No, no, no — we were fine with D’Souza’s racism, but the adultery is upsetting

LifeWay Christian book stores still carry Dinesh D’Souza’s books. For now.

The journalistic scoop belongs to Warren Cole Smith of the very conservative World magazine, so we’ll quote from his report first:

About 2,000 people gathered on Sept. 28 at First Baptist North in Spartanburg, S.C., to hear high-profile Christians speak on defending the faith and applying a Christian worldview to their lives. Among the speakers: Eric Metaxas, Josh McDowell, and — keynote speaker for the evening — best-selling author, filmmaker, and Christian college president Dinesh D’Souza.

Dinesh D’Souza says anti-colonialism is un-American. He even says this in D.C., in a city named after George Washington.

D’Souza’s speech earned him a standing ovation and a long line at the book-signing table immediately afterward. Although D’Souza has been married for 20 years to his wife, Dixie, in South Carolina he was with a young woman, Denise Odie Joseph II,* and introduced her to at least three people as his fiancée.

Finally, near 11 p.m., event organizer Tony Beam escorted D’Souza and Joseph to the nearby Comfort Suites. Beam noted that they checked in together and were apparently sharing a room for the night in the sold-out hotel. The next morning, around 6 a.m., Beam arrived back at the hotel and called up to D’Souza’s room. “We’ll be down in 10 minutes,” D’Souza told Beam. D’Souza and Joseph came down together, and Beam took them to the airport.

The next day another conference organizer, Alex McFarland, distressed by D’Souza’s behavior, confronted him in a telephone conversation. D’Souza admitted he shared a room with his fiancée but said “nothing happened.” When I called D’Souza, he confirmed that he was indeed engaged to Joseph, but did not explain how he could be engaged to one woman while still married to another. When asked when he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, D’Souza answered, “Recently.”

Amy Sullivan describes “The Right-wing Rivalry Behind” that scoop:

Needless to say, this sort of thing is frowned upon in the conservative religious circles in which D’Souza is usually celebrated. So it is perhaps unsurprising that the story was broken by Warren C. Smith, a writer and associate publisher for the evangelical World magazine. The publication has a history of covering problems within the evangelical world, and it has not shied away from stories about preacher scandals or church abuse of women. But this particular story may have interested the magazine for a different reason: World’s editor-in-chief is Marvin Olasky, the sometime Bush advisor who is no fan of D’Souza.

Olasky served, briefly, as provost of The King’s College. He resigned shortly after D’Souza became the school’s president. Read the whole thing for Sullivan’s take on the nasty history between these two nasty men.

Christianity Today’s report notes that “D’Souza has regularly appeared in CT’s pages.” One example of that is CT’s report on D’Souza’s hiring at King’s, which emphasized that the conservative activist’s Roman Catholic faith should not preclude him from membership in the evangelical tribe:

D’Souza’s wife, Dixie, is an evangelical, and the family has attended Calvary Chapel, a nondenominational evangelical church in San Diego, for the past 10 years. He has been invited to speak in several churches and colleges, including Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church and Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University.

“I do not describe myself as Catholic today. But I don’t want to renounce it either because it’s an important part of my background. I’m an American citizen, but I wouldn’t reject the Indian label because it’s part of my heritage,” D’Souza said. “I say I have a Catholic origin or background. I say I’m a nondenominational Christian, and I’m comfortable with born-again.”

He said that his views align with the Apostles’ Creed and C. S. Lewis’s Mere Christianity.

That’s the imprimatur — the stamp of approval.

But D’Souza wasn’t embraced by the evangelical tribe just because he affirms the creeds and C.S. Lewis. What made CT and King’s College and the rest of mainstream evangelicalism decide that D’Souza was one of us was his political history — a former policy aide in the Reagan White House, D’Souza is fiercely opposed to abortion, gay rights, feminism and progressive taxation.

As Sarah Posner said, “D’Souza’s … rise in the evangelical world is due in no small part to his conspiracy-minded claims about President Obama’s ‘Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior.’”

Yes, conspiratorial warnings about Africans and anti-colonialism contributed to D’Souza’s legitimacy among evangelicals.

Bruce Garrett notes some of D’Souza’s odious political history:

How the man who, while editor of the Dartmouth Review, penned a racist parody of African American students titled “This Sho Ain’t No Jive Bro” and later outed a gay student using stolen mail between members of the Dartmouth Gay Student Alliance can in any sense be labeled a Christian is something confederate Christianists can explain I suppose.

Those two themes — racism and anti-gay sentiment — have endured as the hallmarks of much of D’Souza’s “scholarship.”

Alvin McEwen highlights a 2008 article of D’Souza’s titled, “Gay Rights vs. Democracy,” in which he pulls the man-on-dog nonsense.

Here is D’Souza’s idea of scholarship: “Why doesn’t the Fourteenth Amendment protect the fellow who wants to walk down the aisle with his poodle on the grounds that ‘I love my dog and my dog loves me’?” (What is it about the idea of consent that confuses these folks so much?)

Grace at Are Women Human? echoes Garrett’s observation, noting — savoring — the irony that D’Souza’s adultery has done what his nasty racism and homophobia never did, diminished his standing amongst evangelicals. The entire post — a Snoopy-dance of schadenfreude — is great fun, but the kernel of it is summed up in this one tweet from Grace:

Does it matter than D’souza peddles racist, colonialist lies? Nope. But he shared a hotel room with a woman he’s not married to! OH NOES

Or, as she writes in the post itself:

Sarah Posner writes for Religion Dispatches that this (presumed) sex scandal may spell the end for D’Souza’s once rising star. Note, not the fact that he’s been peddling racist and colonialist lies to white Christians for fun and profit for the past forever, but because of what’s assumed about his marriage and sex life. PRIORITIES.

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* Brian Tashman at Right Wing Watch quotes from a post by Odie Joseph II at Smart Girl Politics, which bears the unfortunate title of “Whatever Happened to Good Ole Hypocrisy?

Feminists and liberals … tore the traditional family to shreds until they reduced us to the shining bastion of zoological (but even animals aren’t this bad and do not depend on the state to care for them) cesspool equality that we have now in every American ghetto and which is seeping out into the middle and upper classes in less animated ways.

Her bogeymen are just like those of her boyfriend: Black.

As women spearhead the demise of the ideal, the alternative to hypocrisy, they spearhead the demise of social order as we know it and love it. Henceforth, all of us will be staring down the barrel of life in a hip hop video or government-funded project. …

Buzzfeed snagged a cached copy of Odie Joseph’s blog (which disappeared when the story broke), which reveals her to have been a fan of D’Souza’s books — and of Ayn Rand.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Which is of course why a woman coming to Planned Parenthood wanting to be rid of a pregnancy before being pregnant (or being pregnant while in an abusive relationship) seriously harms her is sent away still pregnant, and a woman coming to Planned Parenthood wanting to keep a pregnancy that her partner does not want kept is sent away with no help in the area of getting away from her partner.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    The point is Obamao told us Planned Barrenhood does mammograms, and they do NOT.  Presidential much for him to lie like that?

    Bill Ayers is a bomber, among other delightful things.

  • AnonymousSam

     Belatedly,

    Devout Christians are not adamant that babies who survive an abortion be left to die alone on a blue pad, struggling for every breath!

    In the United States, the latest you can get an abortion in the vast majority of cases (at least without violating federal laws) is 24 weeks, and some states don’t allow them as late as that. At 24 weeks, a fetus’s lungs are generally not developed enough to “struggle for breath.” The viability of a birth is considered in serious jeopardy at 24 weeks, but this is the milestone point where abortion becomes illegal without serious medical consideration (i.e.; attempting a live birth may kill one or both mother and child).

    Moreover, abortion via induced labor or surgical removal is rare;  the majority of abortions in the US take place between 3-12 weeks when the embryo can be removed with vacuum aspiration, significantly fewer take place via medical means, and other means of abortion are extremely rare.

    In general, the later into the pregnancy, the more complications, risks and legal considerations enter the situation. The scenario you describe, for all intents and purposes, doesn’t happen.

    How can someone be Christian and still believe abortion is necessary? By understanding the facts about abortion, why people seek it, and what happens when it’s not available or is illegal.

    No one likes abortion, but it’s a far better alternative to not having it and making it illegal wouldn’t make it go away, only relegate it to unsafe, unlicensed clinics without the government inspections and regulations we rely on for mainstream hospitals. Pro-choice voters don’t want people to have abortions, they want them to have the choice to have an abortion if it’s necessary. What pro-choice voters want is better sex education, easier access to contraception and elimination of the rape culture which lead to so many unwanted pregnancies.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    How does one get rid of a pregnancy if one is not yet pregnant???

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Oh, I’m so glad you cleared that up.  No wonder the evil dictator’s face is on OUR TREE!

  • AnonymousSam

    You attribute far more maliciousness to this inaccurate information than I believe is reasonable.

  • AnonymousSam

    That is in shocking contrast to my own experiences with Planned Parenthood, namely how they are often the only people willing to treat a terrified girl as a human being instead of as a piece of disgusting filth.

  • AnonymousSam

    Indeed, I wish we could have Reagan’s face removed too. It has no right to be up there alongside the likes of Hedda Lettuce.

    I must ask why you feel that an Andy Warhol image with distorted coloration is showing Mao some sort of veneration. Are you comfortable with having to attribute so much purposeful hatred to so many people, places and objects?

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Check out Jill Stanek’s page to learn the truth about abortion, in the windy city in particular, Obamao’s hometown.

    In essence what you are saying is that it’s alright for unborn babies to die during abortions, but it’s not okay for their mothers to die attempting to abort them.  How is the life of a mother any more valuable than the life of her unborn child?  The womb is created to be the safest, nurturing haven for the developing child.  When pregnant mothers go against their innate nature to protect the life of their precious baby, and instead have them ripped from their safe nest, it is the most pitiful act of all.Hmmm, wonder why we have such a rape culture?  Could it have anything at all to do with the sleazy billion dollar pornography industry, and how we have allowed our entire society to be all about sex, sex and more sex???  Free love abounds due to wise, caring progressives pushing, pushing, pushing for it.  To progressives it’s all about free love, and nothing about Jesus.  That’s why we’re living in such rot!  

  • Lunch Meat

    I am quickly losing interest in your pearl-clutching. If your first post in this thread was supposed to make it seem like you believe in being generous, reasonable, forgiving, and peace-making–all noble and Christ-like qualities–toward those who make mistakes, you’ve pretty much destroyed that impression through your gleeful name-calling, ranting, twisting of the truth, refusal to listen to reason or engage with what people are saying.

  • Hawker40

    “That is in shocking contrast to my own experiences with Planned Parenthood, namely how they are often the only people willing to treat a terrified girl as a human being instead of as a piece of disgusting filth.”

    Well, that’s exactly the problem, Sam.  By treating them as a human being in trouble instead of [redacted by originator] ‘disgusting filth’, RTC’s like Ginny don’t get to feel morally superior, and that’s *wrong*.

  • AnonymousSam

    Jesus was about love. I suggest you revisit 1 John 4:7-21.

    To view it as somehow fitting for women to die during or as a consequence of abortions is very unChristian of you. Christianity is about forgiveness and love. You should be striving to understand the motivations of these women, rather than condemning them and unskeptically believing claims about either the process or the people receiving it.

    Why do we have a rape culture? Because men strive to preserve their waning levels of privilege and act out of resentment and spite for those they perceive as diminishing them. This privilege takes the form of an assumption (conscious or unconscious) that any woman they feel attracted to has an obligation to perform sexually for them, as logical as a screwdriver should be available to twist a screw and a hammer should pound a nail.

    Some women do perform pornography because they enjoy it. More power to them, but it doesn’t excuse acts against them, or against any woman. Bluntly, an act of rape is the fault of the rapist, not the victim. No one coerces a rapist to assault a woman, not even what the woman is wearing, where she happens to be walking, or if she’s had a few drinks at a bar.

    Moreover, it has been proven countless times that rape is not about sexual need, it’s about control, power over the victim and cruel domination. These are not traits to be found in a healthy sexual relationship (not even in one with sadomasochistic habits- believe it or not, submissive partners typically have more control over those than do their “dominant” partners). Rape occurs when men want to violently show their control over women.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     Andrew Schlafly?  Is that you?

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Can we realistically hold this misguided fourteen year old child responsible for her pathetic act when our culture does not afford dignity to human life?  How convoluted is this thinking?  Our illustrious president adamantly opposes protection for an aborted baby who survives the attempt to end her/his life.  He has no problem with the defenseless infant lying there alone, on a blue pad, struggling for every breath.  Why is this fourteen year old girl’s baby’s life deemed more significant than those defenseless babies allowed to suffer to death, unattended?  Cassidy’s baby was unwanted too.  At what precise moment did her baby’s life become valuable?  How is it legally permissible, in 2012 in the United States of America, for females to have the precious little lives developing inside of them to be diabolically ripped from their nurturing, safe havens.  Casey Anthony, remember her, desired an abortion when she was pregnant with Caylee, but her mother, Cindy Anthony, would not allow it.  That action would have been accepted by our murderous society.  However, when Casey killed Caylee at age two, she was locked up.  At what precise moment did Caylee’s worthless life suddenly become valuable?  At what point was it suddenly not OK to consider killing her anymore?  This fourteen year old Florida teen, Cassidy, is a mere child.  The frontal lobe of her brain has not yet finished developing.  All children make bad decisions, don’t they?  Did her parents have the right to be informed of the life growing within their daughter’s womb?  Aren’t they responsible to help her formulate right beliefs and correct thinking.  That’s what conservatives believe.  Progressives differ by saying conservatives have no right to indoctrinate their offspring into their narrow way of thinking.  Wait a minute, how can they deny them this when, while also saying, everyone needs to be accepted for what they deem right for themselves.  According to our present culture that says everything is relative, how could she or her parents be held accountable for her act?  I have no doubt many all-wise progressives have said as much though.  Again, convoluted thinking much?  In my view, it does sound as if Cassidy’s parents need to be held accountable for blatant neglect of their child.  After all, she is a small girl and her baby boy weighed over nine pounds.  How could they miss her bump?  According to our postmodern culture, it was their right to neglect her, so we must tolerate it.  In a similar situation, it might not be what we deem right for us.  We need to accept that what is right for us may not be right for someone else, and that’s just the way it has become in our common-sense-is-not-common-anymore society.  In a society that says there is no truth, no right and wrong, how could Cassidy be charged with the first degree murder of her newborn baby?  As much as tolerance is touted from the rooftops across our nation, aren’t we expected to tolerate her decision?  In a sense, Cassidy simply took the scissors from an abortionist’s hands to use them herself.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Planned Barrenhood only sees the dollar signs when any woman walks in to their abortion mill.  My experience with them is that they murdered my grandchild!

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     As long as you’re talking about the “Truth About Abortion”, here’s a little Truth for ya:  “The only moral abortion is my abortion”.  I do not expect you to actually read it, or to comprehend it if you do.

    In essence what you are saying is that it’s alright for unborn babies to
    die during abortions, but it’s not okay for their mothers to die
    attempting to abort them.  How is the life of a mother any more valuable
    than the life of her unborn child?  The womb is created to be the
    safest, nurturing haven for the developing child.

    Well, yeah.  Yes I AM saying that.  Because I think a mother is an ACTUAL HUMAN BEING ALREADY, whereas a fetus is only a POTENTIAL human.  So, women are by definition ‘more valuable’ than the egg-cells.

    And if that’s how the womb is created, it doesn’t say anything complementary about God’s engineering skills.  Humans have a scarily high death-rate for women during childbirth, and something like 30% of all fertilized egg-cells (or to use your terminology “BABIES”) fail to grab hold of the uterine wall and go out with the menstruation.

    How do you reconcile being ‘pro-life’ with policies that are actively ANTI-living-past-birth, like ruinous medical costs, cuts to welfare, and a culture of vicious ninnies like you making women feel like garbage?

    To progressives it’s all about free love, and nothing about Jesus.  That’s why we’re living in such rot! 

    9_9

    Can I have your jacket?

    (Let’s see if she gets that reference…)

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Who twists the truth?  You are not reasonable, so no, I can’t reason with you, but you engage reasonably with me?  Hmmm.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    How’d ya guess?

  • Consumer Unit 5012

    Hey, Ginny, is your objection to abortion on religious grounds?

    If so, do you think God sends the little fetus souls to Hell, or Heaven?

  • Hawker40

    The punishment for murder is death.  So, we need to execute the mother of your grandchild.  Did the father know about it and do nothing?  Aiding and Abetting a murderer also rates the death penalty.

    After the 3 (or more) executions, will you feel better?

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     The Abortion = Breast Cancer thing.  I seem to recall that’s one of Andy’s hobbyhorses.

    Yeah, I’m thinking troll.  And not the fun sort WHO WR1T3S L1K3 TH1S, either.

  • Hawker40

    And how did we get from the lying racist D’Souza to abortion, anyway?

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     Our new troll(s) showed up and started ranting about Obama and Abortion, and we all took the bait, that’s how.

    So, D’Souza.  Republicans sure do love them some adulterers, eh?

  • AnonymousSam

     You rely on an excessive amount of vilifying imagery to justify your hatred. If you continue repeating this mantra of diabolical doctors and and sociopathic murders, I’ll have no choice but to consider you mentally unwell and will cease correspondence.

    Abortions are not about fully developed infants kicking weakly on a table, expiring while doctors cheerfully talk about setting kittens on fire. Most abortions look more like this.

    Is this disgusting? Yes, to most people, but it’s also nothing like what you seem to be proclaiming as the hidden truth to abortions. Again, most abortions take place long before the embryo has a chance to take on any kind of distinctly human features. Abortion when the fetus is even remotely capable of life is rare, and typically only occurs when it is medically necessary to save a life.

    You ask why a potential mother’s life should be more important than her potential infant’s — I ask why a fetus’s life is more important than a woman’s, especially if the fetus is unwanted, or is the product of molestation, rape, or misfortune. Is it morally superior to force a woman to give birth to an infant she doesn’t want, and then force her to raise that child? (Adoption services are a lot less convenient, practical and useful than you would think. The majority of orphaned children wind up going from one home to another and it has a tendency to affect them quite negatively.)

    Unnecessary histrionics aside, the comparison to a murder after birth isn’t one I would dismiss. To be fair, to designate 24 weeks as the cut-off point for abortions is in part an arbitrary one, based around the minimum estimate for a birth being viable — that is, for, with or without medical assistance, an infant to survive outside the womb. In practical terms, this marks the point at which the fetus is no longer, at least in theory, dependent on its mother. All time prior to this is debated on a number of philosophical and religious grounds, but in the medical and legal world, beyond this date, the mother can and should give birth to the infant and hold them up for adoption if they are still unwanted. (In practice, it doesn’t work out so simply. There can be medical complications right before the birth which necessitate a late abortion*, and adoption isn’t as easy a solution as it sounds.)

    (*Actually, abortion need not even be the intent to become a reality. A recent medical case involved a pregnant girl suffering from late stage cancer. Chemotherapy would definitely abort the fetus, and there was no hope of her successfully giving live birth. The choice became whether she should be allowed to die of cancer in order to not perform an abortion, or provide chemotherapy in hopes of her surviving cancer, but abort the pregnancy in the process. Which do you think would have been better?)

  • AnonymousSam

    FWIW, Ginny Bain Allen has a facebook page and the image on that is of the same woman in the user avatar here.

  • AnonymousSam

    Incidentally, I wonder what this means when the Bible has a mandate on adulters getting an abortion.

    Yes, it does.

    No, seriously, it does.

  • Consumer Unit 5012
  • AnonymousSam

    Welcome to Slacktivist!

  • Lunch Meat

    I explained your double standard and circular reasoning very clearly. You have refused to address it.

    And all I hear when you call me unreasonable is projection.

  • Hawker40

    “So, D’Souza.  Republicans sure do love them some adulterers, eh?”

    Part of thier culture, has been since Reagan.  Like the post title says, Racism (Sexism, Warmongering, etc ad nauseum) is fine, but Adultery you have to beg forgiveness for… which will be granted, so long as you have a (R) next to your name.  But having a (D) or being supportive of those that do is a Unforgiveable Curse, requiring imprisonment is Azkaban or worse.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Okay, I have better things to do than argue with someone who fails basic reading comprehension.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=30319652 Tim Lehnerer

    I’m hoping this shows up as a reply to Consumer Unit 5012; if it doesn’t, well…I meant it as a response to Consumer Unit 5012. Well, a Democrat who cheated on his terminally ill wife watches his career evaporate when it’s found out. Republicans run for President after doing a prettier-wife-upgrade (Newt Gingrich had two IIRC).

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     Yeah, I remember back in… 2008?  Someone joked that of the GOP candidates, “The only one who’s only had one wife was the Mormon”.

    But remember, they’re the party of “Family Values(tm)”.  :-P

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    My name is not frankly, btw.

    i can’t tell if you’re trying to make a bad joke or if you really don’t understand the English language and the habit of using prefatory statements as pauses or enhancements to sentences.

  • EllieMurasaki

    i can’t tell if you’re trying to make a bad joke or if you really don’t understand the English language

    She doesn’t understand English. I know this because when I said Planned Parenthood helps women end pregnancies before being pregnant, or being pregnant while in an abusive relationship, seriously harms the woman, she asked how a pregnancy could end before it started. I suppose that at least makes her smarter whoever insisted people who aren’t pregnant get abortions. Was that Akin again? Too many misogynists in political office to keep track of.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Of course all babies go to heaven.  Fetus means little one, fyi.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    She did consent to the murdering of her own flesh and blood, but it’s legal in 2012 in the U. S. of A.  Unreal!  She has paid a horrible price for choosing death for her wee one, and has repented and been forgiven, and is miserably sorry for her sinful choice.  She will never forget him!  He was a valuable human being created in the image of God Almighty!

  • EllieMurasaki

    Abortion sends souls to heaven; why then is abortion not a sacrament? Not one anyone should engage in if their hearts incline them elsewhere, of course, no more than holy orders or holy matrimony, but a holy thing nonetheless.

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Wow!  I guess jokes are not appreciated here.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Supposing abortion were legally murder, the way you insist it should be. Do you agree or disagree with the idea that the penalty for getting
    an abortion should be death? Does that change when you realize that the person you are condemning is your daughter?

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    What I heard from you is what I hear every time, every time I debate progressives. Also, after the discussion has gone on for a while, every time, every time I begin to feel sad and gloomy.   :(

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    I am quite well, thank you.

    Here is the newspaper article that prompted me to write the essay about the sad Florida teen.  I did not make it up!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210159/Florida-teen-14-charged-degree-murder-strangles-newborn-baby-hides-body-shoe-box-dumps-laundry.html?ICO=most_read_module

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Is there a problem with that?

  • Ginny Bain Allen

    Abortion is the ruthless, violent, non-loving, diabolical slaughtering of the unborn.  You were an unborn, Ellie.  At what point did you magically turn into a baby from a blob of insignificant tissue?

  • EllieMurasaki

    Y’know, none of that would have happened if Florida didn’t require teens who need abortions to tell their parents first. Or possibly–since I’ve no idea of the circumstances of the conception–if Florida made it easier for teens to get hold of free-or-cheap condoms and the Pill.

  • AnonaMiss

    Believing what you read in the Daily Mail?

    Shiggydiggy. (To a Repub, should that be shucky-ducky?)

  • AnonymousSam

    I never accused you of having done so. I said only that in the legal and medical world, the difference between abortion and murder is the line at which it can be said that a reasonable person would find alternatives, which is drawn at 24 weeks pregnancy.

    The impression I get is that you read this article and only see a murderer who has committed a grave sin.

    I read it and it saddens me because this was a girl who was terrified of what her family would think–what they would do–if they knew she was pregnant. She shouldn’t have been afraid of that. She shouldn’t have been so ignorant of her body and sexuality as to get pregnant unintentionally. She should have been able to get an abortion if she truly felt there was no other alternative, rather than suffer something this traumatic.

    There are two victims here.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Right about when the doctor cut the cord. If my mother had aborted me at a time when abortion was legally murder, would you or would you not be calling for her execution?

  • Ginny Bain Allen
  • AnonymousSam

    Not at all. This was in response to the implication that you were someone else. I was affirming your identity to the best of my ability to do so.


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