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“Following the young man’s principled opposition to 50 years of settled law concerning the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution, atheists everywhere were heard to hiss ‘I’m melting!’ as they gave up on their plans to secularize the nation and institute Sharia law. Or they may have just rolled their eyes; reports are mixed.”

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“Even though energy drink makers might brag about awakeamine, dontfallasleepaurite or other ‘special’ proprietary concoctions designed to keep you peppy, energy drinks don’t work any better than ordinary caffeine at helping people pay attention.”

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  • hidden_urchin

    From the Stan Rogers link:

    This is why we study history. This is why we write history. This is why we revel in history, even faux history, being turned into art by the poets and troubadors.

    Knowing history, and knowing the art, we can stand up to demand that money to inspect ships for safety be restored to the federal budget, that money to build safe air transport be revived, that politicians stop blocking the doors to the hospitals and clinics (Rick Perry, Greg Abbott), and that justice be done on a thousand other scores where cynics and highway robbers tell us it cannot be done or it’s too expensive.

    So I’ll add a link of my own to Heather Dale’s “Hero.”

  • “Even though energy drink makers might brag about awakeamine,
    dontfallasleepaurite or other ‘special’ proprietary concoctions designed
    to keep you peppy, energy drinks don’t work any better than ordinary caffeine at helping people pay attention.”

    It really bugs me that people keep trotting this out as if it means something. Like “We proved that shotgunnign a two-ounce watermellon-flavored sweet drink has no more effect than shotgunning a 12 ounce cup of hot coffee to your alertness, therefore energy drinks are worthless, because ‘except that doing the latter would be an incredibly unpleasant experience and might severely burn you'”

    It’s one of those Misleading Truths like “A glass of wine, a mug of beer and a shot of whiskey all have exactly the same amount of alcohol in them, so you won’t get any more less if you have a beer with dinner than if you were to try to sate your thirst with whiskey. Provided you were twelve times less thirsty in the latter case”

  • The first link reminds me of the post I made awhile ago in response to Pope Francis and his message, “Yes, all of us! Yes, even atheists!” and the immediate ‘clarification,’ “No, only the Catholics.”

    Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have
    been doing, and they will do even greater things than these

  • Lori

    That’s not what people are saying about energy drinks. I know people who swear by Red Bull or one of its cousins. They have told me with great conviction that it gives them more energy than coffee or soda. This belief is what leads them to be willing to pay way more for energy drinks instead of simply having coffee or soda. (I don’t know anyone who drinks that stuff because they think it’s just that yummy.) That’s the reason people keep pointing out that energy drinks don’t actually do what they claim. If folks simply prefer energy drinks as their caffeine delivery mechanism that’s their choice, but most people are paying for something they’re not actually getting.

    Also, who the hell drinks whiskey to sate thirst? You drink whiskey because you like it and/or to get drunk. Anyone drinking it to sate thirst is either confused or has a serious alcohol problem.

    And the point of telling people the alcohol equivalents of different drinks is so that people don’t play mental games, like thinking they can chug endless beers and be “fine” because after all it’s just beer, not hard liquor. With some caveats, the issue with getting drunk is how much alcohol you consume, not the form it takes.

  • SisterCoyote

    I’m trying to picture a scenario in which someone could be confused enough to be drinking whiskey to quench their thirst, and it is not a pretty mental picture…

    (Maybe it’s a sign I’ve been up too late, but I can’t stop giggling at it.)

  • SisterCoyote

    I dunno if it’s that energy drinks are worthless – more that they’re a lot more expensive than coffee, which does generally the same thing (and tends to have fewer unpronounceable ingredients). There are times when I’ve preferred an energy drink to a coffee, for whatever reason*, but they’re definitely different beasts.

    I sorta think these articles are more of a reaction to the increasingly annoying commercials for energy drinks that were going around last I checked – “Tired at 3:00? Don’t reach for a cup of coffee! Try our magical amazonian wonder drink! It’s made of all natural corn sy guarana, and lasts longer than coffee!” They also make all kinds of claims about making you “sharper” or “more focused,” and DEFINITELY don’t give you the jitters. Which is usually several kinds of bull.

    Five Hour Energy was the worst. If you ever read the labels, there’s a footnote to tell you that the “no crash” guarantee refers to a sugar crash… meaning that you’ll still have a caffeine crash. Dishonest, tasted awful, and probably way worse for you than anything made with coffee or guarana.

    *power outage, generator at work with dad, unable to find a book of matches to light the stove, unable to wait for cold-brew, and the convenience store was all out, for example

  • Baby_Raptor

    ““It may not be possible for us to create a world in which no innocent children suffer, butit is possible to create a world in which fewer innocent children suffer. If we try to do that, if we look to the Christians and do not find help, where else will we go?””

    …To everyone else? Christians aren’t the only good people, or people interested in ensuring everyone lives comfortably, et cetera.

    I get that this quote was most likely meant more to mean “Come on guys, this is what Jesus taught!” than “Only Christians are interested in social justice,” but still. He’s being more than a bit insulting when he phrases it in a way that implies that there’s not anywhere else to find ‘help.’

  • Jon Maki

    The problem for me is that coffee can never be cheap enough for me to be willing to drink it.

    So saying, “Just drink coffee because it’s cheaper and has the same effect” isn’t a compelling argument. You might as well try to convince me to drink kerosene. Alternatively, you’re more likely to convince me to just give up caffeinated beverages entirely (which I did for years, until I ended up in a job that had me working from 6 AM to 6:30 PM, and I haven’t managed to go back to giving it up in the years since).

    I understand that coffee drinkers have difficulty understanding that there are people who don’t like coffee and are unwilling to perform the mental gymnastics required to convince themselves that they like coffee – “I love coffee” is, I think, a lie that people force themselves to believe – but it’s true. There are people who want caffeine but don’t want to drink coffee.

    For the record, while I do think Red Bull tastes awful, I like Rockstar and Monster. In fact, I like Monster enough that I would probably drink it even if it weren’t for the caffeine – which is really all I’m trying to get out of it; I’ve never believed any of the other claims about alertness or whatever. (So Lori now can say that she does know someone who drinks the stuff because he thinks it’s yummy)

  • themunck

    2 of my classmates quite enjoy the taste of Monster as well.

  • I love coffee. And no, it’s not a lie.

    Mr. ShifterCat dislikes coffee. So no, I don’t have trouble understanding that.

    You know that most teas have caffeine, yes?

  • The_L1985

    “I don’t know anyone who drinks that stuff because they think it’s just that yummy.”

    Ain’t that the truth! I had a Rockstar once. It tasted like bubblegum in drink form–which, as it turned out, is not a pleasant taste for anything but bubblegum and maybe children’s ice cream.

    I’ve never had an energy drink that I liked the taste of, and I refuse to buy them. Both times I’ve had one it was given to me for free by a friend.

    That, and–caffeine is nice at helping you stay alert, but it isn’t energy. Caffeine tricks your body into thinking it isn’t tired–which is why the “crash” is so bad afterward. Calories are actual energy consumed. Anything else is just a pretty illusion, and we should bear that in mind.

  • The_L1985

    I love the smell of coffee, but can’t stand the taste. So I understand people not wanting coffee. But tea is just as cheap, and isn’t as strong-tasting. Black teas also have as much caffeine as coffee (green tea has less), so it’s still a nice pick-me-up.

    And isn’t Monster just Mountain Dew with a wider range of flavors?

  • Jon Maki

    Well, it’s a lie you believe – that’s kind of the point of an acquired taste (and I’m mostly joking when I call it a lie anyway).

    And yes, I do know that most teas have caffeine, and I do like tea (much more than I like coffee, at any rate), but energy drinks are just my preferred caffeine delivery system.

  • Jon Maki

    *Shrugs* I suppose you could put it that way. But I used to like Mountain Dew as well, so it works out.

    What it boils down to is that I like sweet/sour flavors more than I like bitter flavors, I prefer cold drinks to hot drinks, and since I’ve cut way, way down on sugar/carb consumption because of the diabetes, I find that I like sugar-free energy drinks more than I like other sugar-free soft drinks. (And my consumption of energy drinks is pretty moderate anyway. The average coffee drinker probably drinks a lot more coffee than I do energy drinks.)

    Anyway, the point is that I like energy drinks in spite of the deceptive claims, not because of them. So saying “Energy drinks don’t do what their manufacturers claim they do” is irrelevant, because I never believed the claims anyway.

  • Kubricks_Rube

    I love coffee but feel the same way about beer and wine. Not that I’ve never enjoyed them, but I’m always aware that a soda or iced tea would taste so much better.

  • I knew someone who’d had one and managed to literally stay awake the next ten hours through the night. The price you pay for that is the after-drink crash when you HAVE to sleep.

    I’ve always distrusted energy drinks and this only confirms it. That shit is not normal.

  • There’s less, and tea has theophylline in it which has different properties – for example it can relieve headaches, so it’s obviously got some vasodilation properties which caffeine doesn’t have.

  • Lori

    (So Lori now can say that she does know someone who drinks the stuff because he thinks it’s yummy)

    So you’re the one. :)

    Like I said, if they’re your preferred caffeine delivery system and you prefer them enough to pay their premium price then that’s totally fine. I won’t be joining you, but I have no issues with your choices (and I don’t delude myself that it would or should matter if I did).

    The problem is with people who believe the claims in the ads, which are doing the fine print dance right on the edge of being illegal false advertising.

  • Lori

    Pretty much any form of caffeine can help my headaches (because of the vasodilation properties). I get my caffeine from both tea and Coke* and they both work equally well for me.

    *Put me down as another person who loves the smell of coffee, but can’t stand the taste. I never drink it and I don’t like foods that have it in taste-able amounts either.

  • Lori

    In fairness, enough caffeine in any form will do that to you. I know someone who once made double coffee in order to pull an all-niter for an exam. By double coffee I mean brewed a pot of coffee, then brewed another pot using the first pot in place of water. The person had no trouble staying up. They did have to keep jiggling their foot all through the exam in order to be able to keep their hand steady enough to write, but they were awake. About an hour after the exam the crash hit and they were asleep for like 14 hours. Conclusion: never doing that again.

  • AnonaMiss

    While this isn’t exactly the scenario you’re looking for, there is a clear anise liquor called Raki (rock-uh) which I found out too late is supposed to be mixed with water. When you’re gauging the strength of a drink by how other people are handling it, but they’re drinking half-and-half and you’re drinking full liquor, you’re going to have a bad time.

  • Funnily for me, I like coffee quite a bit – in the mornng. If I try to drink it much past 11 AM it seems to taste rather unappetizing.

    I wonder what physiological part of my biorhythm does that.

  • AnonaMiss

    I like the taste of Monster too. It’s an odd sort of sweet-and-savory that you don’t find too often in drinks. The closest comparison I can think of is a mojito, though oddly I don’t like that.

    Of course Monster is best mixed with Jaeger, so that’s neither here nor there…

    (I usually prefer coffee or tea unless it’s quite hot outside though. I dislike iced coffee and iced tea, so energy drinks and soda are my summertime caffeine sources of choice.)

  • Lori

    Further (totally unnecessary) proof that tastes differ—I literally made the yuck face just reading the the word Jaeger.

  • I have a French facsimile copy of the Voynich Manuscript; one of my pride & joys.

  • Alix

    My brother loves Red Bull. I cannot stand the smell of it – just being around an open can makes me queasy. It smells like some sickly sweet combination of cherry candy and nail polish kicked up past 11.

    We’ve had some pretty epic fights about the fact that I don’t permit it in my house – and when I say I don’t permit it, I really mean that. If he insists on drinking Red Bull, he has to finish it and dispose of the can off my property.

  • Alix

    Regular doses of caffeine + something for my brain to focus on will do that to me. (Sometimes even just the latter; during my long bouts of being strictly stimulant-free, I still ended up pulling the accidental all-nighter.) I have a serious problem with staying up for over 24 hours straight because of that. :/

    The jitters, the crashes, and the irascibility are horrible, which is why I try not to pull those stunts, but sometimes they just happen. Dunno why. (Stupid brain.)

  • Alix

    I love the smell of coffee and things like coffee ice cream, but I don’t think I’ve yet found any drinkable version of coffee (and my brother’s fond of buying me various sweetened, creamed, flavored, and iced monstrosities when he’s trying to be nice) that didn’t leave an unpleasant burned/bitter aftertaste in my mouth.

    I have a similar reaction to grape wines, actually. Love the smell, they make fine sauces, never found one that’s not unpleasantly vinegary when drunk in any form. Which is sad, because my grandma gave me her mulled wine recipe. :/

  • Alix

    Oh, interesting. I have the inverse problem with food – I almost always either skip a solid breakfast or have a late one ’cause anything more solid than yogurt I’m just plain averse to for several hours after waking.

    More along the drink line – I can only stand drinking pure water when I’m really seriously thirsty; any other time, I find the taste off-putting.

  • The_L1985

    All I could think was how horribly bad for you it has to be to drink up that much alcohol AND that much caffeine in one sitting.

  • Lori

    Mixing alcohol and Red Bull is A Thing. As my ex says, the goal is to be wide awake drunk.

    Most people I know of do it with vodka, which is bad enough. I can’t imagine the tastes of Red Bull and Jaeger combined and for that I thank my limited imagination. For me that’s two nasty tastes that must taste unspeakably vile together.

  • “Redeemed” and “saved” are distinct and different concepts in Catholic theology.
    Also, a downvote less than a second after I posted my comment-Wow.

  • That said, to do it to yourself with coffee you have to try REALLY hard. An energy drink is like that in one Coke can.

    *peers at energy drinks even more suspiciously now*

  • I did know someone who could get the coffee jitters just from one cup, but in general that reaction seems pretty rare.

  • In particular coffee with breakfast is wonderful. I think it must be the particular combination of flavors from eggs and toast and coffee that does it. :)

  • Also, I know people who get horrible coffee headaches. Tea doesn’t affect them the same way.

  • ATBenning

    “I don’t know anyone who drinks that stuff because they think it’s just that yummy.”

    You do now. I cannot stand the taste of coffee and energy drinks provide more caffiene per oz than sodas, and some of them taste pretty good IMO.

  • ATBenning

    Eh. Most energy drinks have about the same amnt of caffeine as a tall coffee, the big ones are like a venti.

  • ATBenning

    Also re: premium price, it’s only really premium if you brew the coffee yourself. If you’re a person who goes to starbucks every day, you’re not saving any money.

  • renniejoy

    I once saw someone buy sugar-free, caffeine-free Mountain Dew – tastes are definitely YMMV.

  • And the point of telling people the alcohol equivalents of different drinks is so that people don’t play mental games, like thinking they can chug endless beers and be “fine” because after all it’s just beer, not hard liquor.

    Except that as far as I know, no one does that outside of PSAs about the dangers of drinking.

  • Jackson finished law school, passed the bar, and then entered the
    ministry. Within a few years, he had left the Democratic party,
    partially under the influence of Ayn Rand’s writings.

    -What the fuck was a minister doing reading “Ayn Rand’s writings”?

  • There are people who like mountain dew? I thought everyone just drank it for the street cred.

    Seriously, the stuff looks like piss and tastes like… Well, actually piss, but of someone with uncontrolled diabetes on the verge of DKA.

  • Black tea has almost exactly half the caffeine of coffee.

  • I like coffee. But it takes me an hour to drink a cup of coffee, and about three seconds to drink one of those shot-size energy drinks, and they cost almost exactly the same as an espresso.

  • I read it as a statement of exasperation, because it shouldn’t be possible not to find it among Christians, although, sadly, certain denominations seem intent on making sure that no one ever finds it among Christians.

  • Alix

    Hee. I like Mountain Dew. Don’t drink it much – Dr. Pepper is my first love, with homemade chai or homemade hot cocoa tying for second in the stimulant-of-choice category. But every so often (usually when I have to try keeping up with my sis for an afternoon) I pop down to the drug store and buy a bottle.

  • Tall coffees do not keep someone awake for an entire night. The same person who related me this story is someone for who a coffee of that volume would only have had a mild effect.

  • Alix

    I didn’t realize there were things people were banned from reading based off of their profession.

    I read an awful lot of stuff I disagree with – for fun and because I like to know what other people are thinking – and even a lot of stuff antithetical to my deeply-held views. I don’t see what the problem is with a minister reading Ayn Rand.

    I see a problem with anyone following her teachings, but that’s a different kettle of fish entirely.

  • Alix

    Depends a lot on personal tolerances and the like, I think. I know quite a few people who either rarely drink coffee, are small in stature, or have just a really low tolerance for caffeine for whom a tall coffee is more than sufficient to trigger an all-nighter.

    Also, energy drinks vary wildly in the amount of caffeine/stimulant in them, and also in how various people tolerate/metabolize them, so there’s not a perfect comparison, I suspect. And there are other factors people don’t take into account – how much is a person eating? Eating supper at the wrong time is more likely to keep me up for a whole night than drinking anything caffeinated. Do they have something to focus on? I’m not the only person I know who can stay up all night without even realizing it because I was concentrating on something. That sort of thing.

    Shorter me: humans are weird, yo.