The Evangelicals Were Correct: God Wanted Trump

God wanted Trump to expose the dark, decayed underbelly of Evangelicalism so real cleansing and healing can take place. 


God chose Trump in the same way God gave life to AdamSince the beginning of the Trump era, I’ve wondered about the insistence on the part of the Evangelical world that God wanted Trump to be our President.

Suddenly, with the whole Roy Moore fiasco surfacing (did you know he was banned from a mall because of his persistent cruising for teenaged girls?), it started to make sense.

God wanted Trump, all right, but not for the reasons the Evangelicals think.

God wanted Trump, a man with no moral center, so that we could all see the depths of degradation that US society now not only tolerates but celebrates.

God wanted Trump, an admitted sexual predator, so that women would finally start speaking out about the never-ending harassment we face no matter where we go.

God wanted Trump, a white-supremacist, so that the previously semi-hidden neo-Nazi movement would be emboldened enough to show its true colors.

God wanted Trump, whose primary goal is amassing vast amounts of wealth, to show us the emptiness of a life centered on financial greed.

God wanted Trump, a man who trumpets his ignorance, to display the sadness of a closed-in, unimaginative, incurious mind.

God wanted Trump, a man readily bought with others’ wealth, to appoint Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education so we as a nation could once again see how vital our public school system is.

God wanted Trump, a man with no respect for scientific rigor and inquiry, so that we might all recognize the folly of ignoring the science of climate change.

God wanted Trump, who because of his sexual history has more than likely funded his share of abortions, to make it clear to the world that pro-birth and pro-life are two entirely different things.

Pro-birth ensures that, no matter how horrific the circumstances of conception or the effect of the health of the woman, a baby is born, and then takes no responsibility after that point. Pro-life fights intensely for the health and long-term well-being of the mother AND the child.

God wanted Trump, a man who has never asked God for forgiveness, to so align with the Religious Right that few will ever again recognize their leaders as having spiritual authority. For the most part, these old white men have condemned the Evangelical world, once a vibrant and hopeful community, to an ignominious death.

God wanted Trump, a man who wants power above all, to fully expose the lust for power that has permeated and corrupted Evangelicalism. This lust stands in direct opposition to every single thing the Bible teaches.

I don’t mean this as a blanket condemnation for all who populate that part of Christian thinking. Many in the Evangelical world are rightly horrified by what is happening. But God wanted Trump to expose that dark, decayed underbelly so real cleansing and healing can take place.

Will the US survive as a democracy as this amoral man with extreme autocratic tendencies continues to consolidate power and undermine the Constitutional basis of our shared life? Very likely not.

But God is not particularly interested in whether the US makes it or not. God is interested in shedding light upon the darkness of the human soul so we may move toward genuine repentance and life change.

Trump has done us all a favor: he has shown us who we are.

Yes, God wanted Trump, but not for the reasons the Evangelicals claim.


Photo By Jörg Bittner Unna – Own work, CC BY 3.0, modified by Christy Thomas


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  • Bill Mantis

    I wish Christy Thomas were correct in her analysis, but I fear she is not.

    The one thing we know for sure about the Evangelical community is that they are completely divorced from reality. Their attitudes about an individual for whom they voted in overwhelming numbers will not be altered by any evidence that occurs in the real world and that is reported in the reality-based media.

    The larger question is whether or not reality will have any effect on the attitudes of congressional Republicans. The evidence is still out, but it is not very promising so far.

    Back in the real world, Republican senators are approving the appointment of young, conservative, and wholly unqualified judges to lifetime positions in the federal courts. The credibility of the federal justice system will be eroded even further and at a faster pace.

    If God really did want Trump, then He must have wanted to punish the entire country for reasons that are not immediately apparent to us. And He wanted that punishment to last for a long time.
    An all-knowing and all-loving God?

    I don’t think so.

    • Obscurely

      I didn’t read the post literally as God wanting Trump as a counter-example, but as a brilliant polemical/prophetic manifesto of the progressive church.

      • Bill Mantis

        Yes, of course I realized the tone was ironic, and I welcome any attempts to advance the progressive agenda.
        I was also trying to raise a question you progressive Christians seem to ignore: namely, how is it that different adherents to the same faith, whose morals are supposedly informed by the same holy scriptures, can come to such different, disparate moral conclusions? Are you progressives misreading the Bible, or are the Evangelicals? Or, maybe, if the Bible admits to such divergent moralities, wouldn’t it be better to look elsewhere for moral guidance? The Secular Humanist Manifesto, for example?

        • Obscurely

          Great question! — could you give me a couple of examples of ‘disparate moral conclusions’ among Christians?

          • Bill Mantis

            I’m glad you asked. This is a link to Vance Morgan’s blog, where we’ve been discussing related issues. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/freelancechristianity/evangelical-atheism/. And this is an excerpt that gives you a number of examples:
            “On the great moral questions of the day, Christians find themselves all over the map. When, if ever, is an abortion permissible? Assisted suicide? The death penalty? Using deadly force to protect oneself or one’s property? Stem cell research? The use of “artificial” birth control? Interracial marriage? Homosexual marriage? Adoption of a child by a gay couple?
            Do people have a moral right to medical care? To contraception and family planning services? To access to a morning after pill? To a living wage job? To housing? To food? To unpolluted air and water? To equal pay for equal work?
            Is animal cruelty immoral? Is refusing to take action against climate change immoral? Refusing to take action to preserve animal habitat and to prevent extinctions of animal and plant species? Refusing to take action to prevent genocide? Excluding women or gays from the priesthood? Administering physical punishment to a child? Forcing a spouse to have sex?
            Fundamentalist Christians would answer many of these questions almost exactly the opposite of the way Quakers would. Is one of the two Christian denominations better informed than the other as to God’s moral priorities? Are both misinformed? Most importantly, why would God be so careless in making his priorities clear to his followers? Especially when a lack of clarity might spell the difference between their spending eternity in Heaven rather than Hell.

          • Obscurely

            Humbling examples, sir! but don’t secular folks disagree over many of these same issues? For example, Democrats and Republicans disagree over whether health care is a human right, and atheists could disagree over whether a human life begins at conception? So I don’t think mere moral disagreement is grounds for rejecting any given worldview, whether religious or not …

            My own understanding as a pastor of Christian faith’s role in ethical formation is that it awakens the moral conscience rather than giving us one-size-fits-all answers. Jesus offended the moral authorities of the day precisely because he emphasized the life-giving spirit of the moral law over its deadening letter.

          • Bill Mantis

            Yes, secular humanists will disagree over moral judgement calls, but the difference is, they have to reconcile their moral stances with the real-world implications of those stances. If you base your moral judgments on what you are SURE your God wants you to do, then you’ve immunized yourself from discussion or reason, right? Many times religions seem to give their devout adherents a confidence in their moral decisions that are wholly unjustified. For example, Roy Moore had a Ten Commandments monument installed in an Alabama courtroom and refused to remove it even when ordered to do so by the Alabama Supreme Court. Sunnis and Shias feel it is not just their moral right, but their moral obligation to blow up each other’s mosques. George W. Bush invaded Iraq in part, reportedly, because “God told him to.” And the funny(?) thing was that even the Pope could not persuade him otherwise.
            The question then becomes: Wouldn’t we all be better off if we ignored what we thought God wanted us to do and to base our moral decisions on what would be good for us individually and our fellow man?

          • Obscurely

            In another thread Dr. Vance Morgan replied to you thusly: “You seem to be committed to finding a “one size fits all” moral framework to impose on everyone in all circumstances. There is no such moral code. Human morality is far more complex (and interesting) than that.”

            WHY IS THAT BROTHER?

          • Obscurely

            Speaking the truth as I experience it always in LOVE, may I suggest it’s time to UP your game, brutha! … TO WIT — the higher sages among us have suggested that “God” is just our Name for the abstraction and exaltation of the eternal moral Voice within us … whence the Voice comes it matters not, what matters is that it sees, speaks and above all ACTS in the world …

          • Obscurely

            This is how the Christian sage and holy martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer explains the utter mootness of God as Chicken vs Egg …

            “I remember a conversation I had in America thirteen years ago with a young French pastor. We were asking ourselves quite simply what we wanted to do with our lives. He said he would like to become a saint (and I think it’s quite likely that he did become one). At the time I was very impressed, but I should like to learn to have faith. For a long time I didn’t realize the depth of the contrast. I thought I could acquire faith by trying to live a holy life, or something like it… I discovered later, and I’m still discovering right up to this moment, that it is only by living completely in this world that one learns to have faith. One must completely abandon any attempt to make something of oneself, whether it be a saint, or a converted sinner, or a churchman (a so-called priestly type!), a righteous man or an unrighteous one, a sick man or a healthy one. By this- worldliness I mean living unreservedly in life’s duties, problems, successes and failures, experiences and perplexities. In so doing we throw ourselves completely into the arms of God, taking seriously, not our own sufferings, but those of God in the world- watching with Christ in Gethsemane. That, I think, is faith; that is true conversion; and that is how one becomes a man and a Christian.”

    • jeanfor

      God is letting it happen….. so he has removed his protection.

  • Baby_Raptor

    If you honestly think god wanted Trump in charge and you still worship him then I have to question your morals. Your god WANTS the repeating harming of millions in hundreds of different ways.

    But hey, you do you. Don’t insult the rest of us in the process. This doesn’t “show me how I am.” I’ve been against Trump and the Right for years, long before the current presidency. All this “shows me about myself” is that I’m not a deity with reality warping powers.

  • Obscurely

    Certainly evangelicals who ignore Trump’s moral unfitness for office deserve the scorn this post heaps on them … at the same time the scorn should be balanced with compassion for people who are so convinced their religion and way of life is under cultural/political attack they will support pretty much anyone with the power to defend them.

  • Kurt T Simon

    Well said.

  • Reese

    I’m having trouble keeping my scorecard straight. Dear Thoughtful, please help reconcile:
    Teddy Kennedy, lots of women, one dead. God wanted that?
    John Conyers – 88 and still pinchin’? Blessed or possessed?
    Harvey Weinstein – still countin’ Did he keep kosher and avoid pork? He avoided little else!
    Bill Clinton, all those women. all those Lewinsky’s in the oval office. Cigar morals? Did God have to add pages?
    Hillary Clinton – Did God lead her to attack Willie’s “bimbos”?
    Al Franken – does God have a sense of humor? You think he’s laughin”?
    Poor ol’ Trump just laughed at grabbin’, but he can’t measure up to the Demogropes. How do you score it?
    ROFLMAO

    • Reese

      Oh, and on that global warming hoax, have you a comment on all those emails in Europe a few years back which indicated lies told by “scientists” in order to get GRANTS from governments? The “Helsinki Stinky”* Oh, Australia “scientists” just got caught fudging warming numbers. Let’s have a prayer for their forgiveness, padre! Who knew that “scientists” PhDs would lie in order to get free tax-payer money from governments?
      * NOV 23, 2011 @ 11:38 AM
      Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate

      James Taylor , CONTRIBUTOR
      I am president of the Spark of Freedom Foundation.
      Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
      Global warming ubx
      Image via Wikipedia
      A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

      Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

    • PedasiPaul

      whataboutism n. changing an inconvenient subject by bringing up opponent’s wrongdoing

      Now what about Roy Moore? Do you believe he is the innocent victim of nine lying women and assorted retired cops and other witnesses? Or do you think he’s probably guilty, but don’t care?

      • Reese

        I care, but after 38 years, my caring is tempered by “where ya’ been”? He’s run for election before, served in office lo these many years and all these claims were silent? And, how about all those marchin’ women with those silly (p*****) hats to protest Trump’s sexism? How come no marchers against Weinstein, Lauer, Franken and the liberal lot – seems like usual liberal hypocrisy to raise righteous indignation at those on the right, but ignore leftist transgressions!

        • PedasiPaul

          Democrats have called for the resignation of Conyers and Franken. Conyers announced his resignation today. Senate President McConnell said he believes the women accusing Moore. Is McConnell being hoodwinked?

          • Reese

            Well, maybe. He doesn’t seem that bright. But, he is not the issue. I am among those who cannot possibly know what might or might not have happened 38 years ago, but I know what must happen over the NEXT 38 months! That’s why Moore is the choice, to help #Make America Great Again. He will help cure the cancer of liberalism which was metastasizing in DC under Obama. He will help build that wall, build our military, and appoint conservative judges. He will choose capitalist directions over socialist mischief. All good things! Merry Christmas!

          • PedasiPaul

            If Moore’s accusers are telling the truth, then he is currently victimizing them again by calling them liars and pawns of fake news. Unless you are pretty confident they are all liars, then you risk electing someone of very low ethics today, not just 38 years ago, and expect him to do the right thing. I’m pretty sure you don’t think the women accusing movie stars, Weinstein, and Democratic pols are all lying.

            BTW, Franken announced today he will resign. As the Wall Street Journal put it, Democrats are getting rid of their stain, while Republicans are endorsing theirs.

          • Reese

            ROFLMAO! Bombshell: Roy Moore Accuser Beverly Nelson Admits She …
            Breitbart News
            1 hour ago
            Dec 08, 2017 · Beverly Nelson admits she forged a portion of the infamous high school yearbook used as proof of her accusations against Roy Moore.

            My comment: As Adam said about Eve, “These gals don’t always tell the truth!” Merry Christmas – we just got a big gift today!

          • PedasiPaul

            If you read the reports carefully, you find that Beverly Nelson states that she wrote only the date and place under Moore’s inscription. Fox News has revised its initial report on this matter to make clear that Nelson did not forge anything. In addition, a handwriting expert has confirmed that the signature is Moore’s. If the expert is correct, Moore did write and sign the inscription, while he denies ever knowing Nelson, much less signing her yearbook. Either Nelson or Moore is a vicious liar. In light of all this evidence, are you persuaded it’s the accuser, as well as all the other accusers and their family and friends who say the accusers told them about the incidents decades ago?

            Suppose for the sake of argument that incontrovertible evidence came out that Moore is lying? Would it change your vote?
            If the honest answer is no, then should the GOP stop calling itself the “Party of Family Values”?

          • Reese

            Nothing I can think of would make me change my vote from a conservative to a liberal. We are in a fight to save America from the Obama/Hillary legacy of socialism and corruption so that is my focus. Accusations which only now surface after 38 years are troubling, but pale compared to MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

          • PedasiPaul

            Thanks for your honest reply.

            What it reveals is that you support Moore even though you recognize he could be a pedophile who is now lying about all of his accusers. But it doesn’t matter, because you agree with his politics. I presume you’ve made the same calculation about Trump.

            t’s remarkable how Christians have abandoned their view, which they held strongly during the Clinton administration, that character matters in elected officials. it’s clear that character no longer matters, so long as you agree with the official’s politics. Moore is still a birther who says maybe Putin is right, and America’s best days were before the Civil War when slavery existed; perhaps those are political positions you agree with.

          • Reese

            get A major point in my life lessons to 3 daughters was to tell of any personal violations immediately. I taught that with the passing of time, accusations become less likely to be believed. Another life lesson was to watch the level of flirting because men, by nature, are always looking for “come on signals” and do not lead a man on past where you want him to go. My attitudes have not changed, I will never believe accusations which surface 38 years later. He has been thru many elections and much public view and these stories never came up, but then the lying Washington Post publishes the story, not an Alabama paper? And, in no case so far that I have heard, has one official police report in print surfaced – all those gals and not one of their daddies took them down to the police station to file a report? As the father of daughters, I can not believe that.
            So, then comes the dedication to undoing the mess left by that worthless socialist community organizer. Things are already getting better. I want my daughters and their children to have a capitalist country to prosper in and so I can hold my nose if need be.

          • PedasiPaul

            Most sexual assaults are not reported to police. That’s a fact. But that doesn’t mean they never happened, nor should it exonerate the perpetrators. ( I don’t think perps should get away scott free; does that make me a liberal?)

            To expect a 14-year old whose parents were divorcing at the time to go to police to accuse the Asst D.A. is a tad unrealistic IMO. BTW, many of Harvey Weinstein’s victims did not come forward until this year, even though the harrassment occurred decades ago, and they were adults when it happened, not 14 or 16. Yet the public has not assumed Weinstein therefore must be innocent. Sen. Franken’s first accuser referred to something that happened 12 years ago before he was in the Senate.

          • Reese

            This debate reminds me of debates I have had with my wife: each side has their own facts and there can never be either a winner or an agreement. Our marriage has lasted 40 years because I learned to say “whatever” and walk away – or, go to the golf course – so, you have a Merry Christmas.

  • PedasiPaul

    During the Clinton administration, evangelicals were adamant that character mattered in the White House. Recent polling reveals a dramatic change of evangelical opinion on that subject. Character no longer matters to them. Is it simply a partisan double standard? Or do they really think character is unimportant?