Stop Slogan-Voting. Stop Hate-Voting. Stop Being Manipulated. Part 3. Puppet People = Legislators Who Can’t Take the Heat

Public Catholic exists because of two events.

1. President Obama declared war on my church. I first learned about the (then) proposed HHS Mandate forcing religious institutions to purchase insurance that paid for contraceptives, abortifacients and sterilization in the fall of 2011. I knew immediately that this was an unprecedented attack on religious freedom. I also saw it as a deliberate attempt to destroy the Church’s moral voice by forcing it to compromise its teachings in the face of government power. I had known for a long time that Christianity in general, and the Catholic Church in particular, was under growing secularist attack. But this mandate went beyond what I thought any President would do.

2. The Republican-led Oklahoma House of Representatives killed over half the pro-life bills backed by Oklahomans for Life in 2012. They used exactly the same tactics the Democrats had used to kill pro-life bills for decades. When Oklahomans for life attempted to hold them accountable in the same manner they had held Democrats accountable in the past, House leadership became verbally abusive with pro-life activists.

They carried this so far that a prominent pro-life activist who had spent decades in the trenches fighting for life and who had basically gotten these people elected to office wrote a cowering letter of apology to the House Republicans. Pro life leaders apologized to so-called “100% pro-life” Republicans for expecting them to vote pro-life. Think about it.

The first event — the HHS Mandate — got me out of my chair. The second — the arrogant, heartless, hypocritical killing of pro-life bills by “pro-life” legislators — set me in motion.

I knew before they killed these bills that the official Republican Party hierarchy was lying about being pro-life. I knew the money backers who really run the party thought that all this religious stuff their candidates spouted was an embarrassment. I knew they regarded it as a necessity that they had to allow in order to gain power for themselves. I also knew that some of the legislators in both parties were phony Christians and phony pro-life supporters who just said and did what they had to in order to win elections. I knew this, had known it for years.

But I would have staked my reputation on the sincerity of some of the others. I would have defended them anywhere, to anyone. When I saw these people I believed in turn their backs on the babies, it took the air out of my lungs.

I fought all this. I mean, I fought it. I spoke at press conferences, debated and tried to kill ruse votes on the floor. Then, I went to my colleagues one at a time, trying to get enough support to force a vote on the  personhood bill. It takes hours to do this by yourself, but at the end of the day, you know, and I mean you know how people stand on the issue.

I didn’t release this tally to the press. That’s not the way I operate. But I did share it with my colleagues who were working with me to try to get a vote on this pro-life bill. Somehow or other, it ended up getting printed. About 10% of the members of both parties were willing to go against the leadership and demand a vote on the bill. The rest of them caved to the manipulations and the pressure.

Exactly what kind of pressure made all these “100% pro-life” legislators turn their backs on what they said they believed?

They were faced with:

1. Threats of having an inside group of consultants who were hired by the leadership run candidates against them in their next campaign. They were threatened with well-funded puppet people opponents. It went without saying that they would lose the machine that had elected them. Since they were puppet people themselves, this was scary stuff.

2. “Lobbying” from the State Chamber of Commerce which told them that “social issues” such as pro-life legislation created a bad business environment. They were told that being pro-life and supporting other moral values made Oklahomans look like a bunch of hayseeds. In other words, they were convinced (and it wasn’t too hard to convince them) to be ashamed of the morals and values they had touted when they wanted to get elected.

3. Shunning by their pals. By this I mean the we-won’t-speak-to-you/eat-lunch-with-you/tell-you-jokes/sit-with-you grade school discipline of being on the outs with your caucus, your party, your team. I’ve experienced this. My own party nearly censured me for passing a pro-life bill. Our local liberal newspaper, The Oklahoma Observer, publishes demands for me to be kicked out of the party on a fairly regular basis. I haven’t been to a party function in years because I don’t like being called names and looked at like I’m a lower form of life.

Being genuinely pro-life will get you in trouble with the real “haters” of American politics, and that’s a fact.

I put up with all this and by the grace of God, I kept going. But the puppet people couldn’t take the hurt and ran away in fear of a competitive election campaign. They betrayed what they said they believed, turned their backs on innocent unborn children, because they wanted an easy re-election to office and to be invited out to lunch with the guys.

Even though this happened in Oklahoma, it could happen anywhere. It has happened just about everywhere. The bewildering lack of courage shown by puppet people who hold elective office isn’t just an Oklahoma problem. It may not even be just an America problem. It exemplifies why electing puppet people is such a disaster for this nation, and ultimately, for our world. It also shows why, no matter who we elect, nothing changes.

The reasons I’ve concentrated on the Republicans in this is because (1) they were the ones with the power, and  (2) they are the party that claims to be pro-life. I am outraged by the way Democratic party activists treat the pro-life people in their midst, by their hostility and attacks on Democrats who support traditional values and their mindless championing of anything that attacks the sanctity of human life.

But what I’m talking about in this post is the flat-out betrayal of pro-life people by legislators who claimed to be pro-life, campaigned as pro-life and were elected for being pro-life. Those pro-life bills weren’t killed by Democrats. They were killed by Republican legislators that thousands of trusting pro-life people had worked and sacrificed to elect.

The “pro-life” Republicans didn’t start out this way. They fought for pro-life legislation, rather than killing it, when they were on their march to power. It was only after they had taken over the state government, picked up all the marbles, that they turned against the issues and people who had supported them in election after election. I’ll go into how and why I think this happened in Part 4.

In the meantime, listen to me carefully: We will never overturn Roe v Wade, we will not save traditional marriage, we will not stop the tide of killing that is euthanasia, organ buying, baby selling, human trafficking, not so long as we continue to elect puppet people to office.

Why? Because they represent the powerful interests that financed their enormously expensive campaigns, rather than the people who elected them. Because they can’t think their way out of a paper bag. Because they don’t have any guts. Because, not to put too fine a point on it, they get hysterical and run and hide at the least bit of opposition.

Do they feel bad about any of this? Not that I can see. I’ve come to the conclusion that it is impossible to overestimate the political amnesia of a political puppet. Less than two weeks after he worked to kill the Personhood bill, I had one of them look me in the eye and tell me, “I would stand for pro-life even if  it meant the lives of my own children.” I think he thought he was telling me the truth.

I didn’t argue with him. There comes a point where there is no point.

“There are none so blind as those who will not see.” John Heywood said that a long time ago. I was blind once. I helped kill unborn babies and honestly did not comprehend what I was doing. But, back when I was doing pro-choice things, I at least knew that I was pro-choice. I wasn’t living under the delusion that I was pro-life.

This post is deeply personal to me. Too personal, really. I’m not over this enough to talk about it in public. I decided to go ahead because the American people deserve to know this. Nothing, but nothing, is more on point than a letter from the front lines.

It’s really a simple equation.

Puppet People = Legislators Who Can’t Take the Heat

  • Catholic Nomad Girl


    That has to be hard to go through what you describe. It is so good that you did not cave in because of it!

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      I took some of these things pretty hard. But they are nothing compared to what other Christians are suffering right now, at this moment. There was no question of “caving in.” That would mean turning my back on Jesus.

      • The Catholic Nomad: Reclaiming the Sacred

        Thank goodness you stayed strong! God bless you. We need people like you out there!

        • Rebecca Hamilton

          Thank you. Blessings.

          • Fabio P.Barbieri

            In fact I keep saying you should run for President. Perhaps it would be hard to get up there. But genuineness and courage have a way of making themselves felt and noticed.

  • JessicaHof

    The Cross you bear in that of the Lord, and may He continue to guard and guide you. You are an inspiration. So many voters feel that politicians are all the same and therefore not worth voting for. You offer hope to those of us who feel like that. Democracy needs people like you.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Jessica, God led me to a change of heart and then nurtured and loved me. I am not an inspiration. What He can do with a human heart — any human heart — is the inspiration.

      • JessicaHof

        So true Rebecca – and if we have the humility, and the courage, you have shown in Him, then all will be well.

  • Peter Wiebe

    You paint a sad political picture. I fear that Canadian politics is not that different. Our Ontario government recently passed anti-bullying legislation that recognizes 7 different genders! I thought there were only 2. You can see the hands of special interest groups all over it.

    May God strengthen you mightily in your work so that your courage will not fail you.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you Peter. I’m beginning to think that these problems are rife in both our countries.

    • Ted Seeber

      Only 7? Some portions of the United States Federal Government now recognize 9.

  • Noel Williams (prhayz)

    The HHS mandate that you referenced in your post does not exist. A compromise was reached, and the burden of providing contraceptives is on the insurance company. The Catholic Church does not operate health insurance companies.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Hi Noel and welcome back! Haven’t heard from you in a while. I disagree with your contention that the so-called compromise the President put out several months ago effectively altered the attack on religious freedom created by the HHS Mandate. I believe the mandate is just as egregious as it was before the compromise. This is a small summary There are many others which go into more detail that I can reference if you’d like.

    • Ted Seeber

      The compromise was never implemented, and even as stated, was inadequate to the task and *utterly failed* to actually address the Catholic Church’s main concern: the redefinition of religious organizations to ONLY include those who serve people of the same religion.

      The contraception stuff, and who pays for it, is a bit of a red herring in comparison to pushing *every* Catholic organization that isn’t a church, either out of the church or out of business.

  • Godversations

    God Bless you for your courage. “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first” (Jn 15:18)

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you!

      This is something Christians in America have come to ignore. But times are changing and I think we will all need to remember it and realize that it applies to us.

      ““If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first” (Jn 15:18)”

  • Beverly

    May God help us, Rebecca, and may He richly bless you for your courage, conviction, and fidelity.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you Beverly, but I am nothing special. We are all of us called to stand for Jesus, wherever we are, whatever we do.

  • neenergyobserver

    “In the meantime, listen to me carefully. Barring a Supreme Court decision, we will not revoke the HHS Mandate, we will never overturn Roe v Wade, we will not save traditional marriage, we will not stop the tide of killing that is euthanasia, organ buying, baby selling, human trafficking, not so long as we continue to elect puppet people to office.

    Why? Because they represent the powerful interests that financed their enormously expensive campaigns, rather than the people who elected them. Because they can’t think their way out of a paper bag. Because they don’t have any guts. Because, not to put too fine a point on it, they get hysterical and run and hide at the least bit of opposition.”

    I couldn’t agree more.

    God Bless you, Rebecca, and keep you. You are an inspiriation.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Back at you, dear friend.

  • abcinsc

    Reblogged this on The Peanut Gallery and commented:
    Thank you for your honesty and openness. I asked “Forest Gump” (see my earlier post) what his core principles were – he gave me a blank stare. The best political reasoning that I’ve ever heard starting from the position of “Life” came from Rick Santorum… and he has paid a price as well. God Bless you.

  • Steve Evans

    St John of the Cross said,
    “The serene peace and spiritual sweetness that the Lord gives is not the type of inner peace for which we normally hunger.
    We want a peace that merely comforts and coddles, because we do not like to be challenged or changed. And so we make the mistake of thinking we have peace, when really we are receiving comfort – temporal and temporary as it is – from our strong hold on the security and assurance that comes only from without.
    The peace that flows into us from the Lord satisfies the soul with full assurance that He is still for us, even as we are being taken through fire – in which we can be changed into His likeness.”
    Fortress of Light

    Continue to be brave and bold and unpopular in human eyes for the sake of righteous truth. Thank you for your voice and for your courage to speak Christ’s truth in the face of Satanic deception and sinful compromise.

    Blessings, in Christ,

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you Steve. Your comment is almost poetic, and so powerful. I have never seen that quote before. It is wonderful, and very true.

  • freerosarys

    “Give me Liberty or Give me Death” Patrick Hhenry

    • Ted Seeber

      Maybe that needs to now be “Give me Life, without which Liberty is worthless!”

  • Rebecca Hamilton

    Hopefully, it won’t come to that. But the only way to stop it is for all of us to step out of our comfort zones and stand for what we believe.

  • The Diatribe Guy

    A gazillion people have probably nominated you for these weird blog awards that I don’t fully understand. But since I’m here, I’ll let you know that I nominated you for two of them.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you much! Nice to see you back.

  • Men of One Accord

    We shall always make mention of you in our prayers, remembering without ceasing your work of faith in our Lord Christ Jesus. We will give thanks for boldness in speaking the truth and pray that remain strong and steadfast In the Lord as He has establish a guard against the evil one. AMEN!

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you for your prayers.

  • servusfidelis

    I guess it was what we all know and wish we didn’t: that both parties are corrupt and that the elites of both parties don’t take moral stands, they take political stands. Pro-life is just another issue to debate and garner support for their next election. Very few will put their next run for office in jeopardy by being TOO darn extreme in their views. So they play politics and the people that elected them get pro-life light.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      I agree.

    • Noel Williams (prhayz)

      You have said a mouthful my friend. Politics is a dirty game.

  • pastorjeffcma

    I am not sure how to give a standing ovation in a comment section. This post is deserving of one!! Not only your courage in posting, but your obvious courage and conviction in living it out. Thank you so much! Any of us that follow politics have seen this play out so often–good candidates get elected and then “cave.” And we have known the pressure is intense, but have not been truly aware of what that looked like. Thanks for your service and courage.aware

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you, Pastor Jeff!

  • julian

    Ms. Hamilton, you are a hero! Keep at it. The best thing you can do is pull back the covers on the monied interests at play here. There was a very good conversation last week on Jonathan Turley’s blog about party leadership at both the DNC and RNC railroading people with a top-down agenda setting and ignoring opposing voices from WITHIN their parties. One thing Elizabeth Warren got right, last week “everyone feels disenfranchised right now. ” She’ll disappoint just as quick, (I couldn’t vote for here anyway, although I do like her). The point is, its seems that exposing the oligarchy is our best chance for re-gaining some sense that we are a republic and not an empire. Regardless, in all things we must continue to stand for and defend life! Thank you again for everything you’re doing and for telling your story.

  • LindaO

    This is an enlightening post and truly reveals what has been happening in our two-party system. It certainly explains a lot…So many people are fed up with both parties right now and tending toward tea party/libertarian/independent. It is easy to despair but I know we must not do that.

    I’m looking forward to Part IV!

  • Jeff

    Rebecca, thank you for confirming what I’ve long suspected but wanted desperately to not be true. Keep fighting, and keep shining the light of truth for all to see.

  • EMS

    I think it’s time for a legitimate 3rd party in this country. The Republicans were one before the Civil War, so it can be done. I am sick to death of both parties and have pretty much given up on voting for anyone, have for a good many years.

  • Rachel

    God bless you Rebecca and all that you do. This is an awesome post and awesome series. I have tried to tell other people, especially conservative Catholics about these things but they practically say that one would be committing a moral sin if they didn’t vote for “pro-life” (ie. republican) candidates. Could you perhaps move down here to Florida and get elected to our state legislature? I would vote for you in a heartbeat? How about a national run?? :). Keep up the good work. I know its tough out there.

  • Bob Seidensticker


    I’m sure you’ve heard this before, but on your point #1, the burden imposed on the church is simply that they can no longer impose their view of reality on other people. OK, I see the change, but I don’t have much sympathy.

    The church is free to teach a pro-life position, but as an employer, they must follow the rules.

    • Dave

      And when the “rules” state that employers must PAY to provide coverage for practices that are gravely evil according to one’s religious beliefs, what then?

      Look, I doubt that the Jewish kosher deli would be particularly perturbed if a customer goes and gets a pork sandwich at lunchtime at the BBQ stand outside on the sidewalk, but once the government tells the same deli that they will have to allow the BBQ stand to come inside their deli and then PAY for that pork sandwich, then the line is crossed.

    • c matt

      Bob, no one is forced to work for a Catholic employer. If you don’t like the job or its benefits, get a different one. No one is stopping you from buying your own contraceptives. No one is imposing their views, except for the government on Catholic or other employers who disagree. I assume, for you to be consistent, you also agree with pharmacists being able to refuse to dispense contraceptives – after all, wouldn’t that be the employer (Walgreens or CVS) imposing their view on the employee? Truth is, the “law” is the imposition of its view of reality on other people.

  • Mary

    Amen. I am 25-years-old and I am the only pro-life, pro-traditional-marriage, person I know. Among my peers I am a rare oddity. As the political minority, I have always kept my mouth shut whenever these issues have been debated in my social circle but thanks to your inspirational courage I am finding my voice and starting to openly defend these important truths. Oklahoma is lucky to have you. Keep defending the truth—you are inspiring another generation.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Mary, you have made my day! Blessings to you.

  • Dave

    Thank you so much for your courage, Rebecca! This confirms what most of us already know at some level is true, but were hoping might not be.

    This should be read by everyone in America. It doesn’t just apply to pro-life, but to any issue that the grassroots advocates for. Oklahoma is perhaps the most pro-life state in the union, and if this can happen there, it can and will happen anywhere.

    If this is what goes on at the state level, you know it is 50 times worse at the federal level. Instead of maybe 10% who are willing to stick to their convictions…it might be 1% at the federal level. This totally explains why Ron Paul could not get more than a handful of legislators to support his pro-life bills, such as the Sanctity of Life Act and the We The People Act, that would have actually DONE something about abortion.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Well said Dave. I agree with you that it must be many times worse at the federal level. Makes me shudder.

  • lbkennett

    Evangelical are used by the Republican Party. Think someday they will figure it out?

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      My hope is that Christians will stop bending their faith to fit their political parties, and start making their political parties bend to fit their faith.

  • Rev. Katherine Marple

    My dear sister, as you know I have a heck of a time with ‘prolife republicans’ (notice no caps). When I see these people ‘defending’ Life, I feel outrage and a kind of pity for them; they seem so robotic in what they say and do. You are aware of a situation that I had with my State Senator and soon they will be back in session. Your insight and the place where you are as a Prolife Democrat intrigues me and inspires me. I will always appreciate your critique and your discernment.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you so much Rev Katherine. I feel the same way about your work and witness.

  • Rev. Katherine Marple

    And one more thought…what is unfortunate is that we think we know Democrats from what we see; Reid, Pelosi, Stabenow, Boxer…you made me rethink my position. When we ‘turncoat’ from what we knew, shunning is expected. Quite honestly, it gives me strength that I never knew I had and I can see it does for you as well. To God I give the Glory.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      “To God I give the Glory.”

      What you said.

  • Indy

    You are in my prayers Rebecca. Thank you for helping us all to find our courage to be the people who follow Christ. I look forward to the day that our paths will cross and I can give you a hug.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you ((Indy))

  • sally

    Keep fighting the good fight, Rebecca! It’s a trying and exhausting one, but at the end you will be able to look God in the face and say I did my very best. I hope that people will begin to see past advertising when they vote, but it seems that won’t happen before the country falls to ruin. They have no idea that the “way of life” that America is will come to an end and we will become post-war Germany, post-fall Russia, etc. America can fall and it will if serious changes aren’t made. Thank you for standing in the face of the tide for us all.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Thank you Sally. I am afraid that exactly what you fear will come to pass. Keep praying.

  • Arkenaten

    I am curious, in the event of a staunch Catholic being elected to the office of the Presidency,would it be possible for the President to pass a bill making abortion illegal?

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      The president does not have the power to pass a law at all. Recent presidents have taken the power to issue executive orders to the level of law-making. In my opinion, this is a frightening broadening of their powers which should be hedged in, either by statute or the courts.
      The president could not, and neither can the Congress, pass a law making abortion illegal. The reason is that the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is a Constitutional right. No one in this country can pass a law (or at least pass a law and have it stand; they can PASS it, it would just be struck down) that will overturn the Constitution.
      The only way to address this is by way of a Constitutional amendment. Pro life people have been trying for 40 years to pack the Supreme Court with pro life justices who would change the earlier ruling on abortion, and it has been an abysmal failure that has done great harm to the country. Even if they should one day succeed, all that would most likely accomplish is to return the decision about abortion to the states. In my opinion, that’s where it should have been left in the first place, but that would in no way make abortion illegal. It would simply de-federalize it.

      • Arkenaten

        Thank you, Rebecca, for the explanation. I am not that au fait with American law or its constitution.
        If memory serves, though, abortion was illegal at one time, am I right?
        Certainly, in a country like Eire, all forms of contraception were outlawed, and there was no ‘abortion on demand’ as far as I am aware.
        If the Republicans win the election, how do the Mormons stand on this issues? Would they likely try to push for a change in the constitution regarding abortion and contraception?

        • Anymouse

          Abortion was criminalized by the States, not by the Federal government. The Federal government was not originally supposed to handle those issues.

        • Rebecca Hamilton

          Douglas, what Anymouse says is true. The Supreme Court stepped in nd made abortion a federal issue. It was a state issue before Roe v Wade.

          As for contraception, the answer is the same as with abortion. The Supreme C0urt has ruled that laws limiting the sale or prescription of contraceptives are unconstitutional. All this talk about contraception being threatened is just lying to get votes and excuse other things.

          Our Constittuion sets A,merica apart from most democracies. No elected office can overturn Constittuional rights. The president, the only official who is elected by all the people, has a big voice and a lot of power. But he is not an elected dictator. Virtually any action a president takes can be undone by Congress if they have the will.

          • Arkenaten

            Interesting….thanks for that.
            As an aside, I see there is a growing call to boycott these elections rather than vote for either candidate. (The point being that neither is a ‘Christian’ . Hmmm) A site calling itself Vote for Jesus has apparently attracted over 250,000 ‘votes’ from Americans.
            Do you wonder if your job is in any danger in the near future, Rebecca?
            Come to think of it, you would probably consider it a welcome ‘job redundancy’, I guess?
            Just kidding ;)

            • Rebecca Hamilton

              Well … if Jesus was on the ballot, I’d withdraw from the race and through my support to Him.

              Seriously, no, I don’t worry about my job being in danger. The House seat I represent doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to the people who live there. I am just who they’ve chosen to be their voice in government. But it’s their job I have … not mine.

          • Fabio P.Barbieri

            “Our Constitution sets America apart from most democracies. No elected office can overturn Constitutional rights.”
            I hate to contradict you, but I have heard this crap from too many Americans. They think they are the ones who invented a written Constitution (the Papacy’s Egidian Constitutions were in being for more than four centuries when the USA were founded) and that they are the only ones who understand it. Rubbish. Every country with a written Constitution (that is, every country except for Israel and the United Kingdom) has rules that it cannot cross, that define the national political life, and that are defended by a powerful Constitutional Court. In Italy, for instance, it is a constitutional principle that the State has the duty to protect and preserve the country’s natural and artistic heritage; also, that popular referendums are allowed only for the abolition of existing laws, not to create new ones. (This is to preserve Parliament’s exclusive right to MAKE law.) These are a few of a number of rules set out in the constitution and that nobody can cross without being taken to court.

  • Rev. Andrew P. Carrozza

    Keep up the good fight!

  • Sus

    “The House seat I represent doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to the people who live there. I am just who they’ve chosen to be their voice in government. But it’s their job I have … not mine.”

    Oh my! Can you imagine how our government would be if every elected official believed this?

  • Fabio P.Barbieri

    “It may not even be just an America problem”
    Heavens, no! Just look at what passes for a governing class in every country in Europe. And the miserable joke is that, having fostered this kind of creature, having raised them to political power, having made sure that they had no manhood or intellect, the money men, now that the economy is in trouble, ask aloud for strong and clear-headed leadership! If there was a Gladstone, a Cavour, even a Bismarck, anywhere, you people would have destroyed him before he got to Parliament. Now shut your collective gobs and enjoy the world you made. And I am using much more moderate language than I naturally would because there are words I would not use in a lady’s blog.

  • talonspoint

    Much of the attack on the Catholic Church comes from within including by those who profess faith in Christ but have no Christ in them. The Apostle Paul had very clear direction on how to deal with such false believers. Its time for the Catholic Church to stop chasing member income and start ex communicating those who do not live by the tenants of their inferred faith in Christ.

    Also “from within” is the George Soros funded “Faith in Public Life” which includes the notoriously leftist “Nuns on a Bus” progressive lobbyists. Why the Catholic Church allows such pathogens within its body is a question that may only be answered as the Book of Revelation unfolds before us.

    • hamiltonr

      talonspoint, please don’t call people things like “pathogens.” You might say that their behavior is pathogenic. But not that they themselves are “pathogens.”

      • talonspoint

        I’ll not split hairs about it. If they were acting in well meaning ignorance I might well grant your position holds merit but as their behavior is SPECIFICALLY intended to be pathogenic in the body of Christ I stand by my words. The fact that the Catholic church tolerates such vile twisting of the gospel of Christ to empower this worlds authorities who draw much of their power through violating virtually every commandment of God is reprehensible. The fact that virtually half of voting Catholics “cast their lot” with blood lusting eugenicists is not something I would want to explain on the day of reckoning.

        • hamiltonr

          talonspoint, I’m allowing this because you are new here, and I want you to be able to continue commenting on this blog if you would like. I think everyone here enjoys good discussion. However, this is not debatable. I do not and will not allow name-calling on this blog. Check the blog rules. You can express yourself without that.

          • talonspoint

            I speak truth. The term used was a simple yet accurate metaphor. My comments are not anti Catholic nor in error. There is a spiritual war taking place and those I referred to are carrying that war to the Catholic church and sadly being allowed to dig trenches behind the lines. Since my comments must be scrubbed of such bluntness I will simply step back. I will say however that what is taking place in our society vindicates my views.

            • hamiltonr

              You can say what you want to say — and you’ll be more effective doing it — if you avoid name-calling. I have no problem with your viewpoint, btw. But this blog practices civility. You are welcome to post here. Just don’t call other people names. Think of me as your mother, telling you to eat without putting your elbows on the table. :-)

              • talonspoint

                This is your blog so I will leave this final post as a question for you to ponder. I do not need to have the last word so there will be no responses to anything you might add.

                Question: Was Christ being “uncivil” when he called those who had prostituted God’s words “broods of vipers” and said they were like “white washed tombs full of dead men’s bones?” Was he being uncivil when he took a whip to the money changers and flipped over their tables? Was I uncivil compared to Christ when accurately describing the very intent of those who seek the harm of the Catholic church? It should be noted that while a follower of Christ I’m not even a Catholic, yet often show more care about the internal war against the Catholic church then those who are within.

                God’s grace to you.