And all the pieces matter

Here’s a seal helping a stranded turtle get in the water.”

“This was the course of things, the women knew. They would see it through to the end.”

Were you there when they crucified the poor?

“Sometimes it causes me to tremble tremble tremble.”

“What stands out in the Holy Week services is humility in the face of unreasoning authority. What stands out, ultimately, and whether you believe in the Resurrection or not, or think the whole thing is a bunch of hooey imported from the Egyptian mystery cults or somewhere, is that, in the story of Easter week, unreasoning authority loses.”

“The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches. We must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.”

“I am a member of the United States of America. I do not want to be a member of a North American country.”

“Most of the people reading this post will have been born after modern science clearly and unambiguously established this fact: there is nothing wrong with homosexuals. This has been understood in the science for over half a century.”

“Evaluate the morality of sexual behavior by looking at the relational context within which sexual acts occur and not by focusing exclusively on the acts themselves.”

“So, in the bishops’ view, a woman is denied freedom of choice because she is prevented from refusing (free) coverage for services she is morally opposed to and therefore won’t avail herself of.”

“A New American Media analysis shows that where states are hostile to a woman’s right to choose, they are likely hostile to immigrants, too.”

“A major anti-abortion group has expanded its scope beyond abortion clinics to include protests against in vitro fertilization clinics.”

“Look back to this GOP presidential primary to find examples of Republicans questioning the courts’ legitimacy and even threatening to neuter them using powers reserved for the other two branches of government.”

“Republican leaders didn’t hesitate to issue none-too-thinly veiled threats of violence against the nation’s judges.”

“When you tell that crowd that some members of your society are harmful and dangerous and should be eliminated, that some members of society don’t deserve control over their own lives and bodies, you shouldn’t be surprised when some members of that crowd decide to put your words into hateful action. Because that’s what you’re telling them to do.”

Never forget.”

“The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Department of Vital Statistics was 36, but other estimates of black fatalities have been up to about 300.”

Florida’s push to block voter registration.

“These are the reasons why I’m a proud, card-carrying, hell-free heretic and proud of it.”

This is pure Garbage.

(Post title honors the 60th birthday of Clarke Peters.)

  • http://www.metagalacticllamas.com/ Triplanetary

    You’re a “member” of the United States? It’s a country, not a country club. But I can see why you would confuse the two.

  • Lori

    That was my first thought too. I’m a citizen of the US, not a member. What kind of total ass talks about a country like it’s a country club? And then I remembered that we were talking about a Republican from Arizona.

    Which lead to my next thought: “WTH is going on in Arizona? Are they putting paranoid & stupid in the municipal water supply or what?”

  • Tricksterson

    Of course the real reason Mr. Stevens objects to any sort of North American Union (which if it ever happens at all will be a looong time in coming) is twofold:
    1:  it would be a matter of peaceful coalition instead of the good old American way, which is to say bloody conquest, you know, the way we got Arizona and New Mexico in the first place,
    2:  He probably wouldn’t have too much of a problem if it was just Canada but Mexico?  That might mean treating Mexicans as if they were, you know, human.

  • Tricksterson

    Of course the real reason Mr. Stevens objects to any sort of North American Union (which if it ever happens at all will be a looong time in coming) is twofold:
    1:  it would be a matter of peaceful coalition instead of the good old American way, which is to say bloody conquest, you know, the way we got Arizona and New Mexico in the first place,
    2:  He probably wouldn’t have too much of a problem if it was just Canada but Mexico?  That might mean treating Mexicans as if they were, you know, human.

  • Green Eggs and Ham

     I don’t think Mr. Stevens and his ilk would want Canada either, with our godless, socialist healthcare, etc. 

    How would the Union work out?  Would Americans move to the new Canadian states to get universal healthcare?  Would major corporations follow suit?  How long would it take for the old American states to adopt universal healthcare to stem the bleeding?

    The New Democratic Party of Canada and the Liberal Party of Canada would show the US Democratic Party that being on the left doesn’t mean being to the right of Dwight D. Eisenhower.  So maybe the Democrats wouldn’t want the merger either.

    Also, Obama and his Illuminati overlords will get my Canadian citizenship when they pry it out of my arctic-frozen, dead hands.  

  • Green Eggs and Ham

     I don’t think Mr. Stevens and his ilk would want Canada either, with our godless, socialist healthcare, etc. 

    How would the Union work out?  Would Americans move to the new Canadian states to get universal healthcare?  Would major corporations follow suit?  How long would it take for the old American states to adopt universal healthcare to stem the bleeding?

    The New Democratic Party of Canada and the Liberal Party of Canada would show the US Democratic Party that being on the left doesn’t mean being to the right of Dwight D. Eisenhower.  So maybe the Democrats wouldn’t want the merger either.

    Also, Obama and his Illuminati overlords will get my Canadian citizenship when they pry it out of my arctic-frozen, dead hands.  

  • Lori

    I suspect that in practice Stevens would prefer a union with Mexico than one with Canada. As Green Eggs and Ham pointed out, Canada has that evil socialist healthcare and a Left that, while not perfect, is actually on the Left. We can’t let that spread.

    By contrast union with Mexico could be used to erode our remaining annoying worker and environmental protections. Also, Mexico has recent experience with long-term one-party rule, which is the GOP’s goal for the US. From Stevens’ perspective the downside is obviously that Mexicans are brown. Time is going to solve that “problem” though. At some point in the (probably not too distant) future Hispanics are going to be considered white, sort of like Italians used to not be white and now they are. Once that happens Mexico under the PRI will look pretty good to the GOP.

  • Lori

    I suspect that in practice Stevens would prefer a union with Mexico than one with Canada. As Green Eggs and Ham pointed out, Canada has that evil socialist healthcare and a Left that, while not perfect, is actually on the Left. We can’t let that spread.

    By contrast union with Mexico could be used to erode our remaining annoying worker and environmental protections. Also, Mexico has recent experience with long-term one-party rule, which is the GOP’s goal for the US. From Stevens’ perspective the downside is obviously that Mexicans are brown. Time is going to solve that “problem” though. At some point in the (probably not too distant) future Hispanics are going to be considered white, sort of like Italians used to not be white and now they are. Once that happens Mexico under the PRI will look pretty good to the GOP.

  • http://jesustheram.blogspot.com/ Mr. Heartland

    Is this guy unaware that we already have an entire grid of border-to border federal highways?  Most of them routed in the golden age of isolationism at that?  Or what does he have to say about Interstate 19? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_19)  which forms a section of the most direct path from Mexico City to LA and is signed in… Devilmiles (AKA kilometers). 

    In all seriousness I do wonder what it is about Arizona, why the White settlers there seem so obsessed with a mythical cultural purity while their neighbors in Cali and New Mexico seem to (mostly) accept that some level of cultural mixing goes part and parcel with living next to an international border.

  • http://jesustheram.blogspot.com/ Mr. Heartland

    Is this guy unaware that we already have an entire grid of border-to border federal highways?  Most of them routed in the golden age of isolationism at that?  Or what does he have to say about Interstate 19? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_19)  which forms a section of the most direct path from Mexico City to LA and is signed in… Devilmiles (AKA kilometers). 

    In all seriousness I do wonder what it is about Arizona, why the White settlers there seem so obsessed with a mythical cultural purity while their neighbors in Cali and New Mexico seem to (mostly) accept that some level of cultural mixing goes part and parcel with living next to an international border.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Canadians aren’t uniformly real pleased with any North American Union concept; the main problem is the elephant and mouse analogy first used by Trudeau. We would be the mouse that’s had to move in from the outdoors into the elephant’s quarters.

  • Anonymous

    Fred I enjoy these articles.

    But please when are you gone write another left behind post because I need a healthy amount of snark.

  • Anonymous

    Hell-critics always fail to address something that I want addressed before I consider their position: why do they only focus on the “Hell is punishment” theory? That has not, nor has it ever been, the only interpretation of Hell or underworlds in general. I always like’s Lewis’ idea of Hell, as a disease of the soul, and it does jive with references in scripture of Hell being the “Second Death.”

  • Robert Ruger

    Hmm…. Tremble…

  • Anonymous
  • Tricksterson

    Well that’s where the bloody conquest part comes in.  Of course we invaded you twice, once during the Revolution and once during the War of 1812 and got a bloody nose both times so maybe we should beware the nice ones.

  • Tricksterson

    I fully endorse this idea.

  • http://twitter.com/shutsumon Becka Sutton

    It really is. Mother Church needs more Bishops thinking like that if we’re ever to get out of this mess we’re in.

  • Grey Seer

     Look, I’m British. We’ve had a submarine tunnel linking us with France since ’94, and as yet we’ve yet to see any wars or similar cultural cataclysms come about as a result of that link.

     So if England and France – two countries who have not really gotten along very well with each other over the course of history, to say the least – can survive for just shy of two decades being connected by a transport link, then America can bloody well survive having a cross country road.

     Otherwise, I still blame fanfiction for making me realise my own orientation was rather less one-sided than I had initially imagined. I recommend it, really, assuming you can get past the 90% of the fanfic which is absolute crap.

  • We Must Dissent

     He also seems to have never heard of I-5, which is goes from border to border and helps connect Vancouver, B.C., to Baja California

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

    That’s a good point. The British and the French have managed to avoid killing each other in senseless, bloody wars for decades. Besides, it’s not like this is the first ever interstate road in the US, right?

  • http://maristroud.blogspot.com/ Mari Stroud

    Mr. Clark, I have not commented here before even though I’ve been reading for years, but I just wanted to say: thank you for fighting the good fight.  I left the Christian church at seventeen because I could not deal with the Rapture cultism and hypocrisy any longer; however, you and the ideas that you espouse are very cool and often make me re-ponder my choice.

  • Joesmith

    Of course there is nothing wrong with homosexuals, but I would make that argument logically, not by appealing to “science.”  Its just not true that  “modern science clearly and unambiguously established this fact: there is nothing wrong with homosexuals.”

    The author cites two studies.  The first is interesting and persuasive, but its not science, it’s social science.  The second is just ridiculous.  The rorshach test is not designed to identify homosexuals, so its no surpise that it couldn’t .  I’d be willing to wager that an autopsy couldn’t identify homosexuals either. 

    A couple of studies are persuasive, but not conclusive.

  • Anonymous

    …science doesn’t work without logic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/swbaxter13 Scott Baxter

    It ain’t just the NDP and the Liberals. If the Conservative party were to adopt Obama’s policies as their new platform, they’d be taking a fairly large step to the right – large enough that they’d probably lose a sizable chunk of their support. 

    I really can’t see why there’s so much paranoia about a North American Union down in the US. The folks who should be rightfully scared of the notion are us honest Canadians and Mexicans. Nothing against our American neighbours, on a personal basis you’re generally pretty nice. But for some reason the only thing that comes out of your political system is right wing crazy, and it’s bad enough having all that next door, let alone in the same house.

  • Joesmith

    …science doesn’t work without logic.

    True, but they are not the same thing.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    “WTH is going on in Arizona? Are they putting paranoid & stupid in the municipal water supply or what?”

    Worse. Into office. 

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The only thing saving us from more American support for a N.A.U. is the fact that the Americans know adding ten new states (at the very least) would mean adding that many more Dems into the Senate, never mind the House.

  • Anonymous

    Two things: first, the author cites two studies from fifty years ago. This isn’t a coincidence, or a mistake. They were specifically chosen with their age in mind, because the point was that people have been dismantling the idea that homosexuality is harmful for decades, not that outdated psychological tests from 1957 serve as concrete evidence today. These aren’t the only tests that ever proved that there’s nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality; this is merely where they started. 

    Secondly, that the rorshach test wasn’t designed to identify homosexuals is immaterial, because the assumption of the day was that it could, and that’s what was being tested. This was the entire point of the experiment. Common sense stated that homosexuals were so inherently depraved, so unstable, so completely and fundamentally unsound in mind and body, that they could be quickly and easily distinguished from heterosexuals when subjected to the most cursory of psychological testing. That you find the idea of identifying homosexuality with the rorschach test so patently ridiculous is directly due to people like Evelyn Hooker proving that it just can’t do it. 

  • Anonymous

     

    The first is interesting and persuasive, but its not science, it’s social science.

    It’s both; it’s empirical psychology.  Many areas of social science are, well, science. 

    The rorshach test is not designed to identify homosexuals, so its no
    surpise that it couldn’t .  I’d be willing to wager that an autopsy
    couldn’t identify homosexuals either. 

    You miss the point.  If homosexuality was usually part of a severe mental disorder, then you wouldn’t need a specifically-designed test to discriminate between homosexuals and heterosexuals.  You could simply use the Rorschach* and other tests to pick out the subjects who suffered from that mental disorder, and infer that most gays in your sample must be found in that group.  That’s what the expert judges in this study tried to do, and they failed.

    No one’s claiming that no test can distinguish homosexuals from heterosexuals–I mean, asking “Do you like guys or girls?” is a good start.  But tests for mental illness can’t do it, because gay people aren’t mentally ill.

    *And yes, many aspects of Rorschach interpretation are now understood to be BS, but it wasn’t the only test used here.  And it is a decent test for identifying thought disorder and some personality disorders.

    A couple of studies are persuasive, but not conclusive.

    There were plenty of even more conclusive studies later, sure.  But the author is making a point about how long ago these studies began, so of course he’s going to cite the older ones.

  • Anonymous

     Logic without science can tell you very little about the empirical world; it certainly doesn’t tell you whether homosexuality is associated with mental illness.

  • Tricksterson

    Most of the fear of a North American Union comes from people who think it will be just like the EU and who have little to no idea of what the EU is like or how it actually functions.  Here’s the ironic part, the NAU paranoia, IIRC started on the left during the Bush Jr. years.  Also if anything like an NAU does develop it’s seed will have been NAFTA which was the dreamchild of Ronald Reagan. 

  • Tricksterson

    Oh, and does anyone else think there’s a horde of hungry seals out there just waiting for a sea turtle lunch?  Don’t go little sea turtle!  IT”S A TRAP!

  • Splitting Image

     Actually, the kernel of the North American Union goes back a lot earlier, and the paranoia about it dates from the days of the old John Birchers. The current shibboleths (the NAFTA Superhighway, the Amero) are all fairly recent developments, but they were built on an infrastructure that was already there.

    Definitely the creation of the EU and the Euro fed the fires. The Birchers realized that if it can happen in Europe, then OMG! it can happen here.

  • JessicaR

    You know, it’s not good that anti choicers are protesting IVF clinics, but I think it might lead to good things. Meaning, for once some anti-choicers are actually being consistent in their “life begins at conception” twaddle. And more importantly waking up a lot of women that the War of Women includes them too. It’s not just “bad girls” wanting abortions, it’s women like them who deseperately want to concieve.

    The war on women is a war of control, controlling when, if, and how a woman can use her body. The sooner women who might think of abortion as something for slutty babykillers, but their own IVF treatmens as God’s Plan see that they either stick up for all women, for all rights, or else have their paper thin privileges yanked away, the better.  

  • Anonymous-Sam

    Not only is the idea of Mexico, the United States and Canada merging together just plain silly, but it’s derivative of Ron Paul. Paul claimed that not only would all three countries merge together, but they would soon have a new unified currency. He also preached that the UN was coming to Take Our Guns and repeal the second amendment. Did I mention Ron Paul comes out of the John Birch Society?

  • Joe Smith

    Brokenbell and Anton:  Very well argued! 

    I concede!  

  • Dinatg

    Eek! New Garbage!

  • http://profiles.google.com/stargarrett Bruce Garrett

    No one’s claiming that no test can distinguish homosexuals from heterosexuals–I mean, asking “Do you like guys or girls?” is a good start.

    (smile) That would probably be one of the first questions in my test.


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