Strange Bedfellows

Loopy New Age Catholic-gone-Episcopalian kook Matthew Fox pauses from celebrating rave masses in some basement in San Francisco to announce that he has joined the sedevacantists to declare that JPII, Benedict and Francis are illegitimate popes.

When you follow the extremes far enough in either direction they always follow the curvature of space and meet again. How good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell together in unity.

For more on the phenomenon of Satanic ecumenism, go here.

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  • Thinkling

    In a really creepy incident last night, one would go the Salon article and instead of a picture of Fox and the pope per the caption, the picture was of the two Steubenville defendants, now convicts.

    Salon. The Boneheadery is strong with that one.

  • acilius

    In fairness to the Reverend Mister Fox, he is not the first Sedevacantist/ Anglican. Old King Henry VIII had the idea that Clement VI was not a legitimate pope. Henry held that the conclave that elevated Clement had been under duress because of the military situation in Rome at the time, and that it was therefore his responsibility, as King of England and Protector of the Faith, to ensure that the life of the church would go on in his realm with as little change as possible during the sede vacante. Granted, almost no one in England or outside of it was convinced by Henry’s arguments, with the result that the radical Protestant movement entered the Church of England, where they became known as the Puritans. And the Puritans were the single most influential faction within Anglicanism for the next 300 years. But in such figures as the Rev. Mr F we can see the true Henrician spirit flashing forth.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      Old King Henry VIII had the idea that Clement VI was not a legitimate pope.

      How funny, since I consider Anne Boleyn to not be a legitimate queen.

  • acilius

    (I meant Clement VII, sorry for the typo.)

  • ivan_the_mad

    I made it through the first three paragraphs. It’s almost too ludicrous to have been written in earnest.

  • Stu

    A while back, though I can’t remember exactly the point, Hans Kung and the SSPX were simultaneously making the same observations about the Papacy. It’s often been said that whether you go too far to the right or left in driving down the road, you end up in a ditch. Perhaps we can add to that, no matter whether you make a left or right hand u-turn, you end up going in the same direction.

  • Ted Seeber

    That’s almost as good as the mainstream media, in their effort to paint Pope Francis as the puppet of 1970s dictators in Argentina, are publishing the propaganda of the Kirchner regime:


    This did not start with Henry VIII but with the Garden where a symbolic couple show us an example of playing God; Jesus and Mary another couple at a new Tree offered us the Truth. Let GOD be GOD and do not try to replace Him as your god.

  • Jamie R

    It’s worth noting that Andrew O’Hehir is a movie critic, and not even a regular reporter.

    I guess it’s appropriate that reporting on Matthew Fox is handled by someone whose job is commenting on fiction.

  • The True Will

    I couldn’t manage to follow this. So, am I failing to read what is stated by the writer, or does “The Schilebecx doctrine” amount to “I don’t like Wojtyla, so he isn’t a real pope”?

  • SDG

    Matthew Fox leaving the Catholic Church for the Episcopalians always reminds me of Jack the Ripper’s awestruck line in Time After Time after escaping Victorian England in H. G. Wells’ time machine and arriving in 1970s New York: “Ninety years ago I was a freak. Today I’m an amateur!” Or, as Fox might say, “In the Catholic Church I was a freak…here I’m an amateur!”

  • MikeTheGeek

    The Episcopal Church Organization is an excellent dumping ground for the remnants of the Catholic Church’s leftist wingnuts. Until the biological solution has its final triumph (which, alas, includes my entire generation), Rome might find it profitable to subsidize the COE and stave off its final collapse into incoherence.

    Trust me on this – I used to be one.

  • deiseach

    So does this (the last two popes were false) mean that the last true pope was John Paul I or Paul VI? And if Paul VI was a true pope, was he part of the “right wing coup which crushed Vatican II” (after all, he did write Humanae Vitae, when – allegedly – his panel of advisors were all ready to green-light limited artificial contraception)?

    I’m obviously not smart enough to be an Episcopalian Catholic sede vacantist so I’ll just have to stick with being an Irish peasant papist :-)

  • Joseph Moore

    Read a couple Matt Fox books back in about 1980. They do serve some slight purpose, as a check on the proper functioning of the mind – if one does not start laughing or vomiting within a few pages, something’s wrong.

  • Stu

    “For more on the phenomenon of Satanic ecumenism, go here.”

    I like the analysis.

  • David J. White

    after escaping Victorian England in H. G. Wells’ time machine and arriving in 1970s New York

    Slight correction, FWIW: in Time After Time, Jack the Ripper (the great David Warner) and H.G. Wells (the great Malcolm McDowell) arrived in 1970s San Francisco, not New York.

    • SDG

      That’s what I get for quoting a 1970s movie that I haven’t seen since it actually was the 1970s. Thanks!

  • Misty

    I have nothing intelligent to add just that I nearly spit out my sweet tater lunch over the “rave mass” line.

  • Mark R

    What does it matter what individual Episcopalians think or how that squares with our own theories of anglicanism, the Archbish of Canterbury I much doubt thinks the See of Peter is empty…as would the prime bishops in union with him.

    • acilius

      Well, if Henry VIII, a king who exercised the power of life and death over his subjects, could lose control of a sedevacantist movement he had founded, with the result that while he was still living it was dominated by radical Protestants and today is the spiritual home of the Rev Mr F, what chance do groups like the Pius Brotherhood have of preserving an antique form of Roman Catholicism? I remember when Anthony Cekada broke away from the Society of Saint Pius V, he said that it was coming to emulate the centralized governance structure of the SSPX, which left that group “one stroke of a pen” away from being subjected to the rule of the Vatican. In that, he sounded eerily like the Puritans who split from the Church of England because its episcopal structure left it vulnerable to subsumption by Rome. And of course, a denomination organized along congregational lines is an infinite number of penstrokes away from union with Rome. I don’t know if the future of today’s sedevacantist organizations will follow the trajectory of the Anglican Communion, but I very much doubt it will lead in any direction that would please Archbishop Lefebvre, Clarence Kelly, or Henry VIII.

  • Devon

    So many ironies with the kooks. Many sedes are former Evangelicals. I guess they despair when they don’t find the human perfection they expect.
    Cenad (tear up the pope’s pic on SLC) O’Connor had herself ordained by a sede group.
    Sedes called for Euthanizing that woman down in FL 8 yrs ago and the SSPV is opposed to capital punishment and calls the teaching of the Church and Councils like Trent & Baltimore on this irrelevant

  • Andrew Attaway

    For an old, but still relevant (and hilarious) examination of Matthew Fox, see Harold Bloom’s .

  • Ed Mechmann

    My head is about to explode. Fox says he’s an arch-conservative, Boff says he’s a crypto-progressive. Which kook to believe?!

  • LaVallette

    Matthew Fox: Should we Catholics apologise to the Epicopalians?

  • midwestlady

    Yay, we have sedevacantists on both sides now. Wait. We did before. Does Matthew Fox know just how redundant this is?