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The Most Popular Moral Heresy in the World

Consequentialism is only a sin when the baby to be aborted does not affect the dogma of the goodness of nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the chances of a Republican victory.

Tom Kreitzberg is right:

To be anti-abortion-in-most-cases is to hold a morally evil position. To be pro-life is to hold a morally good position.

If you can’t tell the difference between good and evil, then you shouldn’t tell Catholics how to vote in the general election.

This is one of the many reasons I no longer take my cues from the Thing that Used to be Conservatism anymore than from the Thing that Used to be Liberalism. The problem is, as Pewsitter demonstrates, lots of people think the Thing that Used to Be Conservatism is coterminous (and often corrective to) the Magisterium when it gets all wussy and liberal-sounding.

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  • Windyrdg

    There’s a disconnect in logic here. The bombings of Japan were acts of war; the abortion of a baby is a personal decision to commit cold-blooded murder.
    The Church has recognized the concept of just wars since Augustine…actually, it was Cicero who first raised the concept. In war, a military commander has to responsibilities: A) defeat the enemy and B) accomplish that task with the least loss of allied personnel. In war, enemy losses count for nothing unless they are gratuitous actions. Case in point, during the First Gulf War Iragi troops were sitting ducks. Swarzkoff could had simply picked them off like targets in a shooting galley as they retreated. He didn’t, even though many said he should have.
    Don’t look now, but your pacifism is showing. The most popular heresy is that Jesus was a pacifist who just wanted to sit around the campfire singing Michael Row the Boat ashore while he made S’mores.

    • S7

      If you’re going to point to Just War doctrine, you might want to learn what it teaches. The indescriminate killing of civilians violates Church teaching.

      From your post, it seems you’re equating Just War doctrine with, “when our side is winning, what we’re doing is good.”

      It has yet to be explained why the allies had to demand “unconditional surrender.” That demand had a lot to do with Japanese resistance.

    • The bombings of Japan were acts of cold-blooded murder in the context of a war. Truman knew exactly what he was doing when he ordered the bombings.

      The context of war does not make something otherwise unjust to magically become justified. Rather, Just War Theory reminds commanders that justice still applies, even on a battlefield.

      Defeating the enemy is not itself a good that it should be pursued. It is a means to an end. The end is the defense of the defenseless. If one is trying to defeat someone who is not a threat to the defenseless, then one has left justice behind.

      • Vicq Ruiz

        This might be a good place to post the list of all those (Allied in uniform, Japanese in uniform, Japanese civilians) who were killed in Operations Coronet, and Olympic, the invasions of the Japanese mainland.

        Here it is.


    • P Adams


      Please learn what the Church teaches about Just War AND what the Church teaches about killing civilians.

      And read your catechism.

    • moseynon

      Windyrdg, you mentioned the Gulf War as an example of US restraint in not attacking Iraqi soldiers as they retreated. However, it might be worth remembering that we did make such attacks, and did so repeatedly.

      As a large column of Iraq troops tried to evacuate Kuwait on a six lane highway leading back to Iraq, we blocked their bath by aerially mining the roadway. This effectively blocked the retreat. Our air force then repeatedly bombed the trapped vehicles over the course of several hours. Hundreds of vehicles were destroyed, and their passengers killed.

      It was this “battle” which convinced President G.H.W. Bush to call off the invasion of Iraq. But it wasn’t the only attack we made on retreating Iraqi troops which resulted in a bloodbath. The Gulf War, although we entered it in the right, was sometimes conducted in the wrong. It wasn’t our finest hour, nor was it always consistent with Just War theory.

  • Dave G.

    It’s tough, that’s the problem. The idea that it’s better that babies die than to tell a lie to save them is something that isn’t easy. And the bombings are just macro-examples of that teaching. It’s especially tough to grasp if it hasn’t been preceded by ‘sell everything you have, give it to the poor, and follow Jesus.’ Somehow bravery shouldn’t be how many others I’m willing to let die rather than commit an evil act to save them, but thank goodness I can get that next app that’s coming out. Somewhere in there is a disconnect and it’s easy to understand why people would struggle, or at least have sympathy for those who struggle with it. Goodness knows I do.