Blasphemy for Breakfast: God our Father

Scott Hahn describes a conversation he had with a Muslim scholar. The point for me in this conversation is the great beauty of what Jesus did for us.

Jesus is God made Human. He gave up His deity to become one of us in order to redeem us. By doing this, He became the Way by which we can enter into genuine communion with Our Father Who Art in Heaven.

No other faith has an empty tomb. No other faith has a Brother God Who has suffered as we suffer, been tempted as we are tempted and who understands with the knowing of personal experience what it is to be human.

There is no other Way except Jesus. We are the children of God, and He tells us to call Him our Father. Think about that, and rejoice.

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  • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

    I’ve heard Scott Hahn relay that story on one of my Lighthouse Catholic Media lectures. Anyone that says that because Islam is also monotheistic and because it is linked historically to Judaism that it is similar to either Christianity or Judaism doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Islam is radically different than Christianity. There is very little similarity.

    By the way, your readers might be intersted in Lighthouse Catholic Media. It has very affordable lectures that you can download and listen. You can find it here:

    http://www.lighthousecatholicmedia.org/

    • Steve31

      I think the most important thing that the Patheos blog teaches us is to be nice, (except to the truly faithful that is…)

      • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

        What did I say that wasn’t nice? Islam is not similar to Christianity. I am not disparaging Islam. And I don’t believe Scott Hahn is either. He’s making an objective observation based on that Muslim theologian’s own statements.

        • Steve31

          sorry manny, it wasn’t directed towards you… it was a sarcastic comment about the church of nice.

    • peggy-o

      Manny I heard that same Lighthouse CD. I was really struck by the stark difference that Dr. Hahn lays out between a slave relationship and sonship. His scholarship is impressive.

      • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

        He’s brilliant! I don’t know of that many theologians, but of those I’ve seen here or there, Sott Hahn must be the top living theologian. Well, now that I think of it, he’s second only to Pope Benedict XVI. The previous Holy Father was a genius too.

    • Bill S

      Scott Hahn talks a good game. He tells the audience what they want to hear about an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, loving, caring Father in Heaven. As one who doesn’t believe in the supernatural I don’t buy a word that he says. As for the Muslim, he is equally presumptuous to think that he knows anything about a creator and lawgiver.

      • hamiltonr

        Bill, why are you constantly throwing dirt in God’s face? Who saved your life?

        • Bill S

          It was my intention to come back but I just can’t believe in the supernatural anymore. Yet, aside from the more controversial issues, Catholicism is good for us. I want to embrace the human side of it without the spiritual.

          • hamiltonr

            That’s an oxymoron Bill. Jesus Christ is either God, or the whole thing is meaningless. You decide.

            • Bill S

              Except for one thing. It is not meaningless because of the history of the Church. It is what it is today even if it is based on a myth. Mother Theresa did her thing regardless of whether God exists or not. The Pope still rules over a billion people. We celebrate Christmas putting the stores in the black for the year. Nothing changes.

              • hamiltonr

                I don’t think Mother Theresa ever doubted the existence of God Bill. She had a very clear and rather specific call from Him to begin her ministry. What she experienced was a prolong period of spiritual dryness which, in her case, was a sharing with Christ’ suffering on the cross when He was separated from God because of taking on our sins.

                What Mother Teresa experienced was a very painful but real spiritual gift.

                What you are experiencing is a very real refusal of God’s gifts to you, including saving your life when you tried to end it. You are throwing God’s gifts back in His face. That’s entirely different from Mother Teresa.

                • Bill S

                  What I mean is not that Mother Theresa did not believe in God, rather that if there were no God, there would still be people like Mother Theresa who are driven by their faith even in a God that doesn’t exist. Same goes for the entire history of the Catholic Church. Everything that has happened could have happened even if there is no supernatural anything.

                  If there is a God, I doubt that he must be worshipped or that people must believe in him. I don’t worry about my disbelief somehow being offensive to anyone.

                  • hamiltonr

                    It’s not a question of you offending others Bill. It’s a question of you throwing away your soul to chase after the delusion that your sins are not, in fact, sins.

                    • Bill S

                      I appreciate your concern. But I am not concerned with my soul. I am not doing anything to hurt anyone or bring anything bad upon myself. Thank you anyway.

          • Barbara

            In the end, Bill, all of us must make Pascal’s wager. There is not enough evidence for a definitive yes or no with regard to God’s existence. I happen to think he designed it that way so to preserve our freedom. Belief, like love, is a choice, a risk, a leap. I came to the same point you did, and I chose yes, because I wanted the goodness and sense of meaning and purpose I saw in those who believed. You ultimately are faced with that same choice. No one will make it for you, and as much as God wants you to be close to Him, he will not stop you from rejecting Him if that’s what you really want. Do you?

      • http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny

        “He tells the audience what they want to hear…”
        Are you saying that Scott Hahn doesn’t believe in his religion? Are you saying he’s lying? I doubt that’s what you’re saying. So then how is your comment even relevant? You’re just trying to stick in an atheist comment where it doesn’t fit in.

        • Bill S

          Are you saying that Scott Hahn doesn’t believe in his religion?

          No. He very much believes in it. But everyone thinks he is a great speaker because he says what they want to hear. An atheist would get up there and try to bring them back to reality, which they would not want to hear. Just because you like what someone says doesn’t make it true.

          • FW Ken

            You might be shocked to know that I don’t go to death metal concerts.

            • Bill S

              If you are citing that as an example of a typical secular event then how do you feel about people, places and events that are secular and that you enjoy?

              • FW Ken

                Wrong discussion. The point here is that people don’t generally patronize what they don’t enjoy and/or perceive to be beneficial.

                BTW, it’s not generally helpful to say that other people do things for certain reasons. Unless you are a telepath, you don’t actually know why people do things. Motivation is usually more complex than your ideological needs.


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