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The authority question is my favorite one to pose to Protestants.
“If two Bible-reading, Jesus-loving Christians disagree on some critical matter of faith (just as Zwengli and Luther did at the Marburg Colloquy) how do you know who is right? How do you determine which is the true interpretation of Scripture?”
This ultimately leads the person to admit there is no way possible. At which point I explain this is why Jesus established a living voice, which rests on the rock of Peter.
You really hit a home run with that article, Mark.
80% of catholics don’t go to mass and only 30% believe in the Real Presence…I think the ref needs to blow the whistle…loudly.
The ref needs to blow the whistle on the Church’s own scam of manufacturing Catholics independent of any adult informed consent and real desire to BE Catholic. The vast majority of Catholics got that way by cultural and ethnic default, not because of any conscious choice or belief.
Barbaric propagandistic apostate.
Guilty as charged, but that hardly addresses the underlying point.
The only accurate word in your bigoted and hateful rant is “manufacture” for indeed part of the Sacrament of Confirmation is the laying on of hands. Otherwise you have not shown that the Sacrament is administered to those under the locality’s age of consent or the cultural consensus of the age of reason. Infantilizing Squealer.
Eh…I’m with him on this one. I could lose a couple of fingers and still count on one hand the amount of people Confirmed with me that are still Catholic. Of those that remain…well, if they understand anything of Church teaching or theology, they didn’t pick it up in the classes. The catechesis is crap. And entire generations are being lost for it.
Perhaps you bring up a different point: that of remaining faithful to one’s Baptismal vow – a vow we get to renew at least annually. Recall that assenting to the Sacrament of Confirmation transfers responsibility from our parents (or godparents or sponsors) to ourselves. Confirmation is an initiation into adulthood – self-responsibility – and it is a contradiction to delay initiation into adulthood until one is an adult.
The union of Christ and His Church is described as a spousal relationship. Given divorce statistics it is easy to see that fidelity to a person is difficult for some contemporary peoples; it stands to reason that fidelity to the Person of Christ is also difficult for them. However I find the excuse “if only I’d not been so young when I got married” to be facile – sometimes fidelity is only through dint of fortitude, itself a grace.
Thank you for letting me know about your fellow confirmands. I’ll will be glad to join with you in prayer that they return to the Lord’s table – they are missed.
It’s a waste of everyone’s time. When I was confirmed, we were all 14. It’s beyond absurd to consider someone that age an adult for any purpose whatever. I’ve heard the age is more commonly 17 or 18 these days, but that’s still pretty young for someone who hasn’t done any independent living and who usually hasn’t had any significant exposure to any other belief systems to truly understand what they’re buying into. In any case, you’re considered irrevocably Catholic from baptism, confirmed or no, apostate etc. So the Church gets to claim membership of 1 point some bazillion members, and then spends the rest of the waking day whining about how so few Catholics seem to be “with the program.”
Confirmation is not when you become a Catholic “adult”, nor is it tied to adulthood, nor is it when you appropriate the faith for yourself. Those are all good and necessary things, but they’re not what Confirmation is.
A fine display of Boomer poison that floats in the West: “I did not like X when I was a teenager so no one ought to have the choice – make a law against X!” The most dangerous type of fanatic: an adolescent eschewing accountability posturing as a man.
I don’t recall advocating for a law against anything. I’m pointing out the obvious fact that an organization where membership is conferred with no conscious choice or buy-in will never have unity of purpose or belief. The Church of course is free to baptize and confirm at whatever age they want, but if they do things the same way, they should expect the same results.
When kenofken is right, he’s right.