God Bless You: President Obama to Planned Parenthood

I think this speaks for itself.

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  • Bill S

    You have in your mind a concept of a God who hates abortion. President Obama has a different concept of God. I personally don’t agree with either.

    • http://fpb.livejournal.com/ Fabio P.Barbieri

      What you think of God, or what the President thinks of God, or even what I think of God, is not of any great importance. What matters is what God thinks of us. And if God favours abortion, then He is stupid, which I find hard to believe.

    • Theodore Seeber

      I have in mind a concept of evolution that hates abortion, for abortion reduces diversity in the human species. No need to even bring God into it.

      Abortion is my proof that secular humanism is neither secular nor humanist.

  • Theodore Seeber
  • http://jessicahof.wordpress.com/ Jessica Hoff

    Rebecca has in her mind a God who thinks the womb should be the safest place for a baby, if your God doesn’t think that, get in touch with the Christian God.

  • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

    This had to be one of the worst moments in presidential history. Clearly he knew that this was a sensitive issue for religious people. To say “God Bless You” to the abortion industry is a spit in the face of religious people. Whatever one’s position on abortion, sensitivity is warrented, at least by the president of the United States. What a despicable man.

    I blogged on this at my political blog:
    http://jscafenette.com/2013/04/27/obamas-biggest-disgrace-yet/

  • Bill S

    “Rebecca has in her mind a God who thinks the womb should be the safest place for a baby, if your God doesn’t think that, get in touch with the Christian God.”

    How do you know what God thinks? Aren’t you just projecting that on an imaginary god who you think you know personally?

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Bill, you’re being obnoxious. This isn’t a discussion. It’s you, peppering people with worn-out questions about their beliefs. This particular one has been raised by you — and several others — on this blog a number of times. I don’t believe you’re discussing. I think you’re attacking.

      I’ll answer this particular question for myself. I believe and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, as found in the Gospels and interpreted by the Catholic Church. Now. How do you “know” that these things are not what God thinks? Or are you just projecting your rage about homosexuality onto Him — and all the rest of us — as a sort of psychological big get even?

    • Tom

      We know what God thinks, because he tells us in the Bible …. duh.

    • http://fpb.livejournal.com/ Fabio P.Barbieri

      Let’s just ask this. Do you think God is stupid? No? Then why should He favour crimes committed by humans, when He could perform them all Himself far more efficiently? And do you think God is wicked? No? then why would he bless people who do what even most of its supporters know to be an awful thing? Why should God “bless” destruction for any reason, if He is not stupid and He is not wicked?

      • Bill S

        “Do you think God is stupid?”

        Stupid is a bit too harsh. What about the concept of the blind watchmaker? Wouldn’t the real God be the intelligence that set the universe in motion and laid down all of the laws and constants needed to ultimately lead to intelligent human beings like us? Do you really think that such an intelligence really gives a bother about the deaths of unborn fetuses? The whole mechanism of natural selection uses death to weed out the weak and less intelligent and have the strong and more intelligent thrive. Why would such an intelligence even be capable of caring about the unborn, still born, whatever? If you insist on using the word “God”, then at least use it for something useful like such an intelligence.

  • FW Ken

    The interesting question is how much money the tax-funded Planned Parenthood gave Candidate Obama. The New York Times is probably the best figure: 5.8 million. I have, however seen claims closer to 15 million.

  • FW Ken

    You do have to note the irony of the first black president pandering to an organization born in racism of the most raw story. Eugenics was not an ideology born of concern for black people. Concerned “with” yes, not concerned “for”.

    • Theodore Seeber

      “We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” – Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, 1939

      “God bless you” – President Obama to Planned Parenthood, 2013

  • Bill S

    ” I believe and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, as found in the Gospels and interpreted by the Catholic Church. ”

    According to the Gospels, which were not written until many years after the events that they describe, Jesus did not address abortion. So there is nothing about it for the Catholic Church to interpret.

    When he spoke about the Jewish laws, he took them one step further. When talking about the law not to kill, he took it further to cover hateful words to one another. The only other thing he said about killing was that those who live by the sword die by the sword. That’s it. Nothing about abortion, contraception or other Planned Parenthood services.

    President Obama’s relationship to his God does not bind him to the teachings of the Catholic Church. So he has every right to say “God bless you” to whomever he wishes.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      The president has the same right as any other American to say what he wishes. Conversely other Americans have the right to find saying God bless you to an organization that has directly taken so many human lives appalling.

      “President Obama’s relationship to his God does not bind him to the teachings of the Catholic Church. So he has every right to say “God bless you” to whomever he wishes.”

    • http://fpb.livejournal.com/ Fabio P.Barbieri

      Jesus did not address rape, high treason, embezzlement, fraud, forgery, genocide, or Madonna songs – ahem, “songs” – either. Does that mean that Christians are allowed to do all those nice things?

    • 4dojo

      The scripture does address infanticide many times. Moses decreed that if a man hits a pregnant woman, and this causes the baby to be born early and die, then the man must be put to death as “a life for a life”. Later, several of Israel’s kings had the people sacrifice their firstborn children to Molech. The scripture calls this and “abomination” and Josiah destroyed the practice “that no man might make his son or his daughter pass through the fire.” The scripture also shows that unborn babies are alive. John the Baptist, filled with the Holy Spirit, leaped in his mother’s womb. Jacob and Esau fought it the Rebecka’s womb.

    • T Barry

      To say “GOD Bless You” concerning a industry like Plan Parenthood is like inviting GOD ALMIGHTY to partake in this company’s sin,,

      Nowhere does the BIBLE ever say that the Father,Son or the Holy Spirit gives any woman permission to have her baby butchered for any reason

      this is not the operation of the Holy Spirit this is the operation from another spirit ..

  • Bill S

    “…other Americans have the right to find saying God bless you to an organization that has directly taken so many human lives appalling.”

    Yes. This is true. Those like myself would prefer that the President take a completely secular position and not say “God bless …” anything. Either he has enough faith in God to say it or is just saying it as a figure of speech or a reflex like when someone sneezes. I’m not convinced of his real faith. In that sense, he is like any other politician. My opinion of him is more favorable if he truly is a man of faith and not just faking it.

    Don’t say it. I know what you are thinking.

  • pagansister

    Just a reminder that PP ALSO performs other services besides abortions—my daughter at one time was able to get contraception from them. So as much as folks dislike the organization for one of their many services, they still serve a purpose beyond that one.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      Pagansister, there is no reason for government dollars to go to Planned Parenthood. The same funding could supply those services w/o supporting abortion by simply funding some other organization or doing it through local health departments.

      Private donations are another thing. But the government gives massive amounts of money to Planned Parenthood, and I do not think it should.

    • Theodore Seeber

      And since contraception is just more pesticide for human beings, that’s better than abortion exactly how?

  • Bill S

    “And since contraception is just more pesticide for human beings, that’s better than abortion exactly how?”

    Really Ted? Pesticide? This is why no one is taking Catholics seriously anymore.

  • pagansister

    Ted, other than the idea you hold that intercourse for anything other than procreation is wrong, how is it that you wouldn’t prefer using contraception to an abortion? No pregnancy, no chance for a termination. Right? And I’m sure you know that there are condoms, which really can’t be considered a “pesticide” as they aren’t swallowed (the PILL) or implanted like an IUD, as an option for pregnancy prevention.

  • Ssouth

    Birth control pills are classified as a class 1 carcinogen according to the World Health Organization along with arsenic, tobacco, and asbestos. Though there is some evidence the hormones can protect against ovarian cancer. http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/ClassificationsGroupOrder.pdf
    Do some research on contraception risks. The hormones are in our water source and can’t be filtered out. Our society’s obsession with contraception is affecting us all.

    • pagansister

      However, Ssouth, condoms are not a class 1 carcinogen, neither are IUD’s. I’ve used all 3, (way in the past while planning our 2 children—then the husband took the permanent measure :-) )and had no ill affects from them. Naturally a woman should understand the possible risks. I still think that prevention of pregnancy is better than a woman getting an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy and having an abortion. Of course, not having intercourse to begin with will prevent a pregnancy but in most cases that isn’t going to stop folks. :-)

      • Rebecca Hamilton

        Pagansister, iuds have a history of severe, life threatening complications of their own.

        • pagansister

          Yes, Rebecca, I know there could be problems with IUD, but I used one for several years, between kids, and had no problems at all. That was in the day that one brand was pulled, but the type I used (so long ago I can’t remember brand) worked satisfactorily for me. I also was in the introduction years of the Pill, and had no problems with that either. After my husband had his surgery, I no longer had to worry about any female birth control. Was great! I’m sure that some women have problems with the IUD and Pill, but I wasn’t one of them.

          • Rebecca Hamilton

            I think you were lucky pagansister. It was and is an irresponsible disregard for women’s health to prescribe birth control methods that endanger the women’s lives.

  • pagansister

    Rebecca, perhaps I was lucky or perhaps the IUD’s are not as dangerous as some think. I know the one taken off the market “in the old days” gave some fear as to their use. However, have read recently that they are now returning as a more popular method of BC. Ranks after The Pill, vasectomies, tubal legation, and the condom. My daughter-in-law has a new one and has no problems with it. My advise to a woman considering it would be do the research, and listen to your doctor(s) and make up your own mind.

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      My advice to women — and I mean this — is that the drug companies do not have their welfare at heart. No form of birth control is worth endangering your health or life.

  • pagansister

    Honestly, Rebecca, having a baby carries risks also—–

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      That’s the excuse that’s put forward for endangering women’s lives with these things, but it doesn’t hold up; not even mathematically. I’m not sure why you’re defending IUDs and other dangerous forms of birth control. I understand a defense of birth control, per se, but not dangerous things. Do you honestly believe that anyone would ask men to risk the kinds of complications and even death that can go with some forms of birth control to have sex? Don’t you see the misogyny in putting all the risk on women and marketing these things as if there were not risk?

  • pagansister

    If I had had a bad experience with an IUD, or the Pill, or knew a woman who had, I might agree with you, Rebecca. When I was on the pill, started when I married and for 3 years after, they were much stronger than they are now. That has changed so they are probably much safer. The IUD’s have also been improved. I’m only saying that IMO they are a viable option to prevent pregnancy and that women should weigh the pros and cons of those 2 methods and choose. If indeed men could use a pill or have a similar device like an IUD, I expect it would be on the market. How many women have died from an IUD or the Pill, Rebecca? IF women smoke, or have other rick factors then they shouldn’t take the pill. I had none of the possible risk factors for either method. How many women have died in child birth or having an abortion? I haven’t looked that up, but I expect not too many. Would have to check on how many women have died taking the pill or using an IUD—–

    • Rebecca Hamilton

      This discussion is getting circular. I don’t have time right now, but the problems with IUDs are stunning. But, it’s your life and your decision.

      • pagansister

        Agreed, Rebecca. I made my decisions a long time ago, and with the Pills & IUD’s being safer now, other women will have to make theirs.


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