7 things @ 9 o’clock (9.25)

1. Here is C.S. Lewis’ recipe for cinnamon bourbon rice pudding. The recipe doesn’t include a suggested substitute to the bourbon for teetotaling American Christians because Lewis thought teetotaling American Christians were an annoying bunch of Telmarines. “One of the marks of a certain type of bad man,” Lewis wrote in Mere Christianity, “is that he cannot give up a thing himself without wanting everyone else to give it up.”

2. Right Wing Watch reports: “The totally-not-delusional Larry Klayman has finally set a date for his proposed uprising to remove President Obama from office: November 19.” You should read the whole post for a sense of just how full-gonzo bonkers Klayman is. Suggested soundtrack as you read: “Klayman’s Theme.” (Terry Taylor’s “Neverhood” music vastly improves reading any right-wing screeds. “Dum Da Dum Doi Doi” works well with Glenn Beck, while “Homina Homina” is a fine accompaniment for Sen. Ted Cruz.)

3. Corey Robin on going down the rabbit hole of a WAS, or a Wrongly Attributed Statement (or a Who Actually Said). This is a lot easier in the age of Google, but it still lures me into the occasional fruitless hour or two every little bit.

4. Bono’s Bill Clinton impression ain’t bad. He’s got the sound of it down, but he needs to add the knuckle-point, the lip-bite and the sly, semi-guilty smile-while-looking-off-to-the-side.

5. New to me: Phantom’s List. “Links to writing by women around the Web,” is the tagline. “Because you don’t have to read The Man … if you don’t wanna.” The list is posted weekly by the Phantom Scribbler, who has eclectic sensibilities and a wide-ranging curiosity and generosity — just the sort of person you want curating such a list. Update your Google Reader RSS feed.

6. Proof that marriage equality really is a threat to religious freedom — it just got this pastor fired!

To a rational person, “religious liberty” would mean that a pastor was free to marry or not to marry any given couple based on that pastor’s religious convictions. This is also what “religious liberty” would mean to someone who speaks standard English. But according to our new redefinition of “religious liberty” it means, instead, the freedom to ban others from religious beliefs that the privileged disagree with.

That reminds me of something C.S. Lewis said in Mere Christianity, “One of the marks of a certain type of bad man …”

7. Carol Howard Merritt doesn’t like the term “mainline” Protestant: “I, for one, am tired of pretending that we want to hang out at the Country Club and eat cucumber sandwiches in fancy hats. We are not some sort of upper-crust elite society.” Good point, but I’ll reserve the term “mainline” for this song:

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  • Cathy W

    If Klayman encourages his followers to spin, weave, and sew their own garments, maybe they’ll be busy enough to stay out of trouble…

  • Cathy W

    They did imply that the continued existence of Coulson is known only to those at a fairly high security clearance. I guess it depends on how good their information security actually is.

  • http://anonsam.wordpress.com/ AnonymousSam

    2: Ugh, saw a handful of these people last weekend. The best one had a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache.

    6: The pope just excommunicated a priest for his pro-gay and women’s ordination activism, too…

  • Randall

    I would pay to see “the Adventures of Hacker Girl and Macho Man” made into a movie.

  • Lori

    Do you mean a movie with that title or a movie focused on Skye and Ward? If you mean the former I’m totally with you. For the latter, at most I’d wait for cable.

  • Winter

    They’d never go for it since that’s women’s work (well, sewing probably is to them, don’t know if they think about the other two at all). I personally think sewing is useful enough that everyone should learn it if able.

    Maybe it’s just the shape of the “y” in this font, but I keep wanting to read that name as Klansman.

  • Jon Maki

    Yeah, I get that, but it doesn’t keep it from being annoying.
    I would have liked to have seen some of the really minor, background characters like, say, Gail Runciter, have an opportunity to make the leap off the page. (Especially since I haven’t seen her in the comics in decades. She may be dead, actually.)

    On a peripherally-related note, as I type this I’m waiting for a call from Staples to let me know that they’ve finished printing my first-ever comic book!

    It’s not for sale – it’s a birthday gift for someone – but it’s still kind of a big deal for me. Prior to this I’d never managed to complete even a single page of pencil art, let alone EIGHT inked, colored, and lettered pages.

    It’s not exactly “Watchmen” or even “Archie Meets The Punisher” (that really happened), but overall I’m really pleased with how it turned out.

    So…yay, me!

    I put it together in a rush (and in many places it shows), and spent most of my time winging it, as I ran into some keyboard issues that prevented me from writing the script up-front, but I finished it with time to spare (her birthday is next week).

    (I went with Staples for the printing, because printing it myself was proving challenging. Not so much the printing itself, but the trimming and binding. Online options would have taken too long, so…Staples.)

  • Randall

    Movie with the title. I don’t currently have TV so I have not seen the show and probably won’t. I’m kinda off Joss Whedon lately.

  • Lori

    Yay, you! That is so cool. I hope the birthday person truly appreciates it.

  • Jon Maki

    I fully anticipate that it will make her cry (in a good way).
    She tends to be the #1 fan of my artistic endeavors, especially when she’s the subject of them. She’s declared herself to be my muse, and she’s got a point. After all, I tend to be the #1 fan of her.

  • LoneWolf343

    Well, it would really depend on why he is a vegetarian. If he does it because he genuinely hates the taste of meat, then that would be mean. If he does it for his health, than I would say he’s a bit misguided, but it is still mean. If he does it for personal ethical reasons, then it is mean. If he does it to flaunt how special and awesome he is, and osterisizing, shaming, or otherwise assuaging a sense of superiority, then he is the mean one, and then it would be comeuppance.

    That’s the point here. The teetotalers in Christianity (for the most part) aren’t doing it for personal reasons. They’re inventing another reason to place themselves above “the others.” It’s not about alcohol with them; it is about pride.

  • LoneWolf343

    Yeah, the key word being “informed.” This isn’t about allergies or something like that. It is about pride. I’m not denigrating your condition in any way (I looked it up, and apparently “alcohol intolerance” is real enough to warrent a listing at the Mayo Clinic’s website,) but the alcohol is just a MacGuffin here. Substitute “dancing” or “worldly entertrainment” for “alcohol,” and the attitude the original poster is describing remains the same, a haughtiness reinforced by bad theology.

  • dpolicar

    I don’t disagree.

    But, as you say, the key word is “informed.”

    Putting alcohol in food, not telling people, and giggling behind their backs is difficult to reconcile with that, regardless of how foolish those people are.

    I hadn’t realized alcohol intolerance was Officially A Thing, though… I should look that up. (The last time I tried was like a decade ago, and I couldn’t find anything. I like living in the future.) Thanks!

  • dpolicar

    That’s a cogent position and you articulate it well. Thank you for that.

    That said, my own position is different.

    If I reject treating Sam a certain way because it is a mean way to treat someone, I would say I ought not suddenly start endorsing it when I discover Sam is a mean person.

    Calling it comeuppance doesn’t change that.

  • Jon Maki

    Picked up my printed copies! I couldn’t get glossy paper, but they still look great.
    Giddy Jon is giddy.

  • Lori

    I’m so glad it turned out well. Your giddiness is well-deserved.

  • Jamoche

    There’s also licensing issues – who gets paid when a character they created gets used in another media is a complicated situation that keeps lawyers in business.

  • Jamoche

    Top-secret semi-magic medical tech.

    I do love how Joss uses tech that’s just one step beyond what we’ve got – I just backed a kickstarter for a 3-d scanning device that attaches to iOS devices. OK, so it doesn’t float around the room, but still.

    I also call my 5-computer 6-monitor (2 shared) configuration here in my office the “full Tony Stark setup”. I want his computers *so bad*.

  • Jim Roberts

    I get the whole high-tech approach, but it’s pretty clear that this is more than just, “We used a PC to save his life and Coulson’s totally an Apple guy.”

  • Isabel C.

    I was wondering why I kept getting a buzz from cherries jubilee! (Lightest lightweight ever, here.)

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    I suspect there is always some left behind because it has to boil as an azeotrope when it hits 95% effective concentration.

    Brain fart. Actually this is wrong.

    Cooking with venting acts like distillation. Ethanol is the more volatile component so it boils first, and so the concentration in the water in the food goes down, not up.

    I blame being distracted. :P

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    There is peppermint in some mouthwashes; wines have various nonalcoholic organics that lend flavor.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    Ask for a scratch test and have them dab some on your hand/arm, then they’ll shut up. (If you don’t mind the inflammation on your arm, that is.)

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    It’s known that some Asians and Aboriginals cannot metabolize alcohol as efficiently, but I live in a part of Canada where it’s useful to know this, is why I even know.

  • Isabel C.

    I would, but I also don’t make any bones about being mean when I think it’s justified. I have lines I won’t cross, but there are absolutely things I’ll do to people who suck that I’d never do to a friend or a stranger.

  • http://apocalypsereview.wordpress.com/ Invisible Neutrino

    The Pope should excommunicate himself. (spot the Revolution reference…)

    Warning: TVtropes link. :)

  • Launcifer

    In that case, here’s a pie made of hugs! And congratulations, of course.

  • Isabel C.

    Yep. A couple non-culturally-Christian friends asked me to explain the different Protestant denominations, and I also mentioned that–at least in my parents’ generation in the New England to Mid-Atlantic area–there was some economic association.

    Catholics are working-class. (Sometimes, especially in Boston, a local makes good.) Presbytarians/Methodists/Congregationalists are Respectable Middle-to-Upper-Class*.
    Lutherans are Respectable Working-to-Middle Class with Casseroles. And Jello.
    Episcopalians are Old Money.
    Baptists are Southern, Any Class, Also With the Casseroles.
    Everyone else is Weird.

    *Dad, who’s lapsed Presby on sin: “We don’t have sins. We have Things that Aren’t Done.”

  • http://web.me.com/czedwards/CZEdwards/Blog/Blog.html C.Z. Edwards

    The line from the film is “Phil Coulson died still believing in that idea.” So yes, Nick Fury says he’s dead. (I had the film running background this afternoon and just checked.)

    I note Nick Fury’s similarity to The Doctor: Rule 1: He lies.

  • Guest

    Actually the “long established denominations” (the mainline churches): the Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists, certain kinds of Presbyterians, etc. have been pretty effectively marginalized by the Evangelicals and Fundamentalists.

  • Turcano

    The thing about “liberty” is that it means different things to different people. The religious right takes its notions of liberty from the Puritans.

  • stardreamer42

    NOT a good idea, about any ingredient. Food sensitivities exist, and they cause real problems.

    I’ve dropped people from my social circle for feeding me something with an ingredient they know I dislike and then saying, “If you didn’t know it had X in it, then you wouldn’t know you weren’t supposed to like it.” And for me that’s just surprise-it-tastes-bad, not surprise-I’m-going-to-the-hospital. So my response to statements like yours tends to be “FOAD, asshole.”

  • stardreamer42

    NO IT DOES NOT depend on why he’s a vegetarian. It depends on RESPECTING PERSONAL AUTONOMY. Stop digging before you get to China.

  • stardreamer42

    I tend to think of it as meaning “not one of those hate-filled extremist churches”. Because I think it is used that way as an othering tactic by said hate-filled extremist churches.

  • Nick Gotts

    I was recently prescribed a course of metronidazole for an infection, and warned not to take any alcohol, including food cooked with wine or beer, on pain of highly unpleasant sickness.

  • Nick Gotts

    See also my comment about metronidazole above. There are quite a few medications with which any alcohol is strongly contraindicated. Of course, anyone on such medications should ask, but not to warn people is grossly irresponsible.

  • arcseconds

    Excellent! It’s quite clear to me that all teetotallers, vegetarians, ethical shoppers and people who won’t eat ponies are all holier-than-thou special snowflakes who are just doing it to garner attention and have their way with people, so when I serve up my vodka slave-farmed horse special, I always swear it’s soy.

  • Isabel C.

    Well, “died” and “stayed dead” are two different things, as Whedon has played with before.

  • Isabel C.

    I liked it for the most part (and provisionally love Sleepy Hollow, though I have the sideeye ready in case it takes a sharp turn into ERMEGERD FREHDERM, because American Revolution plus Fox is ominous) but “Skye” (pfft) bugged the living shit out of me and my co-watching friend.

    Which is sort of ironic, because in the RL parallel, I think we’re both on her side–and might have been so in show if they’d gotten a face for that side which wasn’t quite so…freshman. (“Ugh. Fine, just…BE nineteen then. But go do it elsewhere.”)

  • Alix

    1. How do you know for certain what their reasons are?

    2. Why does it matter? If they don’t want it in their body, they don’t want it in their body. If they get snotty and holier-than-thou later about it, there are ways to take them down a peg that don’t involve tricking people into ingesting things they don’t want ingested.

    People thinking they ~know~ when folks are being holier-than-thou about food choices are why my best friend won’t go to most coffee shops anymore. One too many people decided “soy milk, please” was her rubbing her veganism in their faces.

  • Alix

    A sign of how loopy I am today: I initially read the hyphen as a divider between two phrases (thanks, sis, for your weird typing quirks making it hard to parse normal punctuation!) and so I was sitting here wondering what a “vodka slave” was. >.>

    …It took me three passes to figure out what you meant. >.< I think I need to go to bed.

  • g

    It doesn’t look to me as if that recipe is actually Lewis’s — isn’t it merely inspired by Lewis’s tastes?

  • glendanowakowsk

    Yes, exactly. Mock people mercilessly, but do NOT fuck with their food.

  • Alix

    The other thing is, not eating something for a long time/never eating something can mean you have a lower tolerance for it. (This is most obvious with things like alcohol and spicy foods, but I have a friend who hasn’t eaten meat in so long she can’t tolerate more than a small amount.) So even if the person really is a holier-than-thou asshole, if they really keep to their strictures they may not be able to handle something even if they’re not technically allergic/intolerant.

    I’d rather err on the side less likely to cause bodily harm to people, when all is said and done.

  • tricksterson

    AFAICT “mainline Protesant” nowadays at least seems mostly to be used by the media and by evangelicals presicely to make them sound elitist as opposed to supposedly grassroots, working class, salt-of-the-earth evangelicals. My own experience is that the lines, social and economic are a lot less clear cut than that in both directions

  • tricksterson

    Anyone else amused that Clayman is citing, among others, Ghandi (Hindu, at least nominally) the Egyptian protesters (aside from the Copts, every bit as Muslim as those they’re protesting against), Franklin (deist) and Jefferson (deist) as role models?


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