Hop on pop — Bergoglio now ‘Pope Francis’

Er, I mean, habemas papem.

White smoke at the Vatican. CNN is killing time waiting for news of who has just been chosen as the new pope and head of the Roman Catholic Church.

So if you’re reading this, you were snubbed yet again.

I defer to SNAP, which provides a list of “promising prelates” as well as a list of a “dirty dozen” cardinals they do not want to see become pope.

Update: And the winner is …

Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, archbishop of Buenos Aires and a Jesuit. His Wikipedia entry is already labeled “Pope Francis.”

Here’s hoping Pope Francis lives up to his namesake.

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  • Carstonio

     Given the records of recent popes on rights for women’s rights and LGBT rights, an antipope might be more like Ellanjay’s concept of Nicolae, unintentionally portrayed as a do-gooder.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Ok, fair enough, But the dude was given access to it by a military junta very unoncerned with human rights and in fact the guy worked to actively impede a human rights investigation.

  • Launcifer

    I’m being incredibly judgmental, based entirely on the fact that the two previous incumbents of Francis I’s office – the two I’ve been around to read and hear – have been bigots. That’s not particularly fair but, given that the new Bishop of Rome has previously shown himself to be thoroughly in line with Church teachings on things like abortion, homosexuality and contraption, I would suggest that my judgmentalism might prove to be on the mark unless he suddenly changes his attitudes now he’s Pope.

    That said, if it turns out that I have to eat my rather sarcastic comments from page one, then I’ll be quite happy to do so. It would mean that Francis I has made concrete attempts to – and has perhaps even succeeded in – changing the attitudes and practices of his organisation when it comes to things like the sexual health of his parishioners, the continuing cover-up of decades – probably centuries – of sexual abuse by his fellow priests or the right to equal treatment under the law for people who happen to live lives with which he might find disagreement purely on the basis of words written on some scraps of parchment from way back in the Iron Age. I reckon any one of those things – amongst many others – would be well worth a double dose of humble pie.  

    Until that day, however, I’m going to assume he’s cut from similar cloth to his predecessors and respond accordingly.

  • Launcifer

    I’m being incredibly judgmental, based entirely on the fact that the two previous incumbents of Francis I’s office – the two I’ve been around to read and hear – have been bigots. That’s not particularly fair but, given that the new Bishop of Rome has previously shown himself to be thoroughly in line with Church teachings on things like abortion, homosexuality and contraption, I would suggest that my judgmentalism might prove to be on the mark unless he suddenly changes his attitudes now he’s Pope.

    That said, if it turns out that I have to eat my rather sarcastic comments from page one, then I’ll be quite happy to do so. It would mean that Francis I has made concrete attempts to – and has perhaps even succeeded in – changing the attitudes and practices of his organisation when it comes to things like the sexual health of his parishioners, the continuing cover-up of decades – probably centuries – of sexual abuse by his fellow priests or the right to equal treatment under the law for people who happen to live lives with which he might find disagreement purely on the basis of words written on some scraps of parchment from way back in the Iron Age. I reckon any one of those things – amongst many others – would be well worth a double dose of humble pie.  

    Until that day, however, I’m going to assume he’s cut from similar cloth to his predecessors and respond accordingly.

  • SisterCoyote

     Probably not that bad. But it’s quite a hope to have dashed – not going for the saint of Christlike responses to poverty, but for a Jesuit, who… are known for their aggressive conversion efforts?

  • phranckeaufile

    Is there a “style” that’s been used 41 times? If so, I would take that one. 

  • http://hummingwolf.livejournal.com/ Hummingwolf

    If by some miracle I became Pope, I would have to be Pope Junia.  As I don’t plan to convert to Roman Catholicism, I’d like to at least see a Pope Junia in my lifetime.

  • christopher_y

    Senor Bagoglio on gay marriage:

    …a device of the devil who deceitfully intends to destroy the image of God: man and woman, who received the mandate to grow, multiply, and conquer the Earth. Let us not be naive: it is not a simple political struggle; it is an intention [which is] destructive of the plan of God. It is not a mere legislative project (this is a mere instrument), but rather a ‘move’ of the father of lies.

    Apart from everything else that’s wrong with this, I’d feel less terrified if it didn’t sound so much like a press release from Focus on Families.

  • Lori

    Saintlike responses to poverty are dangerous. Or so say the folks that National Review, who apparently took pains to reassure their readers that Francis’ concern for the poor (such as it is) isn’t as scary as it sounds since he doesn’t favor “stateist” solutions.

    Whew, that’s a relief. /sarcasm

    http://crookedtimber.org/2013/03/14/more-of-the-same-2/

    I think one of the commentors on that article has it about right—Francis is OK because. “He’ll feed the poor (which is good), but he won’t ask why they’re poor (which would be bad).”

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    http://i.imgur.com/tcFTq0t.gif

    *sighs and shakes head*

  • Carstonio

    Taking the statement at face value, how would hindering reproduction help the devil at the expense of the Christian god? Does the deed for the earth automatically revert to Satan if the god can’t supply enough tenants? Does the “father of lies” have billions of ifrits eager to move in? I would think the devil wants more humans, not fewer, so he can pursue and claim their souls.

  • Tricksterson

    Arch-Devil from old D&D

  • Tricksterson

    Tell me it has a semi-extimct volcano!

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    I’ve read that Pope Francis has made public statements saying that QUILTBAG folks should be treated with respect and dignity and not oppressed.

    Clearly, he has a different understanding of what treating someone with respect and dignity and not oppressing them looks like. But it gives me hope that the Vatican might come around if we just give them another two or three hundred years.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2CUJHSQSQYTYT4DPZSKTVESYNQ B

    You know, if this was strictly a declaration that the Catholic church thinks that gay marriage is immoral, against the law of God, etc.  I… well, it’s not true that I wouldn’t have a problem with that.  I would have a problem with that in that I think it’s wrong, discriminatory, even immoral (along with their stance on ordination of women and a number of other issues).

    But still, it’s their church, and it’s their prerogative to decide who can get married or ordained in their church, even if I vehemently disagree with them.

    However, when Bagoglio said this, he wasn’t just explaining why the Catholic Church should not marry gay couples.  He was explaining why Argentina should not marry gay couples.  And of course marriages that are occurring outside the Catholic Church are none of his d*mn business… but like so many Catholic leaders today, he seems to think he should have some sort of say in what non-Catholics do and think.

  • Rae

    Colliding a Pope and Antipope at the LHC sounds like exactly the kind of thing that Dan Brown would get horribly, horribly wrong.

  • christopher_y

    What’s become of Disqus? It’s displaying in a completely different format. Which I do not like because it no longer has the option to show “newest first”, which means that you have to scroll through all the comments you’ve already read to discover if anybody’s said anything recently.

    I blame the Pope. This can’t be a coincidence.

  • Carstonio

    Yes. That’s also my position on the Church limiting leadership roles to men. While they have the right to that rule, that doesn’t make the rule itself right or moral. I’ve never heard of Catholic leaders insisting that non-Catholic organizations should have the same rule, but the arguments they use to justify their rule have universal implications, as does Bagoglio’s about gay marriage.

  • Nick Gotts

    On Bergoglio’s connections with the Argentine “Dirty War” junta, whatever the truth of the specific allegations against him, the Argentine church was up to its neck in collaboration, and there are several photos of Bergoglio himslef hobnobbing with Videla.

  • pepperjackcandy

    Why are the comments suddenly nested? I don’t think they were last night.

    Will logging in fix it?

  • http://www.oliviareviews.com/ PepperjackCandy

    After accidentally attempting to sign in in the wrong place, and signing in correctly, it looks like no, signing in will not correct it. Maybe it’s my browser?

  • Lori

    It’s not you, it’s Disqus. Nothing you can do about it and if reports are correct, also nothing Fred can do about it.

  • http://mmycomments.blogspot.com/ mmy

    There is still an option to select “newest first.” Look for the word ‘Discussion’ on the far left of the row under the ‘leave a comment’ box. Click on the down arrow next to the word and you have the option to have comments threaded by newest, oldest or best.

  • Eminnith

    Next to the “Share” link there’s a gear thing with an arrow you can click for the options “Login” and “Send Feedback.” If we all send feedback, will it help?

  • Eminnith

    That only shows newest comment threads, not newest comments. Not helpful, Disqus.

  • The Future

    Formosus II


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