More reasons why I do not much care for the Liar Tony Perkins

Black-and-white photographs clipped from newspapers call to mind the distant past.

That’s particularly true when the content of the photo seems to show something from a bygone, shameful era in American history. For those of us born after the Civil Rights movement, the idea of something like White Citizens Councils seems like an ugly relic from the middle part of the last century.

But this photograph is from 2001:

That’s the Liar Tony Perkins there, smiling at the podium during a May 2001 meeting of the Council of Conservative Citizens in Baton Rouge.

The White Citizens Councils still exist, they’ve just rebranded, slightly, changing their name but not their agenda. They remain committed to white nationalism and white separatism. That’s who they are — the essential, unmistakable core of who they are, why they are, and what they are.

Does this mean that the Liar Tony Perkins is a white nationalist or a white separatist? No. But it does mean that he was willing to get chummy with white nationalists and white separatists, recently — here in the 21st century. They do not regard him as an opponent or as a critic of their views.

What has the Liar Tony Perkins been up to since chuckling with anti-miscegenation activists in 2001?

Well, it seems he’s been lying. A lot.

And, as John Aravosis explains, that habitual dishonesty is “Why the Family Research Council is a hate group“:

At one point, I had the Congressional Research Service send me a copy of every single document the Family Research Council had written about gays, and then I had CRS get me every single document listed in the FRC doc’s footnotes. I.e., all the “original sources” for the Family Research Council’s anti-gay claims.

And there were a lot of them. At the time, FRC’s list of footnotes could be nearly as long as the written part of the document itself.

What did I find when I went through the original sources cited in the footnotes? I found that nearly every single footnote was a lie. Not a lie in the conventional sense — meaning, they didn’t make up a source that didn’t exist. Rather, they did things like quoting a damning opinion from a judge in a court case without mention that the judge was in the minority, that the gays had actually won the case they were citing.

Or they’d quote a study with a hideous conclusion about gays and lesbians, only for you to realize later that the actual quote in the study was rather benign — instead, FRC “forgot” to put an end-quotation mark on the quote, added an ellipse, and then put their own damning conclusion.

…  These are not honest people simply expressing a contrarian view of politics, like Democrats and Republicans do every day in Washington.

And the FRC is branching out. Perkins has hired a new attack dog — former Army Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, a man rebuked by former President George W. Bush for his anti-Muslim hate-speech. The same thing Bush criticized Boykin for is what made Boykin attractive to the FRC: He’s willing to spew innumerable hateful lies about anyone he considers his enemy.

See for example, Boykin’s recent description of the Southern Poverty Law Center: “this anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, Marxist organization called the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is just an evil group of people.”

Perkins and Boykin “are not honest people simply expressing a contrarian view of politics.” These are not honest people. Period.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     City-Data.com

  • EllieMurasaki

    I ask how you know that PJ Evans, if part of a minority, would complain about being part of a minority. You respond with census statistics?

    Price of peas in Persopolis.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     I assume because the majority of people in the United States are white, and many of the liberals I’ve met who confront me on the issue of race are white. He never disclosed his race, but we can always infer.
    Census statistics on those percentages I listed. To what information I’ve written would you like a citation?

  • Lori

    A tangent, but one related to bigotry best left behind—the official Democratic Party platform is out and it supports full marriage equality.

    Freedom to Marry. We support the right of all families to have equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law. We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under law for same-sex couples. We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference.

    We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same respect and responsibilities as other married couples. We support the full repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and the passage of the Respect for Marriage Act.

    History moves on and hateful bigots get left a little further behind.

    Full platform is here: http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     That’s about marriage. I’m talking about businesses being able to open monoracial subdivisions which cannot legally take place because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    We wouldn’t trash the document but reform it. I don’t want segregation for all; I want the choice to go separate ways.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I feel so sorry for that Asian student at Carrollton. There is no way that kid is getting out of that school without having had it drummed into their head that they are Different. Not Good Enough. Unless the kid gets results twice as good as anyone else, of course, and even that is likely to get the kid the (grudging) respect due someone only slightly inferior, rather than the respect due an equal or better. And given the attitudes likely held by the parents of the students at Carrollton? Even in the unlikely event that the Asian student can find other students who aren’t racist, the Asian student will have no friends and no dates, because anyone the Asian student attempts to befriend or ask out, those kids’ parents will have a shitfit.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Some devoted whites are populating Kalispell, Montana to create an
    all-white town. The government will probably respond by importing Somali
    refugees and sending them to Kalispell to tell off the white
    separatists of Kalispell…

    *stares*

    *blinketyblink*

    Are you, like, for real?

    Jesus. Just when I swear not to keep engaging directly, Richard Hansen, you go and drop stuff like this in blog comments.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I want to know what mind-reading technique you used to discern that PJ Evans would object to being part of a minority.

  • Lori

    I wasn’t talking to you Richard.

    And you’re still a racist. And you “the choice to go separate ways” is segregation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

    Well, then you should support the Council of Conservative Citizens in reforming the Civil Rights Act of 1964, so that Asian child doesn’t have to go to that school.  They admitted a non-white student, so the school didn’t get canceled because of its lack of diversity.
    Besides, kids are usually more open-minded than their parents. Who knows. Maybe she fits in well at that school.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     That’s what the government did to Minneapolis. Who’s to say it won’t send non-whites to Kalispell, in order to spoil the chance of having an all-white town of over 20,000 people?
    They’ll say its to integrate the community, but it’s really to cause strife. I’d feel sorry for those refugees, considering that they’d have to live amongst militant white separatists.
    But hey, more reason to get the government out of our business, right? (:

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     I never said he’d object to being a minority; I claimed he would probably be white because most conscious liberal whites and those who hate racially conscious white people are typically white.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     Segregation is not a choice.

  • Lori

    That is not how the Minneapolis area ended up with a large Somali population. Do you read any factual information sources or do you get all your “knowledge” from white supremacist blogs?

    They’ll say its to integrate the community, but it’s really to cause
    strife. I’d feel sorry for those refugees, considering that they’d have
    to live amongst militant white separatists.

    You are high, aren’t you?

  • Lori

    Apparently you missed this Richard, but plenty of non-whites are disgusted by racists like you.

  • EllieMurasaki

    No. I should support the enforcement of the Civil Rights Act, so that that Asian student at Carrollton is not the only student of color there, and so that the white students at Carrollton know that students of color are their equals. More than that. So the white students know that students of color are no different from them. A concept you could do with learning.

  • EllieMurasaki

    PJ: I pity people who can’t stand living in a place where being a majority
    isn’t good enough for them. Have you considered moving to Iceland? /s

    Richard: I’m not of Scandinavian ethnicity. I’ll respect the Icelanders and allow them to keep their civilization.

    PJ: Then stop complaining about there being no place white enough to suit you and your racist friends.

    Richard: You’ll complain, when you become a minority.

    Richard forty minutes later: I never said he’d object to being a minority

    Sure you didn’t.

  • Lori

    And neither is what you’re suggesting. The only way for racist white people to have the “choice” to live in their own lily-white compounds is to take away the choice of others to live there. Segregation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     White supremacist blogs? No, I got mine from interpreting City-Data.com.
    No. I told you I live on sea level.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     Ditto.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     Well, they can know they’re their equals without having to be alongside one another. All humans are equal. Why do you think I believe otherwise?

  • Lori

    City-Data.com did not tell you that the government brought Somalis into Minneapolis to cause strife. You got that shit from somewhere and it was not a legitimate news or information source because it’s not true. It’s a racist fantasy. You got it from a racist source or you dreamed it up yourself. Either way, don’t blame that crap on census data.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     He doesn’t now. But what will happen when he does… Or perhaps he already is… We do not know.
    And no, I didn’t. He never responded to it, so his race is TBA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     I assumed. Besides, the government works in mysterious ways. If you don’t believe me, then surf those “white supremacist” websites to find what you supposedly believe exists there.
    I’m not a member of any of that quibble. I’m my own man, like John Steinbeck.

  • Lori

    You looked at the census date and just “assumed” that the Somali population is high in Minneapolis because the government “imported” them to cause trouble? That’s ridiculous. How embarrassing for you. Or at least you would be embarrassed if you had any sense at all.

    As for the government moving in mysterious ways, they’re not that mysterious. It’s no surprise at all that you’re a conspiracy nut as well as a racist. Those things seem to go together. The only place you’re your own man is in your own mind. In the real world you’re just a bog standard racist.

  • EllieMurasaki

    The best metric for determining whether someone thinks gay and bi folk are equal or inferior? How many of them they know. Someone who never knowingly meets a gay person can go her whole life thinking gay folk are subhuman. Slap her in the face a few times with the fact that the neighbors down the street, the kid’s second-grade teacher, the other kid’s best friend’s parents are gay folk, and that being gay doesn’t actually make these people not like her? She’s a lot more likely to be reasonable.

    I imagine it works the same way with race. A white person who never meets a person of color might believe that people of color are no different from white folk, but he’s much more likely (especially if his parents deliberately set up housekeeping somewhere they’d never have to encounter people of color) to believe that people of color are lesser. If he only meets people of color a few times in his life, or if those he meets conform to the negative stereotypes about them, that idea isn’t likely to shift. If classmates and neighbors and folk in the supermarket are people of color, it’s a lot harder to escape knowing that they are just like us.

    I am willing (for sake of argument) to grant that you are arguing in good faith, that you truly do not believe that people of color are an inferior type of being. But if that is the case, then you must be made to understand that minimizing the contact between white people and people of color will magnify the attitude that white people and people of color are inherently different, and it is historically really hard for people who believe two groups are different to believe that neither group is better. We see this in Yankees versus Red Sox, for fuck’s sake. Isolating groups by skin tone is going to create racism if it isn’t there already, and multiply the effects of racism already present.

    Either you believe that white people are superior to people of color, or you are really fucking ignorant about every-fucking-thing touching on the concept of race. There really isn’t a third option here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

    Well, something IS up. It’s just finding the theory that makes the most sense that causes the issue.
    I don’t believe wholeheartedly in the ZOG belief, but I do believe that liberalism does eventually want us to forget that race exists, not ZOG but powerful liberals themselves of all peoples. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

    Someone “could” show hatred to a person they’ve never met of another race, but that scenario can also take place with someone who does know very well that type of person. You’re creating hypothetical statements at an attempt to prove that even voluntary separation, a person’s own free will should be stripped completely in the situation of a person wishing to live amongst like-minded and like-bodied people.
    People who’ve never met another race before don’t necessarily view them as lesser. Take, for example, the Aztecs when they first laid eyes on the conquistadors whose skin matched that of Quetzalcoatl, one of their gods. They accepted them lovingly, and never even met that race of people before.
    Well, I wouldn’t call it “really hard” or “really easy” for people not to make negative judgments about those of another race. It depends entirely on the stigma of the people and their outlook. If you ask me, I believe we should teach that everyone is equal, but we ought to respect the value of our race, the same as I believe other races should honor theirs (meaning marrying into that race but also believing all are equal in beauty but have different attractions. whites = whites, blacks = blacks, multiracial = multiracial). That’s an idyllic society and will never be founded, in today’s times as we know it.
    And finally about whether I agree with your 1st or 2nd choice, I choose your 2nd one [even though I disagree with your perception on being "really f**king ignorant"] because I don’t believe whites are any more superior than blacks or Hispanics or any other type of people.

  • EllieMurasaki

    If the Spanish had had the same view of the Aztecs that the Aztecs had of the Spanish, the history of the Americas would be very different. Prisoner’s dilemma, Richard. Either both parties trust, or both parties distrust, or one party trusts and one does not. It’s better all around if both parties trust, but if only one party trusts? That side is fucked.

    We teach that everyone is equal today. It’s not a lesson everyone learns, because it’s not a lesson everyone lives. Too many young black folk think they’re trash, because they see society treating their parents like trash. And too many young white folk think everyone of color is trash, because they see society treating people of color like trash, or because they hear that people of color are trash and they hardly ever see people of color at all. Isolating the races will make that worse, not better.

    If people want to live with like-minded folks, we can’t stop them and shouldn’t and won’t try. But yes, everyone should absolutely be made to associate with people who aren’t like them, on equal terms. That’s the only way to get everyone to the bone-deep understanding that we’re all people together. Though I do have to admit, being forced to associate with you? Isn’t doing much to improve my opinion of racist fuckwits.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Is there even any legal basis for the US government to direct the settlement of refugees beyond immediate housing needs?

    And is there demographic data that would even support such ridiculous assertions?

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

    I’m afraid that you contradicted yourself. “If people want to live with like-minded folks, we can’t stop them and
    shouldn’t and won’t try. But yes, everyone should absolutely be made to
    associate with people who aren’t like them, on equal terms.”
    By saying you “shouldn’t and won’t try” to end the ability for people to separate themselves into their own communities, you say that racially conscious people should be able to separate themselves from multicultural society. Yet you contradicted yourself by saying that everyone “should absolutely be made to associate with people who aren’t like them.” Do you possibly have a part of you that agrees with my assertion that racially conscious people should be able to live in their own communities?
    Well, the belief of being forced is actually true. It sounds oppositional but holds a lot of truth, considering that people cannot have all-white or all-black schools, even if these schools were private and were opened in communities with large percentages of those eligible to attend. 

  • EllieMurasaki

    I am saying people can live in Whitesville all they want, but their kids need to go to school in Multiculturalville.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

     Fostering ethnic hatreds is easy enough when people live right next to each other (see: Yugoslavia, Serbs and Croats). How much easier would it be if the peoples in question barely have contact with one another?

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     Well, I’d be okay with that. We have to make compromise sometimes, and I feel that’s doable. ^_^

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

    In today’s globalist society, it wouldn’t matter how far away the groups reside. Unless of course, we teach everyone constatly that everyone is equal, in these monoracial societies, the chance of widespread ethnic hatred will be lowered.
    It is, however, difficult to ensure that everyone will foster egalitarian beliefs on behalf of equality as human beings.
    All I want is to live in “Whitesville” as EllieMurasaki put it. lol

  • EllieMurasaki

    And yet you think it is a good thing that that school you mentioned has only one student of color. And I suspect you strongly oppose desegregatory busing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     I don’t think it’s a good thing, really. I told you that I feel sorry for that girl in a few ways but hope she’s doing well.
    I oppose forced busing and would prefer separate busing, but I can easily compromise with busing and schools, if that’s what it takes to have a white community.

  • hidden_urchin

    …then Steve Jobs has an unlikely chance of being inbred.

    I take it you’ve never heard of “pedigree collapse” then?  We all have some measure of inbreeding.  It isn’t just about first cousins or whatever it is you think “inbreeding” means.  Since the reproductive population is currently quite large, however, the ocasional crossing of related genomes isn’t a problem because there is a far greater amount of outbreeding.  The problem is if you narrow the reproductive population, such as 17th century European royalty intermarrying in order to preserve family property.

    Were you hinting that I may be an inbred?

    No.  But if the rest of the world marries without regard for skin color in the distant future and your descendents do not then they will be.

  • Lori

     

    Is there even any legal basis for the US government to direct the settlement of refugees beyond immediate housing needs?  

    Not exactly. The government assigns refugees to their initial location, but where that is depends on which organizations volunteer to help them. The first group of Somali refugees was sent to Minneapolis because there were groups, mostly church-based, who volunteered to provide assistance and support. Naturally once a group gets settled and established later refugees follow them. 

    It’s the same reason Minneapolis-St. Paul has an incongruously large population of Hmong.

    And is there demographic data that would even support such ridiculous assertions? 

    Do you mean evidence that Richard would say supports it or evidence that a person without a racist axe to grind and a vivid fantasy life would say supports it?

    If the former, then yes. There are a few large pockets of non-white immigrants in previously very white locations.

    If the latter, then no. All those pockets have perfectly reasonable explanations that have nothing to do with the government using non-white immigrants as some sort of weapon against racists. (see above)

    If Richard wants to blame someone I guess he could whine to the Lutherans. Their aid organizations seem to be largely responsible for Minneapolis having large refugee populations.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Not exactly. The government assigns refugees to their initial location, but where that is depends on which organizations volunteer to help them. The first group of Somali refugees was sent to Minneapolis because there were groups, mostly church-based, who volunteered to provide assistance and support. Naturally once a group gets settled and established later refugees follow them.

    It’s the same reason Minneapolis-St. Paul has an incongruously large population of Hmong.

    Sounds like a rather innocuous “path dependence” thing then, where future events tend to evolve from one important past event.

    Hardly the stuff of “social engineering” conspiracies!

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     I understand the concept of “pedigree collapse” now that you mention it, but I don’t believe that someone whose family hasn’t in the past 20 years ever had someone of another race in their family lineage means that inbreeding can occur. There are hundreds of millions of white people out there and billions of Asians. If they keep to themselves in reproducing, then I don’t understand how inbreeding would occur, unless they reproduced in the same family.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     That would make sense, Lori. Thanks.
    Could I add in something else? You’re familiar with Vidor, Texas, right? It’s a former sundown town in the Beaumont area off of I-10 in eastern Texas. Anyway in the early 1990s, Texas decided to diversify the area by opening section-8 housing for mostly minorities… A way of removing the stigma of it being a white town.
    The Texas state government, however, forgot about the upcoming Camellia White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan rally… As a result of the rally, nearly all the residents in the public housing developments ditched the area. Because the government sent in non-whites to break down the sundown town, I thought it would be plausible that the government would send refugees to Kalispell to offset any hope of a large white town.
    I mean, it could happen. The Texas government did it… Governor Schweitzer of Montana could easily suggest such for Kalispell, too.

  • AnonymousSam

    It doesn’t entirely surprise me. It’s been a big thing in the campaigning here in my state — oddly, on behalf of both Democrats and Republicans. I guess we’re just an awesome state that way.

    What saddens me though is that the Texas GOP has added repealing the Voter Rights Act of 1965 to their official platform, right next to opposing higher education and critical thinking skills.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

    If the document is “codified and updated,” then it shows dishonesty on the part of the Texas GOP. We don’t know what they wish to modify, and that’s a darn shame for right-wing politics in Texas. 

  • hidden_urchin

    I understand the concept of “pedigree collapse” now that you mention it…

    Yeah?  Did Google help you with that one?

    …I don’t believe that someone whose family hasn’t in the past 20 years ever had someone of another race in their family lineage means that inbreeding can occur.

    Twenty years?  My posts are referring to ”multiple generations” and a “distant future.”  That is a much greater timescale than twenty years. If you can’t even tell the difference between a twenty year time span and “multiple generations” or “distant future” then there is no way you can understand anything else I’m saying because my posts require a better reading comprehension level than early grade school.

    I’m suspicious, though, that you understand quite well what I am saying and are feigning ignorance because to acknowledge that what I am saying is accurate would be to demonstrate your complete and utter idiocy and to ignore what I am saying altogether would defeat your stated purpose of staying on the board until you can post unchallenged.

  • AnonymousSam

    I was only able to find one source indicating this event had ever taken place, and it was actually very unprofessional and biased, and the official Ku Klux Klan website for that region points to… a Korean-Japanese belly dancer’s homepage. Wikipedia references the event in question, but with no citation whatsoever beyond that one disputed source and is thus contested as reliable information.

    Likewise, the Wikipedia article made reference to the KKK murder of one of said families who were allegedly moved there — and could still only provide one citation, the same as the above. It doesn’t speak well of the source that even the
    date of the event is in question — it’s either 1964
    or 1993. The source is also heavily anecdotally driven and comes from
    CNN, which I can’t speak much of, public news media being what it is.

    I’m not saying that it didn’t happen, but it seems odd that there would be so little record of it ever happening if it did. The one source each article cites is so questionable that I’d be inclined to chalk it up to a crackpot getting air time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     Pardon me. 20 generations is what I meant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.hansen.1675 Richard Hansen

     The KKK rally may not have served as the catalyst for the public housing families to leave; however, we do know one thing. They did leave shortly after arriving and not because of budget cuts.

  • Kiba

    Yeah…I’m guessing someone hasn’t heard about the Tarim mummies.

  • hidden_urchin

    …I don’t believe that someone whose family hasn’t in the past 20 [generations] ever had someone of another race in their family lineage means that inbreeding can occur.

    As I have said several times now, and do not intend to say again because it is really simple and you should have understood it by now, the amount of inbreeding depends on the size of the reproductive population.  Inbreeding can absolutely occur within twenty generations if the reproductive population is small due to geographic isolation, such as on an island, or due to social convention, such as groups that intentionally isolate themselves from others. 

    Your hypothetical family may not have a problem if their place of residence for that time was a large population center but if they are from an island community with few immigrants then inbreeding is far more likely.

    The bad assumption that you are making is that every person capable of reproducing is a potential reproductive partner. 

    There are hundreds of millions of white people out there and billions of Asians. If they keep to themselves in reproducing, then I don’t understand how inbreeding would occur, unless they reproduced in the same family.

    The bad assumption that you are making, again, is that every person capable of reproducing is a potential reproductive partner. 

    Ideologically, white separatists are not a massive group.  The group will only get smaller as the rest of the world becomes more understanding, multicultural, and heterogeneous.  People will leave the group due to ideological conflicts which will reduce the reproductive population.  There will be fewer people outside the group who meet the standards for “whiteness” which will reduce chances for outbreeding even if they aren’t repulsed by the group’s ideology.  As the reproductive population of the group shrinks inbreeding will become inevitable.  Eventually, the number of genetic problems will be so overwhelming that no reproduction will occur.  The group will cease to exist.

    That’s the great irony of race-based reproduction.  In the end, homogeneity leads to extinction.


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