Tim Shipe is an honest man

A former Democrat who is as disillusioned with his party as I am with the GOP warns that Obama is working wilfully to undermine and attack the hierarchy of the Church. I concur. The only Catholics Obama likes are Catholics who hate the Church.

  • Marion (Mael Muire)

    “The only Catholics Obama likes are Catholics who hate the Church.”

    Just so. One of the comments on the linked page alluded (rather chillingly, I thought) to the efforts of the Communists in Hungary (1950s) to break the peoples’ resistance to their complete domination. Their strategy was to pit various groups within Hungary against each other; get them all at each others’ throats, and also to stir up dissent within the Church, tearing away at her unity.

    The plan, in Hungary’s case, worked remarkably well, and that country remained Communist for several decades, resulting in untold misery and suffering for the Hungarian people.

    I believe that a similar campaign has been underway here in the United States since the 1960s. All these ardently aggrieved factions. All these attacks on the Church.

    Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Patroness of the United States of America, pray for us!

  • Andy, Bad Person

    More Dems like Tim, please. I know I tend to lean to the right, but I love when people like Tim shake up my complacency of thought with his take on CST. He’s kept me honest more than once.

    • http://gentillylace.wordpress.com Gentillylace

      I am pretty far to the left in most of my political beliefs, but I am also a practicing Catholic who strives to be loyal to the Magisterium and believes in a consistent-life ethic. I am a Democrat by inheritance, but it is impossible for me to vote for Democratic or Republican candidates (I live in California, where pro-life Democratic candidates are as extinct as the dodo). Since 2010, I have voted blank ballots when it comes to partisan electoral offices. A friend of mine from the Legion of Mary, of which I am a member, states that if I do not vote for Romney, I might as well vote for Obama — but I say a plague on both their houses, metaphorically speaking. We need viable independent and third-party pro-life leftists to run for office, so that the pro-life position is not seen as the sole possession of conservatives.

      • Ted Seeber

        Virgil Goode- whom I can’t bring myself to vote for because of his immigration views being as far outside of the church as my own brain on the subject, and because I’m more obedient to the Church than to my own brain on that subject- claims that as a third party candidate he’ll take far more votes away from Obama than from Romney because of people like you and I. His reasoning seems sound to me- that Obama’s attack on the church is overt, where Romney’s is covert; and the real issues in both are simply not understood by badly catechized Catholics under 60 years of age. Few are likely to educate themselves enough to see Romney’s lies- but Obama has been very transparent with his lies.

  • MarylandBill

    Andy,
    What keeps the Democrats and the Republicans in power is that each party says (and occasionally does) just enough good things to keep the decent rank and file members from bolting. This allows them to rationalize that things would be even worse with the other party in charge.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      Sure. What we also need is a willingness to listen to what the “other side” is actually saying and at least try to assume they’re acting out of honesty. Tim in particular always comes across as genuine and that makes me take his thoughts seriously.

  • mike the analyst

    Andy,
    Not sure how closely you read but Tim is a “Former Democrat.” In his article Tim mentions how he has left the Democratic Party and became Independent. (although he might agree that like myself, Ronald Reagan and countless others – the Democrats left us!) But I can relate to Tim’s frustration in trying to be faithful to the Church’s teaching when trying to reason with those who call themselves Catholic but try to fit the square peg of their ideology in to the round hole of the truth.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      Yes, I know Tim is a former Democrat. It would be great if more Dems were like him, not necessarily leaving the party (although if that’s where their conscience leaves them, have at it), but having the integrity to put principal above affiliation.

      We could use more Republicans like that, too.

    • Sean O

      Take a close look, the Republicans left you a long time ago too.

  • Andy

    In my 40 years of being able to register to vote I have always been an independent – I found that many years ago that the Dems. and the Reps. were only about power and money. It was a bit less obvious then, but it was there. If nothing else today the Dems. and the Reps. are at least more open about power.
    Listening to both sides is something that wee must do; without listening we do not see the corruption and the self-serving nature of today’s politicians. It is indeed difficult if not impossible to find a match between what I believe and try to line in alignment with the church of any size with what either side is saying.
    If all of us simply walked away from parties and started to elect the most qualified person we might see a change in how America is going. I applaud Tim Snipe and his decision and wish that more would join him.

  • thomas tucker

    And then the question I always ponder is: why even consider yourself Catholic if you hate the Church and its teachings?

    • Mark Shea

      “That’s where the xerox machines are.” – Rosemary Radford Reuther

  • Marion (Mael Muire)

    “That’s where the xerox machines are.” – Rosemary Radford Reuther

    Exactly. Plus, as an author (and aren’t they all authors?), you are guaranteed an audience for your books, an audience composed partly of fellow dissenters who are cheering you on, partly of non-Catholics who are curious – sincerely or otherwise – about the Church’s teachings, and partly of Catholic, soon-to-be Catholic, or soon-to-be-ex-Catholic young people, who are still trying to make up their minds about whom and what they are cheering.

    All in all, a much larger readership than one’s book would have boasted, had the author left the Church and whose bio reads “a former Catholic and a former religious sister, who now attends non-denominational services near her small cattle ranch and filling station in Tantooine, Wyoming.”

    • Ted Seeber

      The most awesome thing in that post is that I learned that George Lucas got the name of a planet from a small town in Wyoming. Or was it the other way around?


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