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“He tells me that he ‘absolutely loved’ Johnny Cash, ‘Folsom Prison Blues’ being a new favorite.”

“The people most likely to misreport high levels of giving were those who said faith was very important to them and those who attend services more than weekly.”

“In 2012, some have difficulty remembering when all Americans knew that our future rides on the backs of organized labor.”

Why not cut out the middle man and just borrow the money from the Fed ourselves?

You shall not abuse a needy and destitute laborer, whether a fellow Israelite or a stranger in one of the communities of your land.”

Anybody can be on any side of this desk at any time. … We all struggle. And that is why this agency is here, OK?”

More of that conservative red-state generosity.

“[Ayn Rand's] theories are works of fiction. Her works of fiction are theories, and bad ones at that. Should the Republicans actually win in 2012, we might need to study her in the academic world. It would be for the same reason we sometimes need to study creationism.”

“Of course, if someone has lost their home, telling them to ‘go home and call 211′ isn’t exactly a compelling suggestion since most of us don’t have multiple homes.”

“But, quite plainly, Mitt Romney has no intention of saying anything that his audience doesn’t want to hear, and what he thinks his audience wants to hear is that America is great, and the only reason everything isn’t hunky dory is that we are led by a man who doesn’t understand that America is great.”

“How, you may ask, did the Party of Lincoln become home to right wing radicals? The answer is, they were invited.”

“It’s about an evangelical takeover of the GOP, but also in turn a takeover of evangelicalism by political conservatism.”

“On Monday, Michael Bayly, the director of Catholics for Marriage Equality, noticed a spike in requests for the group’s lawn signs, which read, ‘Another Catholic Voting No.’”

For about one-fourth the cost, such nonviolent, low-level criminals could be rehabilitated in community-based programs aimed at curing their addictions to alcohol and drugs.”

“Remember, the only kind of criticism that doesn’t make you a better writer is dishonest criticism. That, and someone telling you that you have weird shoulders.”

“In the time it takes me to ____________, Mitt Romney makes $____________.”

Mega-church downsizes, cuts non-essential members

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  • http://mordicai.livejournal.com Mordicai

    I thought that first link was going to be to some conservative prison-baron politico, in the wake of “I am Paul Ryan & I love Rage Against the Machine because I am an expert in cognitive dissonance!”

  • Lori

    This is trivial, but I have to ask—do people not read Rikki-Tikki-Tavi in school any more? Do I need to add that to the list of references that I need to stop assuming most people will get? 

  • http://deird1.dreamwidth.org Deird

    What the hell is Rikki-Tikki-Tavi?

  • EllieMurasaki

    I think it’s Kipling? It involves mongooses (mongeese?) and cobras, and I should reread it. I wonder…hah. http://rikkitikkitavi.net/pages/rikkitikkitavistory.html

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I sure didn’t.

  • Patrick Anderson

    Been out of school for a while, but we never covered Rikki-Tikki-Tavi.  No idea what it is.

  • Carstonio

    I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve never read the Kipling story and am familiar only with the Chuck Jones cartoon version. 

  • Lori

    OK. Now I’m sort of sad.

    Rikki-Tikki-Tavi is a mongoose. EllieMurasaki is correct that it’s from a Kipling story.

  • Kiba

    We didn’t read it when I was in school (80s) but we did get the watch the movie a few times. 
    And I still really want a mongoose >.<

  • Lori

     Never be ashamed of familiarity with the work of Chuck Jones :)

  • Lori

    Me too. I was fascinated by Rikki-Tikki-Tavi when I was kid. Not really a surprise given my life-long adoration of small, furry critters.

  • hagsrus

     You know, the mega-church story could actually be sort of a valid parable. Or something…

    Don’t miss the Nursery Fast Pass page!

  • Kiba

    Hehe it’s thanks to that movie that I ended up getting a ferret a few years back. She was great fun** and the only animal that my cat (at the time) actually liked. My cat wasn’t fond of other animals and I think the only reason she put up with the ferret was because she didn’t know what in the hell it actually was. 

    **She got into everything. Drawers, the fridge, cupboards, closets, shoes….

  • Monala

    Link #2: wow. That really gives a new twist to Fred’s recent post on church-goers giving more to churches than non-church-goers.

    I wonder how that changes the overall stats about studies that indicate that religious people give more than non-religious. Since it appears that religious people overestimate how much they give, how likely is it that those who give to secular charities are doing the same? Any thoughts?

    I’m not sure.  OTOH, it might be easier to overestimate church giving, since it’s habitual and expected, whereas with secular giving, the giver usually makes a conscious decision to give. OTOH, when I belonged to a church that stressed tithing, I was careful to keep good records so I could itemize my charitable deductions at the end of the year. Now that I’m not doing that, I can’t remember when and how  much I’ve given this year. (It’s no where near 10%).

  • Monala

    “Anybody can be on any side of this desk at any time. ” So, so true. So how doe we help our fellow USians realize this?

  • http://www.oliviareviews.com/ PepperjackCandy

    “This is done entirely privately. One of the downsides of releasing
    one’s financial information is that this is now all public, but we had
    never intended our contributions to be known.”

    If his tithing is so intensely personal, why does Romney share that information with the IRS?

    It’s real simple, Mitt.  If you don’t want your contributions to be known, don’t tell anyone.

  • Monala

     From the Chronicle of Philanthropy, via another article at HuffPo:

    “When religious giving isn’t counted, the geography of giving is very
    different. Some states in the Northeast would jump into the top 10 when
    secular gifts alone are counted. New York would vault from No. 18 to No.
    2 in the rankings, and Pennsylvania would climb from No. 40 to No. 4.”

  • Carstonio

    The quote from the Commandments of Men blog seems to take it for granted that fundamentalists don’t consider Mormons to be Christians. How many other divisions of Christianity take the same attitude? 

  • PJ Evans

    ‘ Run and find out’. (That’s Rikki’s motto.)

  • Anon! A Mouse!

     “Mega-church downsizes, cuts non-essential members”

    This is real, and not a Poe?  Seriously?!?!?

    If real, it sadly doesn’t surprise me that “the move to dis-invite people has drawn positive response
    from men in the community who like the idea of an in-your-face church.”  (emphasis mine)

  • Richard Hershberger

     No, it’s a Poe.  I wasn’t sure, reading it, but I checked out the website it is on.  It is a parody site, in the same vein as Landover Baptist.

  • Amaryllis

     “Lark News” is a parody site. But, like The Onion, it does its job so well that it can be hard to tell from the real thing.

    My favorite “news story” was the one about the little boy who died and went to Heaven and came back to tell about it. He was thrilled to have seen all his dead relatives again…except, ooops, where’s Grandma?

  • http://redwoodr.tumblr.com Redwood Rhiadra

    How many other divisions of Christianity take the same attitude?

    Catholics: http://truthandgrace.com/Catholiconmormon.htm – note the first section about the Vatican declaring Mormon baptisms invalid – while they accept baptisms by virtually every other denomination that calls itself Christian.

    Money quote: While the Mormon baptismal rite refers to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Mormon beliefs about the identity of the three persons is so different from Catholic and mainline Christian belief that “one cannot even consider this doctrine to be a heresy arising from a false understanding of Christian doctrine,” said a Vatican explanation of the ruling.

  • Nenya

    We had Rikki-Tikki-Tavi in a reader at home, I think. Don’t think it was at school, but my parents had a book of stories, possibly a reprinted old children’s school reader from a hundred years ago, that had it in it. Made a big impression on me at the time. 

  • Matri

    So, so true. So how doe we help other USians realize this?

    Unfortunately, it looks like the only way to show them that is to put them on the business end of the desk.

    *sighs* Good luck with that. Call me when the pigs start making strafing runs.

  • Anton_Mates

    I’m not sure I got any Kipling in school, until we were sophisticated high schoolers and could read “The White Man’s Burden” and stuff like that.  Too much risk of parents complaining about race/colonialism issues, maybe.  I read the Jungle Book a gazillion times as a kid, though; a stuffed seal named Kotick still lives in my bedroom.

    Kiba:  Hehe it’s thanks to that movie that I ended up getting a ferret a few years back.

    I find that amusing, because the latest Casino Royale had a cobra-mongoose fight, and for some reason a ferret was playing the mongoose role.  Maybe you can’t train a mongoose to spar non-lethally with a snake, I dunno.

  • Guest

    “I thought, ‘A church that doesn’t allow wussies — that rocks,’” says Bob Clark, who admires the church more since they told him to get lost. He and Julie are now tithing and volunteering. “We’ve taken our place in church life,” he says.

    So the “church” sends them a form letter demanding they pay up or get lost, and Bob Clark admires the “church” because it “doesn’t allow wussies.” What the fuck would you call someone who immediately responds to a shakedown with compliance, but a HUGE WUSSY? And what is so in-your-face and impressive about sending an extortionate form letter? Is there any more craven way to confront someone than a form letter?

    If this man values strength so damn much, why doesn’t he show a little spine and LEAVE this pathetic excuse for a “church”?

  • RickRS

    The link is on LarkNews, a humor site.  Click the home link there and check out articles about a home schooler that had to camp out in the backyard after getting a suspension for arguing in “class”.  Or news that Jack Chick has purchased a bunch of popular comic strips like Garfield and Ziggy

  • http://timothy.green.name/ Timothy (TRiG)

     I certainly never read Rikki-Tikki-Tavi in school, but I did read it. Several times. I love the Jungle Book.

    TRiG.

  • http://timothy.green.name/ Timothy (TRiG)

    It’s not just Christians who view Mormons as non-Christian:

    While Mormons believe in Christ and have sprung from the Christian tradition, they have added on an entirely new set of beliefs to that one that change their faith entirely and distinguish it from Christianity.

    And therefore, in Islamic terms, Mormons are not Ahl-ul Kitab.

    TRiG.

  • Tricksterson

    I read it as a kid but not in school.  I highly reccomend it to anyone who hasn’t.

  • Tricksterson

    If it’s the version I think it is it’s very close to the story.

  • Tricksterson

    Small furry creatures that kick ass!

  • Tricksterson

    Most i think.  Since I’m not a Christian and don’t even get into the “Who’s a real Pagan” debates I could be wrong though.

  • Tricksterson

    That may have something to do with the Mormon habit of baptizing people sfter they’re dead and often without consulting their families (or at least the non-Mormon members)

  • http://redwoodr.tumblr.com Redwood Rhiadra

    The Church’s complaint is definitely more than just the baptism of the dead – the Vatican’s statement above was basically “What Mormons call the Trinity is so different that they are beyond mere heresy and are completely non-Christian.” A lot of Catholic guides on how to speak to Mormons seem to state something along the lines of “Do not be fooled by Mormons claiming to be Christian. Mormons are pagans who use the language of Christianity to pretend to have something in common with Christians, but their gods are not the true God.”

  • The_L1985

     OMG, I love the Jungle Books! <3

    But I think I'm an outlier, because I've read voraciously since I was a tiny tot.

  • The_L1985

     It is Kipling.  From volume 2 of the Jungle Books (vol. 1 was the Mowgli stories, and is even longer and better than the Disney version).

  • http://redwoodr.tumblr.com Redwood Rhiadra

     Oh, and let me add that the word “pagan” I used in my summation of the Catholic guides was used in several of those guides – I’m guessing that real pagans such as yourself might well not consider Mormons to be pagan :-)

  • The_L1985

     Traditionally?  All of them.

    Lately?  Only the ones whose members vote Democrat.

  • The_L1985

     The elephant’s trunk story from the Just-So Stories is still pretty popular, but I doubt many people realize that a) it’s Kipling, or b) it’s part of a larger book.

  • The_L1985

     Parody site.  Not real news.  Not a real person.

  • http://www.crochetgeek.net/ Jake

    Most, I imagine. I’m a secularized Jew who desn’t have the inside scoop, but between the fact that Mormons view as canonical a text which isn’t even accorded significant non-canonical status by other groups, and the sheer number of elements of their theology and mythology that aren’t even remotely close to those endorsed by other  Christian denominations, they’re pretty alien to Christianity as a whole.

    Contrast this with the movements of contemporary origin like the Jehovah’s Witnesses or Seventh-Day Adventists or Christian Scientists which are mostly mythohistorically compatible with mainstream Christianity, and, while often diverging on significant theological views (although, e.g. dogmatic mainstream Christians would soundly reject the Jehovah’s Witnesses as non-Christian on the grounds of their rejection of the Trinity), are recognizable as sprung from the same basic source. Mormonism, frankly, has an awful lot of additional belief which is unrecognizable even as substantively related to Christianity.

    I mean, sure, there’s no sharp line between “real Christians” and “non-Christians” that you’d get everybody to agree on, but I think an awful lot of Christians, even of the Big-Tent heterodoxy-tolerant variety (well, except the Unitarian Universalists, but, hey, they don’t even describe themselves as Christian, and the edges of their tent don’t stop at the edges of Christianity) would view the Mormons as a bit too unusual in their beliefs to really consider them Christian.

  • Tricksterson

    By and large, no.  Speaking for myself, since they don’t want to call themselves such, I’m not going to try and drag them in.

  • http://twitter.com/abianne abi who

    Long-time lurker, de-lurking at last to note that I *did* read Rikki-Tikki-Tavi in school… Ironically, it was in my 8th grade A Beka literature textbook. 

  • Eminnith

    Based on what I remember of various groups when growing up:
    Seventh Day Adventists – considered to be Christian by almost everyone. Weird Christians, but Christian.

    Christian Scientists – some groups thought CS were Christian, others didn’t.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses – widely thought of as a cult that sprung up from Christianity and wasn’t really Christina.

    Mormons – nobody but Mormons ever called Mormons Christian.

  • Madhabmatics

    The best Kipling poem is The Sons of Martha.

    They do not preach that their God will rouse them a
    little before the nuts work loose.
    They do not teach that His Pity allows them to drop
    their job when they dam’-well choose.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Lipton/100001171828568 Jeff Lipton

    I am OOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLDDDDDD!!!

    I not only remember reading Riki Tiki Tavi (it may have been in one of my Scholastic Books), but I remember the **SONG** as well!

    Riki Tiki Tavi Mongoose Is Gone

  • Baby_Raptor

    I read it in elementary or intermediate, but I graduated in 04 (In Texas, if that’s worth anything) so early grade school was a long ways back. 

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    I’ve been thinking of Mormonism as the Scientology of the 19th Century.


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