I’m speaking at the CIC tomorrow

No, not this CIC

I’m going to be doing a conversation at the DC Catholic Information Center tomorrow evening, so DC readers are invited to come out.  The discussion is titled “The Problem of Good” and you can find the details at the linked Facebook event.  There may be a podcast, I’ll let you know if one turns up.

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  • So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

  • Ted Seeber

    Wow- the Catholic Information Center is sponsored by Knights of Columbus. How will you ever survive a discussion in so much misogyny (not real misogyny of course- in America today that requires sado-masochistic tendencies and an adherence to a certain very non-Catholic fantasy/sci-fi genre, but rather the false misogyny of those who promote the culture of no-fault divorce, broken homes, and the sexual revolution like to think Catholics are for).

    • Ted Seeber

      Messed up, mixed up the Catholic Information Center with the Catholic Information SERVICE. Realized it while reading this month’s Columbia Magazine on the history of the Knights of Columbus.

    • Ted Seeber

      Also, the sci-fi I was thinking of was the submissive heroine genre- such as Edgar Rice Burroughs’ Mars novels.

  • Leonhard

    I’m trying to parse what Ted Seeber is saying. It reads like a jumble. I get the feeling that he’s trying to say that there’s a right kind of misogony, and a wrong kind of misogony… and that Battlestar Galactica is non-Catholic science fiction?

    Other than Wrinkle In Time, is there any “Catholic” science fiction? C.S Lewis space trilogy doesn’t count, and The Man Who Was Thursday isn’t science fiction.

    • deiseach

      Possibly Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson; it’s a dystopian apocalypse where the End of the World comes about between the AntiChrist and the Pope.

      • Nick

        I followed this link without very high expectations, but wow. That story was more profound than I thought it would be. I find it fascinating Catholicism really gets to some not through its truth but its fiction: just look at the effect A Canticle of Leibowitz has on certain people. I know someone who converted because of that book.

    • Alex Godofsky

      I’ve reread his post half a dozen times and I *think* I’ve managed to parse it. I think he’s saying that:

      1) “those who promote the culture of no-fault divorce, broken homes, and the sexual revolution” believe that a certain OTHER set of beliefs is misogynistic.
      2) This set of beliefs is held by the Knights of Columbus.
      3) This set of beliefs isn’t actually misogynistic; it is falsely labeled as mysogyny by the group in (1)

      Basically, I think he’s trying to criticize the “War on Women” meme.

    • Al DelG

      “A Canticle for Leibowitz” by Walter M. Miller, first publication 1960.

      • Ted Seeber

        Another *very* good example. Also _The Quest For Saint Aquin_ by Anthony Boucher.

    • Ted Seeber

      More that there is a right definition of misogyny (the hatred of women) vs the wrong definition of misogyny (saying that the genders of different, with different physiology, psychology, and talents; but equal in worth). The later definition only came into vogue since 1925 or so.

      Has nothing to do with Battlestar Galactica- and everything to do with the type of feminism that says that all heterosexual sex is rape.

      BTW, for Catholic Science Fiction- one need go no further than JRR Tolkien on the fantasy side, and GK Chesterton on the hard science fiction / detective story side. A very interesting comparison would be between Chesterton’s _A Man Called Thursday_ and Ray Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451_.

    • A Wrinkle in Time is catholic, in the sense that it was written by a Christian who was not a heretic. But Madeline l’Engle was an Episcopalian, not a Roman Catholic. She was very high-church, and had a very sacramental theology. But you can’t call her a Catholic unless you want to admit that we Episcopalians have valid Orders and are just as Catholic as you Romans.

  • Radson Deyves Coelho

    Conheça a nossa comunidade(Comunidade Católica Shalom): http://www.comshalom.org

  • Anon

    Hey…Hey…Guys….I am Cylon!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry I had to get my nerd out…Battlestar Galactica ftw!)

  • deiseach

    So how did the CiC thing go?

  • Cheese and Wine


    Speaking: Dude at CIC.

    I found out about St Ambrose and his baptism! He was requested by the laity to be their bishop, so unofficially ‘selected’ before he was baptized. However, he was baptized on November 30, and CONSECRATED bishop December 7 374. So in the end, it came down to a matter of wording!

    • leahlibresco

      Whew! A weight has been lifted!

  • mcewen

    I hope you have enjoyed your Journey so far. I have found it is not an event (sometimes avant) but a step by step path to knowledge built on rock.

    I remember a story of a two man race between the USA and another man from the Soviet Union.
    The New York Times reported; ”American comes in first, and the Soviets come in second.”
    Pravda reported; ”Soviet Union comes in second, and America comes in second to last.”

    Both are true. As Pilate said, ”What is truth?” So I look to the the Pope and the Bishops in Rome for the truth. And it has serviced me well. As it did for the Ethiopian in the chariot.

    At center of the Church is the Eucharist.

  • Paul Prescod

    Hey Leah: I have been checking in from time to time to see how your thinking evolves. I followed the link to the podcast.

    I found three things interesting:

    1. I have never heard a Christian speak so little about Jesus, the Resurrection, the Bible and so forth. After all of these months, I still do not know whether you believe in a literal and historical Resurrection.

    2. Among the things you listed as “axioms of the Catholic Church” there were virtually no overlap wih the Nicene creed which are generally considered the true axioms of Christianity.

    3. You compared the Catholic Church to a democracy where you stay and fight about what is right. But an organization lead by a sometimes-infallible human being is the farthest possible thing from a democracy. How do you, a woman, plan to “fight things out” and influence this church. Even the women who have dedicated their life to service (literally) have their theological arguments ignored (LCWR).

    I just cannot understand how a person with your independent mindset could possibly be happy in obedience to a man elected by a small group of other men, who were appointed by his predecessor.