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“That’s not so much outrageous as just so wildly ignorant that you wonder whether someone like that has any business on the local school board let alone in Congress. But even this turns out to be a commonly held belief within the pro-life movement.”

The tubes are spastic.”

Willke claims that he got a private meeting with Romney as recently as late last year and told Willke ‘we agree on almost everything’ about the pro-life cause.”

Seventeenth-century forensic medicine is alive and well in Missouri. There must be a folk tradition that quietly perpetuates these views beneath the surface of science.”

“In supporting his claim about trauma and ovulation, Mecklenburg cited experiments conducted in Nazi death camps.”

“Todd Akin is not the  most immoral Republican officeholder in the Missouri-Mississippi Valley. Bill Napoli is.”

“If you narrow the definition of rape to ‘forcible rape,’ and if you convince yourself that forcible rape doesn’t result in pregnancies, then you can have an antiabortion bill that satisfies the public’s desire for exceptions but doesn’t lead to any actual exceptions. It’s magical thinking, but it’s magical thinking with a purpose.”

“To the extent that rape and incest exceptions have been advocated, said [Ralph] Reed, ‘it’s been mostly for political viability and expediency.’”

“Add in the junk science element, and you reach the conclusion — not unusual among abortion opponents — that a pregnancy is prima facie evidence that the fetus wasn’t conceived during a rape, and thus that rape exceptions to abortion restrictions are superfluous.”

They don’t want anyone to talk about situations when people’s lives are brutalized through no fault of their own.”

“Personally, I am grateful that Akin brought the snakes out of their pit so that we can see clearly who they are and what their game is.”

“You know, he clearly is a pro-life advocate, and for that, I respect him.”

“The swift knee-jerk reaction to throw Akin, a strong conservative pro-life, pro-family born again Christian under the bus by some in the Republican Party is shining the light on their actual agenda.”

“Akin is only guilty of saying out loud what many Republican leaders think and legislate on the basis of.”

“Many people responded with shock, but there was no outcry from Republicans that Santorum drop out of the race.”

“‘You sponsored legislation that has the language forcible rape,’ Delano pointed out to Ryan. ‘What is forcible rape?’”

But surely Paul Ryan can’t have the grotesque views on women’s rights that he has consistently expressed.”

“It keeps popping up because this is actually the position of the party.”

“The party itself, in its platform, its votes, its policies, embraces the very things that Akin said and attested to believing.”

“Today’s Republican Party is about as useful to women as a jockstrap.”

“Missouri Republicans — the folks who never have had a problem putting this guy in Congress and obviously had no problem with him as a senator — have to choose between common decency and political tribalism.”

“The fundamentalist evangelicalism in which I grew up doesn’t treat rape as a separate category. Instead, rape is grouped under either ‘premarital sex’ or ‘marital sex.’

“Sing along as Taylor Ferrera runs down the list of illegitimate rapes …

NOTE: The following are several moving, brutally honest personal accounts of traumatic horrors that some readers may want or need to skip.

But not Todd Akin, or Paul Ryan, or any of their enablers. Those guys have to read these. They’re not allowed to turn away. They need to read these.

Susie Madrak: “The Secret World of Rape; Or, I Enjoy Being a Girl

Eve Ensler: “Dear Mr. Akin, I Want You to Imagine …

Shauna Prewitt: “An Open Letter to Rep. Akin From a Woman Who Got Pregnant From Rape

Anonymous: “A Rape Survivor’s Story

  • Fusina

    I have a seventeen year old daughter. She will be going off to college next school year. Can I panic yet? Oh, and she has an Aunt and a Grandmother who both have had multiple bouts of breast cancer. Should I panic? I’m pro Obama in part because she needs the ACA and the luxury of not having to worry about getting insurance/being denied insurance  for a pre-existing condition.  Yeah. I think I’ll panic now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/j.alex.harman John Alexander Harman

    So, can we now refer to Akin’s belief about the contraceptive effect of rape as “the Mecklenburg-Mengele hypothesis?”  Or was it some other sadistic ogre posing as a scientist who performed the acts of torture on which Mecklenburg based his fantasy?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    “In supporting his claim about trauma and ovulation, Mecklenburg cited experiments conducted in Nazi death camps.”

    *shakes head*

    There are some serious ethical issues that health boards often spend a lot of time on before granting approvals for using this kind of data. I’m highly doubtful that he got the proper approvals for doing this.

    See, for example, this article at the Jewish virtual library. In one case a doctor needed to use human freezing data that simply was not ethically possible using volunteers. Even so, the use of the data was vetoed.

    Oftentimes in the literature or teaching, the true origin of some anecdotes in psychology or psychiatry are obscured. As one example, I had been told the story of a doctor who had put an electrical probe to portions of human’s brain and at one point triggered the retelling of an extremely detailed memory, which the patient later said happened when he or she was a small child.

    The true origin of this was medical experimentation in a concentration camp, not a volunteer in a psychology lab in the 1950s. I remain quite troubled by this tendency.

  • GDwarf

    I’m not certain that using Nazi data is inherently wrong. Obviously repeating the experiments would be, but in this case the people have already suffered, and using the data or not doesn’t change that. If the data can help people, then at least some good can have come out of that horror.

    Now, Nazi data has lots of other reasons not to be used, including the fact that much of it is worthless due to the “experiments” simply being thinly-veiled ways to torture people without things such as control groups and so on, but if the experiments were done in such a way as to give usable results then I don’t really see how using them is wrong.

    Of course, Akin’s “science” is nothing of the sort, but the ad hominem fallacy has nothing to do with that.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    I heard a comment earlier today highlighting the irony of a particular party trying to push anti-abortion legislation, who then goes on to wonder indignantly why the country is making angry expressions to them about abortion when they should be making angry expressions to the White House about jobs.  

    It is like, “Umm, guys?  You do not get to limit someone’s rights, then complain when they act angry at you about it instead of focusing their anger elsewhere.”  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charity-Brighton/100002974813787 Charity Brighton

    That’s the most irritating thing about them. The whole, “I can punch you in the nose as often and as hard as I want, and if you ever raise your hands to block yourself you’re a bad person because world hunger.” It’s so foolish and simple-minded that it makes everyone who uses it seem like a beady-eyed, dull-witted bully.

  • aunursa

    It appears that the Democrats are going to turn their entire convention into an anti-Akin festival, with women like Sandra Fluke, Cecile Richards, and Nancy Keehan presumably assailing the Republicans for their positions on issues like abortion and contraception.

    I certainly hope this is true.  While such social issues are extremely important to the participants of this board, the majority of Americans are much more focused on financial matters.   The voters who will decide the election are highly concerned about the economy and jobs and the federal deficit.  If Obama and Biden lose the election, perhaps a primary reason will be the stark difference between the priorities of the Republicans and those of the Democrats.

  • EllieMurasaki

    We’re collectively fairly clear on the fact that Obama as president has saved jobs and that Romney as Bain Capital bigshot has destroyed jobs, thanks.

  • Nathaniel

     Please go kindly fuck yourself.

  • Lori

    While such social issues are extremely important to the participants of
    this board, the majority of Americans are much more focused on financial
    matters. 

    Well sure. Because all we talk about here is social issues. We never discuss financial matters because we don’t care about them. Also the Republicans are definitely the party to vote for if you want the economy to improve.

    Don’t you ever get tired of being totally ridiculous?

    Apparently not—-

    If Obama and Biden lose the election, perhaps a primary reason will be
    the stark difference between the priorities of the Republicans and those
    of the Democrats.  

    Are you kidding with this shit? Seriously?

    The GOP/Tea Party got a very nice bump in the 2010 election by talking about focusing on fiscal issues and bringing down the debt. What did the actually do once in office? All War on Women all the damn time while ginning up a debt ceiling crisis and stalling any legislation that might actually have helped the economy.

    The Right wing corners of the internet where you spend the rest of your time may throw anything inconvenient to the GOP straight down the memory hole, but we do not.

    This had got to be one of the Top (or would that be bottom?) 10 most ridiculous posts you’ve ever made here. And that’s really saying something.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Speaking of.. check the Bain Files:

    http://gawker.com/5933641

  • ReverendRef

    I have a seventeen year old daughter. She will be going off to college next school year.

    I am currently in Omaha on the way to taking my 19-year old daughter to college in Missouri.  I’m slightly worried, yes.  I talked with her about this in the hotel room last night.  She was not impressed.

    I’m going to spend the next two years worrying about Missouri politicians and tornadoes.

  • Tonio

    women like Sandra Fluke, Cecile Richards, and Nancy Keehan presumably assailing the Republicans for their positions on issues like abortion and contraception.

    Yuck. Not only is that condescending to women, as if those issues are parochial ones, it also comes close to implying that Limbaugh was justified in his despicable slut-shaming. It’s one thing to believe that contraception and abortion are wrong. It’s another to favor laws that prohibit them or restrict access to these. That position deserves to be assailed, because the question of access is fundamentally about legal and social equality for women. Those are well nigh impossible unless women have the means to control their fertility. The position of people like Akin is that women should be forced to carry pregnancies to term, and that would reduce women and their wombs to wards of the state. 

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

     You know, you are dangerously close to saying “The Dems are making a mistake by focusing on those trivial things like whether or not women are people, instead of focusing on things that matter to *real humans*, like money.”

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    If Obama and Biden lose the election, perhaps a primary reason will be the stark difference between the priorities of the Republicans and those of the Democrats.

    And if they win as they did before, it might be for the same reason.

  • Jeff Weskamp

    Akin and Ryan should both be forced to sit down with Shauna Prewitt and hear her tell her story.  And then they should issue a public apology for the things they’ve said.

  • Tonio

    They should go further than that. 
    They should disown last year’s attempt to narrow the Hyde Amendment’s definition of rape. They should reject the falsehood that women lie to get abortions. And they should accept that there’s no scientific basis for the claim that women can’t get pregnant from rape.

  • http://veleda-k.livejournal.com/ Veleda K

    I thought that was the subtext of most of Aunursa’s posts.

  • Ross Thompson

    Of course, Akin’s “science” is nothing of the sort, but the ad hominem fallacy has nothing to do with that.

    I think the genetic fallacy is a better fit – the data is tainted because it was gathered in an unethical way.

    The ad hominem, in this case, would be “yeah? Well, the Nazis tortured people!” which is in fact relevant and so not strictly speaking an ad hominem.

  • flat

    rape is overpowering somebody else, by it’s very nature it is evil.

    That those people came up with those bullshit shows they are evil as well.

  • Tricksterson

    Thing is Nzi scientists, for obvious reasons often skewed the data to get the results that fit their preconceptions. (Resists urge to compare this to YECs)

  • Tricksterson

    You don’t seriously think they’d care do you?

  • Tonio

    And it’s a mistake to treat these issues as if they were unrelated. Ryan and Akin’s economic positions would benefit the very wealthy while raising taxes and cutting services on everyone else. Their social positions would strip women of their bodily autonomy and treat non-straights as second-class citizens. And their positions on religion would effectively treat non-Christians as second class as well. Together, they would preserve privilege for people who already have it – straight white Christian men. You know, people like Ryan and Akin.

  • MissMikey

    “As a member of Congress in 1999, Ryan voted to deny birth-control coverage to federal employees. He later co-sponsored
    the Sanctity of Human Life Act, which would have criminalized some
    forms of contraception. And he vowed to repeal President Barack Obama’s
    Affordable Care Act, calling the president
    “paternalistic” and “arrogant” for mandating that birth control be
    covered by all health plans, including those offered by religious
    organziations.”

    This kind of cognitive dissonance, to be charitable, or out-fucking-right cynicism, to be more accurate, never fails to kill me. It’s paternalistic and arrogant of Obama to mandate BC be covered by all health plans, coverage that women *do not* have to avail themselves of if they don’t want to, but not for Ryan to co-sponsor legislation that would criminalize some forms of contraception, presumably the IUD at the very least.

    So Rep Ryan, not a medical doctor,  is deciding for me that certain forms of BC are not OK, but that’s not paternalistic and arrogant. Obama mandates that, if I want BC, it will be covered by insurance, which is not just paternalistic, but also trampling on the rights of the citizens of this  country and the first step to Stalinist death camps. I think Ryan, et al are using a different definition of “paternalistic” than I am.

    Possible TMI, but my IUD is scheduled to come out in another two years. I was just going to get my tubes tied, but now I’m sort of considering having another one put in instead. Not for any reason but a big Eff You to every Republican legislator who wants to shrink gov’t down enough so that it can fit in my uterus.

    And yes, even though I am concerned about the economy, not that I think Romney can fix it–he’s a good symbol of what’s wrong with it as far as I’m concerned, I am just as much, if not more concerned about the sudden onslaught of attacks on my own personal autonomy. I’m sorry if you can’t understand this, but the idea that one group of humans will no longer be able to make medical decisions on their own after consulting with medical professionals tends to be a little scary to that group of humans.

    [/rant]

  • Lori

    I think they’d care, just not in a meaningful way. I think they’d both feal sympathy for her, but not enough to change their minds about anything. They’d simply repeat what they’ve said before (at least in Ryan’s case in so many words) that the manner of conception doesn’t change the value of the fetus.

    In their world the order of importance is, and always will be:

    1. Men

    2. Fetuses (because they’re convenient tools for men to use to achieve their aims)

    3. Children (see above, but slightly less so which is why actual children matter less than fetuses)

    4. Women

    Some men claim that God is actually number 1, which moves everyone down a slot, but I’ve never seen any actual evidence of this. Some men (some overlap with the first group) would put their dogs either above children or above women.

  • Tonio

    who wants to shrink gov’t down enough so that it can fit in my uterus

    I can’t say enough good things about this analogy. It would also work if you had said vagina, except that we would need fainting couches for certain Michigan legislators who might be reading this.

  • MissMikey

    I know,  who would ever have thought that in 2012 the proper term for a part of female anatomy would be a dirty word?!

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I think the key point, which has been noted by others, is that if the data can be reasonably shown to have been gained in a way which, if using volunteers, would be valid enough to use,  in particular if it may save future human lives, then use it.

    Otherwise, do not.

  • LL

     You know, you are saying “The Dems are making a mistake by focusing on those trivial things like whether or not women are people, instead of focusing on things that matter to *real humans*, like money.”
    I took out a few words to make it more accurate. 

  • LoneWolf343

    “Today’s Republican Party is about as useful to women as a jockstrap.”

    Actually, the first sports bra was made out of two jockstraps. Just thought I’d share that tidbit because I think it is funny.

  • Dan Allison

    Abortion forever! No way God would want us to stop slaughtering them babies!

  • EllieMurasaki

    I’m not sure what you’re objecting to here. You’re new so you get the benefit of the doubt, which means I cannot start with the assumption that you believe forced pregnancy is a good thing, which leaves me thinking you’re objecting to people getting pregnant just to have an abortion. FYI that doesn’t actually occur.


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