Pope Francis: Sinners Repent. The Corrupt Do Not.

Pope Francis gave a hard-hitting homily during his daily morning mass.

“We are all sinners,” he said. “But we are not corrupt. The corrupt remain in a state of self-sufficiency and don’t understand humility.”

This is a homily for the “Christian” West, if there ever was one.

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  • FW Ken

    I’m liking this pope I trust you saw the picture of him and the disfigured man. The Anchoress had a good piece on it.

  • Fabio Paolo Barbieri

    I double dare Obama to say he likes this. If he does, he hasn’t understood it.

    • Bill S

      I disagree with the whole notion that we are all sinners. Many of us are not. A sinner is someone who accepts the Catholic Church’s definition of sin and is unable and/or unwilling to avoid it. Everyone else is either innocent or corrupt. Corrupt is a matter of opinion. Not everyone who does something that the Church considers to be sinful but does not repent is corrupt. Gay married couples are not corrupt. Women on the pill and men who use condoms are not corrupt. Couples who have a child by IVF are not corrupt, etc.

      • Fabio Paolo Barbieri

        You keep on committing the enormity of saying that to accept a teaching makes it true. Sin is either true or not across the human race, period. The Catholic Church no more invented it than it invented forgiveness.

        • Bill S

          Fabio,

          As a practicing Catholic, you agree to let the Church define sin for you. I don’t acknowledge that authority. Nor do the majority of people in this world. Say that the Church teaches that invitro fertilization is a sin. All that means is that you as a Catholic are not allowed to father a child using IVF. If you do you have committed a mortal sin. But someone who does not practice a religion that bans IVF is free to do so. You can’t say that it is a sin for that person because the rules that apply to you don’t necessarily apply to the person. Can you understand that?

          • FW Ken

            If I may butt in, every religion recognizes that behaviors are right or wrong. Every ideology is based on the notion that it is right. Communism promulgated a whole list of “sins” and punished those who committed them.

            Now, it’s helpful (and true) to distinguish behaviors that are proper to a faith, versus claims about universal good and bad. If I as a Catholic eat meat on Friday in Lent, I incur sin by disobeying the discipline of my community. A non-Catholic would not incur sin for eating meat, but disobedience to lawful authority can be considered a sin anyway.

            Some things are sins under any circumstances: murder, rape, stealing, and the like. Or maybe they are not? Who gets to say whether they are sins or are not sins?

            There is a whole class of behaviors about which people disagree, but which are claimed to be sinful. The Baptists (some of them) consider dancing and dining alcohol to be sinful. I disagree, but if I’m wrong, those behaviors will be destructive to me irrespective of my opinion. I may not incur formal sin, but I will experience the consequences of sin.

            • Bill S

              Some things are sins under any circumstances: murder, rape, stealing, and the like. Or maybe they are not? Who gets to say whether they are sins or are not sins?

              Ken, it doesn’t matter. They are crimes. We all know that we should not commit a crime. That applies to everyone.

              Things like abortion, premarital sex, contraception, gay marriage, IVF, divorce and remarriage without an annulment, etc. fall into your “eating meat on Friday” category. They are sins for you because you are Catholic but not for everyone. Catholics have to stop trying to say that they are sins for everyone because they are not.

              • The original Mr. X

                “Catholics have to stop trying to say that they are sins for everyone because they are not.”
                Prove it, please. On what grounds do you claim to know what is/isn’t a sin for everybody?

              • FW Ken

                To say they are crimes ignores the fact that laws change. Until 1973, abortion was a crime in most places. Capital punishment was once the lawful punishment for sodomy. As I said, if you want to say that right and wrong is defined by the government, then you are wading into some pretty dirty waters.

                • Bill S

                  Bad laws get corrected. Bad Catholic teachings are hardly ever corrected because of their supposed infallibility. I obey government laws and ignore Catholic teachings. If I need to learn something, I seek out an authoritative source other than the Church. Preferably, the most up to date one, not one based on ideas that were popular in the Bronze Age.


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