Sex Reassignment Surgery For Children? Two Words… CHILD ABUSE.

… And here are two more; medical malpractice. But mostly, child abuse.

From Daily Mail, an old article that is getting a lot of circulation in social media right now but is still vile and horrific; The Little Boy Who Started A Sex Change At Eight Years of Age Because His Lesbian Parents Always Knew He Wanted To Be A Girl

The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.

Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel [the lesbian parents] warn that children with gender identity disorder forced to postpone transitioning could face a higher risk of suicide.

I suppose his loving parents didn’t read the research indicating the much higher risk of suicide in individuals after sex reassignment surgery.

From a Swedish Study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

The simple fact is, sex reassignment surgery does not cure gender dysphoria. That’s because it is a physical treatment for a psychological problem. The proper response to a child threatening genital mutilation is “psyche evaluation STAT”, not “Quick! Grab the scalpel and hormone therapy drugs”!

The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three – because of a speech impediment – was, ‘I am a girl’.

At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he began transitioning. This summer, he started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.

Two things strike me here.

One, he expressed this desire at three. THREE! When my son was three he wanted to be a sea monster. I didn’t take him to a cosmetic surgeon and have gills slit into his throat for shit’s sake.

Secondly, of course he said he wanted to be a girl. Is it really that shocking? He is being raised by two lesbians, after all, with no immediate male role models in his life. He was the odd man out in the family and was expressing a desire to fit in. He wanted to be able to identify with someone, and sadly his someone was two lesbians. What other options, based on his limited and short life experiences did he have to chose from? I mean, honestly.

My heart breaks for this little boy and the problems he is going to face all because his parent’s let a three year old dictate the decision. What other responsible parents do you know that let their child makes these kinds of life long decisions? “Tammy” may be eleven now, but still. Kids three, eight, or eleven, are completely incapable of understanding long term consequences. They cannot comprehend forever, and changing your sex surgically and with hormones is forever.

Quite frankly, the fact that “Tammy’s” parents indulged this whim, probably because it makes them the cool kids in the gay group, should have alerted red flags for child protective services. Why this is being celebrated and not condemned as child abuse blows my mind. This is negligence. This is evil. This is sexual exploitation of a child and should anger you. Plainly, this is child abuse.

Other things you must read; Sex Change Surgery is the New Pre-frontal Lobotomy and a Trendy Form of Child Mutilation and Sex Change Regret.

PS- I also think those youtube videos of little girls dancing and lipsyncing to Ke$ha is child abuse. What ever happened to maintaining and protecting the innocence of children? I swear.

/end rant.

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  • hotboogers

    At 3, how does he even know the difference between boy and girl? If he had siblings … ok, but he doesn’t. Oh wait, does that mean … nvm. Icky.

  • TheodoreSeeber

    Hmmm….Lesbian parents who have rejected men in their own lives, raising a boy who threatens genital mutilation and says he wants to be a girl, and the lesbian relationship is supposed to have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT?!?!?!?

    Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

    • Marcus Zottola

      There is nothing to indicate that they “rejected men in their own lives.” Do you really think that lesbian parents don’t take kids out to playgrounds where men are? Unless lesbian parents are absolute shut-ins, the child will be exposed to plenty of male models in one manner or another.

      It’s not necessarily a bad idea to consider whether having lesbian parents will have an effect on the child’s psyche or gender-identification, but it’s highly doubtful said child will get no exposure to the other sex.

      • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

        They aren’t about to present those role models as positive. I’ve heard how lesbian feminists talk about men.
        And by “rejected men in their own lives” I mean romantically, sexually, and as partners in this game called life- which is kind of implied by them being LESBIAN.

        • Marcus Zottola

          Have you actually spoken to any of them though? Or just taken the word of others? I KNOW lesbians and my girlfriend is bi. Neither of them has bad-mouthed men in any sense except the tendency of some to demonstrate sexism. And before you say that it biases my views, let me assure you that I’ve questioned the practices of certain members of the movement before, even to the point of frustrating my girlfriend. I’m naturally skeptical, and I’m still not seeing the evidence of this “hatred for men.” I’m sure it exists–there are always going to be extremists in all movements–but I doubt it’s the norm.

          Also, thank you for clarifying what you meant by “rejected men in their own lives.” I appreciate it.

          • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

            Behind every lesbian- is an abusive male.

          • Marcus Zottola

            All of them eh? You’ve MET all of them? Or any of them? I’m not trying to be a jerk; I’m just showing how generalized your statement is. It’d be like saying behind every black activist is a white plantation owner.

            Well, if that’s your opinion, I’ll respect it. I disagree quite adamantly, but like I said before, it’s not bad to question these things, especially if they’re taken as gospel by people.

          • http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber

            Well, yes. It is generalized. But then again, homosexuality invites generalization as it destroys the dignity of the individual and sublimates it to merely a function of sexual orientation.

            Of course, so do several other sexual disorders, such as pornography.

  • Lisa Twaronite

    I’m fascinated by cases like this, because I truly tried to raise my kids as gender-free as I possibly could. I don’t know if her parents have made the right choice, but no matter what, I wish this little girl as happy a life as I would wish any child.

    There are more details in the CNN article: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids

    • Nan

      Here’s a tip; gender is a fact of biology. Your child is either male or female. Gender free is impossible.

      • Alice

        No, that is their sex, not their gender. Their sex is their reproductive organs. Their gender is “the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex.”

        • Lisa Twaronite

          Exactly, Alice. I have two biological boys and a girl, but they all wore the same clothes and played with the same toys — to a point. It wasn’t their sex organs that determined which one is the most aggressive basketball player, and which one is the best cook who likes to nurture small animals.

          • mike

            Lisa you are a sad, and dysfunctional parent. Transgender and gender free is the destruction of all the evolution of man has provided.

            The proverbial evolutionary leap backwards is when we all start growing towards gender free living and reproductive harming life-styles.

            It is a true disgrace to the human species, and people of proper intellect would agree. Else you’re someone who’s opinion is palatable to only the ignorant amongst you.

          • LisaTwaronite

            Ha, you’ve got to be kidding. I’m a ” a sad, and dysfunctional parent” because I dressed my kids in gender-neutral clothes and let them share toys? This makes me a “true disgrace to the human species?”
            If I were truly the biggest threat to mankind, then the species would have nothing to worry about. But alas, there are far bigger problems facing the world, and I spend my time worrying about those.

          • mike

            I said disgrace, people like you hardly pose any real threat to mankind when you’re a minority of a minority. However if there are enough people who think as stupidly as you do someday…. Maybe.

            Yeah, this reminds me. The fact that you’d let your kids cross-dress is not only plain stupid, but the fact you post on websites saying so claiming it’s “gender-neutral”, although it’s letting them dress in gender specific clothes and share gender specific toys, just goes to show the plain ignorance gushing from your fingertips.

          • LisaTwaronite

            Mike! Thank you for giving me my laugh of the day! I almost wet my pants, I am laughing so hard at your comments.

            You’re very funny. You really ought to sign them with your real last name, as I do — what’s that? You want to be anonymous? Aw, what a shame.

            Sorry for misunderstanding that you think people like me are a threat — I guess I read too much into ” gender free is the destruction of all the evolution of man has provided.”

            I let my little boy put pretty sparkly barrettes in his hair, and wear them to preschool once. And I’m not ashamed to say that, with my real name on my comment.

            What are YOU afraid of, Mike?

          • mike

            The embodiment of stupid. Putting your name out there for everyone to see isn’t a bright idea either, Lisa. As for the name mike, i chose it as a cover because it was the first i could think of to comment on something to do with Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson having a feud.

          • LisaTwaronite

            Not just my name — my photo, too.
            Why stupid?
            I’m not ashamed. Why are you?

          • mike

            Who said anything about shame when people out there could be making fun of you and the way you look this very… oh. Sad you didn’t realize that.

            Anyways you really ought to keep off the Internet as a potentially elderly looking individual.

          • mike

            *elderly moments may increase amount of unsociable Internet idiocy*

          • LisaTwaronite

            Oh, Mike, now your immaturity is showing, just a wee bit. Do your parents know you’re using their computer?

            I’m not ashamed of what I say, or my appearance, or whether people make fun of me or not. It’s a great way to live. You should try it.

          • mike

            My parents are dead, have been for a couple years. As for my face, it’s up on allot of billboards and forums. I recommend looking up Powerbot and reading the random’s section of their forums.

          • mike

            I’m also getting bored of using proper grammar, the fact is you’re a newfag to the interwebz.

          • LisaTwaronite

            If your parents are indeed dead, then I am truly sorry for your loss (and it does make it a bit bizarre, that you think calling someone “elderly” is a put-down).

            I know a bit about “the interwebz.” I know enough to put my name on all my comments on it, everywhere, because I’m not ashamed of anything I say here, or anywhere.

            Again — why are you so ashamed that you need to use a “cover” name?

          • mike

            it’s not shame, it’s the fact i have no use for the program i am on with the exception of using it to talk to you.

            Also Elderly can be an insult when it wants to be.

          • LisaTwaronite

            It sure looks like shame to me, or you would have signed on with your real name. Why are you hiding?

          • mike

            well this was a lovely conversation, but i believe i’m not truly hiding as i’m also not here anymore.

          • LisaTwaronite

            I wish you, and all trolls everywhere, peace.

        • Mudz

          Sex is a fact of biology. Gender is associated with sex.

          So, that basically makes no difference?

  • DeAlana

    Being gay or transgender is a subject you know nothing about and yet you choose to speak non-sense about being transgender as if you understand what it’s like to know your body does not match your soul. the pain inwhich transgender people live is beyond anything you have experienced in your life. To Transgenders the fact that science can help us to fix the broken parts and help us feel as a whole person is way above your level of comprehension and you don’t have the right to suggest we can’t have our happiness. your beliefs deny everyone’s right to be who they are as individuals and if the catholic church had it’s way, you would condone another senseless act of genocide and point your judgmental finger at God, saying he told us to handle it this way. earlier this year Pope Benedict praised the Ugandan parliament for concidering the “Kill the gays” bill, essentially stating to the world the Catholic church condones genocide, perpitrated upon another you don’t understand and never will. Gender is not determined by physical body parts, nor do those body parts dictate sexuality. You say we chose to be transgender or gay, really? did you wake up one morning and say to yourselves; gee I think I’ll choose my gender and sexual orientation today, I want to be……Cis-gender-Hetrosexual. NO I THINK NOT. I realize you’re all still adolecent souls, but it’s time to pull your heads out of the book and start thinking for yourselves. God does NOT condone hatred and violence against anyone, so it’s time for all of you to prove to God and the rest of the world that you are capable of true compassion and unconditional LOVE. God doesn’t want you to speak for him, nor spending your life living by the ancient rhetoric written by those long past. you are not living in the present if your thoughts are controlled by the past. It’s time for the human race to grow up and stop living this childish game. Life is far too precious to continue running this reckless course. Keep in mind; Hatred is like a boomerang, it always returns to the thrower, creating illness and despair. Hatred WILL destroy your life and well-being. Think long and hard about what I’m saying, don’t just act in haste and write something that will just make you look bad.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      Thank you for assuming I know nothing on the subject. You are incorrect. The subject is very near to my family and deeply personal. In fact I know more on the subject than you apparently know about Catholicism and Benedict.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

    Oh my. Poor thing. Please review my comment policy and try again. There’s this thing called intelligent discourse where you state exactly what you find objection, instead of lazily resorting to name calling, and then I can respond to your objections.

    I’ll let you try again one more time.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

    Personally, I am not, but that does not mean I have no experience in the matter.

    • Eugene Edward Yeo

      But if you AREN’T something, how can you know ANYTHING about it? After all, I’m not a number… which would explain the state of my cheque book.

      • mike

        i’m not a number either, needless to say I assume from your comment that I would possibly be much more fortunate than you are.

        • Eugene Edward Yeo

          Can you say that a different way, please? I don’t understand.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

    How do these puberty blockers effect their cerebral development? My biggest concern is that at this age children’s mind are still developing.

    • Noor

      They probably have no major effects on cerebral development. They have been used for a long time to stop precocious puberty and no major side effect has been reported but we can’t be sure.The main problem in studying GID is that it’s a rare condition.It’s difficult to determine the outcomes of therapies.

      • Eugene Edward Yeo

        For so rare a condition, I’ve been seeing it pop up more and more, and when I see it it tends to be in the adopted children of gay couples. This concerns me a great deal.

        • Noor

          Stories such as this usually grab media’s attention because they are unusual and rare. This story is actually an old one and I don’t know why it started circulating again.
          I’ve never noticed a connection between gay parenting and transsexualism.Do you have any evidence supporting your claim?

          • Eugene Edward Yeo

            I do, but it’s nothing that a quick “google” search won’t show. On a side note, I was *very* sad that my “pink shirt” comment wasn’t the one being replied to.

          • mike

            yeah, it’s called the fucking story you just commented on genius.

  • Mudz

    When I was a three year old or so lad, I wanted mum to get me the Minnie Mouse backpack instead of the Mickey Mouse. Unbeknownst to my mother, that’s because I had a baby crush on Minnie. I’m glad she didn’t draw any odd conclusions and start buying me pink clothes.

  • Eugene Edward Yeo

    … my very favourite dress shirt is salmon. And, as I am in fact a man, this means that my very favourite dress shirt is pink.

  • $22605128

    Pretending delaying puberty will not have any effect should the kid ‘realize’ he wants to be a boy is dishonest at best. The longer it is delayed the less change will actually occur if the hormone blockers are ceased, in which case you will end up with a man with a child’s genitalia which WILL be just as traumatic as any other bad outcome.

    • Marcus Zottola

      “…you will end up with a man with a child’s genitalia which WILL be just as traumatic…”

      Perhaps I’m not reading your comment correctly, but based on what you just said, if a boy ends up with a smaller penis, he is less of a man. This is the EXACT sort of nonsense we need to counteract. If it ends up being traumatic, it will be for the same reasons that being transgender ends up being traumatic: PEOPLE will treat him/her like @&#$ for being different. Based on your statement, the prescription for this problem is to make the child more like most other children instead of encouraging diversity and tolerance. Sorry, but this is America, and being distinct and different is what freedom is all about.

      If you wanna push the idea that having smaller genitalia makes you less of a man, go ahead. Meanwhile, I’m gonna stick to not judging a book by its cover.

  • Marsha Mireles

    You only see the photo that this particular site wanted to show you to represent how they want you to see this story. Do you look elated in every photograph?

  • mike

    Any person(s) PUSHING re-assignment surgery on their children, are nothing more than pedophiles at best.

    CNN got some facts right, but in all seriousness 3 year old can’t understand sex. Aeva S’ claims to even remember anything from childhood is bullsh*t and the utter fact that re-assignment surgery of your genitalia is something pushed as an anti-depressant and an outlet for suicidal tenancies is an outright lie as several hundred re-assigned patients this year have killed themselves regardless of the gender they’ve transitioned to.

    This shames the gay community, and it shames the human species. You aren’t special because you’ve destroyed your genitalia, you’re an under-developed individual with a lack of oxygen to the brain.

  • mike

    Being transgender is about as significant to the human race as being a castrated male. Non-productive in bringing forth offspring, and counter productive towards the people that should and could by informing them they might have a choice due to a feeling. They don’t have a choice, like you, these kids need council of their elders and peers more than genital mutilation and appearance changes.

    The gay and transgender movement is the most unproductive, and counter-intuitive movement i’ve ever witnessed. And the thing is they think it’s civil rights to be gay and transgender, it’s not. Civil rights were made to protect against slavary. I don’t see a gay person working on a cotton farm with no pay nor benefits.

    • Marcus Zottola

      Civil rights were put in place by the Bill of Rights, which was put in place at the beginning of this country. What you’re thinking of is the EXPANSION of civil rights to blacks and slaves, and also, slavery technically ended long before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was made law. In a land of the free, it is the right of people to do as they please so long as they don’t infringe on the rights of others. Far as I can tell, that’s not happening as a result of gay activism. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

  • mike

    nope, she looks pretty miserable to me. maybe it’s the sun, or the whole genitalia thing.

  • mike

    the fact that an innocent child has anything to do with genital manipulation by adults is wrong by that very wording.

    Prove me wrong with something other than “suicide risk”.

    • Dale

      Huh? Genital manipulation by adults” What exactly are you referring to? From the news articles, it doesn’t appear that any child’s genitals are being touched, let alone manipulated.

    • Marcus Zottola

      Did you actually read what Dale wrote? The child PROFESSED to be a woman at three, whereupon the parents CORRECTED him, and he repeated that he was a girl. Then four years went by with–as far as we can tell–no coercion on the part of the two parents, and Tommy/Tammy threatened to mutilate herself. Then the child went to COUNSELING to determine what the issue was, and then, at 11–which is EIGHT years after professing to be a girl–the child went on hormone blockers. Based on what we’ve been told–and to be fair we might not be getting the whole story–they behaved in a responsible fashion, only choosing to do something so drastic after EXTENSIVE therapy and under EXTREME circumstances.

      Also, it’s not “genital manipulation,” it’s “genital mutilation.” “Manipulation” implies there was inappropriate sexual conduct on the part of the women, something to the effect of molesting or castrating “him.” It was the CHILD who threatened genital mutilation.


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