No, no, no — we were fine with D’Souza’s racism, but the adultery is upsetting

LifeWay Christian book stores still carry Dinesh D’Souza’s books. For now.

The journalistic scoop belongs to Warren Cole Smith of the very conservative World magazine, so we’ll quote from his report first:

About 2,000 people gathered on Sept. 28 at First Baptist North in Spartanburg, S.C., to hear high-profile Christians speak on defending the faith and applying a Christian worldview to their lives. Among the speakers: Eric Metaxas, Josh McDowell, and — keynote speaker for the evening — best-selling author, filmmaker, and Christian college president Dinesh D’Souza.

Dinesh D’Souza says anti-colonialism is un-American. He even says this in D.C., in a city named after George Washington.

D’Souza’s speech earned him a standing ovation and a long line at the book-signing table immediately afterward. Although D’Souza has been married for 20 years to his wife, Dixie, in South Carolina he was with a young woman, Denise Odie Joseph II,* and introduced her to at least three people as his fiancée.

Finally, near 11 p.m., event organizer Tony Beam escorted D’Souza and Joseph to the nearby Comfort Suites. Beam noted that they checked in together and were apparently sharing a room for the night in the sold-out hotel. The next morning, around 6 a.m., Beam arrived back at the hotel and called up to D’Souza’s room. “We’ll be down in 10 minutes,” D’Souza told Beam. D’Souza and Joseph came down together, and Beam took them to the airport.

The next day another conference organizer, Alex McFarland, distressed by D’Souza’s behavior, confronted him in a telephone conversation. D’Souza admitted he shared a room with his fiancée but said “nothing happened.” When I called D’Souza, he confirmed that he was indeed engaged to Joseph, but did not explain how he could be engaged to one woman while still married to another. When asked when he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, D’Souza answered, “Recently.”

Amy Sullivan describes “The Right-wing Rivalry Behind” that scoop:

Needless to say, this sort of thing is frowned upon in the conservative religious circles in which D’Souza is usually celebrated. So it is perhaps unsurprising that the story was broken by Warren C. Smith, a writer and associate publisher for the evangelical World magazine. The publication has a history of covering problems within the evangelical world, and it has not shied away from stories about preacher scandals or church abuse of women. But this particular story may have interested the magazine for a different reason: World’s editor-in-chief is Marvin Olasky, the sometime Bush advisor who is no fan of D’Souza.

Olasky served, briefly, as provost of The King’s College. He resigned shortly after D’Souza became the school’s president. Read the whole thing for Sullivan’s take on the nasty history between these two nasty men.

Christianity Today’s report notes that “D’Souza has regularly appeared in CT’s pages.” One example of that is CT’s report on D’Souza’s hiring at King’s, which emphasized that the conservative activist’s Roman Catholic faith should not preclude him from membership in the evangelical tribe:

D’Souza’s wife, Dixie, is an evangelical, and the family has attended Calvary Chapel, a nondenominational evangelical church in San Diego, for the past 10 years. He has been invited to speak in several churches and colleges, including Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church and Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University.

“I do not describe myself as Catholic today. But I don’t want to renounce it either because it’s an important part of my background. I’m an American citizen, but I wouldn’t reject the Indian label because it’s part of my heritage,” D’Souza said. “I say I have a Catholic origin or background. I say I’m a nondenominational Christian, and I’m comfortable with born-again.”

He said that his views align with the Apostles’ Creed and C. S. Lewis’s Mere Christianity.

That’s the imprimatur — the stamp of approval.

But D’Souza wasn’t embraced by the evangelical tribe just because he affirms the creeds and C.S. Lewis. What made CT and King’s College and the rest of mainstream evangelicalism decide that D’Souza was one of us was his political history — a former policy aide in the Reagan White House, D’Souza is fiercely opposed to abortion, gay rights, feminism and progressive taxation.

As Sarah Posner said, “D’Souza’s … rise in the evangelical world is due in no small part to his conspiracy-minded claims about President Obama’s ‘Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior.'”

Yes, conspiratorial warnings about Africans and anti-colonialism contributed to D’Souza’s legitimacy among evangelicals.

Bruce Garrett notes some of D’Souza’s odious political history:

How the man who, while editor of the Dartmouth Review, penned a racist parody of African American students titled “This Sho Ain’t No Jive Bro” and later outed a gay student using stolen mail between members of the Dartmouth Gay Student Alliance can in any sense be labeled a Christian is something confederate Christianists can explain I suppose.

Those two themes — racism and anti-gay sentiment — have endured as the hallmarks of much of D’Souza’s “scholarship.”

Alvin McEwen highlights a 2008 article of D’Souza’s titled, “Gay Rights vs. Democracy,” in which he pulls the man-on-dog nonsense.

Here is D’Souza’s idea of scholarship: “Why doesn’t the Fourteenth Amendment protect the fellow who wants to walk down the aisle with his poodle on the grounds that ‘I love my dog and my dog loves me’?” (What is it about the idea of consent that confuses these folks so much?)

Grace at Are Women Human? echoes Garrett’s observation, noting — savoring — the irony that D’Souza’s adultery has done what his nasty racism and homophobia never did, diminished his standing amongst evangelicals. The entire post — a Snoopy-dance of schadenfreude — is great fun, but the kernel of it is summed up in this one tweet from Grace:

Does it matter than D’souza peddles racist, colonialist lies? Nope. But he shared a hotel room with a woman he’s not married to! OH NOES

Or, as she writes in the post itself:

Sarah Posner writes for Religion Dispatches that this (presumed) sex scandal may spell the end for D’Souza’s once rising star. Note, not the fact that he’s been peddling racist and colonialist lies to white Christians for fun and profit for the past forever, but because of what’s assumed about his marriage and sex life. PRIORITIES.

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* Brian Tashman at Right Wing Watch quotes from a post by Odie Joseph II at Smart Girl Politics, which bears the unfortunate title of “Whatever Happened to Good Ole Hypocrisy?

Feminists and liberals … tore the traditional family to shreds until they reduced us to the shining bastion of zoological (but even animals aren’t this bad and do not depend on the state to care for them) cesspool equality that we have now in every American ghetto and which is seeping out into the middle and upper classes in less animated ways.

Her bogeymen are just like those of her boyfriend: Black.

As women spearhead the demise of the ideal, the alternative to hypocrisy, they spearhead the demise of social order as we know it and love it. Henceforth, all of us will be staring down the barrel of life in a hip hop video or government-funded project. …

Buzzfeed snagged a cached copy of Odie Joseph’s blog (which disappeared when the story broke), which reveals her to have been a fan of D’Souza’s books — and of Ayn Rand.

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  • geraldfnord

     It is wrong to tar all the members of a community—in this case, the Goan—with the same brush, but I will admit to thinking that D’Souza bears that name because his ancestors changed their faith after the manner of their conquerors and wondered if they maintained the conviction that identified the Powerful with the Righteous…but this is rank speculation, and so I should also point out here that they might well have been low-caste persons whose conversion to a[n at-least-theoretically] more egalitarian faith were an estimable move.

  •  > What is your solution?

    I’m OK with the idea of a tier of ages during which consent is only considered possible with others in a narrow tier of ages, above which consent is always possible and below which it never is, like you describe.

    That said, if I were designing the system from scratch, I probably would not class all sex acts the same way.

    I might also explore a mechanism whereby individuals can petition for an exception. (E.g., if a sixteen-year-old is willing to go to Town Hall with their legal guardian and say “Yes, I’m dating a twenty-five-year-old, and everyone involved is OK with that,” I’d like Town Hall to have some way of responding “Huh. Well, you don’t seem to be being abused or coerced. Yeah, OK. $35 processing fee, and check in with us every six months” or whatever the revised standard is.)

  • geraldfnord

     > What is that even supposed to mean??

    ‘Blackity-black-black blackity,’ that‘s what it means.

    Oh, and ‘Women who dress slutty and let blackity-black-black men have sex with them,’—horrors! <img src=';

  • EllieMurasaki

    I am not okay with that. I am not sure, right now, why. Possibly it’s my personal squick in which case it ought to be ignored, but possibly it’s not.
    I don’t think it’d happen in any case. Adults digging in a teenager’s sex life are usually kind of up there on that teenager’s Embarrassing Things list, and in order to prove lack of abuse and coercion to the state’s satisfaction, there’d have to be a lot of such digging. Also we have too much case load and not enough social workers as it is.

  • hidden_urchin

    Yeah.  That was my reaction when I heard about it.  I think if it had happened one county over it would have been public urination, public drunkeness, and, maybe, trespassing because he was on the school grounds but it wouldn’t have been a big deal.  It would have been more of, “Yup,  we got another dumb drunk college student.  Here’s your fine.  Don’t do it again.”

    As I said, we had a authoritarian DA who was dead set against drunkeness and pro-family-we-must-protect-the-kids-at-all-costs which no doubt contributed to the sex offender label.  (Just guess his political affiliation.) His office was, I think, making an example of the kid to show how “tough on crime” they were.

    I am in general favor of the concept of labelling and tracking sex offenders since those people are true predators who are able to do what they do because they fly under the radar.  However, dear God, it needs to be responsibly applied and going after a college kid who picked the wrong spot to urinate, especially when there were no kids present, is not exactly what I would call responsible.

    I guess that’s a justice system for you.  It’s an extremely powerful, imperfect institution and can destroy lives when people inevitably err.  (I was thinking about that Innocence Project link from the other post.  What do you say when you set someone free after 15 years of wrongful imprisonment.  “So, we stole 15 years of the one life you get on this earth…sorry?”)

  • The other issue I don’t like is the unintended consequences of public registries. It’s gotten to the point where I routinely hear of some community organization or other grouping up to hound out some guy (it is usually a guy) on the registry who moved into the area.

    What, do these NIMBYs think that pushing a registered offender out of their neighborhood like a game of hot potato really solves anything? Dollars to donuts after the third or fourth time the offender just gets fed up, buys a fake ID, goes underground, and commits even more crimes.

    The people who should know about the details of a registry should be limited to the law enforcement and applicable psychiatric and other mental health authorities involved in the matter. Then they can keep tabs on all the you-know-whos out there.

    Mixed up in this is the distressing habit of moral-policing “pedophilia” to the point of using it as an armor-proof smear tool against anyone someone doesn’t like, as well as using it so broadly it can technically be used to refer to a 20-yo ogling a 17-yo.

    Back in the late ’90s I remember a few cases of software pirates being busted and the authorities would go “and mumblemumble possible child pornography.”

    Lord save me from the stupidity of this kind of crap.

  • For my part, I’m fine with the idea that most people are too embarrassed to go through the process of filing for an exception and therefore are subject to the default laws; that’s certainly no worse from my perspective than not having an exception mechanism available at all.

    I suppose, now that I think about it some more, that I’m really not looking at this as about sex at all, but rather about arbitrary age-based thresholds. I understand why we want to write laws that way; making case-by-case decisions is impractical for a lot of reasons. But I’m more comfortable if we acknowledge that if we draw a line such that it covers 95% of the population, that means 5% of the population isn’t covered, and if we can provide a mechanism whereby that 5% can be handled out-of-band (even if it means they have to cover the extra costs themselves, which of course has all kinds of class-discrimination issues, but is a place to start) that’s an improvement.

  • Joshua

    First, I’ve been on Disqus for a long time with this name.

    I would also appreciate it if you used a different name to post. The other Lori has been here longer than we’ve been at Patheos, IIRC, and has been a prolific poster most of that time.

    It’s not to anyone’s advantage for your views to be confused with her views, including you.

  • fraser

     Yes the right-wing’s general attitude is that date rape is sluts with “buyer’s remorse.”

  • fraser

     Actually there’s lots of discretion. Back in the ’90s, law enforcement in some areas announced it was going to Crack Down on older men committing statutory rape. The unsurprising result was that the 19-year-old grease m0nkey with a 15 year old girlfriend does hard time; the respected 35 year old lawyer with a teenage girlfriend–well, you don’t want to ruin the career of a respected member of the community, do you?

  • RidgewayGirl

    D’Souza took his fiancee with him to SC, the same state that thought Newt Gingrich would make a fine president. In the weeks leading up to the primaries, there was discussion on local talk radio (I know! But there isn’t that much to listen to while driving out here) rationalizing how Gingrich was a better family man than our current President. I can see D’Souza thinking that it would fly in South Carolina, where one’s sexual reputation is based more on toeing the Tea Party line than on any actual heterosexual activity.

  • Daughter

     Someone may have already pointed this out, but the woman in question is not white. Her skin is definitely brown, and her hair is bleached blonde (the dark roots are showing). Someone on another site suggested that she too might be of Indian descent.

  • Daughter

     Ive seen team Obama play the race card for 6 years now.

    O Really? Exactly how have you seen this?

  • Probably under the same conditions that increasingly seem to indicate that if you’re black and in politics (and a Democrat), you’re automatically playing the race card by existing? Kind of like “if you point out someone’s acting racist, you’re the real racist for bringing it up.”

  • P J Evans

    Al Capone certainly was. Don’t know about Dillinger.

  • Obotsarelonelyfools

    uh..the question is – how have you not?

    been loopy mainlinin’ hopium fanboy? 

  • Daughter

     Ah, no answer except to make some bizarre insult. OK then.

  • Obotsarelonelyfools

    fella – after 5 straight years of  false and endless charges of racism – if you choose to pretend that reality isnt real – dont expect me to treat you as a serious person.

  • Joshua

    I just read a story in the paper about a guy on an aircraft in flight who started screaming and tried to open the door.

    Turns out he was continuously drunk for the previous 50 days (not a typo) and erroneously believed the wing was on fire.

    Maybe something similar is happening here. For the previous six years.

  • Tricksterson

    Then don’t expect us to treat you as a serious person unless you can cite and defend specific examples.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Obama is being black and Democratic in public. What further evidence for Obama playing the race card could there possibly be?

  • Obotsarelonelyfools

    who the F is “us” fanboy?

    if you wanna know the whole story – heres the link you twit:

  • EllieMurasaki

    This is a fun game. Can I play?

  • Obotsarelonelyfools


  • EllieMurasaki

    Aw, you don’t want to play anymore? We were having such fun, too. Don’t forget to take your ball when you leave!

  • Obotsarelonelyfools

    are you five years old?  

    if so thats very sad cause that means youve got lots of years of bitterness and regret after your precious falls and fails in 18 days.  Enjoy every last one of them – youve earned them.

    Im a lifelong labor left dem here in DC and I know whats happening – while you dont – this election – its over -the trendlines have spoken.

    We are done here – even though we both know you cant stop.  But I can.  Buh bye lonely obot fanboy(or girl)

    Romney 2012
    Clintons 2016

  • Lori

    Hey, um. Lori with the rainbow-y sheep thing? There’s another Lori around here. Is that also you?  


    Rainbow critter* Lori and the other (more recently arrived) Lori are not the same person.

    *It’s actually flowers, but in icon size I think the consensus was that it looks like a bison.

  • EllieMurasaki

    I’m voting for the only presidential ticket that has the nerve to get arrested in the course of defending people’s rights, dumbass, I’m voting Stein/Honkala.

  • Lori


    Hmm…mentioning that his wife of twenty years helped him build his
    career gives me a lot less sympathy for her. His career is being a total

    On one hand, you have a point there. On the other hand, there are plenty of lawyers who are total shitheads and I think it still sucks when they screw over their wives.

    Aside from that, I’m not sure how active a part she played in building his career. Could be a lot, could be little more than providing his “in” with the Evangelical community. It might be possible to find out, but I sort of don’t want to look. I’m not a big fan of kicking over rocks that are likely to be covering creepy-crawlies and I fear what might turn up as a result of trying to Google info on D’Souza’s marriage.

  • Consumer Unit 5012


    I still find it a little bizarre that some professed Christians on the political right have no problem praising avarice.

    They’re going for the whole set.  Avarice, Gluttony, WRATH, Sloth, Pride, they envy the Poor for their government cheese, and they treat all Others as objects instead of people (Lust).

    Remind me again why we’re not supposed to call these people Satan-worshippers?

  • Lori


    after 5 straight years of  false and endless charges of racism  

    Oh sure, the racism is all imaginary.


    if you choose to pretend that reality isnt real – dont expect me to treat you as a serious person.   

    Right back at ya.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Remind me again why we’re not supposed to call these people Satan-worshippers?

    In my NaNo, assuming I write the original novel idea instead of the Supernatural fanfic idea, Lucifer’s the good guy. Or at least the no more evil than the average human guy. This is why.

  • Lori


    Im a lifelong labor left dem here in DC and I know whats happening –
    while you dont – this election – its over -the trendlines have spoken. 

    Either you’re a liar or you’re really, really racist. There’s no other explination for a supposed lifelong labor left Dem to be supporting a fat cat job killer like Romney.

    As for the trendlines, we already have one poll obsessed annoyance here, we certainly don’t need another so I’ll just say meet us back here on November 8th and we’ll talk about it.

  • I’m a little happier with his Obama “documentary” making so much money now that I know it’s going to be alimony, not yacht payments.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    No, Lunch Meat, when I met Dinesh, I did not tell him he is a hateful slanderer, because he is not a hateful slanderer.  He is not a racist.  He does not hate homosexuals.  He does not hate anyone.  Period.

  • Lori

    So you’re a mind reader are you, Ginny? You met him and now you know for a fact that he doesn’t hate anyone? How exactly do you explain all the hate he spews? Is some other guy who looks just like him and has the same name going around making trouble for poor, loving Dinesh? Or maybe you’re one of those folks who calls hate that you agree with love and thinks that the only hate is disagreeing with Christians?

  • Lunch Meat

    How the man who, while editor of the Dartmouth Review, penned a racist
    parody of African American students titled “This Sho Ain’t No Jive Bro”
    and later outed a gay student using stolen mail between members of the
    Dartmouth Gay Student Alliance can in any sense be labeled a Christian
    is something confederate Christianists can explain I suppose.

    How is this loving? How is this Christlike? How is this kind or helpful? How is this not judgmental? How is the second action not a gross violation of privacy?

    Why are you more concerned about Fred’s calling this actions out then you are about the actions in the first place?

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Cultural curiosity you say.  I beg to differ, FearlessSon.  It’s more like vultures flying around, delighting in the supposed fall of a brilliant, exemplary Christian apologist.  Folks these days do not care whether or not there is a shred of truth to sad reports such as this; they jump on the bandwagon of hate as quickly as they can, to join in the delicious feeding frenzy of attempting to destroy a fine man.  They relish it, and hope it is true.  Revenge is quite a motivator, huh?  There is no care about what it might do to his heart, or reputation or the quality of his life.  There is a Scriptural way to approach Dinesh’s “possible” situation (Matthew 18), but I guess the emergent “church” does not cotton to such.  You are all just a bunch of bullies, buddies with the world, no better than those who were the cause of young Amanda Todd’s recent demise.

  • Lunch Meat

    There is a Scriptural way to approach Dinesh’s “possible” situation
    (Matthew 18), but I guess the emergent “church” does not cotton to such.

    Again: Why did D’souza not approach Obama in this way? Why did he viciously out a gay student instead of approaching him in person? Why should we be held to this standard when D’souza is just forgiven? Is it just because you agree with him and think he’s brilliant?

  • Lori

     The fact that you consider Dinesh D’Souza “a brilliant, exemplary Christian apologist” tells us a great deal about you, none of which is flattering.

    Folks these days do not care whether or not there is a shred of truth to
    sad reports such as this; they jump on the bandwagon of hate as quickly
    as they can, to join in the delicious feeding frenzy of attempting to
    destroy a fine man.  They relish it, and hope it is true.  Revenge is
    quite a motivator, huh?

    You are distorting Fred’s post and the discussion of it in order to defend D’Souza. There’s a name for that. You clearly have energy for worrying about people’s unchristian reactions to things. You should focus that energy on yourself.

    You are all just a bunch of bullies, buddies with the world, no better
    than those who were the cause of young Amanda Todd’s recent demise. 

    It paraphrase a recent line from Connie Briton, you have about 500 miles of nerve saying this. The fact that you are trying to use the death of a young girl this way should be a source of everlasting shame to you.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Flippin’ No MObama is NOT a Christian brother.  We do not know the full story about the homosexual (not gay) student he supposedly outed, and perhaps Dinesh was not a Christian then.  Maybe he did that, maybe he didn’t.  Christians are not perfect, but the One they serve is!

  • Lunch Meat

    Flippin’ No MObama is NOT a Christian brother.

    This is called bearing false witness. It’s a sin.

    In an interview with the evangelical periodical Christianity Today,
    Obama stated: “I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe
    in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe
    that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal
    On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his
    religious views saying “I’m a Christian by choice. My family
    didn’t—frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my
    mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t
    raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life,
    and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of
    the kind of life that I would want to lead—being my brothers’ and
    sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me.”[311][312]

  • Albanaeon

    Anyone else being reminded of that bumpersticker “Jesus may love you, but everyone else things you’re an ass”? 

    Seriously, I don’t give a rat’s ass as to how many times he’s prayed to his god for forgiveness.  He’s clearly left the actual people he’s hurt and the damage that he’s done untouched and that makes any amount of “sinner’s prayers” not worth the oxygen they consumed.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Thank you, thank you very much, Lori, for your compliment.  If it was meant to sting, it didn’t.  Believe me, I’ve heard much worse countless times, because the majority of folks these days are mean, due to living in this raunchy society.  You all sound the same, whether you are part of the postmodern church or part of the corrupt world – a broken record.  You are so predictable.  Yawn…  So hateful, like Frankie Schaeffer.  Venomous.  Miserable.  The vitriol you spew forth for those who do not believe as you do is unfathomable.  For as much as tolerance is touted these days, it’s laughable how intolerant everyone is towards genuine disciples of Jesus Christ, you know, those who believe in costly grace.  Costly because it cost Jesus His life!  You are the ones who should be ashamed, but you will not allow yourselves to feel the pain of conviction.  The fear of God is gone missing!  

  • Lori

    Flippin’ No MObama is NOT a Christian brother. 

    So in your version of Christianity it’s OK to lie about someone as long as you’ve decided he’s not your Christian brother? Can I have chapter and verse on that? Also, you’re the one justifying lying and we’ve vicious and miserable? Nice little bit of projection you have going on there.

    You’ve shown us all exactly who you are  and the picture you’ve painted of yourself is not good.

    The fear of God is gone missing! 

    Yes, it has. You clearly do not fear the God you claim to follow. You should either work on that or shut up about it.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Ha!  Many claim to be Christian that are not!  You’re kidding me, right?  Have you read the Bible, Spammie?  Devout Christians are not adamant that babies who survive an abortion be left to die alone on a blue pad, struggling for every breath!  Devout Christians do not advocate the ruthless slaughtering of the most defenseless and vulnerable among us!  Devout Christians are not bought by the money of homosexuals!  Devout Christians do not have ornaments with the face of Chairman Mao hanging on the people’s Christmas tree!  Devout Christians are not chums with Bill Ayers and Hugo Chavez.  Devout Christians do not lie to the nation about Planned Barrenhood doing mammograms!  Presidential much?  I rang up two of their slaughter houses yesteday to schedule a mammogram.  When I was told they do not do them, I asked them why our illustrious president and the head of PB are both spreading the lie that that do.  Devout Christians do not wear rings for 30 years that proclaim, “There is no god but allah.”    

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    What a lady you are, Lori!

  • Lunch Meat

    Your double standard and circular reasoning are as obvious as they are pathetic and disgusting.

    D’Souza is a Christian (and therefore we should be nice and nonjudgmental and forgiving toward him, and definitely not ever criticize him at all) because he claims to be. His unChristlike actions (lying, violating others’ privacy, racism) do not disqualify him from being a Christian because he’s “a mere man”, “forgiven”, and “it’s no one’s business but his own”. How do we know he’s forgiven of his unChristlike actions? Because he’s a Christian!

    Obama is not a Christian (and therefore we should call him rude, racist names, twist his words and actions, and criticize him happily and indiscriminately) because even though he claims to be, he doesn’t believe exactly what you believe and doesn’t look like you think a Christian should look. What you believe are unChristlike actions (even though Jesus never opposed abortion, refused to spend time with homosexuals, criticized pacifism, or said that capitalism is the only way to go) obviously disqualify him from being a Christian because he’s not, and should not be, forgiven. How do we know he’s not forgiven? Because he’s not a Christian!

    I suspect you would use the exact same logic to describe me and on Fred Clark. Are you so sure of yourself you can’t see that it could just as easily apply to you, D’Souza, and probably any number of other “exemplary, brilliant apologists.”

  • I don’t know anything about Divorce D’Spousa’s apologetics, but I can say his movie on Obama was an intentionally deceptive and boring piece of shit. If he’s under a commandment from the ruler of the universe not to bear false witness and Christianity is the correct religion, he’s earned himself an eternity of agony just for the movie, let alone trying to trade his wife in for a younger and prettier model.

  • Lori

    That assessment means so much coming from a person who makes fun of a poster’s userID.

    So, you think that calling Lunch Meat “Spammy” is ladylike and lying is good Christian behavior.

    Your opinions are duly noted and clearly totally worthless.