Reader Joe Grabowski Offers a Brand New Meta-Meme

on elementary rules of logic for Generation Narcissus logicians afflicted with Hitleritis:

It turns out that “Being pictured with children” does not equal “HITLER!!!!!!!!  STALIN!!!!!!!! MAO!!!!!!!!!!!”

Joe is not fan of Obama by a long shot. But he is a fan of honesty and clear thinking.

  • Dr. Eric

    I might be using a tu quoque, but how is it a fallacy to compare Obama to Hitler when it comes to gun control, but not a fallacy to compare him to Hitler and Kim Jong Il (using the moniker “Dear Leader”) when it comes to the HHS Mandate?

    • SecretAgentMan

      Because the HHS mandate violates something important, therefore justifying hyperbole. Gun confisctation/registration laws don’t threaten anything that’s important (in fact they protect what is important) and, therefore, hyperbole is unwarranted and unjust. It’s simple!

      The better argument is the one in Mark’s posts about Bob Schieffer’s tantrum.

  • Blog Goliard

    Be that as it may, the cry of “for the children!” is still an extremely reliable indicator that bad law is being made. (Not necessarily evil law…often merely ineffective law, with a side of unintended consequences.)

    Also, I’m going soft on Godwinism after spending time lately trying to engage in moral reasoning with people completely given over to relativism and “non-judgmentalism” (i.e. “it’s wrong to say that anything is wrong, because to deem an act morally wrong is to judge other people, and no one has the right to judge other people–that would be wrong”…you’ve never known baffled frustration until you’ve tried and failed to get someone WITH A PH.D. AFTER HIS NAME to see any of the logical problems here). All too often, only Hitler and Stalin (or, in truly nasty cases, only one of those two) can be relied on as examples of evil and objective moral wrongness in the world.

    This, of course, doesn’t always help…one is often be caught between the Scylla of “that’s just your opinion; it’s wrong to judge another” and the Charybdis of “well, bringing up Hitler is just ridiculous, we’re only talking about abortion here and not mass murder, you crazy idiot”. But it’s all too often all one has anymore.

    • TMLutas

      Try adding suttee (Hindu practice of wife burning) to the mix besides Hitler/Stalin, it can liven up the conversation.

  • Rick

    From my linked post, this comment:

    “While I concur that the “placing myself in a saintly/Christ-like context” is, indeed a fallacy, it’s not ‘composition’.

    This is the data analyst’s “assumed (or alleged) similarities are not similar” fallacy. Also known as “assumed identities not identical.”

    However, yes, we get it: he’s lying with images.”

  • Doug

    From a secular forum I follow:
    “In light of some discussions a few weeks back this provides an obvious defense: “But Mr/Ms Moderator, I was just following Godwin’s Law!”
    Godwin’s law – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”
    :-) I have the link if anyone’s interested, but putting it in here might trigger any anti-spam s/w.