the typical progressive position: just as President Obama seems to diminish the superiority of the United States in many ways, so these scientists tend to diminish the superiority of the human race. But since most of their positions stem from an evolutionary point of view, I guess I can understand their lack of faith in their own humnaity!

  • DrJoan

    I’m always impressed about two things as re aliens: First, they almost ALWAYS have typical human characteristics–a thorax (apparently with some sort of respiratory apparatus), visual perceptors (eyes), a mouth of sorts, a nasal appendage, legs, arms, etc.
    But second and of more concern is that aliens are always depicted as more advanced than we are. This to me is the typical progressive position: just as President Obama seems to diminish the superiority of the United States in many ways, so these scientists tend to diminish the superiority of the human race. But since most of their positions stem from an evolutionary point of view, I guess I can understand their lack of faith in their own humnaity!

  • http://spaceagelutheran.blogspot.com/ SAL

    I’m not a Young-Earth-Creationist but I think there’s no basis in which to expect complex life on any planet besides Earth.

    Microbial life on other planets is certainly possible (carried on the debris from meteorite impacts). We’ve got debris from Mars on the Earth (most commonly found in Antarctica).

    We know practically nothing about the early development of life. The conservative bet would be that the Earth is unique and whatever life exists on other planets started here.

  • http://spaceagelutheran.blogspot.com/ SAL

    I’m not a Young-Earth-Creationist but I think there’s no basis in which to expect complex life on any planet besides Earth.

    Microbial life on other planets is certainly possible (carried on the debris from meteorite impacts). We’ve got debris from Mars on the Earth (most commonly found in Antarctica).

    We know practically nothing about the early development of life. The conservative bet would be that the Earth is unique and whatever life exists on other planets started here.

  • ptl

    to Tom above…the church is not going to get a hearing from them if the strategy is to get their attention by trying to disprove science wrong with regard to most of it’s materialistic philosophy of the origins and purpose of the universe and life…at least that is my opinion. and that’s because you will not be able to do that…ever try to debate evolution by trying to discredit the evidence? the piles and piles of complex and complicated material, loaded with all sorts of fancy scientific names and titles, and logic, etc. (just the kind of stuff that impresses folks nowadays!) And science itself has very good credibility with the general public…consider that much of our modern way of life with all it’s conveniences, and improvements in medicine and health, etc. owe it all to the technologies that grew out of scientific advancemenst over the past few hundred years. so the combination of these two situations, the high standing of science and it’s materialistic, and might as well throw in relativistic, perspective on cosmology make it very difficult for the church to compete for the minds and souls of people on those terms. to me, the hope is to try and use their own principles against them in the hopes of discrediting their views and maybe convincing people to hear another side. kind of like the way Luther turned his opponents own arguments against them in order to at least discredit their ideas, if not disprove them. am not quite sure how to do it though, after all, it would require some kind of genius (or alien intelligence), but that’s my opinion of the best that can be done short of hoping everyone receives some kind of revelation from above. Which by the way, is really what we all need to believe in something other than what is being taught in schools and spread in the news media now a days. So why not laugh in their face? It is my opinion their ideas are crazy and you can’t really prove them wrong, so perhaps you can show how crazy it is? Maybe not,but why not try? And why not snicker behind their backs? Actually why not snicker right in their face, are you afraid of something? To me they are actually very dangerous and not worth a lot of respect, even though they are very well educated and intelligent, but that is not a reason to respect their position, or be afraid of them. Well, could go on and on, but need to get back to an interesting article on the possibility of multiple, parallel universes….pretty groovy :)

  • ptl

    to Tom above…the church is not going to get a hearing from them if the strategy is to get their attention by trying to disprove science wrong with regard to most of it’s materialistic philosophy of the origins and purpose of the universe and life…at least that is my opinion. and that’s because you will not be able to do that…ever try to debate evolution by trying to discredit the evidence? the piles and piles of complex and complicated material, loaded with all sorts of fancy scientific names and titles, and logic, etc. (just the kind of stuff that impresses folks nowadays!) And science itself has very good credibility with the general public…consider that much of our modern way of life with all it’s conveniences, and improvements in medicine and health, etc. owe it all to the technologies that grew out of scientific advancemenst over the past few hundred years. so the combination of these two situations, the high standing of science and it’s materialistic, and might as well throw in relativistic, perspective on cosmology make it very difficult for the church to compete for the minds and souls of people on those terms. to me, the hope is to try and use their own principles against them in the hopes of discrediting their views and maybe convincing people to hear another side. kind of like the way Luther turned his opponents own arguments against them in order to at least discredit their ideas, if not disprove them. am not quite sure how to do it though, after all, it would require some kind of genius (or alien intelligence), but that’s my opinion of the best that can be done short of hoping everyone receives some kind of revelation from above. Which by the way, is really what we all need to believe in something other than what is being taught in schools and spread in the news media now a days. So why not laugh in their face? It is my opinion their ideas are crazy and you can’t really prove them wrong, so perhaps you can show how crazy it is? Maybe not,but why not try? And why not snicker behind their backs? Actually why not snicker right in their face, are you afraid of something? To me they are actually very dangerous and not worth a lot of respect, even though they are very well educated and intelligent, but that is not a reason to respect their position, or be afraid of them. Well, could go on and on, but need to get back to an interesting article on the possibility of multiple, parallel universes….pretty groovy :)

  • Tom Hering

    ptl, it’s really not a question of arguing science. After all, there’s zero evidence of life on other planets, and zero evidence we’re being visited by aliens – yet Hawkings and others are sure there must be extraterrestrial life. So, their conviction is a belief. And for most people (agnostics and atheists aside) this belief in extraterrestrials is part of a non-Christian spirituality (of one sort or another – it varies from person to person).

    It’s not a question of being afraid of these people, either. Would you snicker at a Muslim you were trying to share the Good News with? Sure, you know he’s laughably wrong about God. But you respect him and speak seriously with him.

    Perhaps you underestimate the fear and darkness some of these people live with.

  • Tom Hering

    ptl, it’s really not a question of arguing science. After all, there’s zero evidence of life on other planets, and zero evidence we’re being visited by aliens – yet Hawkings and others are sure there must be extraterrestrial life. So, their conviction is a belief. And for most people (agnostics and atheists aside) this belief in extraterrestrials is part of a non-Christian spirituality (of one sort or another – it varies from person to person).

    It’s not a question of being afraid of these people, either. Would you snicker at a Muslim you were trying to share the Good News with? Sure, you know he’s laughably wrong about God. But you respect him and speak seriously with him.

    Perhaps you underestimate the fear and darkness some of these people live with.


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