7 things @ 11 o’clock (8.28)

1. Ana Yelsi Sanchez has been hosting a terrific series at her Brown-Eyed Amazon blog called “Out of the Closet and Into the Pews.” The whole series, featuring a collection of thoughtful guest posts, and the rest of Sanchez’s blog are worth a look.

2. It’s not surprising that Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is now lying about his opposition to legal contraception. But it is encouraging that the Republican candidate for governor realizes that he needs to lie about this — that his aim to criminalize birth control is a vote-losing obstacle to his chances in November.

3. I didn’t write about Miley Cyrus yesterday because I didn’t watch the VMAs, because hitting someone while they’re down is unseemly, and because 90 percent of what I saw written about her performance reminded me of the Anti-Kitten-Burning Coalition. And I didn’t initially write anything in response to the latest delusional rantings of the Rev. Pat Robertson, because kooky, vile Pat saying something vicious and delusional isn’t exactly remarkable anymore. But this time it probably was newsworthy, since Robertson’s latest claim is, even for him, especially dishonest and especially cruel. Pat Robertson told an extravagant, deliberate lie — saying that HIV+ gay men used to go around with special rings that would cut people’s hands and thereby deliberately spread the disease. Later, forced to backtrack a bit by the audacity of his lie, Robertson qualified his earlier claim by explaining that it wasn’t most HIV+ people doing this — just an elite squad of gay ninjas who were trying to assassinate him personally. OK, then.

4. RIP Russell Doughten. Doughten produced the “Bible prophecy” movie A Thief in the Night — a literal cult classic which features some genuine chills along with its low-budget camp and earnest attempts at evangelism. Doughten’s dubious attempt to scare audiences into Heaven may have been misguided, but it was motivated by his sincere desire to rescue those he was convinced were bound for Hell. That makes his movies far less offensive than Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series, where the message for those LaHaye sees as Hell-bound sinners is “I’m right, you’re wrong — neener neener.” Doughten was also an Iowan committed to making movies in Iowa, which was quixotic, but kind of charming. His one foray outside of such local film-making was local for me — he was a producer and assistant director on The Blob, filmed right here in Chester County.

5. On a related note, here’s the latest cast updates for the upcoming Left Behind movie reboot: Ashley Tisdale is out as Chloe Steele, replaced by Cassi Thompson of Big Love; Olympian Lolo Jones has a cameo as an airport gate attendant; American Idol winner Jordin Sparks and Quinton Aaron (Michael Oher in The Blind Side) will be playing passengers on the plane. The movie seems to focus mostly on the plane and the immediate aftermath of the Rapture, adding lots of passenger characters who weren’t in the book. I’m hoping for cameos from Julie Hagerty and Robert Hays.

6. Christian Piatt has posted a list of “25 Christian Blogs You Should Be Reading,” voted by his readers. It’s a pretty good list. If that’s not enough to keep your RSS reader full of interesting stuff, try this list of the “1,560 Best Blogs by Christian Women.”

7. Harold Pollack:

For 45 years, 300,000 American GIs provided a thin green line protecting Western European democracies from the Soviet Union. Our troops weren’t there to preserve low capital gains tax rates, or to hold back the menace of subsidized day care, universal health care, or school lunch programs. They were there to defend the structures of constitutional democracy, the rule of law, respect for individual rights, freedom of speech and assembly, protections against racial and ethnic discrimination, respect for religious and cultural pluralism.

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  • Jon Maki

    So it’s kind of become traditional on this day for me to mention this, and the usual disclaimer that I’m not doing it because I’m looking for praise or validation or anything applies, but…today my sobriety officially becomes a teenager.

    I’d say that I’m preparing for it to start rebelling, telling me that it hates me and that it wishes it had never been born, but it already does that anyway.

    So…yeah. Thirteen years.

    If I’m not looking for praise (and I’m really not), then why mention it? Well, it’s my hope that in some fashion mentioning it is helpful to anyone who’s struggling with…well, anything, really, not just addiction. (And also not just for the people who are struggling themselves but also to the people who love someone who’s struggling.)

    So if you are struggling, and you can get some small glimmer of hope or determination or whatever you need from knowing that I’ve hit this particular milestone, then it’s worth my mentioning it.

    And now I’ll go back to my usual pattern of mostly lurking and occasionally dropping a – usually off-topic – comment.

    We now return you to your regularly-scheduled Slacktivist comments, already in progress.

  • Jim Roberts

    I offer you an Internet fistbump. i used to work with the homeless in Toronto and I’ve very strong men cut down at the knees by substance abuse. Good on you for staying strong.

  • Jenny Islander

    Speaking as collateral damage of two untreated cases, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have made the world a better place for other people as well as for yourself.

  • John

    Congratulations! And keeping coming back. Here and there.

  • http://deird1.dreamwidth.org Deird

    Looking for praise or not, it still deserves some praise.

    WELL DONE. *applauds*

  • Amaryllis


    I am struggling– not with addiction, but life is very fearsome right now. It’s good to hear of someone else’s success. So thanks.

  • Ben English

    Congrats to you. I’ve never been in those shoes myself, but my brother was addicted to prescription painkillers, and I could see the pain and conflict he went through both on them and while he was coming off. Here’s, I hope, to thirteen more years. :)

  • Baby_Raptor

    You may not be looking for praise, but you deserve some. That is quite the accomplishment, sir.

  • The_L1985

    As someone with a non-substance-related addiction (I am apparently addicted to making my parents feel happy, even though they’re not at all returning the favor), I feel your pain.

  • themunck

    3. Speaking as bisexual person with a squad of ninja assassins….Pat? There’s far simpler ways to kill someone. We have stuff to do too, youknow…

    6. Can someone explain to me why Fred isn’t on that list?

  • themunck

    Oh, and people ignore the part about my assassins. *Draws neuralizer* Move along.

  • Panda Rosa

    But Gay Ninja Assassins are Just So Cool. Can’t you guys just mess with his head a little? It would be sooooooooo worth it.

  • Daniel

    Assassins messing with his head? You mean sanity assassins?

  • redsixwing

    Gay Ninja Sanity Assassins is an excellent name for a cover band.

  • Daniel

    Their secret ninja hideout would be the best decorated ever.

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    If you could ever find it, you’d wonder how you never noticed it before.

  • Daniel

    I’m hoping it’s in a volcano a la “You Only Live Twice”. And is therefore a King Volcano fit for some queens.
    I’m going to ask- would any one be willing to help me assemble a crack team of gay ninja goths so I can takeover the world? WE. WE can take over the world. We can give them deadly rings, like evil Captain Planet.

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    Sure, why not, as long as we don’t stay out too late — I’ve got a big day this weekend. Here are my credentials.

  • Daniel

    That’ll do nicely. I need to get some money together for a volcano hideout though, so I was thinking maybe a jumble sale? Obviously there’d also be kick ass ninja training too, like the five point exploding heart technique and so on, but also baked goods.
    You in?

    *edit- I forgot to add: that picture will be used on your staff ID unless I’m informed otherwise.*

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    I can, er, toast a mean marshmallow! Is that close enough to baking goods?

  • Daniel

    Marshmallows qualify as confections, so I think that’s a pass. I’ll obviously keep a little fire going in the bowl of the volcano, both to distract any Sean Conneries in the area and also to allow some marshmallow toasting under the stars. I don’t want my gay Bauhaus ninjas to think it’s all about work all the time.

  • Daniel

    Their playlist includes songs by Japan, Madness, Queen, the Killers and Pink Fairies.

  • Ivkra

    For real though, what could possibly be cooler than a squad of elite gay ninjas?

  • http://plantsarethestrangestpeople.blogspot.com/ mr_subjunctive

    Not to mention that if one were going to try to assassinate a public figure with an infectious disease, one would probably choose a disease without a (potential) ten-year latent period.

    I don’t necessarily expect Pat Robertson’s lunatic ravings to be completely watertight or anything, but they should be able to stand up to 30 seconds of idle speculation. It’s like he’s not even trying anymore. :^(

  • MaryKaye

    Also, OSHA estimates that the chance of being infected due to a needle stick with HIV-infected blood is between 0.3 and 0.45 percent. Pathetically ineffective gay ninja assassins, sigh!

  • stardreamer42

    Well, he is kind of getting up there. Maybe the little grey cells don’t work as well as they used to any more.

  • AnonaMiss
  • Oswald Carnes

    Or, as James Coco put it, “I’m a Frenchy! Not a Belgy!”

  • EdinburghEye

    A cynical person – not me obviously – would think that Pat Robertson was well aware his sexual and drug-related activities meant he was hi-risk for HIV, but he needed a cover story when this was eventually discovered.


    What? Oh, no, I don’t know ANYTHING about Pat’s private life. It’s just that so many right-wing Christians who are passionately homophobic seem to be meth-addicted closet gay men. And secret ninja gay assassins may even be Pat’s fave sexual fantasy!

  • Anonymouse

    Quick, someone get this man a link to a Naruto kinkmeme.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I was just floored when AnonSam told me about the latest from Pat (I mentioned it yesterday). I just couldn’t believe it at first and thought it was something from like 1988.

  • Nicolae Carpathia

    3. Ah, but that wouldn’t give him a public excuse for him having HIV. We wouldn’t want to embarrass the man, after all.

  • Baby_Raptor

    The ones you can’t talk to because they’re all Japanese, and you once accidentally ordered them to kill every icecream vendor in the world?

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    At least that one was easy to clean up. No one’s spotted the replacements… and lived to talk about it.

  • Oswald Carnes

    Given the number of men who must’ve applied makeup to Pat’s face over the years, I think if we wanted him dead he’d be dead.

  • aunursa

    I’m hoping for cameos from Julie Hagerty and Robert Hays.

    Elaine: It’s the Rapture foretold in the Bible! We’ve all been left behind!
    Ted: My God, you can’t be serious!
    Elaine: I am serious! And I’m not your God. He’s the one responsible for all this mayhem.

  • arghous

    Girl Passenger: Uh, I don’t know how to say this, but I’ve… never been with a man before.
    Ted Striker: Heh. I remember that time just after boot camp where…
    GP: No, I mean, uh… Would you like to have a cookie?
    TS: Oh. O.K.
    (Takes cookie; jams it into his cheek, getting crumbs everywhere.)
    TS: Sorry, I didn’t always have this eating disorder. It was after my raid on Mucho Carpathia that …
    (some time later)
    TS: …and before you ask, no, I’ve never gotten over Mucho Carpathia!
    (looks over; girl’s face is melting a la Raiders of the Lost Ark)

  • Susan Paxton

    Girl Passenger: “Uh, I don’t know how to say this, but I’ve…never been with a man before.”
    Buck: “Me neither! Or a woman, for that matter!”

  • Vaughn Lowe

    Buck: Captain Steele, when will you be able to land this plane?
    Ray: I can’t tell.
    Buck: You can tell me, I’m the GIRAT.
    Ray: No, I mean I can’t tell right now.
    Buck: Can you take a guess?
    Ray: Well… not for at least thirty minutes.
    Buck: You can’t take a guess for thirty minutes?

    (lord, I would pay real money to see this.)

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    “The movie seems to focus mostly on the plane and the immediate aftermath
    of the Rapture, adding lots of passenger characters who weren’t in the

    Great, now it’s going to be The Langoliers.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    They’ll travel through a rip in time and undo the Rapture!

  • Bruce Gottesman

    On my IPhone every time I read these 7 things posts I get an ad for a group called “End Bible Poverty”. Is there any way to make it stop? I clicked the ad once by accident, and they are exactly as offensive as you think they are. I mean, really, “Bible poverty”? If you cared half as much as curing actual poverty, maybe you might actually do some good in the world…

  • Jenny Islander

    Is that the site that argues that charitable giving should never be enough to let a recipient build up a surplus of food, money, etc., because “obviously” the gleaners in the fields of Israel only ever found enough to eat for that day?

  • Cathy W

    It appears to be a site raising funds to translate the Bible into the languages of the “209 million people who live in darkness without access to God’s word”. Which they apparently need more than food, water, and medical care.
    What you’re describing is pretty terrible, too – is it really a thing?

  • Jenny Islander

    Yes, but I only found the site down a long rabbit trail from somebody’s blog. I can’t even remember how to find it; I just remember that for some reason they thought multicolored text would make their point clear.

  • Baby_Raptor

    The idea that someone who lacks a bible is in poverty because of that fact is *highly* offensive.

  • ReverendRef

    I’m hoping for cameos from Julie Hagerty and Robert Hays.

    And since Barbara Billingsley passed away, can we get Florence Henderson to talk to Capt. Steele about Hattie’s perfect breasts? (Or at least that’s how I remember that scene with her and Striker).

  • http://www.angelsparrow.com valarltd

    Noty just gay ninja assassins. Gay ninja assassins with gom jabbars! Don’t worry, Pat, you only die if you’re not human…

  • Oswald Carnes

    As an aside, gom jabbar always sounds to me like a particularly good Wonka candy.

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    You forgot to mention the part where Pat Robertson said gay men also passed anti-free speech laws preventing people from talking about how they contracted AIDS from these sneak attacks. See, it’s a vast gay conspiracy…

  • http://jesustheram.blogspot.com/ Mr. Heartland

    There’s no need to keep an entire squad of gay ninjas on the payroll when there’s one all-American gay Nietzschean superman.
    (Black, gay, urban, and feral. If Omar Little were Muslim you’d never convince me that he wasn’t stolen from some Right-Wingers nightmare.)

  • Daniel


  • Golgaronok

    “Omar” doesn’t exactly sound like a Real True Christian American name, now does it?

  • http://jesustheram.blogspot.com/ Mr. Heartland

    #7: Sometimes I’ll go to the basement of my university library and read through ancient copies of National Review, Birtcherite literature, etc. Needless to say it’s bullshit that liberals ‘didn’t want to win’ the Cold War or wanted to ‘appease’ the Soviets etc. But it is fascinating to read conservative opposition to the Keenan document, containment and negotiation with the enemy etc. The insistence here that communism must be viewed as uniquely evil even by the standards of tyranny, (with no small amount of let’s start the bombing and get the inevitable over with) that it must be seen as having a dark nefarious mystique alien to known human nature or will-to-power, that it certainly bears no similarities at all to ‘our’ own universal absolutism. And last but not least that any calls for egalitarianism must be assumed to be Trojan horses for communism. It’s nothing new.

  • http://mordicai.livejournal.com Mordicai

    I’m curious how the praise of that thin green line defending religious & ethnic pluralism in Europe is laudable, but American intervention in Syria isn’t. Which is to say, I’m not actually unilaterally in favor of Syrian intervention, & I’m certainly not in favor of bombing them– you can’t save a country by bombing it– but it would seem to me that both are part of the same cloth, & since they both were on the same blog on the same day, I found the juxtaposition interesting. This isn’t a veiled attack, I’m just curious at what people see as the difference between the two.

  • Kenneth Raymond

    Pretty much because the US was invited in as part of World War II, and then offered billions in aid across Europe immediately afterward. Actual reconstruction efforts were set to pretty rapidly, and there were very real political concerns in Europe about Soviet overt expansionism to boot – basically trading one set of tyrants (the Axis) for another (Stalin’s USSR). Look at the fate of Poland, for example. Or East Germany. The US presence may have had strings attached, but at the worst it was still the lesser of two evils. It helped nations retain relative autonomy that might not have been stable enough if left to their own devices. Historically speaking, the US military presence in post-War Europe was actually surprisingly hospitable.

    (I’m not saying US behavior was perfect during the Cold War, especially further afield from Europe, but still. “I am large, I contain multitudes” can get rather literal.)

    I’m not sure I trust the current US government with such an intervention. I certainly didn’t under Bush, and I really have little reason to believe the institutional attitudes that helped enable such cock-ups as we’ve seen in Iraq and Afghanistan have been… particularly remedied under Obama. Especially certain very, shall we say, proprietary attitudes toward any place we intervene in recently. You know, the kind that result in basically selling off a nation’s infrastructure to the highest bidder.

    Basically it’s a difference of approach. If all you’ve got is a hammer, well… you can still tap gently and apply a measured amount of force, or swing wildly like a child who just realized that breaking things is fun. All things considered, I think we have a lot longer to go before we’re over the latest bout of the latter.

  • http://mordicai.livejournal.com Mordicai

    Well, then let me ask this: if the US could intervene in a more hospitable fashion, with boots on the ground & not just bombs in the air, if it was possible, would this be a good case of intervention? I think that is sort of the way I lean– I don’t want to start a war just so military contractors can make money, & I don’t want to pretend that blowing up a country can help save it, but…well, I mean, the government is gassing civilians to death, right? I’m just thinking about it out loud here because I too am dubious that our foreign policy can actually be helpful, but that maybe makes me think that we need to focus on changing our military policies. We ain’t fighting a Total War any more, nor a Cold War, yeah?

  • Kenneth Raymond

    Honestly? I really don’t know. I can make up scenarios that might sound good in a work of fiction thanks to suspension of disbelief, but as soon as you run into the mess of reality and politics, everything falls apart.

    Economic sanctions? That doesn’t really do much to people in power, as they tend to make sure they’re well-fed and let everyone else go hang. Bombing and strikes? The last thing we and they need is for us to turn another country into an arcade shooting gallery, especially since this is one with friendly fire ON.

    I guess if I had my fictional scenario going, I’d go with a “rescue and relief” organization under the UN’s aegis that had funding, people, and channels in place to respond quickly to a call of “come and save us from our own government!” Not necessarily to go in shooting, but to crash the party and make sure it’s clear the eye of the world is on the situation while they also bring supplies and medical care to refugees and otherwise generally interrupt crap like this. Multinational and accountable but with the leeway to go into a situation and take action to guard themselves and others when their mere presence isn’t enough of a deterrence.

    And when that’s ready and effective I’d also like a unicorn with an infinitely fractal horn who can gouge bleeding wounds in reality. I’d name him Dewdrop.

  • http://mordicai.livejournal.com Mordicai

    Sure, but I mean, I think we have to think about these things. It doesn’t have to be a unicorn. We’ve been told it is a unicorn, but I don’t believe it. An effective military policy is a white horse; don’t let people slap a horn on it & say it is impossible.

  • Kenneth Raymond

    This is really the kind of situation where my general despair about humanity gets an override because it’s already established this kind of crap keeps happening (or worse) and the international community always finds a way to squirm out of doing anything, if they even acknowledge it at all. I just don’t think there’s the political will on anyone’s part to do it.

    Just to use my example of a UN rescue-and-relief organization. I think if it got proposed, it’d get at least one outright veto from a permanent member of the Security Council. (Note that a little more than a year ago, Russia and China already vetoed a resolution to sanction the Syrian government under Chapter Seven of the UN Charter, Russia because it claimed it would lead to external military involvement.)

    If it did somehow get passed, then it would have to be funded, and men and materiel would have to be provided by various member nations – though it’s not like major member nations have refused to pay their dues for extended periods before, just to influence UN decision-making practices and to get resolutions repealed, so I guess… oh wait. Right. Never mind.

    And then accountability. Accountability is good. Accountability is necessary. Accountability is also an avenue through with the organization could be excoriated for actually pursuing their mandate, through malicious audits and constant questioning whether their involvement was “really” necessary. The phrase “genocide-like acts” was used for exactly this kind of excuse-making to prevent getting involved, and would probably be used to hamstring and punish the organization for any actions a Security Council member didn’t like.

    But pulling back and speaking more generally, I think there’s a certain attitude that “the reward for a job well done is another job.” As in, anyone signing up to perform an effective intervention in Syria is going to be expected to do the same the next time something like this comes up, and the next time, and… and you know, commitments like that are expensive. And what’s the reward? What have you done for us lately? Then fail to keep up with that commitment and you get all kinds of crap from everyone else over abandoning it… So hey, why bother? If everyone just stands back and shrugs their shoulders, then nobody’s really to blame for not getting involved because anyone else who would criticize is at least equally guilty of that much.

    It’s basically an international case of the bystander effect.

  • http://mordicai.livejournal.com Mordicai

    Oh, I don’t have unending despair for humanity. They went from smashing rocks together to putting a guy on the moon. They stumble & fall down a lot, & it is usually two steps forward, one step back, but that is still one step forward.

  • Abby Normal

    You look at at major US city with a large homosexual population. Des Moines, Iowa. Perfect example. Can’t grow nothing there. The government says it’s due to poor farming. But I know!

    It’s the queers!
    They’re in it with the aliens!
    They’re building landing strips for gay Martians!
    I swear to God!

  • AnaYelsi

    What an unexpected surprise. Thank you for the shout-out and for highlighting the “Out of the Closet and Into the Pews” series. I have been so honored to provide a platform to my LGBT brothers and sisters this summer. I’m glad more people will benefit from their stories.

    Thanks again!

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam
  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I don’t even get where he’s coming from. It sounds like Lonegan’s just making stuff up now.

  • Vermic

    Pat Robertson also knows a guy who has a neighbor whose coworker’s niece went to the cinema, and when she sat down there was this stabbing pain, and when she looked down at the seat there was a hypodermic needle hidden in the cushion, and there was a note attached that said “Welcome to the world of AIDS.” Pat hasn’t gone to the movies, checked a coin-return slot, or jumped in a McDonald’s ball pit since.

  • banancat

    I’m sure he also never licked a postage stamp ever since his friend’s dad’s former band mate found one that was tainted with LSD and became hopelessly addicted.

  • Panda Rosa

    Oh, that story is SO true! I know it is, because I knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy,who knew this guy, who knew this guy’s cousin… (suddenly runs off, pursued by a sea-bear).

  • banancat

    I’ve been trying articulate my thoughts on this and I’m having trouble coming up with something cohesive, but basically I am bothered that there is so much vitriol for Miley Cyrus for acting sexy while still being viewed as a child, but I’ve heard next to nothing criticizing Robin Thicke for objectifying a woman, especially one as young as her who, again, is still viewed as a child by the public.

    I’m also trying to evaluate my own initial reaction that Lady Gaga’s outfit was awesome while Miley’s was just wrong. I guess there is some element that Miley is doing it to please others while Gaga is doing it for herself, but I don’t know if that’s just a rationalization.

  • Baby_Raptor

    The fact that she’s still viewed as a child is a whole nother problem in and of itself. The woman’s 20. She can’t legally drink, but she’s 2 years into adulthood. She can vote, smoke, sign contracts and enlist in the military. To continue to see her as a child is infantilizing.

  • Oswald Carnes

    I think it’s just as likely that Miley did it to please herself as a kind of “Fuck you, Mickey” or “Fuck you, dad” as it is that she did it to please others. Unless there’s evidence to the contrary, of course.

  • Carstonio

    http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-child-stars-go-crazy-an-insiders-perspective/ (Ignore the mental illness shaming in the headline)

    Some thoughts about the child celebrity fishbowl from someone who’s been there. This was published in May, so the reference to the former Hannah Montana is prescient.

    When Miley Cyrus went through a series of scandals in 2010, one involving the scarier-than-pot-but-somehow-more-legal salvia, Billy Ray Cyrus went on record saying that he had very little control over his daughter anymore. Her Disney entourage had long since taken over. Even if he wasn’t telling the complete truth about his role in his daughter’s scandals, it was clear that he, the parent, was not in control…

    Having to live up to your fan base is a little like having to deal with a million strict parents who don’t actually love you. They reward you for your cuteness and cleverness, but are quick to judge and punish. And they do not want you ever to grow up. How do you react? The way any sullen teenager does: You get resentful, and as soon as you have the freedom, you act out…

    But when they get older, they have more freedom. They also have money and little to no experience making decisions for themselves, so their rebellions are going to be on a much larger scale. The whole world will see it.

    And if there’s one thing the whole world loves, it’s a public breakdown.

  • general_apathy

    I’ve heard criticism of Robin Thicke over this. Frankly… it doesn’t sit well with me. It seems to rest on the assumptions that Miley is a) not an adult, b) doesn’t own her sexuality, and c) is not responsible for her own performances. As Baby_Raptor said, it’s infantilizing.

  • banancat

    I have been objecting to Robin Thicke objectifying women and rationalizing rape for long before this happened. And I still don’t condone him objectifying Miley Cyrus for the same reasons I don’t like him objectifying all the other women he objectifies. But the criticism here is for Robin doing it, not for Miley “allowing” it to be done to her. Robin Thicke is a horrible human being I can’t wait until that song stops popping up on my radio.

  • Lori

    I’m not sure I buy the idea that Lady Gaga does her schtick to please herself. I think she does it for attention, which isn’t the same thing.

    The reason Miley makes me more uncomfortable is that she seems to be trying on other people for size*. That’s pretty normal for a person her age but rather painful to watch acted out, as they say around here, in front of god & everyone.

    *During the performance in question her outfit was imitation Gaga and her hair was Tragic Kingdom era Gwen Stefani. Most of her other outfits these days make her look to me like she wants to be Pink, but has no idea what actually makes Pink, Pink. She also occasionally looks like imitation Rihanna, which is not really a good idea for anyone.

  • banancat

    I think that’s actually a really good evaluation of it. I never meant to imply that Gaga isn’t doing it for attention. She clearly is and there’s nothing wrong with that because we all want attention to some extent. But you’re right that Miley seems to be going through the phase that most of us go through during young adulthood and she is likely still trying to decide who she wants to be. That is definitely more difficult when you’re in the public eye.

  • Lori

    She clearly is and there’s nothing wrong with that because we all want attention to some extent.

    There’s wanting attention, and there’s wanting attention. Everyone who makes fame their goal wants it more than the norm. Someone who goes outside wearing, for example, a lace bra, no shirt and a pair of pants that look they were made out of Hefty bags would seem to want it even more than most celebrities. I don’t know if there’s anything wrong with that. I do know I’m getting really bored with it, but that’s just me.

  • banancat

    Edit: I thought Disqus ate my previous post. Nothing to see here.

  • Matri

    Re #3:

  • Matri
  • Matri

    *sighs* My bad. Can someone please clean these up for me?


  • EdinburghEye

    They were there to defend the structures of constitutional democracy,
    the rule of law, respect for individual rights, freedom of speech and
    assembly, protections against racial and ethnic discrimination, respect
    for religious and cultural pluralism.


  • christopher_y

    protections against racial and ethnic discrimination.

    Ask Nat Bookbinder*. I can’t find a link to the story that isn’t behind a paywall, but he was a British bandleader who ran a nightclub in Cheshire during WWII, and welcomed a racially mixed clientele. The American authorities were so affronted by his refusal to stop African American GIs dancing with white women that they actually leaned on the British government until they put him out of business.

    Cultural pluralism my arse.

    *His daughter may be known to older Slacktivites under her stage name of Elkie Brooks.

  • Sgt. Pepper’s Bleeding Heart

    Just going to leave this link here to demonstrate that ours is the best democracy in the world. We have peace, greater enfranchisement than most of the world, election day sausage sizzles, and people with the wit and spirit to make an election sausage sizzle map.


  • Carstonio

    True justice for Pat Robertson would be a gay person coming to his rescue in some way, Pat realizing that everything he’s believed about gays for decades has been wrong, and then the horror of knowing that he’s wasted his life causing misery for others.

  • Cathy W

    A parable. Pat had a flat tire in a bad neighborhood. The pastor didn’t stop to help – “It’s not safe here!” The cop didn’t stop to help – “If I get out of my car on this block, someone’s gonna take a potshot at me!” The drag queen bought Pat a coffee, jacked up the car, and had Pat on his way in 15 minutes. Who is Pat going to preach against on Sunday?

  • Daniel

    Yes yes, we can all make snide references to how this supposedly Christian man regularly violates the apparent rules of the faith he claims to believe, but you are conveniently ignoring the motive of the drag queen. Obviously he was doing it to seduce Pat, who can press 4 000 000lbs with his eyelashes and is a silver fox for the gay community. Or he was doing it not out of true generosity but to make a cynical point.

    I admit assuming the drag queen is gay. If not Pat’s still right to preach against him because a straight man in women’s clothes is entirely too confusing. Think of the children, please.

  • Cathy W

    In retrospect, I think the pastor’s objection should have been “He’s not from my congregation!”

  • Carstonio

    “trained security officers warned me” – Nice way of transferring the blame for false witness, Pat.