NRA: Nudge, nudge, wink, wink

Nicolae: The Rise of Antichrist; pp. 156-161

Buck Williams is trying to reach former-rabbi Tsion Ben-Judah, but Ben-Judah is in hiding. So Buck turns for help to Moses and Elijah.

Moses and Elijah are characters in this story. Moses Moses and Elijah Elijah. As in Mt.-Sinai, Ten-Commandments Moses and Mt.-Carmel, fiery-chariot Elijah. The very same. They’ve mysteriously come back to life and returned to Earth. And now they are both, like Tsion Ben-Judah, born-again Rapture-Christians.

There’s something vaguely familiar about that “Moishe” guy.

I know we’ve mentioned all of that before, but sometimes it’s helpful just to step back and let it sink in again how deeply weird it is that Moses and Elijah are characters in this story.*

Tim LaHaye wants his readers to recognize that he, Tim LaHaye, is uniquely correct about the meaning of the Bible and of “Bible prophecy,” and so his story includes Moses and Elijah as characters who stand around preaching that Tim LaHaye is uniquely correct about the meaning of the Bible and of Bible prophecy. They stop just short of mentioning LaHaye by name, but still.

Anyway, Buck takes a cab to the Temple Mount, where Moses and Elijah have been holding court, and before he arrives there we get one last flashback/summary/review reintroducing these two characters to any readers who may have forgotten them.

They called themselves Moishe and Eli, and truly they seemed to have come from another time and another place. They wore ragged, burlap-like robes. They were barefoot with leathery, dark skin. Both had long, dark gray hair and unkempt beards. They were sinewy with bony joints and long muscled arms and legs. Anyone who dared get close to them smelled smoke.

So either this is Moses and Elijah from the Bible, or it’s Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson.

Those who dared attack them had been killed. It was as simple as that. Several had rushed them with automatic weapons, only to seem to hit an invisible wall and drop dead on the spot.

The rules clearly state that there’s a penalty for using range weapons in melee.

Others had been incinerated where they stood, by fire that had come from the witnesses’ mouths.

Note the plural here. The authors suggest that this has happened more than once, publicly. And they’ve previously told us that one such incident was filmed by not-CNN and broadcast around the world.

Set aside the laws of physics here. Yes, of course this bit of the story violates the laws of physics — that’s the authors’ point. But what the authors fail to see is that this bit of their story also violates every known law of human nature. The people in their story are not people — not anything recognizable as the humans that we know.

They’ve just described a scene in which the entire population of the world witnesses a series of explicit, undeniable and unambiguously supernatural events. And then everyone simply ignores them. No awestruck wonder. No curiosity. No skeptical probing to try to figure out how the trick was done. Just a giant collective shrug. That’s impossible. Humans don’t work like that.

But according to the authors, humans do work like that. Or, at least, Christ-denying, unsaved, non-RTC, damnation-deserving humans do. In their view, unbelievers are not simply unconvinced, but obstinate, willful deniers of evidence every bit as overwhelmingly clear as the miraculous fire-breathing killers in this story. (Just read Josh McDowell or any other “apologetics” book — it’s obvious, so anyone who doesn’t immediately convert is just stubbornly rejecting what they know to be true.)

They preached nearly constantly in the language and cadence of the Bible, and what they said was blasphemous to the ears of devout Jews. They preached Christ and him crucified, proclaiming him the Messiah, the Son of God.

If they’re sticking to “the language and cadence” of that part of the Bible, it wouldn’t sound blasphemous to the ears of devout Jews. It would sound like first-century koine Greek — an indecipherable babble even in a tri-lingual city like Jerusalem.

The only time they had been seen apart from the Wailing Wall was at Teddy Kollek Stadium …

Jerry Jenkins is so proud of the one piece of lazy research he bothered to do that he can’t resist repeating it every chance he gets. Yes, Teddy Stadium is a real place in Jerusalem. And Moses and Elijah, apparently, are football fans.

The only time they had been seen apart from the Wailing Wall was at Teddy Kollek Stadium, when they appeared on the platform with Rabbi Tsion Ben-Judah, a recent convert to Christ. News coverage broadcast around the world showed these two strange men, speaking in unison, not using microphones and yet being heard distinctly in the back rows. “Come nigh and listen,” they had shouted, “to the chosen servant of the most high God! He is among the first of the 144,000 who shall go forth from this and many nations to proclaim the gospel of Christ throughout the world!”

That “come nigh” and “go forth” business is what the authors actually meant by “the language and cadence of the Bible.” For the authors, the language of the Bible is English — but only English as it was spoken before Friedrich Schleiermacher was born.

But even if you read the Bible in King James English, it’s hard to explain how Ben-Judah could be counted among the “144,000″ mentioned in the book of Revelation. “These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins,” Revelation 14:4 says. And yet, verily and forsooth, the authors themselves hath written that Ben-Judah had taken unto him a wife, and gone in to her and knew her and uncovered her feet, and lo, in the fullness of time, she bore unto him many children.

The authors review how Ben-Judah then spent the following year on a stadium tour around the world, “resulting in tens of thousands of converts,” before the recent slaughter of his family which drove the ex-rabbi into hiding. And that brings us back to the present in our story, with Buck approaching the Western Wall to seek help from “Moishe and Eli” in tracking down Ben-Judah.

This evening the witnesses were doing as they had done every day since the signing of the treaty between Israel and Carpathia: They were proclaiming the terrible day of the Lord.

And if that made you think of this, then your brain works the same way mine does.

And they were acknowledging Jesus Christ as “the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, and the Prince of Peace.”

So Moses and Elijah haven’t become orthodox Christians — they’ve become Monarchian heretics. (Hey, I’m not judging. I lean more than a bit Patripassian, myself.)

Buck was always thrilled and moved by the preaching of the witnesses. He looked around the crowd and saw people from various races and cultures. He knew from experience that many of them understood no Hebrew. They were understanding the witnesses in their own tongues, just as he was.

French-speaking people heard the witnesses speaking in King James French. Spanish-speakers heard King James Spanish, Mandarin-speakers heard King James Mandarin. …

Buck creeps closer until he catches their attention:

Both stared directly into his eyes, and he could not move. Without gesturing or moving, Eli began to preach. “He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here; for He is risen, as He said.”

Believers in the crowd mumbled their amens and their agreement. Buck was riveted. Moishe stepped forward and seemed to speak directly to him. “Do not be afraid, for I know whom you seek. He is not here.”

Back in the first book the authors established this pattern of having the Two Witnesses speak almost entirely in direct quotations from the Bible. That seemed like a timid choice — a way of side-stepping the precarious challenge of writing dialogue for characters who are supposed to be speaking on God’s behalf.

Here that choice creates a problem, since Buck is coming to them with a specific, extra-biblical question — “Do you guys know where I might find our friend Tsion?” That question seems to require a specific answer involving something other than a hodge-podge of Bible passages plucked out of context.

The authors solution is to have the Two Witnesses speak in a “clever” biblical code. “I know whom you seek,” Moishe says to Buck, winking broadly. “Eh, get it? Whom you seek? Like, it seems like I’m only quoting from Matthew 28, but really I’m also talking about Tsion … get it?”

But Buck doesn’t get it.

Moishe, still staring at Buck: “Indeed He is going before you into Galilee. There you will see Him. Behold I have told you.”

I supposed this is slightly more subtle than having Moishe tell Buck that “ion-Tsay is in alilee-Gay.” But only slightly. Yet despite such broad hints, Buck still takes a while to pick up on all this winking and elbow-nudging:

The witnesses stood and stared silently for so long, unmoving, it was as if they had turned to stone. The crowd grew nervous and began to dissipate. Some waited to see if the witnesses would speak again, but they did not. Soon only Buck stood where he had stood for the last several minutes. He couldn’t take his eyes off the eyes of Moishe. The two merely stood at the fence and stared at him. Buck began to advance on them., coming to within about 20 feet. They seemed not even to be breathing. Buck noticed no blink, no twitch.

“Jeez, kid,” Moishe whispered. “Galilee. Tsion’s in @%#$ Galilee. How many times’ve I gotta say it? Now get lost before you draw any more attention to yourself.”

That’s what I wish happened here, but what actually does happen is even sillier:

In the fading twilight, he carefully watched their faces. Neither opened his mouth, and yet Buck heard, plain as day in his own language, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

And, finally, Buck gets it.

So then, two questions:

1. If you can communicate telephathically, why wouldn’t you do that first instead of speaking out loud in a heavy-handed Bible “code” that your dim friend still can’t quite grasp? And,

2. If you’re communicating telepathically, why are you still speaking in Bible code?

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* Why Moses and Elijah? Well, in LaHaye’s idea of the End Times, they will be the “Two Witnesses” whose story is told in Revelation 11.

We should note that Revelation itself never names those Two Witnesses, and that they seem to appear much later in that story than they do in LaHaye’s chronology. Revelation gives us the seven seals of divine wrath, then the first six of the seven trumpets, and then the Two Witnesses show up, but for LaHaye they appear before any of those divine judgments even begin. He can explain why that is, mind you, and if I had several hours to spare and access to the dozens of charts, graphs and decoder rings necessary to explain it, I could show you how he does that and how it almost makes a kind of internal sense given the whole vast, convoluted premillennial dispensationalist framework. But for now let’s just note this as another reminder that LaHaye’s insistence that he sticks to a “literal” reading of the Bible should not be mistaken for a claim that he sticks to anything like a linear reading of it.

The idea of identifying John of Patmos’ two unidentified witnesses with Moses and Elijah is an old one. It’s an old guess more than a “tradition,” since apart from modern “prophecy scholars” like LaHaye, it was never suggested as more than speculation. That guess is inspired by the strange story in the Synoptic Gospels of Jesus’ “transfiguration,” which describes Jesus’ encounter with those two patriarchs. Moses and Elijah carry great symbolic weight there as the embodiments of “the law and the prophets,” respectively, although that symbolism has always bothered me a bit, since Jesus himself said otherwise, repeatedly. The embodiment of the law and the prophets, Jesus said, is love.

  • reynard61

    Buck, Moishe and Eli at the Wailing Wall. (Translation: He’s rather dense, but he’ll *eventually* get the message…)

  • reynard61

    Oh crap! Chick in Czech? Why have they not sent our Ambassador home and declared war on us already?!

  • arcseconds

    I actually have a degree of sympathy for L&J with their reluctance to concoct dialogue for Moishe and Eli.

    I suppose it does seem on the face of it an odd hangup to have, given that the entire series is about advancing their own view on what kind of character God is (and not in a particularly subtle way, either).

    But lots of authors do this. If God features as a character, you can’t avoid some theology, even if it’s not supposed to be taken particularly seriously (if it’s just a jape, then that’s also advancing a particular attitude towards religion and the notion of God).

    Plus, of course, they don’t think they’re making up the character of God here at all. They think he’s really like this.

    And I can understand that while you’ve got a distinct idea of what God’s like and what they want, you might baulk at actually putting words into their mouth, and same for figures from the actual Bible. Kind of a graven image thing, you might say.

    Of course, Jenkins manages to handle this in a completely ham-fisted way, leading to comedy scenes like this.

    A real artist would find a way to handle this. Having them never narrated as speaking directly is an obvious way to go, either by having them always speaking ‘off screen’, or by never having direct quotations, just summaries:

    “Where’s Tsion at, Moishe? I really need to speak with him.”
    Moses told Buck that Tsion was in Galilee.
    ‘Hey thanks, Moishe! You’re a mensch.”
    Moses indicated to Buck that it was not a problem.

  • arcseconds

    That’s an awesome idea for an awkward-humour, Mel Brooks meets MST3K, film/sketch/comic book or whatever:—

    Godzilla: Ace Reporter

  • arcseconds

    I dunno how he gets into press conferences, but I reckon if he suggests you give him an exclusive, you’d better do so, if you like that city you got there…

  • arcseconds

    when did Jessica_R do this? I’ve just looked at her posting history, and I can’t see anything that resembles spinetinger’s remark. was it months and months ago?

    so, er, [citation needed], I guess.

  • arcseconds

    I’m with you on this one.

    I don’t even think I’d call Enopoletus Harding a troll, to be honest. He’s often annoying and kind of rude, and he has a kind of bizarre set of behaviours that don’t mesh well here and don’t go down well as a result, and he doesn’t seem to care overmuch about this.

    But I have a bit of a soft spot for his insistance on being himself, even though no-one likes him. And he does appear to be engaging in something like an honest fashion, even though sometimes it seems a bit like he read a power-point slide about honest interaction once and he’s going to damn well keep to what he remembers of the bullet points no matter what.

    As far as his [citation needed] stuff goes, well, it’s a completely obnoxious way of doing it, and there’s not actually a requirement to cite everything, it’s a goddamned comment thread on someone’s blog not a monograph. But we do sometimes ask that of each other, and we definitely do when we disagree with someone politically. And EH virtually always disagrees with us politically.

    Put it this way: people can make all sorts of left-leaning comments here, and no-one (except EH) will call them on it, because we for the most part share the pre-suppositions. But if someone came in from a right-leaning blog (a reasonable one), and just started saying things that would go down without a comment there, could expect to be bombarded with demands for citations here. And vice versa: if we went over there, we’d get the same treatment.

    And there’s nothing wrong with any of that.

    So, to some extent EH’s just acting like a one-man majority.

    And as far as the never letting go thing goes, well, I do that too, so if that makes you a troll… er, don’t answer that :)

    Also, EH gets a lot of abuse here, and not all of it is deserved. Lliira says we don’t downvote for simple disagreement, and that’s true, but I reckon EH’s comments just get downvoted pretty much no matter what he says, and frankly I question the justice of that. It’s easy to treat people you generally agree with and aren’t (usually) annoyed by fairly, so don’t let’s pat ourselves on our backs for our fair-mindedness with our own.

    He hardly responds in kind (if it was me, I’d be spitting tacks. Or I’d leave, which I guess is the idea…). And he says nice things from time to time, and he often gets a cool reception for these, too: witness the curmudgeonly objection to EH celebrating AnonymousSam’s 3000th comment.

    Also, it’s healthy to have people around the majority disagree with, and even a bit of challenging behaviour can be a good thing.

  • Daniel

    Moses- Mel Brooks
    Elijah- Jackie Mason
    When he finally gets here Jesus- Woody Allen

  • Daniel

    Two words: Frickin’ “lasers”.

  • Daniel

    As two Jewish stereotypes, shouldn’t their mothers be there feeding them up and fussing over them?

  • Daniel

    I hope then that this image tempts you to read some of Jack Chick’s full length non-tract comics. In this one, a busy body ex-missionary turns up and (amongst other things) tells this woman she has no right to refuse sex to her husband.
    (I don’t know how to make the picture smaller and now I feel guilty for drawing attention to this post with a massive picture.)

  • Daniel

    add the words “solving crimes” to that and you’ve got a hit.

  • Ima Pseudonym

    Actually, I kind of think that they didn’t exist in any form at all until they stepped out of…whatever it was that they stepped out of. They’re pseudobiological servitors that Murdergod creates for its own purposes, with memories from its previous subjects, edited of anything It found displeasing, and given whatever tasks It suited them for. And I think the “Glorifieds” in the last book are the same–meatplugs, copies It made of its favorite toys with all the things it found offensive eroded away and replaced with something more…pleasing.

  • Ima Pseudonym

    ELLENJAY, AT SLACKTIVIST. SHAKA, WHEN THE WALLS FELL.

  • Ima Pseudonym

    Drebbin 10:6: Iike unto a midget at a urinal, thou must stay upon one’s toes.

  • Daniel

    I wasn’t actually sure there was anything to work out. I mean they do actually say “the guy you’re looking for is in Galilee.” It’s hard to know how much more explicit that could be without becoming a clue in a Dan Brown book.

  • themunck

    Have you considered just using roll20.net? It’s not the same as sitting in the same room, but it can do the job :/

  • themunck

    Now I’m getting Discworld flashbacks (the auditors of reality).

  • Daniel

    “News coverage broadcast around the world showed these two strange men,
    speaking in unison, not using microphones and yet being heard distinctly
    in the back rows.”

    At the offices of Global World Global Television One World Global News the editor is (of course) on the phone:
    “What? Two shabby looking old men talking bollocks at a football match? Thanks for the tip. [hangs up phone] We need someone down there right away! If we don’t cover this LIVE you can bet your arse someone else will!”
    “Who? We’re the only media outlet in the world.”
    “That’s not the point. We need to hear what these two old Jews with quite common Jewish first names have to say! THEY’RE AT A FOOTBALL MATCH, PEOPLE! And they’re quoting the Bible! If you can think of ONE story that’s as important as that, I’ll let you take my job right now!”
    “The children disappearing?”
    “That happened ages ago! No one cares about that any more! This is TWO OLD MEN TALKING! This is the Hindenburg, the Iranian Embassy, and 9/11 all rolled into one!”

    “Good point chief.”
    “So get someone over there right away! I just hope we haven’t missed it. You only get one shot at hearing old men talk impenetrable bollocks…”

  • Daniel

    “Dammit Godzilla, I don’t know how you do it but you’ve done it again. Imagine, cast iron proof that David Ike was right and the world really is being run by twelve foot tall lizards. How did you manage to infiltrate them? You know what- never mind- I don’t need to know. Just make sure you bring a little of that magic to your coverage of the Thumbalton and West Chimney by-election next week.”

  • Daniel

    Usually he phones ahead, arranges a press pass and then collects it in due time to make sure he gets a good seat. It’s just common sense really.

  • http://againstjebelallawz.wordpress.com/ Enopoletus Harding
  • caryjamesbond

    Why is that giant baby wearing mascara?

  • Daniel

    So by blinking she can paint all those lines on the wall behind her.

  • Launcifer

    Ah, well, that’s cleared up that one. I don’t know why I was hoping for something more interesting, like Elijah turning up on the left wing in the sixty-fifth minute or whatever. Another mystery shrinks with the revelation.

  • Daniel

    The former Turkish president Necmettin Erbakan is freakishly similar to the mascara baby above. I have only just found this out. I was pleased.

  • The_L1985

    Well, spending 2 months on YouTube reading the comments isn’t exactly the best idea, unless you’re a masochist. There’s too much “LOLgay” and “I disagree with you, therefore you are stupid, evil, and wrong about EVERYTHING ELSE in the world” for me to want to read any YouTube comment thread for longer than it takes to get to the “Skip this ad” part of the proceeding.

  • banancat

    I’ve started play-testing 5e and it’s really significantly better than all the other versions I’ve played.

  • Alix

    Everyone else is humoring them.

  • Launcifer

    Does that mean that Rayford never really had a wife and son? Hell, since they’re the viewpoint characters, can we just go with the entire apocalypse being a manufactured memory designed to convince them they’re human in the first place?

  • banancat

    When I first started playing D&D, the DM sent out the chick tract about Dark Leaf as required reading before we played. He and his wife were actually very religious (but Mormon so Chick wouldn’t like them) and he used the comic to weed out anyone without a sense of humor.

  • Launcifer

    Depends. Would Colombo be at Raybuck’s roast, too? I mean, you’d pretty much need for it to be Jesus if you were planning a comedy roast by a Biblical figure, if only because the guy actually had a sense of humour.

  • Daniel

    Splendid. I think my very favorite is “The Green Angels” a rock band who have never heard of Satan- despite being a rock band, and playing regular gigs in a church. They have a song. The song is amazing, and contains the lyrics “we’re gonna rock rock rock with the rock!” Michael Moorcock writes for Hawkwind, Jack Chick managed to avoid that slippery slope.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    You know, doesn’t the movie have a barrier with a sign in English and crappily done Hebrew?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Sad thing is, L&J invoke an archangel like, once, and all it’s for is to give Rayford some kind of ~epiphany~. Or was that Tsion ben-Judah?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Michael Drosnin would have had a field day.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Now that Fred has called attention to it, I realized that Jenkins sure uses that stadium a *lot*. He has Tsion ben-Judah have this Grand Debate with Nicolae later on, with that whole blood and water stunt and the omg everybody understands TBJ in their own language but ha-ha, Nicolae needs interpreters even though he speaks like ALL THE LANGUAGES

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I LOLed. This very much made my day. XD

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    You know, isn’t this like the first time Buck is going to see the Witnesses? if so, how can he be “always” thrilled and moved?

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Aw man. I’ve never had a real physical Chick tract.

    (on second thought Jack Chick might try something dumb like “Canuck Tracts” for Canadians.)

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    S’all right :D I don’t even twitter or tumblr, and I barely use Facebook, heh.

  • Kenneth Raymond

    Eh, people having moved away leads into serious time/coordination issues, especially since most have moved away for stuff like work, family, or continued education. A nifty client for increasing the pace of gaming online doesn’t solve that problem, alas.

  • Kenneth Raymond

    I’m actually kind of apathetic about D&D these days. I could be convinced to go back and play around in a couple settings that mostly have 2nd or 3rd edition support (Planescape and Eberron, specifically), but I’ve been disconnected from D&D for so long that I can’t muster much enthusiasm outside those settings. That and I’m terribly rusty at it.

    The local arts & crafts store has started carrying gaming stuff, and the guy who works there is kind of playing gaming matchmaker with anyone who comes by, so if I’m lucky I can get something going with some other games soon. If I’m lucky and there are people who want to play something other than D&D or Pathfinder.

  • http://againstjebelallawz.wordpress.com/ Enopoletus Harding

    Why don’t you have adblock? And I didn’t just read the comments, I responded to each one that was pro-Ancient Aliens but not by a commentator that experience had shown to not be convinceable.

  • ohiolibrarian

    Wait. What? Everybody understands TbJ in their own language, but Nicolae who already had the ability to talk to everyone in their own language in Book 1 suddenly can’t?

    And let us not forget that the universal translator bit is proof of holiness when TbJ (a little too close to PBJ if you ask me) and the Witnesses do it, but proof of ultimate e-e-e-vil if Nicky does it.

  • Charby

    Eh, they’d probably mess it up anyway. It’s probably for the best. I do like the implication that their protagonists are so mulish and hardheaded that the Most High, God’s super-elite, have to descend to Earth to personally shake sense into them. Presumably if that didn’t work then Jesus himself would have to chisel the clue into the back of their skulls.

  • The_L1985

    Re: adblock, websites don’t just give you entertaining content out of the goodness of the webmaster’s heart. Every website must make money in some form in order to continue existing. YouTube, and most other video sites, show video ads in order to earn revenue. Each click* (or on some sites, just each ad you sit through) earns about half a cent for the website. Given the huge number of people online, and the fact that most people read multiple pages of any given website at one sitting, those pennies add up quickly, but ONLY if ads aren’t blocked. If nobody sees the ads, the host isn’t making one red cent, and sites like YouTube start having to charge fees. I already pay my ISP every month just to use the Internet in the first place; why the Hel would I want to pay an additional fee for each site I frequent?

    Besides, you spend much less time watching ads on YouTube than you do while sitting in front of a regular TV. Compare 30 minutes of watching TV with 30 minutes spent watching 3 10-minute videos on YouTube. The former involves sitting through, on average, 8 minutes of commercials. If we assume each ad is exactly 30 seconds long, then the YouTube user in our example only has to sit through 90 seconds of advertising–which, in turn, means more time spent watching what you want to watch.

    So I don’t use an adblocker. The only ads I refuse to deal with are those annoying pop-ups, and NoScript does a good job of screening out those horrible ads (along with other nasty bits of code). Any ad that isn’t a pop-up loads for me, and that means that I’m supporting the sites I love by allowing still images and YouTube video ads to display on my computer screen.

    I’d think Mr. Free Market would understand the importance of online advertising, but clearly I was wrong.

    And…why bother responding to that many hundreds of comments on one video? Especially if the commenters are the type who believe that aliens built the pyramids! You can’t cure that kind of stupidity.

    ——————————————
    * Even if you click on an ad, you don’t have to buy anything for the host site to get money. However, most people who click on an ad for an online store do so because they do intend to buy something.

  • http://www.oliviareviews.com/ PepperjackCandy

    I’m 99% certain that the choice of Moses and Elijah was a reference to the Transfiguration, where Jesus started to glow and then had a nice long talk with those two gentlemen while standing on a hilltop.

    The Transfiguration, by the way, is part of why I don’t believe those who say that all souls went to hell/ceased to exist before Jesus’s resurrection. If they had ceased to exist then they couldn’t have turned up for that confab, could they? And if they’d been in hell, they would have been singed and smoking rather than glowy.

  • Alix

    You can’t cure that kind of stupidity.

    No, but it’s kind of hilarious to watch them flail. (I don’t go responding to everyone who makes those arguments myself, but reading takedowns of the alt-archaeology nonsense and the subsequent flailing in comments is a guilty pleasure of mine.)

    And for what it’s worth, I’ve known a fair few people who were convinced by alt-archaeology stuff because they didn’t know enough real archaeology to know who was full of shit. So.

  • http://blog.trenchcoatsoft.com Ross

    It really bothers me that noen of the good ad blockers are blacklist-based rather than whitelist-based. I’m perfectly happy to leave the ads on on 90% of pages, but that last 10% use ads which are obtrusive, offensive, or outright attack my computer, which means that an ad-blocker is pretty much a necessity.

    There’s a site recently that’s added a script that detects ad-blockers and in response, shows you a page shaming you for cutting off their revenue for twice as long as the ad segment. Sure, fine, but I can’t watch your ads on my MythTV. If the deal is “Use a windows PC to view this content”, then you’re still not going to get any ad revenue out of me. (Whereas if you let me see the damned content anyway, there’s a fine chance I will buy your DVD, your logo T-shirt, and toss a hundred bucks at your kickstarter)


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