Election Day 2012 Losers

Here are a few of the big losers from Election Day 2012:

The white evangelical religious right

“On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results seemed to mark a dramatic rejection of the Christian right’s agenda.”

They represent a coalition in decline — white religious conservatives — while Obama has a more diverse one, made up of various religious and non-religious voters, whites, blacks, and Latinos.”

The Religious Right took a drubbing at the polls yesterday as voters rejected not only Mitt Romney but also some of the most extreme Republican candidates, even those in races that should have been easy Republican victories.”

The U.S. Catholic bishops

“From the bishops’ inflexible opposition to the Affordable Care Act, to the decision to file dozens of lawsuits in an election year against a rule the administration had already promised to change, to the several high profile partisan statements by bishops across the country, there can be no question that the Catholic bishops decided this year to cast their lot with a single party in a way that is genuinely new.”

Catholics … voted for Barack Obama over Mitt Romney by 50-48.”

Super-PAC donors

“Sheldon Adelson and his wife, Miriam, have been the two biggest individual donors of this election, handing candidates and super-PACS more than $53 million (that we know of), including $20 million to Restore our Future, the super-PAC created to put Mitt Romney in the White House.”

“Rove effectively told Adelson and other hyper-wealthy donors, ‘Give me your money and I’ll deliver the election results you want.’ The checks came. The victories didn’t.”

Prop. 32 backers spent more than $50 million.”

The Southern Strategy; divide-and-conquer politics; white resentment; Donald Trump

“These are the men who bet the farm on White Supremacy and lost big.” (See also.)

“Put simply, the Republican Party … will soon become a retirement community for aging conservatives. The party’s position on immigration is disastrous, and it is at odds with the party’s own values. … No party can win if it appeals only to white and older Americans.”

America is tired of discrimination, of exclusion, and of unthinking oppression — the belief that people have to live their lives according to someone else’s views rather than their own free will.”

The loser one! [sic] … We should have a revolution in this country!”

Voter suppression

“While in-person voter fraud is virtually non-existent, what is all too real is the GOP’s unconscionable effort to stop people with the wrong complexion from voting.”

Despite long lines, voter suppression laws and Republican efforts to discourage voting, President Obama won reelection last night.”

“They ‘purged the rolls.’ They passed nit-picking voter ID laws. … They sent letters to challenge the registrations of people who lived at the same address for half a century, claiming they thought it was a vacant lot. They sent poll-watchers to challenge random voters at the polls. … They restricted registration. Drove Acorn out of business. Arrested a high school teacher for registering her students. … They got caught dumping Democratic registrations, and forging signatures to get a Republican candidate on the ballot. They put up billboards threatening fraudulent voters with jail time. … They took away early voting. … Fewer polling places. Fewer machines. …”

Beltway Republican punditry, spiritual hunches

Submitted Without Comment

I’m just going to say bluntly, we were wrong. … Karl Rove, Michael Barone, Dick Morris, a whole group of us, frankly, misunderstood what was happening in the country.”

“According to Glenn Beck and David Barton, those who are ‘spiritually attuned’ were calling the race for Romney.”

Social Darwinism as health policy

“Now Obamacare is here to stay. Sure, a single illness won’t wipe out your life savings, but at what cost? A lower one! Now you’ll have to wait in line for hours for medical care instead of immediately not getting any.”

Patriarchy; gray-faced men with $2 haircuts

“Democrats scored decisive Senate wins in Missouri and Indiana after candidates supported by the tea party and evangelical Christians made controversial remarks on rape, pregnancy and abortion that appeared to cost them the support of more-moderate voters in their party.”

“Get people back to work and stop trying to control people through misogyny and other random American Taliban nonsense.”

“Mourdock and Akin lost because they each made the mistake of actually trying to explain an increasingly common position by Republican officer-holders, including Paul Ryan.”

“Bob Casey remains Pennsylvania’s senator, defeating Republican Tom Smith, who compared pregnancy from rape to having a child out of wedlock, with 58 percent of women’s votes. Heidi Heitkamp, a Democrat running for Senate in North Dakota, has a slight lead over Republican Rick Berg, who only supports abortion exceptions for the life of the mother and not for rape victims.”

Now let us honor Mr. Former Congressman Walsh with a montage.”

“This year’s ‘War on Women’ — the brutal attacks on Planned Parenthood, the assault on birth control (culiminating in the right’s vicious vilification of Sandra Fluke), the record numbers of abortion restrictions on abortion wending their way through the state legislatures (the most notorious of these being the ‘transvaginal probe’ laws), the rape-friendly comments by Akin, Mourdock, et al., the refusal of major Republican candidates to endorse even the mildest policies to promote gender equity (such as fair pay, via the Lily Ledbetter Act) — all of these phenomena helped clarify the stakes, and raised women’s consciousness about the dangers the Republican party poses to their freedom and their economic survival. Women came out to the polls in droves — this year, they represented fully 54 percent of the electorate.”

Talk-radio tea-party right wing

“Republican Rep. Allen West (FL), the bomb-throwing tea party darling elected during the 2010 tea party wave, was projected as defeated in a close race by Democrat Patrick Murphy.”

FreedomWorks, the group that had fomented, trained, and marshaled Tea Party activists to great effect in 2010, thought it would have reason to celebrate.”

Homophobia as effective electoral tool

“It was a historic night for supporters of marriage equality, where advocates are headed for success in four of four ballot measures.”

“The effort to recall Troy Mayor Janice Daniels officially passed early Wednesday morning.”

Franklin Graham

“[The Grahams] are feeding the bigotry of the racists under a cloak of Christian conservatism.”

“When ‘the greatest proclaimer of the gospel in the last century,’ as one Southern Baptist called Graham, embraced Mormonism last [month], he confirmed conservative evangelicals’ worst fears about the 2012 election.”

The War on Drugs

Marijuana legalization referenda won big in Colorado (with 54.5 percent supporting at last tally) and Washington (55.4 percent). … Massachusetts, which has already decriminalized recreational use of marijuana, passed an initiative fully legalizing medical use.”

“It’s no longer risky for the political class to get worked up about standing in support of marijuana legalization because the trends at this point are obvious.”

Mitt Romney

“And then he was gone, as vague and evanescent a figure as he always was, a strange and out-of-focus politician who surrounded himself with a baffling opacity that, within six months, I predict we will barely remember his campaign at all.”

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  • Liralen

    I am so sick of Republican hypocrisy regarding entitlements.  My husband and I are both employed engineers, with cadillac insurance plans, have a beautiful 4 bedroom/2.5 bath home for just the two us in white suburbia, but yet receive several thousand dollars per year in government entitlements, as do most of our neighbors.

    It’s called a mortgage interest tax deduction.

  • Turcano


    cadillac insurance plans

    Man, I hope your insurance plan doesn’t get rear-ended, ’cause the bumper will fall right the fuck off.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Could be worse. It could be a Ford Pinto insurance plan.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino


    Holy smokes.

    Donald Trump would’ve been better off just being That 80s Mogul Who Everybody Remembers For His Floofy Hair.

  • reynard61

    “Donald Trump would’ve been better off just being That 80s Mogul Who Everybody Remembers For His Floofy Hair.”

    I’m waiting for the day when the mention of his name elicits the response “Donald Who?”

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Better: the U.S could adopt the common UK slang usage of “Trump” as “Fart”, and people could look puzzled and say “Donald Fart?”

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    “Rove effectively told Adelson and other hyper-wealthy donors, ‘Give me
    your money and I’ll deliver the election results you want.’ The checks came. The victories didn’t.”

    I wonder if you can get refunds on SuperPAC donations. :P

    If not, who wants to bet his disgruntled donors will find ways to prove Rove had sticky fingers when it came to handling that much money? I would not be AT ALL surprised to find out there’s been misappropriation of right-wing SuperPAC funds under Rove’s watch.

  • Tricksterson

    Should have kept the receipt.

  • SisterCoyote

     I don’t think I can adequately express my relief and gratefulness that, as it turns out, you can’t just buy elections.

    And it’s… worrisome, that there are people right now upset over that same fact.

  • Liralen

    Excellent point.

  • Kubricks_Rube

    I don’t think I can adequately express my relief and gratefulness that, as it turns out, you can’t just buy elections.

    My fear is that while they couldn’t buy this election, they did make it a lot closer than it could have been, and maybe next time they will succeed in tipping the scales.

    And it’s not just against Citizens United that the fight must go on. I hope that in winning we (the general “we”, I’m not suggesting anyone here is guilty of anything) don’t all start to forget all the voter suppression and voter ID laws and the games of GOP election officials and gerrymandering and shortened voting hours and fewer voting locations and voter intimidation and misinformation etc etc etc. Because after what happened Tuesday night, we can be sure our opponents won’t forget. They will only double and triple down on every dirty tactic we’ve seen and more we haven’t even thought of yet. We won the battle- a big battle- but let’s not forget that the war for enfranchisement goes on.

  • VMink

    My fear is that while they couldn’t buy this election, they did make it a lot closer than it could have been, and maybe next time they will succeed in tipping the scales.

    A LOT of money was given to Karl Rove and his people  to buy this election; they failed.  They may have come close, but even with Citizen’s United allowing unlimited funding, they failed.  There are estimates ranging from hundreds of millions to billions of dollars being spent to pursue what was sold as a Republican victory.

    There have been several observations that his on-screen meltdown was that of a person who just stole a suitcase from Marcellus Wallace.  Say ‘what’ again, Karl.

  • LL

    Yeah, this. The only reason the Republicans weren’t able to make all their voter suppression dreams come true for this election was because of “activist” judges who intervened. But a lot of the pointless obstacles to voting will go into effect at some point. 

    I don’t really think Republicans have learned anything from this. Their whining about how everybody who voted for Obama hates America and collects stuff from the government proves they don’t get it. 

  • Lori

    It really is tough to get a person to understand something when his/her paycheck depends on not understanding it. For Republicans to learn anything from the election they would have to accept the fact that the majority of people don’t want the product they’re selling, which would obviously pose a rather significant problem for them.

    They’re in a tricky position. In a way they’re victims of their own success. They’ve moved the Overton Window so far to the Right that the party that’s selling most of the right wing ideas that people actually want is the Democrats*. That’s why Romney’s last minute attempt to go to the middle left him with little to say in the 3rd debate other than “me too”, which is not a winning strategy in a two party election.

    That leaves the GOP with very little except the stuff that’s so far Right it can only be reliably sold to the old confederacy (and not even all of the CSA). If they go farther Right they really will just fall off the map. If they go Left they won’t be the GOP any more. I obviously don’t think that’s tragic, but they do. In a way, their best hope is also my wish—that the Left can pull the Dems back to a place where their economic positions are actually progressive enough to at least be in line with their social positions, instead of camped out somewhere to the Right of Eisenhower Republicans. (I’d obviously like far more, both on the economic & the social front, but baby steps.) That would give the GOP some room to maneuver away from the demographic death spiral they’re in.

    *Even Ari Flescher knows it:

    “The big issue that Republicans are going to have to wrestle with is
    the Hispanic issue. It’s not the social issues. You’re not going to make
    the party pro-choice and pro-gay rights and think you’ve made the
    Republican party the party that’s the popular party. We have a party
    like that. It’s the Democratic Party.”

  • http://thatbeerguy.blogspot.com Chris Doggett

    I don’t think the Tea Party lost… at least, I don’t the Tea Party thinks it lost, because they’re not aiming at the same goals. 

    The Tea Party isn’t trying to win general elections. (yet) They don’t mind losing the general election as long as they win the primary. The goal of the Tea Party right now is to influence moderate Republicans away from the center, and to radicalize the Republican party. Driving moderate Republicans out of the party with primary challenges is a success to them.  That they had candidates on the ballot is a win to them, and a loss to a saner Republican party.

    Look at the presidential race, and the party primary. Look at how far to the right Romney had to tack to win the nomination; he had to run away from the health care reform that was based on his own design. Look at who he picked as his running mate. These are all wins for the Tea Party’s agenda of influencing the Republican party. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NR2MMC4EJXJWJMLH6IF457XL64 Alex B

    Well, yes, but that’s looking like a losing strategy for the Republicans as a whole.

  • LL

    This, kinda. I mean, I honestly can’t tell the difference anymore between the “Tea Party” Republicans and the regular, nutjob Jesus freak variety. So I can’t tell if the “Tea Party” candidate is somebody who’d have gotten on the ballot anyway just for hewing to the Republican party line vis a vis immigration, welfare, etc., or if having a “Tea Party” identity actually made a difference. (shrug) 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NR2MMC4EJXJWJMLH6IF457XL64 Alex B

    The Tea Party won in that the Tea Party is now the Republican party, however, the Republican party is losing.

  • Otrame

    So what do you think? Repubs go further right, or the nut cases peal off and form a new party, leaving the not-quite-insane people as Republicans.

    *sighs happily and goes long on popcorn futures

  • http://twitter.com/shutsumon Becka Sutton

     The BBC news is predicting a civil war in the Republican Party – which is interesting because when one party implodes in a two party system strange things happen.

  • Ima Pseudonym

    They’re doubling down on the derp.


    They’re most likely going to make scapegoats out of anyone left in the party that still has to look right to see Torquemada and throw them out over this recent series of failures.  And then they’re going to try to push even farther into fringe territory.  As someone else put it, they think the problem is that they weren’t fucking the chicken hard ENOUGH.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Even as they absorbed Mr. Romney’s defeat, the party’s top elected
    officials, strategists and activists said they believed that Republicans
    had offered a persuasive message of economic opportunism and fiscal

    Where the hell were these folks when Dubya Bush was proposing budgets that spent money like it was water, and awarding military contracts to his and Dick Cheney’s buddies in the oil industry?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    Oh wow, that article.

    “The party has to continually ask ourselves, what do we represent?” said Senator Marco Rubio … “But we have to remain the movement on behalf of upward mobility, the party people identify with their hopes and dreams. People want to have a chance.”

    Anyone who believes the Republican party is really about upward mobility has to have had their eyes clawed out and eardrums popped by an angry but very patriotic eagle (you can tell it’s patriotic by how much it wants to maim innocents). I’m also pretty sure the fact that Rubio was able to say that with a straight face and then not spontaneously burst into flame is a strong argument against a loving God.

    As an aside, I’d also like to point out this…


    All I can think is “Dewey Defeats Truman.”

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The flag-draping and flag-waving practically drips off those “President-elect” pages. And the “decency and hope” one-liner? Talk about chutzpah! This is the same guy who blithely dismissed almost half the potential electorate as permanent welfare bums.

  • fraser

     Remember, Rubio also insisted that even though the Lily Ledbetter Act is a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad idea, he totally supports the right of women to equal pay.

  • reynard61

    From the article:

    “The coming debate will be centered on whether the party should keep pursuing the antigovernment focus that grew out of resistance to the health care law and won them the House in 2010, or whether it should focus on a strategy that recognizes the demographic tide running strongly against it.”

    Because nothing says “sanity” (let alone “electability”) like doing the same shit over and over and over and expecting a different, winning result.

    “Even as they absorbed Mr. Romney’s defeat, the party’s top elected officials, strategists and activists said they believed that Republicans had offered a persuasive message of economic opportunism and fiscal restraint.”

    Um…there’s a pretty big difference between “opportunism” and “opportunity”. This sentence tells me that the Republican so-called “leadership” obviously has no clue what it is. And something tells me that until they learn, they’re going to have great difficulty winning future elections.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Be fair. There are things where repeating the unsuccessful action long enough will eventually bring success. I’m thinking right now of the women who voted while they were forbidden to and the people of color who filled up lunch counters that wouldn’t let them be customers, but there are many other examples.

    But one does have to be able to tell the difference between a situation where each repetition gains ground and one where each repetition loses ground, and a situation where one is ethically obligated to make the attempt even if futile and one where making the attempt is entirely unethical especially if successful.

  • reynard61

    Point taken.

  • http://www.oliviareviews.com/ PepperjackCandy

    Um…there’s a pretty big difference between “opportunism” and
    “opportunity”. This sentence tells me that the Republican so-called
    “leadership” obviously has no clue what that difference is.

    No.  They had it right.

    They were just hoping that the American citizens don’t know the difference.  And nearly 50% of us don’t.

  • Lori


    Um…there’s a pretty big difference between “opportunism” and
    “opportunity”. This sentence tells me that the Republican so-called
    “leadership” obviously has no clue what that difference is. 

    I’m inclined to think it was a Freudian slip. Their message is about opportunism, they just don’t usually own that in public.

  • Guest5489

    Election Day Losers: The United States of America

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    That’s cute. You’re cute. But, as many children learn eventually, cuteness only goes so far.

    Do come back when you have something substantive to say other than tribalist mutterings. Like some doom-and-gloom prophecy of “Obama’s America” that you’ll deny ever making when it never comes to pass down the road.

  • Baby_Raptor

    The US that lives in your head, yeah. Not the one out here in reality. 

  • The_L1985

     Except for the gay Americans, the poor Americans, and the female Americans.

    Which adds up to pretty much all of us, since:
    – 50% of Americans are living paycheck-to-paycheck
    – 2-10% of Americans are gay
    – Half of Americans are female

    If we assume that openly-gay Americans are not poor (a bad assumption, granted, but it doesn’t change the numbers by a HUGE amount), and that female Americans make up half of each of the other groups (which is actually more sensible), then that makes 76-80% of Americans that won on Tuesday.

  • Tricksterson

    Really?  Is that the best you can do?  Come on, we expect our hysterical doommongers around here to have some style.  If you can’t up your game, I’m afraid we’re going to have to ask you to kleave.

  • LL

    It did bring kind of a smile to my face to think of all the rich people who spent money to watch Romney and various other candidates lose. Adelson and his ilk. 

  • Morilore
  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    In distress, AND dead? Gee, someone running that McD’s is being overly dramatic.

    I wonder if corporate can take away the franchise on that restaurant.

  • Lori

    Holy shit. I can’t believe someone did that. I fully acknowledge that I’m not entirely rational on this issue, but geez. That? What they did? That’s a serious thing. You don’t do that because you’re butthurt that your guy lost an election. What is wrong with people?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I think it just goes to prove that some right-wingers have so internalized the abstraction of the American flag as a fetish or an idol that they don’t understand that their almost literal worship of the flag profanes it more than some random person burning it in protest.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Remind me what upside-down flag is supposed to stand for? Half-mast is somebody died, I know that. And is the wind catching it oddly, or is that a flag that somebody ought to have long since taken down, looked up and employed the proper procedure for a flag cremation, and replaced?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    It’s supposed to be a distress signal, IIRC. That’s why I commented “distressed, and dead/overdramatic”.

  • EllieMurasaki


  • Lori

    Yes, the flag is supposed to be flown upside down only to signal distress. And by distress they mean something more of the “our position is about to be over-run, please send Rangers” variety, or similar, not “I don’t like the way some political decision turned out”.

  • http://timothy.green.name/ Timothy (TRiG)

    The UK flag upside down is supposed to be a distress signal. Theoretically. In actual fact, the difference between the Union flag upside down and right way up is quite subtle, and people likely wouldn’t notice.

    The Irish flag is a simple vertically divided tricolour, so it would be impossible to fly it upside down.


  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Riastlin-Lovecraft/100000678992705 Riastlin Lovecraft

    Isn’t the Union Jack (pardon my ignorance if that’s only the naval version of the flag, and not all the versions)  completely symmetrical? How can you fly that upside down?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    As I recall, the stripes are a little wider on one side, either clockwise or counter-clockwise, than the other, and that’s what makes it not quite mirror-symmetrical  about any axis.  I think it does have rotational symmetry, though.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    That’s pretty bloody subtle. Not sure if the naked eye from ~few kilometers away could spot it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    Not only would you have to spot it, but also remember which way it’s supposed to be, and to top it off, that depends on which side of it you’re looking at.

  • Aiwhelan

    Countries with symmetrical flags will have a version with the image in a corner for just that reason.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Some of the old Yugoslav republics had flags which were basically permutations of the slavic tricolors; flying some of them upside down could make you think you were seeing a different republic’s flag, I think. (most notably Croatia’s – if you fly it ‘upside down’ you reproduce the old Yugoslav flag)

  • Lori


    And is the wind catching it oddly, or is that a flag that somebody ought
    to have long since taken down, looked up and employed the proper
    procedure for a flag cremation, and replaced?  

    It does appear that the guy is using a flag that is long past the point where flag etiquette mandates that it be properly disposed of. Mr Super Patriot probably doesn’t want to spend the money to get a new one.

    Note to anyone with a flag in need of proper disposal: If there’s an American Legion near you, you can take it to them and they’ll be happy to take care of it for you. They’ll also sell you a replacement if you’d like.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    So, the coming thousand years of darkness promise to do wonders for my complexion.

    And speaking of dire predictions, I wonder how D’Souza’s 2016 is going to look in four years, now that we get to put it to the test.

  • Liralen

    I suspect that Guest 5489’s definition of “United States of America” does not include the majority of us who voted for President Obama.

  • The_L1985

     Didn’t you hear?  Only white Baby Boomers are REAL Murkans.

  • CS

    I, for one, am very glad that our citizens recognized such dangerous extremism and removed it. That said, I think now is the time to roll our sleeves up and do as much good as we can. These posts have been taking on the air of gloating; let’s not make ourselves ugly in our victory.

    Bishop Mark S. Hanson has a very moving request for the country to move forward in unity, and to converse with one another with humility. It’s worth a watch (and perhaps, Fred, a post). http://youtu.be/7c7opvpHhyY

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    Unfortunately, bipartisanship and moving forward together only works very well when there’s a reasonable expectation of the other side being willing to work together at all. The past… well, pretty much my whole lifetime, at this rate, have demonstrated the GOP are unwilling to do just that, and are dedicated to the most thorough obstructionism of which they can conceive when they are not the ones in power, and cynically abusing the sentiment of bipartisanship for their own gain when they are in power. The past four years have been especially bad, when they pushed as hard as they could to obstruct everything, explicitly and openly stating that they were dedicated to nothing higher than preventing a second term for President Obama.

    Frankly, you should be appealing to Republicans for unity and humility more than Democrats and other progressives. We’ve tried many times to do just that, and keep getting bitten for our trouble.

  • CS

    I am (also) trying to appeal to Republicans for bipartisanship.

    I guess my purpose in linking to the video was to show that there are some among the (traditionally) Republican (i.e., evangelicals like the bishop in the video) that are willing to put aside differences and have that conversation. That we should not give up hope that we can have civil discourse. I sincerely believe that everyday folks *don’t* actually subscribe to the severe tribalism we see in their representatives (political or religious)… but instead fall somewhere in the middle and could be desperate to find something in common with the “other side.”
    I think if we Democrats share opinions like those in the video, we can reach out more effectively to the other side (we show them we can speak their language; that we have common things to care about). If we give up, despite being “bitten for our trouble” in the past, then is what we become any less tribal and bitter? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    then is what we become any less tribal and bitter?

    Maybe not, but at this point we have a reasonable demand for conservatives to make the first genuine overtures rather than progressives. If someone abuses, insults, and opposes me again and again in every little thing I do, I have no obligation to associate with them at all even if they come forward to apologize first, and certainly not before they do so. Otherwise I’m just opening myself up to even more abuse. And then I most certainly will get blamed for “asking for it.”

    That’s the current GOP mentality, to give someone hell and then claim it’s the other person’s fault, in everything from politics to violent crime. We see it again and again. Acting to reconcile and appease an abuser doesn’t stop an abusive relationship, it just means they get the idea they can get away with it without consequence because they aren’t facing any consequences. If they have to be shut out to get it through their heads that their conduct isn’t helpful or wanted, then so be it.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

     If someone abuses, insults, and opposes me again and again in every little thing I do, I have no obligation to associate with them at all even if they come forward to apologize first, and certainly not before they do so.

    I think your sentiment here is noble, but we do not always have the option of that.  Control of the national government is one of those cases.  Whether we personally avoid associating with those who insult us, our elected politicians do have an obligation to associate with their opposition who was elected by those same people who insulted us before.  Further, no matter what policy one favors, there will always be someone out there who will be butthurt over it, and as a civil society we have an obligation to handle that carefully (i.e. no pushing legislation just because it causes butthurt in someone you do not like.)  

    Not that any of this means that you should just accept all the crap the political world tries to throw your way, but that cooperation is the only way things actually get done, and cooperation can never rely on a single side refusing to step up until the other side does something else first.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    I did consider making this qualification but it started making my statement get all meander-y and lose a lot of its punch. I understand that the reality of the situation may call for dealing with them in some inescapable way, but frankly, if progressives can accomplish anything at all without having to deal with conservatives trying to crap all over everything, then conservatives should be shut out and bipartisanship can go hang.

    Expecting any real bipartisanship is fruitless until something changes. Very nearly every time a Democrat or progressive makes overtures towards it, holds out a hand to a conservative, that hand gets slapped back. Hard. Very nearly every time a Republican holds out a hand calling for bipartisanship, the other hand is hiding a knife behind their back.

    Political reality right now is that bipartisanship is always used to hurt progressive causes. If progressives don’t have to, then they should stop offering their hands to conservatives. And they should always, always check for the knife whenever an establishment Republican or Teabagger (but I repeat myself) shows up at the door, and take every step to disarm them if they can’t outright turn them away.

    Democrats need to stop being such utterly predictable patsies every time the word “bipartisan” is so much as breathed, at least until they find a second empty hand far more often than they find the knife.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Political reality right now is that bipartisanship is always used to hurt progressive causes. If progressives don’t have to, then they should stop offering their hands to conservatives. And they should always, always check for the knife whenever an establishment Republican or Teabagger (but I repeat myself) shows up at the door, and take every step to disarm them if they can’t outright turn them away.

    I think that part of the Democrats’ problem here is that they are only offering olive branches over proposals that they think the GOP will reasonably accept.  They have trouble accepting that the GOP these days is being, well, unreasonable.  

    They ought to fall back on the tactic of proposing something so over-the-top progressive that would never pass a divided congress, then letting the opposition negotiate them down to something reasonable from there.  Lets the opposition think they got their way when in fact it is all part of the plan from the beginning.  They run into less opposition that way.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    I would love to see that happen in every situation where Democrats have to deal with Republicans to get something done. I wish the Democratic Party had that kind of spine in more than maybe two people per branch and level of government. That is a tactic that should be embraced and, you know what? Is not exactly genuinely bipartisan. It’s making a show of bipartisanship to trick the other person into getting what you want. It’s smart.

    It’s also what the Republicans do. Only the thing is, the Republicans have to concede less and less of their unreasonable, irrational, frankly sociopathic demands all the time, and definitely far less than the Democrats will ever have to. So what I actually anticipate happening if someone on the center-right tries it, they’ll get attacked for “being just as bad” or “doing it too” and then fold completely.

    This is a fundamental problem for Democrats and progressives in general because we’ve somehow come to confuse being hated with being hateful. I think it’s because we’ve allowed ourselves to be confused that way – the constant Republican screed, after all, is about how assaulted and oppressed they are by any opposition, how hateful anyone must be to not want total patriarchal Christian hegemony. We’ve bought too much into Republican rhetoric on this. Progressives need to actually realize that no matter what, we’re going to be hated – we’ll be hated for being successful and getting things done, we’ll be hated for failing and being weak, we’ll be hated for merely existing. It’s that tribalism problem all throughout.

    I mean, really, that’s how most of the objections to what I’ve been saying here come off to me. I’m talking about playing political hardball for a while, using tactics that aren’t even half as vicious as the ones the Republicans would be using to marginalize Democrats if they had the numbers. Pretty much everything I’ve said boils down to, “When you’ve got a majority, don’t be afraid to USE IT.”

    And the objections to playing hardball come off, I’m sorry to say, as someone fetishizing compromise and bipartisanship because it makes us look Nice. I’m sure you, CS, and anyone else don’t mean it to be that way, but that’s how it looks to me, and I’m really only mildly cynical about this kind of thing. Your average GOPer blows me out of the water on cynicism.

    It doesn’t make us look nice, it makes us look weak. Because it is weak. Conservatives will hold us in contempt for being strong, and they’ll hold us in contempt for being weak. I’d rather the former than the latter, because at least I know we’d be using our strength to help lift the burdens off of others, rather than giving that strength away to those who’d use it to place extra burdens on top of those that others already labor under.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    Actually, let me revise a point. Yes, we WILL be less tribal and bitter even by shutting the GOP out of politics for a while because we’re not trying to make them second-class citizens while doing so. The GOP establishment is trying to deny rights to all kinds of people in the name of power and maintaining privilege, using tactics and rhetoric that lead to actual pain and suffering in the lives of those they are targeting. Meanwhile, progressive partisanship amounts to ignoring conservative attempts to push their petty (and not so petty) tyrannies over everyone else, and is equivalent to telling someone, “We’re not going to stand for you being a major asshole to everyone else anymore.”

    Tribalism involves attacking people for simply being something else, trying to deny them the same rights others enjoy as a matter of course, and trying to deny other people their humanity. I’m not going after the current Republican party for who they are, but what they do, which is take actions to directly harm others who aren’t sufficiently Like Them. There’s a difference between tribalism and policing your own, and much as I hate to claim the association, within the society of the United States they are definitely my own.

  • Liralen

    Thanks for posting the link. 

    I may be way off base here, as a relatively new convert to Christianity, and hence ignorant of Protestant classifications, but I view Lutherans as progressive, and hence don’t see the video as the far right right appealing to the left, but rather, the reverse.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    It depends on the Lutherans. There are progressive Lutherans, reactionary Lutherans, and all sorts of stuff in-between. The only commonality I know of among the many Lutherans I’ve known (I was raised Lutheran) is crippling guilt. :-D  Oh, also a high alcoholism rate, which is likely related to said crippling guilt.

  • Lori


    then is what we become any less tribal and bitter? 

    We’ve got a long way to go before we’re even in the same general neighborhood of tribalism occupied by folks on the Right.

    Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted DemocratHowever,
    for me, I’m choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if
    you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every
    single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may
    have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and
    friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are
    hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of
    my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the
    enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter

    I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married
    to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted ‘O’.
    Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend
    family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there
    will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

    Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers
    who voted for Obama. Simply don’t talk to them in the workplace, unless
    your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have
    clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to
    take their business elsewhere’s.

    Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their
    lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically
    illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business.
    Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.

    And start your boycott of your Democrat friends and family today. Like
    this morning. First thing you can do, very easy, is to un-friend all
    Democrats from your Facebook account.


    AFAICT that’s not a Poe. That guy is clearly a total asshole and more than a might unhinged, but he’s serious. Or was in the moment he wrote his screed. I suspect that he may change his mind when he finds that none of the people who are now “dead to him” care, or miss him in the slightest. I’ve got $5 that says at least one person does the happy dance upon finding out that he’s not coming to Thanksgiving this year.

    And no, that guy is not the only one. America’s hateful whackjobs, let Farley & Co show you them:


  • Consumer Unit 5012

     WOW.  That guy sounds like he’s one more lost election away from handing out the Flavor-Ade to the Faithful.

  • Lori

    Yeah. He’s pretty far gone, in a rather scary way. The “I’m movin’ to Canada” folks are hilarious. That guy, not so much.

  • Tricksterson

    The “moving to Canada” people are just weird since they’re also the ones who tend to get hysterical at the thought of our having a health care system like Canadas

  • Matri


    Some infinitesimal part of me that still holds out hope for the human race desperately wants to believe that article is a poe.

    The cynical asshole in me wonders how he managed to avoid a 9-foot shiv in his ribs for this long.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    That’s the same stuff Scientologists are told to do with anyone close to them who explicitly rejects Scientology. Divorce, cutting ties with family, etc.

    Are we allowed to call the right wing in the U.S. a cult now? Because that’s all cult stuff that guy’s saying there. 

    Break up with them without haste.

    And even in the darkest night, there’s a light. That sentence is hilarious, unless he means “torture them and yourself with a long, extended breakup”, which I wouldn’t put past him and yet is not what I think he means.

  • Lori

    The guy wants people to tell Dem clients to take there business “elsewhere’s”. A double screw up. I think it’s safe to say that he did not actually mean “without haste”.

  • fraser

    An amazingly self-righteous jerk–what can you say when someone thinks spitting at Dems is a form of sticking it to the man?
    Though at the same time he’s so pathetic, I almost feel sorry for him. Thinking that wearing a “Democrats are communists!” button is some kind of proud statement or that anyone over the age of 10 is actually going to have hurt feelings. Or talking about how he’s going to go to grocery scores and scream about the evil of food stamps (and then he’ll probably assume people are backing away from him because they can’t handle the truth.
    But almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, and the guy is a douche.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Oh, Crowder! Yeah, you know the oldest cliche in the book when it comes to describing someone as evil? Yeah, the one that might apply the night of October 31st….

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    Well.  Glad to see I wasn’t the only one thinking “Pedobear” while reading that.  I think.

    What a tool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    W-wow… That guy takes the cake.

    Literally. From in front of children. On their birthdays.

  • Lori

     And then Fox News airs the film. That’s the part of the story that kills me. It’s one thing for some idiot t get the brilliant idea to film himself doing something mean, dumb & illegal. That happens disturbingly often. It’s another thing for a major “news” network to air the footage, knowing that it’s core audience will eat it up with a spoon.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Good lord, who would steal candy from children? :(

    This reminds me of the ontrived story about the professor who is all like, “wellllllll, since you apparently like socialism so much, YOU ALL GET EQUAL GRADES. U MAD?”

  • Turcano

     Bad Steven Crowder!  That’s James O’Keefe’s schtick!  Bad bad bad!

  • fraser

     The dude reminds me of all those people who were going to “go Galt” in 2008. But he’s probably closer to Ann Althouse’s suggestion that it’s now morally acceptable to not leave tips for wait staff as they voted for Obama.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Wow.  What was of those first signs of a cult again?  That they try and cut you off from anyone else who is not also in the cult?  

  • Tricksterson

    Of the three people he has on his masthead I can’t imagine either Milton Friedman or Barry Gioldwater acting in the ways he reccomends. 

  • Lliira

    Being angry that people are trying to take away my rights over my body, my ability to get health care, and my food isn’t “tribal and bitter”. It’s called self-defense. And no, there is no compromising with people who want me to be  a fetus-incubator and/or die. And no, I am never going to stop celebrating when they lose. Because I have this weird thing called caring about my own survival, maybe you’ve heard of it.

  • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

    By the way, it’s only the day after the election and you’re telling us to stop celebrating. Do you go to honeymooners’ hotel rooms on the second night and force them to listen to a lecture about how they should think about something other than sex?

  • fraser

     Civility is fine. But not as much as honesty and principle. There are issues where there’s no workable middle ground or not one we should live with. “Let employers who don’t want to cover health insurance” opt out of the mandate isn’t a compromise, for instance, it negates the mandate.”

  • Anton_Mates


    I sincerely believe that everyday folks *don’t* actually subscribe to
    the severe tribalism we see in their representatives (political or
    religious)… but instead fall somewhere in the middle and could be
    desperate to find something in common with the “other side.”

    Here’s the thing, though:  The evidence is against you on this.  Check out Pew’s reports on the increasing polarization of the electorate, and on their typology.

    In a nutshell:  Everyday folks have been becoming more and more polarized on almost every social and economic issue for, like, the last 25 years.  The proportions of people who are generally “liberal” or generally “conservative” haven’t changed very much, but the liberals are more strongly liberal (relative to the national average) and the conservatives are more conservative.  And even though more people are moving from registered D/R to “independent,” that does not mean that they’re particularly centrist on the issues.  Rather, the independents hold different combinations of positions than either party espouses.  But all these people hold their positions just as strongly as the staunch Democrats and Republicans.  And there’s no one combination of positions that “most independents” agree on, either.

    So, no, most people don’t fall in somewhere in the middle and they’re not desperate to find common ground with the other side.  Nor do they want centrist representatives.  In fact, the majority of Americans say they prefer politicians who stick to their positions, over politicians who try to compromise with the opposition.  And the majority of Republicans and Democrats say their party has done a bad job of standing up for its traditional positions.

    (By the way, do you know which Americans do like politicians who make compromises?  Liberals.  Specifically, people who are strongly liberal on social issues and the environment.)

    And, personally, I don’t have much problem with this.  Yeah, gridlock sucks, we do need a budget before the federal government implodes, etc.  But most of the issues we’re all fighting over are, well, important.  And I kind of like that more and more people are realizing that.

  • Baby_Raptor

    There is nothing at all ugly about celebrating the fighting off of the disaster that would have been Republicans winning. There’s nothing evil about celebrating that hey, my rights to bodily autonomy are (somewhat) safe for the next four years. Nor is it evil to celebrate the loss of the side that wants me dead for not being straight.

    And people who refuse to treat others as human do not deserve respect. We don’t need to be treating douchebags with humility. They need a good smacking until they come around, or to be ignored. The time for civility and grace for these assholes is LONG over.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     Screw unity and humility.  It’s time to drag the Ropublicans over to THE FACTS and rub their noses in it until they bleed.  I’m sick of them trying to run this country on delusions and misremembered Bible quotes.

  • Tybult

    I woke up this morning and went about my usual routine, and at some point I realized that Obama was probably the President-elect. (I didn’t pay attention to the results the night before – I learned my lessons from 2000 and 2004.)

    I felt oddly disconnected from the campaign this time around. At most I felt a vague joy.

    The real treat, however, has been the wingnut tears. They are of an exceptional quality this year. I’ll have to keep a few bottles around in the cellar.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Donald Trump would’ve been better off just being That 80s Mogul Who Everybody Remembers For His Floofy Hair.

    That Donald Trump thing? I heard he just tweeted that Karl Rove wasted $400 million.

    If that’s true – good God. :O

    Four. Hundred. Million. Dollars.

    That money didn’t even go to anything useful. It just went to buy slander by the trainload.

  • Rhubarbarian82

    Krugman had a fascinating insight on his blog that basically casts Rove as running a giant direct mail marketing scam targeted towards millionaires and billionaires. It’s definitely worth a read. He spent a lot of money and has very little to show for it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    That… that is incredibly fascinating, and if it’s true about Rove, I almost want to applaud him for the sheer audacity and scale of it. Almost, because Rove is still a mendacious ass who has done a hideous amount of damage to this country over his career, even just to provide a thin veneer of legitimacy (so to speak…) over his grand scam.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I didn’t know, for example, that heroes of direct-mail fundraising like
    Richard Viguerie ended up delivering hardly any of the money to
    political causes; somehow it ended up swallowed by overhead, otherwise
    known as the fundraisers themselves.

    I called it. I freakin’ called it.

    I knew Rove had sticky fingers with OPM.

    It’s either a very scintillating testament to my understanding of the predictability of right-wing governments and movements, or a really sad indictment of the predictability of self-serving behavior by complete assholes.

  • http://twitter.com/Didaktylos Paul Hantusch

    You mean very little he cares to show for it – wouldn’t surprise me if he’s got a lot  to conceal in the Cayman Islands …

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    I was suspecting the same of Mitt Romney. If you look at his campaigning versus fundraising, you see he does very little of the first and quite a bit of the latter, even up to the last week before the elections, when fundraising is kind of besides the point. 

    Add to that the infinitesmal amount of personal wealth the Romneys spent this time around, and it really looks like that campaign war chest is on its way to the Cayman Islands. 

  • Jim Roberts

    To be fair, fees from PAC election ads have been a massive boon to local TV stations in small markets like New Hampshire.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    fees from PAC election ads have been a massive boon to local TV stations 

    Yeah, I try to remind myself of that every time I see the total amount of money we spend on zero-sum competitions… the wealth that money represents isn’t being destroyed, it’s being transferred to people providing services, who use it to pay rent and feed their families. Spending is good.

    Sometimes it’s hard to remember that.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Still, there’s spending money on useful things (like buying a car) and just blowing cash on counterproductive stuff (like buying a few keys and it all going up your nose).

    I’d rather that $400 million have gotten spent giving people on welfare a rainy day fund.

  • Jim Roberts

    Oh, it’s was an epic waste of money in a lot of ways, no question. Not a total waste, though.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave


    I’d rather that $400 million have gotten spent giving people on welfare a rainy day fund.

    I don’t know.

    I mean, I’m all for funding public welfare, and the money certainly has to come from somewhere.

    That said, I’m not sure taking it out of the budgets spent on campaign advertising is necessarily where I would start, if I could wave a magic wand. At least some of that money is going to pay the salaries of working-class people, which is a fine thing to spend money on IMO.

  • AnonymousSam

    If nothing else, this is a brilliant way to test whether trickle-down economics really work or not. Considering previous tests appear to consist of “The more money people give us, the more money they’ll make!”, it’ll be nice to see whether the reciprocal is true.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     I heard an amusing notion:  What if all that PAC money spent on attack ads was enough of an economic stimulus to help fix the economy?  :D

  • EllieMurasaki

    Not when it’s all concentrated in swing-state media industries it’s not. I mean, I don’t doubt it’s awesome to be swing-state media industry during election advertising season, but.

  • Jenny Islander


    If I had $400 million, I could tell my town to rip up the bond issues for the new library and not worry about paying to replace the decrepit high school and still have enough money to never have to look at a price tag again!

    I don’t generally like to make internet diagnoses, but I feel completely confident in diagnosing dragon sickness* in these people.  Seriously.


  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    So, how’d the first day of the millenium of darkness work out for everyone?

    I have an important question: will the darkness be caused by some kind of structure cast over the USA landmass, or will there be an interference with the rotation of the earth. Cos if the latter, will that mean I am about to be subject to 1000 years of light? That could really bugger up my sleep cycle.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Oh, is the Mayan apocalypse starting? I thought that wasn’t for another month.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Chuck Norris said that if Obama won America would enter 1000 years of darkness.

  • EllieMurasaki

    He’s Chuck Norris. Darkness is afraid of him. The fuck’s he worried about?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    He’s Chuck Norris. Darkness is afraid of him. The fuck’s he worried about?

    Apparently, he’s worried about Nate Silver.

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

    My favorite is already the one I saw first:

    Nate Silver doesn’t think this song is about him. He’s 78.3% sure it is.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    The “Chuck Norris is so tough” meme is a joke, right? We’re not really meant to be impressed by him, surely.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Yeah. There are silly ones like:

    “Chuck Norris’s keyboard doesn’t need a CTRL key. He is ALWAYS in control.”

  • EllieMurasaki

    Of course it’s a joke. Whether we’re meant to be impressed, hell if I know.

  • Lliira


    They were old when I first started playing World of Warcraft and had to leave Barrens chat because of them. That was over 5 years ago. I know the internet never forgets, but does the internet have to keep telling the same jokes that were never funny in the first place over and over and over again? I’m going to still be ranting about this in 30 years, aren’t I?

  • VMink

    I as well.  I dislike those Chuck Norris jokes.  I much prefer Toshiro Mifune as the subject of random acts of otherworldly superhuman violence.  Or Nate Silver (#natesilverfacts) makes an excellent substitute.

    E.g.: “Nate Silver used to be a Travelling Salesman.  No problem.”

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    And how Random was his Walk? ;)

  • VMink

    I think that one is in there! =D

    Though I also liked: “Nate Silver has the solution to P=NP, but his solution is too large to fit in Fermat’s margin.”

    “Hari Seldon was a raving drunk on Trantor before he met Nate Silver.” (… which is actually a little bit creepy if one thinks about it for too long.)

    ETA: My sense of humor has changed since reading Surreal Numbers.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    My favourite so far: Nate Silver expected the Spanish Inquisition.

    I was betting on Obama to win more than 300 electoral votes while my friends and colleagues all trusted the “too close to call” narrative. They now think that I have amazing political insight although I keep trying to explain that all I did was recognise a solid model made by someone else. But hey, thanks Nate :)

  • Ursula L

    I am quite amused by the fact that, despite predicting the electoral college perfectly, Silver’s site is now explaining that they had it wrong, and the “tipping point” state was not Ohio, as they predicted, but Colorado.  

    Plus, his apology for the North Dakota Senate seat on “The Daily Show.”  

    It is worthwhile to remember that he does math based on poll numbers provided by others.  He doesn’t have a TARDIS to travel to the future and see the results before they happen.  

    Because, sadly, Nate Silver isn’t god.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    Of course he isn’t.  God plays dice with the Universe.  Nate Silver already knows how the dice will fall. ;)

  • http://www.nicolejleboeuf.com/index.php Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

     …Silver’s site is now explaining that they had it wrong, and the “tipping
    point” state was not Ohio, as they predicted, but Colorado.

    *does the Ellen Degeneres dance down the Boulder/Denver Turnpike*

    That is all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    I don’t know, I’m starting to think he’s bought into them, at least.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    I assumed everyone who relays them is taking the pissed out of him. Hmm.

  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    According to Norris himself, his favorite one is “They tried to carve Chuck Norris’ face into Mount Rushmore, but the stone just wasn’t hard enough to form his beard.”  

  • Hawker40

    “The “Chuck Norris is so tough” meme is a joke, right? We’re not really meant to be impressed by him, surely.”

    It’s a joke, yes.  The best one…
    There are many Chuck Norris jokes, but no Bruce Lee jokes.
    That’s because Bruce Lee is no joke.

  • Tricksterson

    Gruce Lee also beat Chuck Norris.

  • Tricksterson

    Ack!  Bruce Le

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    …and Bruce Li and Bruce Lii and Bruce Le Yi…after Lee’s death there were a TON of those. 

  • Fusina

     He was repeating a line from a Reagan speech given on Oct. 27, 1964. I looked it up.

    The link is here http://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/tgcdetail.aspx?p=TG0923RRS&h1=0&h2=0&sw=&lm=reagan&args_a=cms&args_b=1&argsb=N&tx=1736

  • MikeJ

     Weird. The 1000 years of darkness thing is the last graf of Alas, Babylon too.

  • http://profiles.google.com/marc.k.mielke Marc Mielke

    Chuck Norris is at best a Fighter/Monk, maybe with a few levels in Assassin. I’m pretty sure Evil Magician/Necromancer is way out of his areas of expertise. 

  • Mike Timonin

     will the darkness be caused by some kind of structure cast over the USA landmass

    The newly levitated Texas, perhaps?

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    It was a threat. Chuck Norris plans to roundhouse-kick the sun.

  • Loki100

    National Review has lost their collective minds. It’s almost funny how desperate they are to try and find some way out of this without repudiating any part of the Republican Party’s platform.

  • MikeJ

    Another name to possibly add to list of casualties in the war on vaginas: John Koster who was running in a newly redrawn WA-01. Local Republicans are blaming his loss on “the rape thing”, but I think he was going to get stomped anyway. DelBene won by 8, but I’d guess she was going to win by at least 6 even if he wasn’t such an idiot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Николай-Крутиков/100002311958508 Николай Крутиков

    Yeah, the wolves in wolf clothing are defeated. Pity that the wolves in sheep’s clothing are triumphant. 

  • Guest

    The wolves in sheep’s clothes got us health care. Good enough to get my vote.

  • http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/ chris the cynic

    The predictions of the Republicans going to war with themselves were made in 2008 as well.  I suppose those were correct, but what they got us was the Tea Party.  Not sure another Republican civil war will work out much better.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    It wasn’t so much a civil war as a thinly disguised attempt to confuse people by astroturfing a movement that looked like a right-wing third party but really just became a way to pull the Republican party rightward as well as make a noise machine that would fight tooth and nail against anything the Democrats did or said.

  • Lori

    I think we’ll have to wait until the 2014 midterms to know what to think about the Tea Party takeover. It helped the GOP immensely in 2010, but it cost them this year. I think the House in 2014 will be tell us which one was the real picture and which one was the momentary blip.

  • Carstonio

    There’s a strong argument that having Obama as president actually means higher ratings for Fox News, which enables whites to exercise their resentment.


    And the charts here confirm what Fred has been saying all year, which is that evangelicalism as a political movement is defined by race. Even among Catholics, the difference in the white vote and the Hispanic vote is striking.


  • Münchner Kindl

    Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel).

    There’s so much hilarity there – just because Switzerland is/was a good place to park your money and expensive to live there, doesn’t mean it’s a libertarian paradise. Yes, the Swiss stay out of the EU and other groups, but they still have a normal welfare system. Yes, they are very tight in who they let into their country as resident – but they don’t judge by skin colour. Just because you’re white doesn’t mean a US citizen is welcome with open arms. Esp. if he’s not a rich millionaire like Romney but a dumb uneducated whiner = libertarian of this type.

    Italy: Yes, under Berlusconi, machism reigned and his ties to the Mafia didn’t help the corruption. But Berlusconi’s gone now and even with corruption, Italy is still a European state. They have a traditional strong communist party and population behind it. And it’s majorily catholic and … well Italians. Do they count as white already for these weird folks? Against blacks or brown, maybe, but living there permanently?

    Still others may want to personally separate themselves from the United
    States here in North America while still living under communist rule

    That must be a different country from the United States of America which are here in North America but definitly not under communist rule in any meaningful  use of that word.

    Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who
    voted ‘O’. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste.

    Granted, he calls himself liberatarian, not Republican, but still – what a nice way to show family values by divorcing.

    Boycott Business who accept Welfare payments

    He only knows one form of welfare – EBT. Is he going to boycott all the banks that were bailed out by the govt.? What about the car industry? Will he stop using HFCS because of the subsidies for corn? No, of course not.

    “Only Nazis support Seat Belt laws”

    Yes, that’s a well-known historic fact. I wish he would do that first – anybody wearing a button like that shows you immediatly that he’s a crazy loon* and can be disregarded. http://notalwaysright.com/from-very-important-to-very-impotent/24754

    I doubt his claim that he has any friends he can cut off, though. Family, yes, even orcs have them and are not born from the ground. “Friends” on facebook, maybe (going by the South Park episode how quickly you can get hundreds of friends). But friends in real life with that attitude who think different? Not likely, I think.

    *Not intended as disrespect to mentally ill people who didn’t choose – there are words we want to use to express our disgust with people who start out mentally normal and willingly move into crazy-land by denying reality.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

    crazy loon* [..] are words we want to use to express our disgust with people who
    start out mentally normal and willingly move into crazy-land by denying

    Which would, I suppose, make them sane loons rather than crazy ones.

  • Guest

     “words we want to use to express our disgust with people who
    start out mentally normal and willingly move into crazy-land by denying

    “Bananas” is a good one, I think. Those people are bananas! Just about everyone knows it means loony, and it also connects with that deranged Kirk Cameron video about how bananas prove everything was created by God, on account of how bananas are so perfect for humans to eat, and all food everywhere is shaped like bananas.

    Bring bananas back!

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    *holds up apple* Decidedly not a banana shape. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrandyowens Randy Owens

    OK, how about some peanut butter, then?  Now with added abiogenesis!

  • Ursula L

    “Only Nazis support Seat Belt laws”

    Hmm…  A claim like that needs to be fact checked.

    Consult my father, born in 1937 Germany, certified Aryan, birth recorded on ofiicial SS family tree form.  Supports the use of seatbelts.

    Remember my German grandmother, who had a snapshot of Hitler in the family photo album.  She always made us wear seatbelts.

    Wearing a seatbelt was absolutely mandatory in my family.  One might even call it a law.


  • http://twitter.com/FearlessSon FearlessSon

    Family, yes, even orcs have them and are not born from the ground.

    Honestly, that depends on the universe and breed of orc.  

    Peter Jackson’s depiction of the Uruk-hai in The Lord of the Rings has them being literally bred from the ground.  Likewise, orcs in Warhammer reproduce by giving off spores which settle into the ground and grow into more orcs over time.  

  • LL

    Calls for “unity” are pretty rich coming from the party that acts like every electoral victory is divine providence. 

    Having said that, I tend to (in any situation involving people expressing opinions) ignore the most enthusiastically positive and negative ones. They are almost always unreliable, for various reasons. So random nutjobs on the internet ranting about Obama or whatever, I don’t think that necessarily reflects all Republicans. 

    Their support for politicians who say repellent things about rape victims and believe that half of America consists of lazy assholes who just want a handout, THAT I do take seriously. 

    Obviously, Obama can’t say it, but I will: Until the Republican party abandons its idiotic, gay-hating, vagina-controlling, science and fact-hating, white power, government-is-evil-so-please-put-us-in-charge-of-it-so-we-can-make-it-as-shitty-as-possible positions, they’ve got nothing to say that I want to hear. 

    They’re so far away from rational right now, the light from rational would take several years to reach them.

  • http://dpolicar.livejournal.com/ Dave

     > Calls for “unity” are pretty rich coming from the party that acts like every electoral victory is divine providence.

    (nods) My response to calls for unity at this point is “Unity is great! I endorse unity! You first.”

  • http://jamoche.dreamwidth.org/ Jamoche

    The article I saw on the McDonald’s flag says the flagpole cable jammed and the owner hadn’t noticed until a customer told him. Given that if it had been intentional the owner would’ve doubled-down on it, it seems plausible.

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     So why was the flag upside-down?

  • Lori

    He didn’t notice that the flag needs to be replaced, that he put it on the cable upside down and that pulling it up took only half as long as usual? Somebody needed to have another cup of coffee before he started his duties. I’m just sayin’.

  • Daughter

    Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel).

    Hmm. According to Wikipedia, each of those countries has universal health care. Why does he think those would be better libertarian paradises than the U.S.?

  • Consumer Unit 5012

     Apparently, a lot of GOPers are ‘threatening’ to move to Australia.  I guess they want to exchange random-life-ruining illness for random deadly animal attacks?

  • EllieMurasaki

    Well, if drop bears get them all, they won’t be a headache for us or for the Australians. Ditto for if they get to Australia and then realize just how lefty-liberal the place is, which will surely induce mass headsplodey. So I fully endorse the GOP-moving-to-Australia plan.

  • VMink

    I just like the idea of drop bears.  Believe it or not, a few friends of mine in NZ had never heard the term before.  I mean, NZ is (vociferously) not Australia, but even so.

    Drop bears.  Hee!

    (Though for all the lack of actual nice temperament that koalas show, they might as well fit the drop bear bill.)

  • Daughter

     Maybe this is part of right-wingers’ ignorance about the world. They don’t seem to realize that unless they’re willing to trade their modern, comfortable, relatively free lifestyles for living in an underdeveloped country run by a totalitarian dictator, there is literally no place for them to go if they want to escape the things they label as “socialism.”

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Apparently, a lot of GOPers are ‘threatening’ to move to Australia.  I guess they want to exchange random-life-ruining illness for random deadly animal attacks?

    Now that’s a boat I want to see turned around.

    Why the hell do they want to come here? It is because we speak English and they know shit-all else about us so are unaware of our universal health care, gun laws, minimum wage, labour rights, seat belt laws, compulsory voting, roadside breath-testing, personal income tax rates etc etc? And that public displays of religiosity and patriotism are looked down on pretty severely?

    There’s a tweet going around from a young woman who said “I’m moving to Australia, because their President (sic.) is a Christian (sic) and actually supports what he (sic.) says”.  We don’t know whether to be more amused or insulted.

    Can everyone please get word out amongst right wingers that, not only is our PM an unmarried childless athiest woman, but our Finance Minister is a left wing half-Asian feminist Christian lesbian new mother*.

    *Not to mention intelligent, dignified and an all-round class act. I love Penny Wong. *sigh*

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Please, keep the Americans. We don’t have a riot of bizarre and dangerous life forms that will devour the unwary. The polar bears live in the wilds, and the caribou don’t run in the south of Canada.

    I also doubt attack igloos are very impressive, either, not that anyone could build one around here for lack of snow these days. :P

    I do find it a little bizarre that right-wing Americans are now claiming they’ll leave the country in droves, when they seem to know so little about the rest of the world and almost take pride in that kind of insularity.

    At least left-wing Americans preparing to pack up and leave seemed to have an informed opinion as to why their chosen destination was a better place to be.

  • Carstonio


    We don’t know whether to be more amused or insulted.

    I would be curious to know where they’re getting their information on Australia. The menu at Outback Steakhouse? Old episodes of Steve Irwin: Crocodile Hunter? Maybe they assume that Mel Gibson was born in Australia and not New York state.

  • Lori


    Can everyone please get word out amongst right wingers that, not only is
    our PM an unmarried childless athiest woman, but our Finance Minister
    is a left wing half-Asian feminist Christian lesbian new mother*.  

    One of your fellow Aussies appears to be working on it.


  • Matri

    *collapses from laughter*

  • Matri

    So, they want to move to a country with socialized healthcare?

    To get away from socialized healthcare.

    Palm, meet face.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667708632 Kenneth Raymond

    I’d like to add that what I’ve said about “bipartisanship” already happened the day after the election. The very. Day. After.


    “Compromise” is the word rather than “bipartisanship,” but it’s the same thing. Boehner is already saying that Obama should “compromise” by giving the Republicans everything they want anyway, in exchange for a vague promise for future actions that you know will be put off and ignored once the time comes, and even if they aren’t, won’t actually come close to raising the revenues the country desperately needs.

    “Compromise” doesn’t just mean “two sides make concessions to get something done.” It also means “damage something until it can no longer serve its purpose.” As in, “Helm’s Deep was compromised and could no longer keep the orcs out.” Republican compromises are about the second definition, not the first.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino


    The “Tale of the Economics Professor”.

  • EllieMurasaki

    Huh. I’d only heard that story as an anecdote about a father and daughter where the father pointed out that the daughter not wanting her excellent grade averaged with a lower-performing student’s grade made the daughter a Republican. Which anecdote is still bullshit, of course, one’s food, shelter, and health do not (or should not) depend on one’s grades and we do not actually want to live in Harrison Bergeron, but.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Supreme Court Appears Ready to Nuke the Voting Rights Act

    And for bonus points, why am I totally not surprised it’s a challenge from Alabama?

  • Funfungabby

    I am sad that too much money was spent on the Election.  It could of helped the homeless and our National debt.  To spend so much money on hate and hate emails plus lies by people who are to be well educated.  Wow!  I am so glad we have a man in office who cares about all people and what happens to them.  President Obama had a plan and was honest to us up front.  He never changed his politics through the whole campaign.  I am proud of him and how he ran his election.  I voted my Christian values when I read hate, top Christian leaders going for money and not the bible of it’s teachings.  I am a sinner and not perfect person but seeing Presidents Obama tears and compassion for us said it all to me.  He loves America and all people.